Trade talks gone bad... (1 Viewer)

[purplehaze67]

Received this offer in a ZF league:

I give RhodesHe gives Carr, Gado, Jammer, Hamlin

I declined with the following message:

I don't mind moving Rhodes at all, but I really don't want to trade him for a bunch of "trash". Any chance you could do something with draft considerations instead?

His response:

First of all, I don't do very well with insults. Maybe a counterproposal would be a better strategy instead of saying "f**k you". I looked at your roster and tried to give you some serviceable players, but apparently you don't like my "trash". Rhodes isn't exactly a top tier player, so I'm not going to start with an offer of top tier talent. Negotiations are a little more than tossing insults my way

Thoughts?

 

[fruity pebbles]

you're the tool in this situation. a simple I'm not interested in any of those guys, how about this, would have sufficed.

 

[JohnnyU]

It's easier to attract bees with honey than with vinegar

 

[Warhogs]

I think that the truth is somewhere in the middle. If you seriously want to negotiate a trade you perhaps should not have called his offer trash. Rhodes after all currently looks to be in RBBC with Jordan probably getting most of the touches presently even though that could change. It would have been best to discuss if you had any interest in any of the players offered or suggest other players or picks you might have interest in. You might as well torch this deal away.

It is OK to differ player values but TRY (sometimes tough) to reply in a kind manner to someone you may want to trade with at some point in the future. Believe me there have been a lot worse responses tahn what you said. Sometimes things are just not meant to be.

I inquired if the Brandon Jacobs owner yesterday had any interest in Droughs who is my RB#6 in a league. He just said no. I think he has decent value so I will move on.

 

[purplehaze67]

Really guys? If Carr, Gado and Jammer aren't ZF league "trash" I don't know what is. None of those three would even be a decent bye-filler.

Maybe not the most diplomatic of terms, but seems to pretty accurately describe the situation. I did indicate that I would be up for a trade and made a suggestion about what I'd be more interested in, but he was to far over the edge due to the "t-word" to make it work, I guess.

I can only analyze this as if I was in the other guys shoes and if I were offering players of this caliber to another owner, I would have no problem with the other guy terming them "trash", especially in the context of attempting to re-work the deal.

I didn't call the other owner a name, or impugn him personally at all. Just didn't particularly value a list of players he offered to me. I was quite shocked at the nature of his response.

 

[JohnnyU]

Maybe not the most diplomatic of terms, but seems to pretty accurately describe the situation.

Describing the situation isn't always the smart thing to do. It's called society norms, which encompasses expected human behavior. If I see a fat ugly women walking down the street, should I tell her she is fat and ugly since it accurately describes the situation?

 

[Warhogs]

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I didn't call the other owner a name, or impugn him personally at all. Just didn't particularly value a list of players he offered to me. I was quite shocked at the nature of his response.

Apparently he was by your response too. I will admit that I have in the past responded in a similar manner. It is best to try to be more careful if you hope to trade with said team any time in the future.

 

[purplehaze67]

Maybe not the most diplomatic of terms, but seems to pretty accurately describe the situation.

Describing the situation isn't always the smart thing to do. It's called society norms. If I see a fat ugly women walking down the street, should I tell her she is fat and ugly since it accurately describes the situation?

Is that really a parallel situation? Did I go up to the guy unsolicited and force my opinion of these players on him out of the blue? Is there any difference at all between personally insulting someone and insulting some players someone owns on an FF team?

 

[JohnnyU]

Is there any difference at all between personally insulting someone and insulting some players someone owns on an FF team?

To some there isn't

 

[Bizkiteer]

You might think they are trash, but you shouldn't have said it. Plain and simple, when you disagree with your boss or are don't like what your hear during an interview, you don't start acting unprofessional or say something that you know will get a harsh response. You play the politically correct card because in the long run you will get the result you're looking for by doing so. Plain and simple, you shut the door before you even really got started.

BTW - There is nothing wrong with being polite.

 

[Keys Myaths]

you're the tool in this situation. a simple I'm not interested in any of those guys, how about this, would have sufficed.

Yep.You don't insult another person's offer if you want to go forward.People sometimes value players more or less than you do. That's no reason to talk like that.

 

[Slinger]

Tell the other owner to wear a tampon. Geesh.

 

[Warhogs]

Tell the other owner to wear a tampon. Geesh.

Thus opening the door for future trade discussions.

 

[purplehaze67]

You might think they are trash, but you shouldn't have said it. Plain and simple, when you disagree with your boss or are don't like what your hear during an interview, you don't start acting unprofessional or say something that you know will get a harsh response. You play the politically correct card because in the long run you will get the result you're looking for by doing so. Plain and simple, you shut the door before you even really got started. BTW - There is nothing wrong with being polite.

I for sure don't see a FF owner as being at the same level as a boss/interviewer. Certainly I am going to play the game when it comes the the person signing my checks. Not so much when it comes to a peer in FF. I am more of a shoot-from-the-hip, call-em-as-I-see-em type in this hobby. Not that I am going to call someone a moron or something but I can be blunt at times with player evaluations, especially with roster filler. Most of the time, the other guy has some ability to roll with that and get things done. Not here.Yeah, obviously I killed any possibility of making this trade and maybe ever dealing with this guy again. But if he is going to be that touchy, could be for the best. Doesn't seem like our styles/personalities are enough of a mesh to count on many productive trade talks.

 

[Pictus Cat]

What an opportunity to express your feelings.

Seems to be you didn't mean to offend, so just tell him.

Maybe include you like playing in the league with him and you hope you can look back on this and laugh.

Work it.

The biggist laugh I ever had in a trade offer was when some told me to foff.

 

[Keys Myaths]

You might think they are trash, but you shouldn't have said it. Plain and simple, when you disagree with your boss or are don't like what your hear during an interview, you don't start acting unprofessional or say something that you know will get a harsh response. You play the politically correct card because in the long run you will get the result you're looking for by doing so. Plain and simple, you shut the door before you even really got started. BTW - There is nothing wrong with being polite.

I for sure don't see a FF owner as being at the same level as a boss/interviewer. Certainly I am going to play the game when it comes the the person signing my checks. Not so much when it comes to a peer in FF. I am more of a shoot-from-the-hip, call-em-as-I-see-em type in this hobby. Not that I am going to call someone a moron or something but I can be blunt at times with player evaluations, especially with roster filler. Most of the time, the other guy has some ability to roll with that and get things done. Not here.Yeah, obviously I killed any possibility of making this trade and maybe ever dealing with this guy again. But if he is going to be that touchy, could be for the best. Doesn't seem like our styles/personalities are enough of a mesh to count on many productive trade talks.

That's fine, but you're only hurting yourself.Communication styles need to differ with people you're talking to. That's a fact of life. Some people respond better to your natural style, some need to be babied. If you want to shut doors, though, that's completely up to you.

 

[Orgazmo]

Doesn't seem like our styles/personalities are enough of a mesh to count on many productive trade talks.

You're not dating the guy, just dealing with him. No need to burn bridges when all it takes is a little tact.

 

[JohnnyU]

I for sure don't see a FF owner as being at the same level as a boss/interviewer. Certainly I am going to play the game when it comes the the person signing my checks. Not so much when it comes to a peer in FF.

There's your mistake. You feel like you can disrespect some stranger on the Internet because you don't have a personal relationship with him, but yet you expect a reasonable response from the individual you just insulted. All of us expect to be treated with respect regardless whether we know the other person or not. Having league mates that you've never met doesn't give anyone the right to treat them with less respect.

 

[comfortably numb]

Trash may have been "harsh", kinda depends on your relationship with this owner.

But am I the only one who thinks he should have jumped on that offer?

What exactly are peoples ceiling on Rhodes?

I think he is now the "trash" he goes from a:

-serviceable back who was in a great offense, to a team who is known for overpaying for mediocre atheletes.

-A horrible OL

-A horrible O

Just my 2 cents as I think Rhodes will be worthless this year, the only reason I would do the deal, is simply, you have a better chance of hitting with 4 as opposed to 1

 

[purplehaze67]

You might think they are trash, but you shouldn't have said it. Plain and simple, when you disagree with your boss or are don't like what your hear during an interview, you don't start acting unprofessional or say something that you know will get a harsh response. You play the politically correct card because in the long run you will get the result you're looking for by doing so. Plain and simple, you shut the door before you even really got started. BTW - There is nothing wrong with being polite.

I for sure don't see a FF owner as being at the same level as a boss/interviewer. Certainly I am going to play the game when it comes the the person signing my checks. Not so much when it comes to a peer in FF. I am more of a shoot-from-the-hip, call-em-as-I-see-em type in this hobby. Not that I am going to call someone a moron or something but I can be blunt at times with player evaluations, especially with roster filler. Most of the time, the other guy has some ability to roll with that and get things done. Not here.Yeah, obviously I killed any possibility of making this trade and maybe ever dealing with this guy again. But if he is going to be that touchy, could be for the best. Doesn't seem like our styles/personalities are enough of a mesh to count on many productive trade talks.

That's fine, but you're only hurting yourself.Communication styles need to differ with people you're talking to. That's a fact of life. Some people respond better to your natural style, some need to be babied. If you want to shut doors, though, that's completely up to you.

Yep. If he is so traumatized/angry/whatever that he never ever wants anything to do with me again, then I've lost one potential trading partner in one league. But if keeping that option open is going to require me to respond more like :

Great offer, those guys are all sweet but they just don't seem to fit so well on my team and I was really hoping you might consider some rework on this to include draft picks if it isn't too much bother. If not, no problem but regrettably I will have to decline your most generous proposal. Hope there are no hard feelings and please let me know if you want to talk trade in the future. Thanks.

Then I'll gladly "miss out" on future negotiations with this guy.

 

[S.K.A.]

So what exactly do you want from this thread? All you are doing is justifying what you did to anyone who disagrees with you. It is pretty obvious from the poll that you were mostly to blame here.

 

[purplehaze67]

I for sure don't see a FF owner as being at the same level as a boss/interviewer. Certainly I am going to play the game when it comes the the person signing my checks. Not so much when it comes to a peer in FF.

There's your mistake. You feel like you can disrespect some stranger on the Internet because you don't have a personal relationship with him, but yet you expect a reasonable response from the individual you just insulted. All of us expect to be treated with respect regardless whether we know the other person or not. Having league mates that you've never met doesn't give anyone the right to treat them with less respect.

My view here (and it seems I am the vast minority) is that I didn't say anything personally about him. Didn't insult, didn't disrespect. Had I said

Those guys are trash and you have to be a moron to even offer such a ridiculous trade. Get real, find a clue and come back when you learn how to trade, you *******ing *******!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sure, that would be more in line with what you are describing.. As far as I can see, I am guilty of being blunt on player assessments. But I really still don't see it bleeding over into the realm of a personal attack.And yes, a boss is in a position of hierarchical power over an employee. There is a degree of respect and decorum that comes with that relationship. Don't see that need at all in any sort of peer-to-peer situation.

 

[JohnnyU]

My view here (and it seems I am the vast minority) is that I didn't say anything personally about him. Didn't insult, didn't disrespect.

Again, another mistake. You calling his players "trash" is a form of disrespect no matter how you say it. I'm sorry if you can't see that. Obviously there's nothing I can say to make you see it, so I won't.

 

[purplehaze67]

So what exactly do you want from this thread? All you are doing is justifying what you did to anyone who disagrees with you. It is pretty obvious from the poll that you were mostly to blame here.

Trying to see if an offhand description of marginal players as "trash" is enough in most people's eyes to cause what happened. No problem that most agree. I admitted that "trash" was not the most diplomatic word in the world, but I did not think that it was so over-the-top as to warrant the follow-up I received. Is "trash" really the new equivalent to "f**k you"? I do chime in when people compare it to running up to strangers on the street and telling then they are fat and ugly, compare it to disagreeing with a work boss or ant a job interview or some other non-related offshoot. A trade talk in FF isn't the same as an audience with the Pope or an interview in the NY Post. I am not going to behave the same. If that cost me a certain % of trade options with people who need more decorum, then it's going to.

 

[BigJim®]

Saying his offered players aren't on par with Rhodes is accurately describing the situation. Calling his offered players trash is rubbing his nose in the situation. There's lots of room in the middle for appropriately blunt if that's your style, IMHO.

 

[purplehaze67]

My view here (and it seems I am the vast minority) is that I didn't say anything personally about him. Didn't insult, didn't disrespect.

Again, another mistake. You calling his players "trash" is a form of disrespect no matter how you say it. I'm sorry if you can't see that. Obviously there's nothing I can say to make you see it, so I won't.

Ok. Thanks for trying anyway. I will always maintain a line between the two. You can say whatever you want about any player on any of my teams. Call them any name you want as much as you want. I will be able to keep that separate in my own mind from being directed personally at me. I don't know any NFL player, and am totally fine with anyone's opinion of any of them. Seems that I am one of a very small minority here. I honestly did not realize that some people would have such an issue with it.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Received this offer in a ZF league:

I give RhodesHe gives Carr, Gado, Jammer, Hamlin

I declined with the following message:

I don't mind moving Rhodes at all, but I really don't want to trade him for a bunch of "trash". Any chance you could do something with draft considerations instead?

His response:

First of all, I don't do very well with insults. Maybe a counterproposal would be a better strategy instead of saying "f**k you". I looked at your roster and tried to give you some serviceable players, but apparently you don't like my "trash". Rhodes isn't exactly a top tier player, so I'm not going to start with an offer of top tier talent. Negotiations are a little more than tossing insults my way

Thoughts?

I think when you open up the emails to most of your trade offers...that face you have as your avatar says it all.

 

[purplehaze67]

Received this offer in a ZF league:

I give RhodesHe gives Carr, Gado, Jammer, Hamlin

I declined with the following message:

I don't mind moving Rhodes at all, but I really don't want to trade him for a bunch of "trash". Any chance you could do something with draft considerations instead?

His response:

First of all, I don't do very well with insults. Maybe a counterproposal would be a better strategy instead of saying "f**k you". I looked at your roster and tried to give you some serviceable players, but apparently you don't like my "trash". Rhodes isn't exactly a top tier player, so I'm not going to start with an offer of top tier talent. Negotiations are a little more than tossing insults my way

Thoughts?

I think when you open up the emails to most of your trade offers...that face you have as your avatar says it all.

 

[Christo]

Really guys? If Carr, Gado and Jammer aren't ZF league "trash" I don't know what is. None of those three would even be a decent bye-filler.

Maybe not the most diplomatic of terms, but seems to pretty accurately describe the situation. I did indicate that I would be up for a trade and made a suggestion about what I'd be more interested in, but he was to far over the edge due to the "t-word" to make it work, I guess.

I can only analyze this as if I was in the other guys shoes and if I were offering players of this caliber to another owner, I would have no problem with the other guy terming them "trash", especially in the context of attempting to re-work the deal.

I didn't call the other owner a name, or impugn him personally at all. Just didn't particularly value a list of players he offered to me. I was quite shocked at the nature of his response.

Essentially you did. By saying he was offering "trash," you accused him of making a "trash" offer, which is impugning him personally.

 

[alg]

you're the tool in this situation. a simple I'm not interested in any of those guys, how about this, would have sufficed.

That sums it up nicely.

 

[purplehaze67]

Essentially you did. By saying he was offering "trash," you accused him of making a "trash" offer, which is impugning him personally.

Most see it that way and it's to the point where everyone has said their piece and if the horse ain't dead yet, it's on serious life support. I do maintain a difference still, and maybe I am the only one who looks at things this way. It's like saying "you did a stupid thing" vs "you are a stupid person". One describes an action and the other, a person. I would take zero offense at statement #1, but may well at statement #2 depending on the circumstances. Apparently, that line isn't as clear-cut to others as it is to me. I will keep this in mind with future trade-talks.

 

[Go Blue]

you're the tool in this situation. a simple I'm not interested in any of those guys, how about this, would have sufficed.

This is a personal attack on someone. Telling them you don't like the players being offered in a trade and politely asking for draft picks instead is totally acceptable in my opinion. I'm not sure how many of the people responding play at Zealots Field. At ZF, Rb's are more valueable than any other league I've ever played in. Rhodes will probably never be considered a "Top-Tier" Rb, but his value in any Zealots league will be more than most people are used to seeing. Was the "Trash" comment necessary? Absolutely not. Although, depending on how many dynasty leagues you play in, it gets real old when you keep getting ridicuous offers. At some point, your going to say something you probably shouldn't. No need to take a response personally , especially, when the response was about the players offered. I'm a big believer in starting all trade talks with a low offer and working my way to some common ground. I've been told on multiple occasions that my offer was way too low, but I never went off and cried about the response I recieved.

 

[gildawg]

So you ask if you did anything wrong and most say you did, then you argue that you were right.

If you know you did the right thing, why start a thread and ask if you were wrong.

Just because people can talk to you in a blunt manner doesn't mean you can talk to others in the same manner.

BTW, in my opinion, which you are asking, you came off as an ### in the response.

 

[Slinger]

Tell the other owner to wear a tampon. Geesh.

Thus opening the door for future trade discussions.

 

[TheLastDispatch]

little of both. you could have avoided the word trash, but he took that way too personally.

ETA: I think t depends on what kind of league you're in too. In my league no one would be offended by the word "trash." It's just me and my friends and its pretty laid back. If you're in the type of league that it seems like most people on here are in (which isn't as laid back) then "trash" may have been worse than how I see it.

 

[JohnnyU]

My view here (and it seems I am the vast minority) is that I didn't say anything personally about him. Didn't insult, didn't disrespect.

Again, another mistake. You calling his players "trash" is a form of disrespect no matter how you say it. I'm sorry if you can't see that. Obviously there's nothing I can say to make you see it, so I won't.

Ok. Thanks for trying anyway. I will always maintain a line between the two. You can say whatever you want about any player on any of my teams. Call them any name you want as much as you want. I will be able to keep that separate in my own mind from being directed personally at me. I don't know any NFL player, and am totally fine with anyone's opinion of any of them. Seems that I am one of a very small minority here. I honestly did not realize that some people would have such an issue with it.

I've done it in the past as well. I realized I don't gain anything by it.

 

[Guapote]

I've found the phrase "we seem to value the players involved differently" to be helpful in making trades happen. That said, the guy sounds overly sensitive if he's getting that worked up about it.

 

[The Duff Man]

I don't see anything wrong with your response, although I personally wouldn't have put something like that unless I had been in the league with him a few years and "know" him (as much as you can someone you have never met or talked to in person).

 

[The Duff Man]

I'll also add that it is hard to judge tone/intent from email and the mood of the person reading the email usually sways the interpretation.

For instance if he just found out his wife was cheating on him, your reply would come across as harsh.

However, if he just won the lottery I am sure your reponse would be no problem.

 

[Genester]

I for sure don't see a FF owner as being at the same level as a boss/interviewer. Certainly I am going to play the game when it comes the the person signing my checks. Not so much when it comes to a peer in FF.

There's your mistake. You feel like you can disrespect some stranger on the Internet because you don't have a personal relationship with him, but yet you expect a reasonable response from the individual you just insulted. All of us expect to be treated with respect regardless whether we know the other person or not. Having league mates that you've never met doesn't give anyone the right to treat them with less respect.

Right on.

 

[RenegadeGM]

agree it is a little of both... if you were genuinely interested in possibly making a deal, the "trash" comment may have been a mistake, but he also seems a bit sensitive.

Something along the lines of:

I'm open to dealing Rhodes, but would prefer to make a deal for picks rather than players. Any ideas?

or something like that.

 

[Rabbid Patriot Homer]

If the guy doesn't want to be "insulted", then he shouldn't make insulting offers.

Pretty much any trade with Gado in it these days is a BS offer.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

you're the tool in this situation. a simple I'm not interested in any of those guys, how about this, would have sufficed.

Gotta agree here. Sorry Haze.

 

[Fear & Loathing]

So what exactly do you want from this thread? All you are doing is justifying what you did to anyone who disagrees with you. It is pretty obvious from the poll that you were mostly to blame here.

Trying to see if an offhand description of marginal players as "trash" is enough in most people's eyes to cause what happened. No problem that most agree. I admitted that "trash" was not the most diplomatic word in the world, but I did not think that it was so over-the-top as to warrant the follow-up I received. Is "trash" really the new equivalent to "f**k you"? I do chime in when people compare it to running up to strangers on the street and telling then they are fat and ugly, compare it to disagreeing with a work boss or ant a job interview or some other non-related offshoot. A trade talk in FF isn't the same as an audience with the Pope or an interview in the NY Post. I am not going to behave the same. If that cost me a certain % of trade options with people who need more decorum, then it's going to.

The way I see it, the problem isn't so much that you called his players "trash" (though in the future I'm sure you'll probably just throw out a simple "I have no interest in those players, maybe you can make it so&so instead"). The problem is you don't see Dominic Rhodes as trash, but you do see David Carr as trash. Personally, I think David Carr has a much better chance of being useful over the next couple of years than Dominic Rhodes does. Either way, I don't see how you can say one is trash but the other isn't. I see it as more of a case of overvaluing your own players than insulting his. Next time, just say you don't have interest in the players rather than using adjectives to describe them.

 

[crnerblitz]

First of all, I don't do very well with insults. Maybe a counterproposal would be a better strategy instead of saying "f**k you". I looked at your roster and tried to give you some serviceable players, but apparently you don't like my "trash". Rhodes isn't exactly a top tier player, so I'm not going to start with an offer of top tier talent. Negotiations are a little more than tossing insults my way

I have seen thicker skins on tomatoes. It seems to me that while people point out you may have hurt yourself by losing a trading partner, the same holds true of his situation. He has also hurt himself by losing a trade partner. Best advice is to try and mend that fence. That being said, trade negotiations are a very tricky and sometimes delicate situation. Getting to know your league-mates by holding discussions about football without trade talk involved helps break the ice and build a personal relationship and common understanding.Trading with people you have had previous conversations with becomes much easier. Pitfalls are now easily recognized and avoided. Knowing your potential trade partner prefers the niceties of diplomatic negotiations allows you to frame your responses in dressed and measured phrases. Straightforward no-nonsense personalities tend to prefer the parry and thrust of a short ‘to the point’ negotiation. I have spent some time overseas in places where negotiation is an art-form requiring duck and jab skills. Insults of stealing usually follow lowball offers. This tactic of negotiation doesn’t bother me in the least bit. Some Hong Kong merchants try to liquor you up before even getting to the negotiations. Now there is a tactic.Get to know your trade partners preferences before you even start trade negotiations. The added efforts will payoff in the long run.Edit/grammer

 

[fatness]

Yeah, obviously I killed any possibility of making this trade and maybe ever dealing with this guy again. But if he is going to be that touchy, could be for the best. Doesn't seem like our styles/personalities are enough of a mesh to count on many productive trade talks.

That's a common mistake, based on the number of threads here about "was this guy out of line?" Trading isn't about meshing personalities. It's about trading players, nothing else. If you want to trade and to keep lines of communication open, just stay bland and stick to the business of trading. Most people can be dealt with, even if you don't like them or they don't like you."I don't think those players will help my team much. How about............" is bland and doesn't shut a door."Those players are essentially trash", on the other hand, will rub some people the wrong way, and close a door with them.It's a matter of what's more important to you --- expressing yourself freely or making a trade.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Received this offer in a ZF league:

I give RhodesHe gives Carr, Gado, Jammer, Hamlin

I declined with the following message:

I don't mind moving Rhodes at all, but I really don't want to trade him for a bunch of "trash". Any chance you could do something with draft considerations instead?

His response:

First of all, I don't do very well with insults. Maybe a counterproposal would be a better strategy instead of saying "f**k you". I looked at your roster and tried to give you some serviceable players, but apparently you don't like my "trash". Rhodes isn't exactly a top tier player, so I'm not going to start with an offer of top tier talent. Negotiations are a little more than tossing insults my way

Thoughts?

I have no problem with your response to him. But I'm also not a fan of stupid lowball offers as a way to get trade talks started. I think those kind of offers are more insulting than calling his players trash. He's mad because he knows they are trash.

 

[Bizkiteer]

You might think they are trash, but you shouldn't have said it. Plain and simple, when you disagree with your boss or are don't like what your hear during an interview, you don't start acting unprofessional or say something that you know will get a harsh response. You play the politically correct card because in the long run you will get the result you're looking for by doing so. Plain and simple, you shut the door before you even really got started. BTW - There is nothing wrong with being polite.

I for sure don't see a FF owner as being at the same level as a boss/interviewer. Certainly I am going to play the game when it comes the the person signing my checks. Not so much when it comes to a peer in FF. I am more of a shoot-from-the-hip, call-em-as-I-see-em type in this hobby. Not that I am going to call someone a moron or something but I can be blunt at times with player evaluations, especially with roster filler. Most of the time, the other guy has some ability to roll with that and get things done. Not here.Yeah, obviously I killed any possibility of making this trade and maybe ever dealing with this guy again. But if he is going to be that touchy, could be for the best. Doesn't seem like our styles/personalities are enough of a mesh to count on many productive trade talks.

Of course he's not your boss and you don't owe him anything, but you still have to approach it in a civil manner. Even when people are pissed at their boss, they don't say it. That is what I'm basically trying to say. I also will agree that getting personal or taking as such shouldn't happen either. This can happen easily when two are playing Low offer then counter high. Many of times people don't realize that it is part of negotiations and they feel insulted and never allow it to get to middle ground.Oh well...

 

[MG345]

I think the person getting all worked up about it is the OP. Running here to start a poll on this BS, what are we in high school? Honestly, it was a rude comment, but not extremely, but why the hell should you care if he gets upset, if he isn't a close friend. That is the real point here.