Trade value of Stud RBs in Dynasty (1 Viewer)

[wannabee]

I realize that there are many variables different in different dynasty leagues. But, I would like to hear from owners of any of the 3 stud RBs (Can include Portis, too I guess if you want). Also, for those of you wanting to trade for LT, LJ, Alexander (add Portis if you want).

What would it take for you to trade away your stud RB? You rely on him as an anchor to your team each week.

What would you give up in order to acquire on of the stud RBs?

I am looking mostly for general answers since he all see the RBs 5-12 differently. Would it take two top 10 RBs? Would it take a top 8 RB and a top 5 WR?

What is your price?

 

[valhallan]

I have Alexander, and I'd probably look for a currenty top 5-10 RB like Jordan, R.Brown, or R.Johnson plus one of this year's top rookie RBs like Maroney, Williams, or Bush (though his value is considerably higher). It could all change with QBs or WRs added in.

 

[jurb26]

I would probably want a top 10 RB and a top 5 WR or something along those lines.

 

[Kit Fisto]

Back in his prime, my price for anyone asking about Marshall Faulk was 5 first rounders (or the equivalent to).

Sent alot of the "something for nothing" traders running with their tails between their legs!

 

[code]

I would probably want a top 10 RB and a top 5 WR or something along those lines.

This is precisely what I was going to post...Disclosure: I own two of the four RBs mentioned...

 

[oukurt]

PPR league - I recently traded Alexander for Bush, Lefty, and a 2007 2nd round rook pick.

My thinking is SA's value is at its peak and he will be 30 soon. Why not go after who I think will be the next superstar in the league? I needed QB depth and the 07 rook pick was pretty much a throw in.

 

[Blackjacks]

I like to keep my studs on my team.

 

[Armando]

Tough to make a deal with Alexander. He's almost 30 now & more than likely people owning R.Brown/Cadillac/Jacskson will have just as difficult of time parting with them STRAIGHT UP for someone like Alexander.

Most Alexander owners that are expecting R.Brown + Maroney (or other rookie) are going to be disappointed if they are in fact looking to deal Alexander. I don't blame you for looking for that. You're just more than likely not getting it.

 

[wannabee]

Tough to make a deal with Alexander. He's almost 30 now & more than likely people owning R.Brown/Cadillac/Jacskson will have just as difficult of time parting with them STRAIGHT UP for someone like Alexander.

Most Alexander owners that are expecting R.Brown + Maroney (or other rookie) are going to be disappointed if they are in fact looking to deal Alexander. I don't blame you for looking for that. You're just more than likely not getting it.

Alexander is not even 29 yet. What is this about almost 30? In addition, many do not realize that LT has more touches than Alexander in one less year in the league. Alexander was drafted into a situation where Watters was starting in Seattle.

 

[Hendo]

i have always been more of the build from-within type and therefore i do look t trade older stars for young promisign guys or even will look to take a more serious chance on a top draft pick.

i was offered LT2 for Jackson and Maroney and laughed that off silly. to tell u the truth i would be hard pressed to make a LT2 for Jackson trade because i do think Jackson is 3 or 4 years younger and i allready view himtop 10.

maybe i value youth too much but it lets me stay competitive longevity wise when looking at things that way as well. sometimes it backfires but most the time it seems like i score well.

back when Faulk was traded for Edge i dealt Faulk for Edge in FF that year plus a 2nd rounder and that worked out wonderfull.(this is for example)

however this only applys to dynasty leagues doing this in any redraft types woukld be close to moronic

 

[EBF]

Tough to make a deal with Alexander. He's almost 30 now & more than likely people owning R.Brown/Cadillac/Jacskson will have just as difficult of time parting with them STRAIGHT UP for someone like Alexander.

Most Alexander owners that are expecting R.Brown + Maroney (or other rookie) are going to be disappointed if they are in fact looking to deal Alexander. I don't blame you for looking for that. You're just more than likely not getting it.

I agree that it's sell high time on SA. He had a freak season last year. You can't expect him to score 28 TDs each season. He probably still has 1-3 elite years left, but I'd be looking to move him. His value will never be higher.

 

[ILoveMyLions]

I[m coming from both perspectives as I traded one and have been offered for one in the last year.

I traded Portis last year after an off year in WAS. I got really good value, multiple 1sts and good young players. However, I regret doing it. I was loaded at RB, but should have held out for a little more. I think now is the time to deal Alexander as some others suggested if you can get value.

I also own LT in that league, and it would take a miracle to get him from me. I've had him since his rookie year and he's so consistent, that he'd be hard to replace. To me, he's virtually untradeable, unless someone came with a ridiculous offer.

 

[oukurt]

Tough to make a deal with Alexander. He's almost 30 now & more than likely people owning R.Brown/Cadillac/Jacskson will have just as difficult of time parting with them STRAIGHT UP for someone like Alexander.

Most Alexander owners that are expecting R.Brown + Maroney (or other rookie) are going to be disappointed if they are in fact looking to deal Alexander. I don't blame you for looking for that. You're just more than likely not getting it.

I agree that it's sell high time on SA. He had a freak season last year. You can't expect him to score 28 TDs each season. He probably still has 1-3 elite years left, but I'd be looking to move him. His value will never be higher.

Reminds me of how people couldn't resist drafting Manning in the 1st round last year after his monster season. SA will still be a top 5 back, but anyone expecting similar numbers to last year is kidding themselves.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Tough to make a deal with Alexander. He's almost 30 now & more than likely people owning R.Brown/Cadillac/Jacskson will have just as difficult of time parting with them STRAIGHT UP for someone like Alexander.

Most Alexander owners that are expecting R.Brown + Maroney (or other rookie) are going to be disappointed if they are in fact looking to deal Alexander. I don't blame you for looking for that. You're just more than likely not getting it.

Think you're nuts. Nothing in history really suggests that those backs have any more life on their tires than Alexander does. The backs who put together more than 3-4 stud seasons are few and far between. Considering that Alexander has proven to be a stud and those guys have essentially proven nothing, if you can get him straight up or close to straight up for any of them, you should be laughing to the bank.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Tough to make a deal with Alexander. He's almost 30 now & more than likely people owning R.Brown/Cadillac/Jacskson will have just as difficult of time parting with them STRAIGHT UP for someone like Alexander.

Most Alexander owners that are expecting R.Brown + Maroney (or other rookie) are going to be disappointed if they are in fact looking to deal Alexander. I don't blame you for looking for that. You're just more than likely not getting it.

I agree that it's sell high time on SA. He had a freak season last year. You can't expect him to score 28 TDs each season. He probably still has 1-3 elite years left, but I'd be looking to move him. His value will never be higher.

Don't think anyone is expecting that kind of production. Most of the projections I've seen are in the 18-20 TD range.

 

[Sigfawn]

Tough to make a deal with Alexander. He's almost 30 now & more than likely people owning R.Brown/Cadillac/Jacskson will have just as difficult of time parting with them STRAIGHT UP for someone like Alexander.

Most Alexander owners that are expecting R.Brown + Maroney (or other rookie) are going to be disappointed if they are in fact looking to deal Alexander. I don't blame you for looking for that. You're just more than likely not getting it.

Think you're nuts. Nothing in history really suggests that those backs have any more life on their tires than Alexander does. The backs who put together more than 3-4 stud seasons are few and far between. Considering that Alexander has proven to be a stud and those guys have essentially proven nothing, if you can get him straight up or close to straight up for any of them, you should be laughing to the bank.

I agree. You don't trade studs for value. There is a huge edge in having a player that ends up near the top of the FF points. Even if Sjax/Ward = SA in points, SA is 1 roster spot, 1 starting spot. There's a huge edge in that. I never like trading down. Or watering down my talent. I always trade up. Trade 2 for 1. 3 for 2. 4 for 2. 5 for 3. The roster spot equity is huge. QBs (bulger, warner) RB (dillon, deuce, foster) who require a handcutt (thus 2 roster spots) drop in value compared to delhomme, green, mcgahee who you can take without drafting the handcuff.

In every league I'm in, people waste roster spots. I like going into the season with 2-3 open spots. I can jump on fliers, grab that backup RB who might start. I see guys with 3 JAX RBs, 3 Jet RBs, 3 HOU rbs. I mean enough already.

 

[EBF]

Tough to make a deal with Alexander. He's almost 30 now & more than likely people owning R.Brown/Cadillac/Jacskson will have just as difficult of time parting with them STRAIGHT UP for someone like Alexander.

Most Alexander owners that are expecting R.Brown + Maroney (or other rookie) are going to be disappointed if they are in fact looking to deal Alexander. I don't blame you for looking for that. You're just more than likely not getting it.

I agree that it's sell high time on SA. He had a freak season last year. You can't expect him to score 28 TDs each season. He probably still has 1-3 elite years left, but I'd be looking to move him. His value will never be higher.

Don't think anyone is expecting that kind of production. Most of the projections I've seen are in the 18-20 TD range.

I know, but people are still over-exaggerating the gap between Alexander (and LJ) and the other RB's in the league based on last year's stats. It wouldn't be a huge shocker to see someone like Steven Jackson, Tiki Barber, Edgerrin James, or Cadillac Williams outscore one or two of the "untouchables". That's why I think this notion of a rock solid top 3 is somewhat silly. You're not doomed if you don't manage to get one of these guys.

 

[wannabee]

Tough to make a deal with Alexander. He's almost 30 now & more than likely people owning R.Brown/Cadillac/Jacskson will have just as difficult of time parting with them STRAIGHT UP for someone like Alexander.

Most Alexander owners that are expecting R.Brown + Maroney (or other rookie) are going to be disappointed if they are in fact looking to deal Alexander. I don't blame you for looking for that. You're just more than likely not getting it.

I agree that it's sell high time on SA. He had a freak season last year. You can't expect him to score 28 TDs each season. He probably still has 1-3 elite years left, but I'd be looking to move him. His value will never be higher.

Don't think anyone is expecting that kind of production. Most of the projections I've seen are in the 18-20 TD range.

I know, but people are still over-exaggerating the gap between Alexander (and LJ) and the other RB's in the league based on last year's stats. It wouldn't be a huge shocker to see someone like Steven Jackson, Tiki Barber, Edgerrin James, or Cadillac Williams outscore one or two of the "untouchables". That's why I think this notion of a rock solid top 3 is somewhat silly. You're not doomed if you don't manage to get one of these guys.

Maybe so, but saying that SA is amlost 30 as an argument for this is flat out wrong when the guy is 28.

 

[EBF]

Tough to make a deal with Alexander. He's almost 30 now & more than likely people owning R.Brown/Cadillac/Jacskson will have just as difficult of time parting with them STRAIGHT UP for someone like Alexander.

Most Alexander owners that are expecting R.Brown + Maroney (or other rookie) are going to be disappointed if they are in fact looking to deal Alexander. I don't blame you for looking for that. You're just more than likely not getting it.

Think you're nuts. Nothing in history really suggests that those backs have any more life on their tires than Alexander does. The backs who put together more than 3-4 stud seasons are few and far between. Considering that Alexander has proven to be a stud and those guys have essentially proven nothing, if you can get him straight up or close to straight up for any of them, you should be laughing to the bank.

I agree. You don't trade studs for value. There is a huge edge in having a player that ends up near the top of the FF points. Even if Sjax/Ward = SA in points, SA is 1 roster spot, 1 starting spot. There's a huge edge in that. I never like trading down. Or watering down my talent. I always trade up. Trade 2 for 1. 3 for 2. 4 for 2. 5 for 3. The roster spot equity is huge. QBs (bulger, warner) RB (dillon, deuce, foster) who require a handcutt (thus 2 roster spots) drop in value compared to delhomme, green, mcgahee who you can take without drafting the handcuff.

In every league I'm in, people waste roster spots. I like going into the season with 2-3 open spots. I can jump on fliers, grab that backup RB who might start. I see guys with 3 JAX RBs, 3 Jet RBs, 3 HOU rbs. I mean enough already.

Actually, I agree with you here. I'm all for diversifying the portfolio a bit, but a 2-for-1 deal can quickly go bad if one of the two parts flops. Nevertheless, I do think it's wise to consider the inevitable dip in value that looms in the horizon with guys like Alexander and Barber.In quite a few of my leagues, the Faulk and Holmes owners refused to trade at value, desperately clinging to the "one more elite year" argument when it was clear that their star player was tiptoeing the dangerous "over the hill" line. These guys didn't pull the trigger when they had a chance. Now they have nothing but useless fossils to show for their former star.

The key is to be realistic and find the right time to strike. Don't dump a great player for nothing, but if you're out of contention and you can trade Alexander for something like a proven star (Torry Holt/Chad Johnson/Hines Ward) and a top prospect (Reggie Bush, 1.01, or two future firsts) then you should probably do it.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Tough to make a deal with Alexander. He's almost 30 now & more than likely people owning R.Brown/Cadillac/Jacskson will have just as difficult of time parting with them STRAIGHT UP for someone like Alexander.

Most Alexander owners that are expecting R.Brown + Maroney (or other rookie) are going to be disappointed if they are in fact looking to deal Alexander. I don't blame you for looking for that. You're just more than likely not getting it.

Think you're nuts. Nothing in history really suggests that those backs have any more life on their tires than Alexander does. The backs who put together more than 3-4 stud seasons are few and far between. Considering that Alexander has proven to be a stud and those guys have essentially proven nothing, if you can get him straight up or close to straight up for any of them, you should be laughing to the bank.

I agree. You don't trade studs for value. There is a huge edge in having a player that ends up near the top of the FF points. Even if Sjax/Ward = SA in points, SA is 1 roster spot, 1 starting spot. There's a huge edge in that. I never like trading down. Or watering down my talent. I always trade up. Trade 2 for 1. 3 for 2. 4 for 2. 5 for 3. The roster spot equity is huge. QBs (bulger, warner) RB (dillon, deuce, foster) who require a handcutt (thus 2 roster spots) drop in value compared to delhomme, green, mcgahee who you can take without drafting the handcuff.

In every league I'm in, people waste roster spots. I like going into the season with 2-3 open spots. I can jump on fliers, grab that backup RB who might start. I see guys with 3 JAX RBs, 3 Jet RBs, 3 HOU rbs. I mean enough already.

Actually, I agree with you here. I'm all for diversifying the portfolio a bit, but a 2-for-1 deal can quickly go bad if one of the two parts flops. Nevertheless, I do think it's wise to consider the inevitable dip in value that looms in the horizon with guys like Alexander and Barber.In quite a few of my leagues, the Faulk and Holmes owners refused to trade at value, desperately clinging to the "one more elite year" argument when it was clear that their star player was tiptoeing the dangerous "over the hill" line. These guys didn't pull the trigger when they had a chance. Now they have nothing but useless fossils to show for their former star.

The key is to be realistic and find the right time to strike. Don't dump a great player for nothing, but if you're out of contention and you can trade Alexander for something like a proven star (Torry Holt/Chad Johnson/Hines Ward) and a top prospect (Reggie Bush, 1.01, or two future firsts) then you should probably do it.

That would be nice value but at 28, almost 29, Alexander could very easily still have 3 studlike years left. Quite a few players have remained so until 31-32. And when trading him for one of those young, upcoming studs, your chances of getting Marion Butts, Barry Foster, Jamal Anderson, Natrone Means etc etc far outweigh your chances of getting someone who's going to put up "Alexander" numbers for the next 4-5 years. People get caught up with youth, especially in regards to RBs IMO in dynasties. They think "this guy's 24 so he's got 6-7 years of stud production left". Check out the dynasty drafts of only two years ago. Guys like Jamal Lewis, Ahman Green and Deuce McAllister were drafted very high, were coming off good years and were young. All appear pretty much shot already giving owners not nearly the production they were envisioning. Live for now with RBs IMO and trade for young stud WRs and QBs.

 

[Ray Pollett]

I know everyone thinks I'm crazzy - But I traded LJ for Edge, D McAllister and E Molds. LJ will disappoint people this season. His value will never be higher than it is now. You see people every season step into the starters role at the half way point or later and put up great numbers. What type of numbers do they put up the next year as starter from the get go? Remember games 1-6 everyone thinks they are going to (and are still in the hunt for) the playoffs. Most teams are in the best condition healthwise they are in all season. Last 5 or 6 games of the year the opposite. Worse health of the season for most teams. Teams now realize they are not playoff bound. But a RB moving into the starters job with fresh legs and no health issue eats up those defenses. Just remember KJ and JJ two years ago.

Of the three SA is the hardest for me to part with. Best situation, with LT2 best prepared. Will not fall off as much as most thnk this year.

 

[oukurt]

Jeff - Right or wrong he turns 29 next month. So the 30 talk and his early demise will come up in dynasty dealings.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Jeff - Right or wrong he turns 29 next month. So the 30 talk and his early demise will come up in dynasty dealings.

I've seen Tiki pull some pretty nice deals in dynasties this summer. He's a couple years older than Alexander. If the player's still putting up stats, some people will still pay up for them. Others won't, they're very youth conscious in dynasties.

 

[wannabee]

Jeff - Right or wrong he turns 29 next month. So the 30 talk and his early demise will come up in dynasty dealings.

I am cool with the talk that he is 29, or almost 29, or the number of touches. I just do no understand the almost 30 statement.

 

[wannabee]

Also, I would like to keep this topic general. We can discuss the plus and minus for each player in their spotlight thread.

 

[WhoDat]

All trades are subject to FF seasonal inflation. Trading a blue chip RB or the rights to a high dynasty draft pick are probably the top two types of transactions subject to the league's changing ecnomic landscape. More importantly, trading away a blue chip RB is from my experience difficult. The seller always wants to much and a buyer never wants to give enough. Thus, finding a buyer at the right time of year and you can get what you should or want for an LT, SA, LJ, etc...

I would say that moving one of these guys might be best done during the season when a team is clearly one player away from winning. In theory you only get so many chances to cash in on a championship. Why not move your most valuable asset to a team easily within reach of winning immediately prior to the trade deadline? Maximize your value. My feeling is that the seller could control the purchase price much easier during the season or hard upon the trade deadline versus attempting to move LT, for example, in June.

I have only seen FF owners move foundation players every couple of season. It just does not happen often. I have seen people do it offseaon and in season. The trades closed during the offseason always fell short of what I felt would have been fair. The buyer gets a franchise player on the cheap or as much as that is possible. The seller, though, usually hammers his business partner in the FF year, as he leverages the situation. Everyone looks or feels great in May. The same cannot be said of November.

The most I have seen someone get for a player was a legit RB/WR combo and first rounder. That was made in season. Likewise, I have seen blue chip players sold on the cheap for lower performing RB and future/current picks in the offseason.

 

[sholditch]

I would probably want a top 10 RB and a top 5 WR or something along those lines.

I agree but the RB would have to be in the top 7-8, like Portis or Edge+ Holt or something like that. Basically, even this year, I view the potential drop off from the big 3 to the 4-7 as pretty dramatic, therefore I would need to get a lot in return. That being said, SA's value is at peak right now so I would have to at least consider something reasonable. I would not trade him for any RB I considered a substantial risk like SJax.

 

[Duckboy]

If I'm competing, I'm not trading him. These are the types you need to win.

If I'm out of it, I might look ideally for something like a top 10 younger RB (SJax/Caddy/RBrown) plus a top 5-10 younger WR (Fitz/Boldin/Chambers), plus an add-in pick. Still would be tough though.

 

[FBGPoker]

2 years ago i thought it was nuts people were drafting Holmes top 3 in a dynasty, based on his age alone. These guys don't stay elite into their 30's, history doesn't lie. There are a few exceptions to the rule, but it isn't the smartest move to bet on exceptions.

Let's face it, based on all we know we have to assume Alexander has 2...maybe 3 more years left of elite production.

I think it's worth the gamble to get a young RB who has fairly high % shot to become a stud (a guy like Bush, Ronnie Brown, Caddy, etc) and something else of some solid value for a guy who only has a couple years left of being at the top of his game.

 

[jurb26]

I would probably want a top 10 RB and a top 5 WR or something along those lines.

I agree but the RB would have to be in the top 7-8, like Portis or Edge+ Holt or something like that. Basically, even this year, I view the potential drop off from the big 3 to the 4-7 as pretty dramatic, therefore I would need to get a lot in return. That being said, SA's value is at peak right now so I would have to at least consider something reasonable. I would not trade him for any RB I considered a substantial risk like SJax.

I wouldnt trade Portis for LT, SA or LJ straight up in dynasty leagues let alone give a top WR along with it.

 

[EBF]

Tough to make a deal with Alexander. He's almost 30 now & more than likely people owning R.Brown/Cadillac/Jacskson will have just as difficult of time parting with them STRAIGHT UP for someone like Alexander.

Most Alexander owners that are expecting R.Brown + Maroney (or other rookie) are going to be disappointed if they are in fact looking to deal Alexander. I don't blame you for looking for that. You're just more than likely not getting it.

Think you're nuts. Nothing in history really suggests that those backs have any more life on their tires than Alexander does. The backs who put together more than 3-4 stud seasons are few and far between. Considering that Alexander has proven to be a stud and those guys have essentially proven nothing, if you can get him straight up or close to straight up for any of them, you should be laughing to the bank.

I agree. You don't trade studs for value. There is a huge edge in having a player that ends up near the top of the FF points. Even if Sjax/Ward = SA in points, SA is 1 roster spot, 1 starting spot. There's a huge edge in that. I never like trading down. Or watering down my talent. I always trade up. Trade 2 for 1. 3 for 2. 4 for 2. 5 for 3. The roster spot equity is huge. QBs (bulger, warner) RB (dillon, deuce, foster) who require a handcutt (thus 2 roster spots) drop in value compared to delhomme, green, mcgahee who you can take without drafting the handcuff.

In every league I'm in, people waste roster spots. I like going into the season with 2-3 open spots. I can jump on fliers, grab that backup RB who might start. I see guys with 3 JAX RBs, 3 Jet RBs, 3 HOU rbs. I mean enough already.

Actually, I agree with you here. I'm all for diversifying the portfolio a bit, but a 2-for-1 deal can quickly go bad if one of the two parts flops. Nevertheless, I do think it's wise to consider the inevitable dip in value that looms in the horizon with guys like Alexander and Barber.In quite a few of my leagues, the Faulk and Holmes owners refused to trade at value, desperately clinging to the "one more elite year" argument when it was clear that their star player was tiptoeing the dangerous "over the hill" line. These guys didn't pull the trigger when they had a chance. Now they have nothing but useless fossils to show for their former star.

The key is to be realistic and find the right time to strike. Don't dump a great player for nothing, but if you're out of contention and you can trade Alexander for something like a proven star (Torry Holt/Chad Johnson/Hines Ward) and a top prospect (Reggie Bush, 1.01, or two future firsts) then you should probably do it.

That would be nice value but at 28, almost 29, Alexander could very easily still have 3 studlike years left. Quite a few players have remained so until 31-32. And when trading him for one of those young, upcoming studs, your chances of getting Marion Butts, Barry Foster, Jamal Anderson, Natrone Means etc etc far outweigh your chances of getting someone who's going to put up "Alexander" numbers for the next 4-5 years. People get caught up with youth, especially in regards to RBs IMO in dynasties. They think "this guy's 24 so he's got 6-7 years of stud production left". Check out the dynasty drafts of only two years ago. Guys like Jamal Lewis, Ahman Green and Deuce McAllister were drafted very high, were coming off good years and were young. All appear pretty much shot already giving owners not nearly the production they were envisioning. Live for now with RBs IMO and trade for young stud WRs and QBs.

I never recommended trading him for those "young, upcoming studs". I recommend trading him for a solid asset like Chad Johnson or Torry Holt, as well as some sort of elite pick or prospect combination.

 

[fruity pebbles]

2 years ago i thought it was nuts people were drafting Holmes top 3 in a dynasty, based on his age alone. These guys don't stay elite into their 30's, history doesn't lie. There are a few exceptions to the rule, but it isn't the smartest move to bet on exceptions.

Let's face it, based on all we know we have to assume Alexander has 2...maybe 3 more years left of elite production.

I think it's worth the gamble to get a young RB who has fairly high % shot to become a stud (a guy like Bush, Ronnie Brown, Caddy, etc) and something else of some solid value for a guy who only has a couple years left of being at the top of his game.

Two years ago Holmes was a full two years older than Alexander is now. I wouldn't advocate taking a 31 year old back top 3 in a dynasty either but a 29 year old back I can definitely see. 2-3 years is a lifetime for runningbacks. Half the guys we're talking about now will be gone or worth squat anyways. I mean just last year Kevin and Julius Jones were often top 10 dynasty selections. Now they can be had for a bag of peanuts.

 

[Sigfawn]

Tough to make a deal with Alexander. He's almost 30 now & more than likely people owning R.Brown/Cadillac/Jacskson will have just as difficult of time parting with them STRAIGHT UP for someone like Alexander.

Most Alexander owners that are expecting R.Brown + Maroney (or other rookie) are going to be disappointed if they are in fact looking to deal Alexander. I don't blame you for looking for that. You're just more than likely not getting it.

Think you're nuts. Nothing in history really suggests that those backs have any more life on their tires than Alexander does. The backs who put together more than 3-4 stud seasons are few and far between. Considering that Alexander has proven to be a stud and those guys have essentially proven nothing, if you can get him straight up or close to straight up for any of them, you should be laughing to the bank.

I agree. You don't trade studs for value. There is a huge edge in having a player that ends up near the top of the FF points. Even if Sjax/Ward = SA in points, SA is 1 roster spot, 1 starting spot. There's a huge edge in that. I never like trading down. Or watering down my talent. I always trade up. Trade 2 for 1. 3 for 2. 4 for 2. 5 for 3. The roster spot equity is huge. QBs (bulger, warner) RB (dillon, deuce, foster) who require a handcutt (thus 2 roster spots) drop in value compared to delhomme, green, mcgahee who you can take without drafting the handcuff.

In every league I'm in, people waste roster spots. I like going into the season with 2-3 open spots. I can jump on fliers, grab that backup RB who might start. I see guys with 3 JAX RBs, 3 Jet RBs, 3 HOU rbs. I mean enough already.

Actually, I agree with you here. I'm all for diversifying the portfolio a bit, but a 2-for-1 deal can quickly go bad if one of the two parts flops. Nevertheless, I do think it's wise to consider the inevitable dip in value that looms in the horizon with guys like Alexander and Barber.In quite a few of my leagues, the Faulk and Holmes owners refused to trade at value, desperately clinging to the "one more elite year" argument when it was clear that their star player was tiptoeing the dangerous "over the hill" line. These guys didn't pull the trigger when they had a chance. Now they have nothing but useless fossils to show for their former star.

The key is to be realistic and find the right time to strike. Don't dump a great player for nothing, but if you're out of contention and you can trade Alexander for something like a proven star (Torry Holt/Chad Johnson/Hines Ward) and a top prospect (Reggie Bush, 1.01, or two future firsts) then you should probably do it.

I'm not sure there is a right time to dump an elite RB. SA isn't old. He's not even 28. But we'll use him as an example.Lets say he goes for 18 TDs. Then turns 29. His age alone hurts his value. You're better off keeping him. Then he runs for 15 TDs in 2007. Again, he's now 30, and the kneejerk perception in FF, is his value has tanked. So he runs for 12 more TDs in 2008. Now he's 31. You're looking at a step above CMARTs current value.

After CMART won the rushing title, what was his value? Pretty slim. People go way overboard on age.

That's why I like to trade FOR aging studs. Cash in on the "sell high" wildfire that people get caught up in. You only need to win your league once every 10-12 years to break even. I'd have no problem with starting Galloway, Harrison, Moose, Mccardell, Kennison.

A perfect example is Harrison. No way I'd sell him, really ever. You won't get good value.

2006 - Harrison solid #1 WR

2007 Harrison slips a bit, poor #1, great #2.

2008 Harrison slips more, average #2, great #3.

2009 Harrison slips more, solid #3, great #4.

Which puts him near where Mccardell was last year, 70 catches, 900 yards, 9 TDs. I don't see Harrison having a problem to do that at 36.

So in dynasty, we have a starting WR, for the next 4 years, we can get fairly cheap based on his age panic, and as long as we temper our expectations, it's win-win. So his production drops, we just budget for him to drop in our WR slots. You can keep Harrison until he retires, get solid WR3 production until the end, and you never have to "sell high" or sell at all. I've sene Harrison get traded for 100% unproven players with upside. Next year, Harrison will be dumped like yesterdays garbage. He's 34! The sky is falling!

Keep your studs. Not only that, COLLECT studs. If someone is in a panic about SAs age, jump right in and get him at a good price. If someone is selling due to age, it's a buyers market. Of course RBs drop off fasters, but WRs are so great to pickup once they hit 30-31-32. People go way overboard on trying to sell high.

 

[Highway Robbery]

People say live for the now, and don't look too much into the future, but owners of Faulk and Holmes get a dose of reality when their players retire or are on the verge of retirement.

Curtis Martin is almost there as is Ahman Green.

Tiki Barber could be there in 2 years easy.

 

[Sigfawn]

People say live for the now, and don't look too much into the future, but owners of Faulk and Holmes get a dose of reality when their players retire or are on the verge of retirement.

Curtis Martin is almost there as is Ahman Green.

Tiki Barber could be there in 2 years easy.

You're ignoring the fact that people are so age conscious now in FF, it's almost impossible to get decent value. I know a Tiki owner trying to move him in dynasty, very few people are even interested!Unless you get a homer who's going to pay for your stud like its 1999, its almost never worth it.

 

[EBF]

People say live for the now, and don't look too much into the future, but owners of Faulk and Holmes get a dose of reality when their players retire or are on the verge of retirement.

Curtis Martin is almost there as is Ahman Green.

Tiki Barber could be there in 2 years easy.

You're ignoring the fact that people are so age conscious now in FF, it's almost impossible to get decent value. I know a Tiki owner trying to move him in dynasty, very few people are even interested!Unless you get a homer who's going to pay for your stud like its 1999, its almost never worth it.

Which kind of proves a point:- If you want to a sell a guy like Shaun Alexander, you have to do it before it becomes obvious to everyone that he's nearing the end.

That's why now might be the perfect time to move him. He's only a season away from the dreaded 30, but he still carries top 3 value in most leagues. If you wait another year or two, you'll never get a fair deal.

 

[fruity pebbles]

People say live for the now, and don't look too much into the future, but owners of Faulk and Holmes get a dose of reality when their players retire or are on the verge of retirement.

Curtis Martin is almost there as is Ahman Green.

Tiki Barber could be there in 2 years easy.

But you don't know when these guys are going to pack it in. Ahman's been done for over a year, he's only 29 now. Jamal Lewis looks shot, he's only 27. Dom Davis looks half shot already at 25. Rciky Williams was supposed to last into his 30's. Just cause a guy's nearing 30 doesn't mean he doesn't have just as much time left as a guy in his mid 20's. True stud RB production for more than 3-4 years is very rare.

 

[fruity pebbles]

People say live for the now, and don't look too much into the future, but owners of Faulk and Holmes get a  dose of reality when their players retire or are on the verge of retirement. 

Curtis Martin is almost there as is Ahman Green. 

Tiki Barber could be there in 2 years easy.

You're ignoring the fact that people are so age conscious now in FF, it's almost impossible to get decent value. I know a Tiki owner trying to move him in dynasty, very few people are even interested!Unless you get a homer who's going to pay for your stud like its 1999, its almost never worth it.

Which kind of proves a point:- If you want a sell a guy like Shaun Alexander, you have to do it before it becomes obvious to everyone that he's nearing the end.

That's why now might be the perfect time to move him. He's only a season away from the dreaded 30, but he still carries top 3 value in most leagues. If you wait another year or two, you'll never get a fair deal.

Not sure he does carry top 3 value. Everyone's already talking about his age (this thread case in point) so it's already too late. The asking price in both of my leagues was much higher for LT and LJ than it was for Alexander. Alexander could be had pretty much straight up for Ronnie Brown or S. Jackson with a little bit extra kicked in. The LJ and LT owners wanted Brown or Jackson, a top 5 WR to boot, and something else in addition.

 

[EBF]

People say live for the now, and don't look too much into the future, but owners of Faulk and Holmes get a dose of reality when their players retire or are on the verge of retirement.

Curtis Martin is almost there as is Ahman Green.

Tiki Barber could be there in 2 years easy.

You're ignoring the fact that people are so age conscious now in FF, it's almost impossible to get decent value. I know a Tiki owner trying to move him in dynasty, very few people are even interested!Unless you get a homer who's going to pay for your stud like its 1999, its almost never worth it.

Which kind of proves a point:- If you want a sell a guy like Shaun Alexander, you have to do it before it becomes obvious to everyone that he's nearing the end.

That's why now might be the perfect time to move him. He's only a season away from the dreaded 30, but he still carries top 3 value in most leagues. If you wait another year or two, you'll never get a fair deal.

Not sure he does carry top 3 value. Everyone's already talking about his age (this thread case in point) so it's already too late. The asking price in both of my leagues was much higher for LT and LJ than it was for Alexander. Alexander could be had pretty much straight up for Ronnie Brown or S. Jackson with a little bit extra kicked in. The LJ and LT owners wanted Brown or Jackson, a top 5 WR to boot, and something else in addition.

That varies from league to league. I inquired about SA in one of my leagues and was told that I'd have to give Kevin Jones, Anquan Boldin, rookie 1.04, and a 2007 1st. That was a laughable offer, but some owners clearly value Alexander as one of the truly elite dynasty players. His dynasty ADP is 1.03 and very few people have him ranked outside their top ten. I think it's safe to say he carries a ton of value right now. In a year or two, he could be in Corey Dillon or Ahman Green land.

 

[fruity pebbles]

People say live for the now, and don't look too much into the future, but owners of Faulk and Holmes get a  dose of reality when their players retire or are on the verge of retirement. 

Curtis Martin is almost there as is Ahman Green. 

Tiki Barber could be there in 2 years easy.

You're ignoring the fact that people are so age conscious now in FF, it's almost impossible to get decent value. I know a Tiki owner trying to move him in dynasty, very few people are even interested!Unless you get a homer who's going to pay for your stud like its 1999, its almost never worth it.

Which kind of proves a point:- If you want a sell a guy like Shaun Alexander, you have to do it before it becomes obvious to everyone that he's nearing the end.

That's why now might be the perfect time to move him. He's only a season away from the dreaded 30, but he still carries top 3 value in most leagues. If you wait another year or two, you'll never get a fair deal.

Not sure he does carry top 3 value. Everyone's already talking about his age (this thread case in point) so it's already too late. The asking price in both of my leagues was much higher for LT and LJ than it was for Alexander. Alexander could be had pretty much straight up for Ronnie Brown or S. Jackson with a little bit extra kicked in. The LJ and LT owners wanted Brown or Jackson, a top 5 WR to boot, and something else in addition.

That varies from league to league. I inquired about SA in one of my leagues and was told that I'd have to give Kevin Jones, Anquan Boldin, rookie 1.04, and a 2007 1st. That was a laughable offer, but some owners clearly value Alexander as one of the truly elite dynasty players. His dynasty ADP is 1.03 and very few people have him ranked outside their top ten. I think it's safe to say he carries a ton of value right now. In a year or two, he could be in Corey Dillon or Ahman Green land.

Point taken. But in two years anyone could be in Dillon or Ahman land. Ahman was only 27-28 when he entered Ahman land.

 

[EBF]

Point taken. But in two years anyone could be in Dillon or Ahman land. Ahman was only 27-28 when he entered Ahman land.

That's certainly true. One of the reasons that I advocate building dynasty squads around WRs and QBs is because they're more stable assets than RBs. They tend to get injured less frequently and generally have longer careers. That's why I recommend acquiring a top flight proven WR like Holt, Ward, or C. Johnson as part of the package if you deal away a player like Alexander or LJ. Think about a guy like Larry Fitzgerald. I know it's dangerous to assume that he'll be around forever (Koren Robinson, Germane Crowell, Marcus Robinson, etc.), but he's only 23 years old. Given that many WRs have remained productive into their mid thirties, it's entirely possible that Fitzgerald will be a top 10-20 WR for the next 12 years. To me, that makes him a lot more valuable in most leagues than someone like Edgerrin James or Shaun Alexander.

 

[Ducegonads]

I like to keep my studs on my team.

I've never had an offer for Alexander, Portis or Edge that made me really think about moving that top end RB. Guys who play in Dynasty for a bit know that it takes a GOOD offer to make a play for any cornerstone player. Nevermind a stud RB. In fact even guys like Rudi, S.Jackson, Caddy, R.Brown, T.Barber, McGahee & Westbrook (whom I also own) have seldome provoked offers that would make me want to do a deal. As stated above I compleatly agree that I'd rather have them on my team.

 

[EBF]

People say live for the now, and don't look too much into the future, but owners of Faulk and Holmes get a dose of reality when their players retire or are on the verge of retirement.

Curtis Martin is almost there as is Ahman Green.

Tiki Barber could be there in 2 years easy.

You're ignoring the fact that people are so age conscious now in FF, it's almost impossible to get decent value. I know a Tiki owner trying to move him in dynasty, very few people are even interested!Unless you get a homer who's going to pay for your stud like its 1999, its almost never worth it.

Which kind of proves a point:- If you want a sell a guy like Shaun Alexander, you have to do it before it becomes obvious to everyone that he's nearing the end.

That's why now might be the perfect time to move him. He's only a season away from the dreaded 30, but he still carries top 3 value in most leagues. If you wait another year or two, you'll never get a fair deal.

Not sure he does carry top 3 value. Everyone's already talking about his age (this thread case in point) so it's already too late. The asking price in both of my leagues was much higher for LT and LJ than it was for Alexander. Alexander could be had pretty much straight up for Ronnie Brown or S. Jackson with a little bit extra kicked in. The LJ and LT owners wanted Brown or Jackson, a top 5 WR to boot, and something else in addition.

That varies from league to league. I inquired about SA in one of my leagues and was told that I'd have to give Kevin Jones, Anquan Boldin, rookie 1.04, and a 2007 1st. That was a laughable offer, but some owners clearly value Alexander as one of the truly elite dynasty players. His dynasty ADP is 1.03 and very few people have him ranked outside their top ten. I think it's safe to say he carries a ton of value right now. In a year or two, he could be in Corey Dillon or Ahman Green land.

Point taken. But in two years anyone could be in Dillon or Ahman land. Ahman was only 27-28 when he entered Ahman land.

As a side note, I agree with this idea. However, there comes a point where you must accept the risk and make a deal. Sure, maybe Cadillac Williams will be selling insurance in five years, but I'd contend that he still has a better chance of being productive five years from now than Alexander does.It's sometimes better to get a bad deal than no deal. If you traded Marshall Faulk for Michael Bennett and Reggie Wayne in 2001, then at least you'd still have one useful player (as opposed to zero).

 

[fruity pebbles]

Point taken. But in two years anyone could be in Dillon or Ahman land. Ahman was only 27-28 when he entered Ahman land.

That's certainly true. One of the reasons that I advocate building dynasty squads around WRs and QBs is because they're more stable assets than RBs. They tend to get injured less frequently and generally have longer careers. That's why I recommend acquiring a top flight proven WR like Holt, Ward, or C. Johnson as part of the package if you deal away a player like Alexander or LJ. Think about a guy like Larry Fitzgerald. I know it's dangerous to assume that he'll be around forever (Koren Robinson, Germane Crowell, Marcus Robinson, etc.), but he's only 23 years old. Given that many WRs have remained productive into their mid thirties, it's entirely possible that Fitzgerald will be a top 10-20 WR for the next 12 years. To me, that makes him a lot more valuable in most leagues than someone like Edgerrin James or Shaun Alexander.

We're in agreement there. Only difference being I think you really need that stud RB to win in the end. Even if you only have him for a few years, a true stud RB outscores everyone else by leaps and bounds. Very hard for a WR based team to compete with a solid team led by a RB who has over 2000 combined yards and 20+ TDs. We're definitely on the same page though. I love basing my dynasty teams on stud WRs.

 

[fruity pebbles]

People say live for the now, and don't look too much into the future, but owners of Faulk and Holmes get a  dose of reality when their players retire or are on the verge of retirement. 

Curtis Martin is almost there as is Ahman Green. 

Tiki Barber could be there in 2 years easy.

You're ignoring the fact that people are so age conscious now in FF, it's almost impossible to get decent value. I know a Tiki owner trying to move him in dynasty, very few people are even interested!Unless you get a homer who's going to pay for your stud like its 1999, its almost never worth it.

Which kind of proves a point:- If you want a sell a guy like Shaun Alexander, you have to do it before it becomes obvious to everyone that he's nearing the end.

That's why now might be the perfect time to move him. He's only a season away from the dreaded 30, but he still carries top 3 value in most leagues. If you wait another year or two, you'll never get a fair deal.

Not sure he does carry top 3 value. Everyone's already talking about his age (this thread case in point) so it's already too late. The asking price in both of my leagues was much higher for LT and LJ than it was for Alexander. Alexander could be had pretty much straight up for Ronnie Brown or S. Jackson with a little bit extra kicked in. The LJ and LT owners wanted Brown or Jackson, a top 5 WR to boot, and something else in addition.

That varies from league to league. I inquired about SA in one of my leagues and was told that I'd have to give Kevin Jones, Anquan Boldin, rookie 1.04, and a 2007 1st. That was a laughable offer, but some owners clearly value Alexander as one of the truly elite dynasty players. His dynasty ADP is 1.03 and very few people have him ranked outside their top ten. I think it's safe to say he carries a ton of value right now. In a year or two, he could be in Corey Dillon or Ahman Green land.

Point taken. But in two years anyone could be in Dillon or Ahman land. Ahman was only 27-28 when he entered Ahman land.

As a side note, I agree with this idea. However, there comes a point where you must accept the risk and make a deal. Sure, maybe Cadillac Williams will be selling insurance in five years, but I'd contend that he still has a better chance of being productive five years from now than Alexander does.It's sometimes better to get a bad deal than no deal. If you traded Marshall Faulk for Michael Bennett and Reggie Wayne in 2001, then at least you'd still have one useful player (as opposed to zero).

Productive 5 years from now, I agree with you. But I personally think Alexander has 2-3 more "stud" years left. I'd rather have a guy give me 2-3 stud years and maybe another productive year or two than a guy give me 5-6 productive years. The difference right now between a guy like alexander and Caddy is so great that it's like having an additional player in your lineup each week for the next couple years. To me that's worth more than knowing a guy will be around in 5 years.

 

[CA_7]

I am fortunate to own LJ in all three keeper/dynasty leagues I am in and am surprised I have gotten only a total of 5 offers for him all off-season (that I can remember). I feel like I am one of the most active owners in each league as well.

I get the feeling people feel he is untouchable and don't even bother.... I would need a top 10 RB and top 5 to even begin to listenening to offers so maybe that is too much for most to consider.

 

[nightshift]

For those that are advocating "sell high" on SA, what's he worth? SA owners, if and when someone posts a credible offer, please chime in on whether or not you would seriously consider that offer.

Selling high is extremely difficult to do and is rarely done.. Most guys sellin' a SA, LT2, LJ, etc. want the world for him and for most, it really isn't worth having SA without QB or top flite WR or ?

But I am curious to see what kind offers and the reactions to them.

 

[Biabreakable]

I understand owners who have the elite Rbs valuing then so highly.

However the price another owner has to pay to get that player hurts the overall value of thier team too much for most to go through with it.

I think most would choose to just try thier luck of beating you with what they have.

Unless a team has sick depth of top 12 players (top 20 or lots of draft picks) its going to be hard for them to give up many of them to upgrade without thier team becoming weak around the elite player they aquired.

The only other way I see such a deal happening is if the owner of elite Rb has a weak team around him. And so see's value in improving multiple positions to give him up more favorably.

Honestly when it comes to Rbs I try to get them before they become untouchable. Once they get to a certain point of value I don't really bother trying to trade for them. Likewise I rarely get offers for elite Rbs that bring counter proposals. Many times I can look over the teams whole roster and not find enough there to cause me to want to give the Rb up.

As fa as comparative values between players like SA and Caddy I think they are close because of the age/wear and tear differences.

I think the best way to improve your team is not by going after these elite players in trade but by targeting less proven players with potential and draft picks. Develop from within.

Drafting LJ or trading for him before Priest began to fade would have not been that painful.

Rudi Johnson another example amoung plenty of them.

That just takes paitience and discipline.

 

[broncofan13000]

Good Discussion here. Personally i have the 1.3 pick in an initial dynasty draft and am tempted on passing on Shaun for the younger Portis. But its tough not to side with SA's uberstud production for the next 2-3 years...

 

[EBF]

Productive 5 years from now, I agree with you. But I personally think Alexander has 2-3 more "stud" years left. I'd rather have a guy give me 2-3 stud years and maybe another productive year or two than a guy give me 5-6 productive years.

Fair enough, but keep in mind that Alexander is coming off a career year while Cadillac was only a rookie. If Alexander comes back down to Earth (somewhat likely) and Cadillac manages to improve upon last year's numbers (somewhat likely), then you're talking about a much slimmer gap in production. Also, 2-3 more great years is probably the best case scenario for Alexander. 5-6 more good years is not the best case scenario for Williams. He's four years younger than Alexander. Add four years onto Alexander's expected shelf life and you get 6-7 years. 2-3 great-to-good years vs. 4-6 good-to-great years? It's a matter of owner preference and team needs.