Someone floated out a hypothetical with the Rams moving up to pick 2. Giving up 15, 43, 45, and a 2017 2nd. Brown's fans seemed pretty split on it. The people who liked the QBs did not want to do it, but a good amount of the people who didn't want one of these QBs (maybe half or so) were in favor of it.just can't see anyone giving up a ton to move up the #1 this year. Huge moves up into the top 3 are usually based around a QB and none of them are looked at as elite prospects in this draft class.
If this guy didn't even realize that the Eagles have pick 8 and not 13 then idk how much I trust him.1. At the moment, there are four teams in play to trade up to the No. 1 spot: Cleveland (as insurance against losing their preference of Goff or Wentz), San Francisco (No. 7), Philadelphia (No. 13) and Los Angeles (No. 15). And I don’t believe it will take the “king’s ransom” Titans GM Jon Robinson says a team will have to give up to move to No. 1. (Robinson later clarified his remarks, saying he did not want to give the impression the Titans were unwilling to move down). My hunch is that the deal will land somewhere south of the legitimate king’s ransom Washington paid for the right to draft Robert Griffin III—basically, three first-rounders and a second-round pick.
http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/03/23/nfl-draft-carson-wentz-jared-goff-paxton-lynch
Philly has pick No. 8.1. At the moment, there are four teams in play to trade up to the No. 1 spot: Cleveland (as insurance against losing their preference of Goff or Wentz), San Francisco (No. 7), Philadelphia (No. 13) and Los Angeles (No. 15). And I don’t believe it will take the “king’s ransom” Titans GM Jon Robinson says a team will have to give up to move to No. 1. (Robinson later clarified his remarks, saying he did not want to give the impression the Titans were unwilling to move down). My hunch is that the deal will land somewhere south of the legitimate king’s ransom Washington paid for the right to draft Robert Griffin III—basically, three first-rounders and a second-round pick.
http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/03/23/nfl-draft-carson-wentz-jared-goff-paxton-lynch
If there's a QB that Philly wants? What do they give up for the pick? They don't have a 2nd after the Bradford trade. 2017 picks or both their 2016 3rd round picks? That would leave them with 1 pick in the first 3 rounds which is hard to build a team around.Baltimore looks like it has potential to move back. I can see them moving back two spots.
San Francisco did not trade Kaepernick before yesterday's deadline so his salary is guaranteed for $11.9+ million his base salary which makes his total cap hit for 2016 over $16 million. They might take a QB if one falls to them and then trade Kaep but I doubt they are going to be aggressive and move up for a QB and pay a premium and then try to peddle Kaep. So I'd cross them off the list of teams who legitimately would move up.1. At the moment, there are four teams in play to trade up to the No. 1 spot: Cleveland (as insurance against losing their preference of Goff or Wentz), San Francisco (No. 7), Philadelphia (No. 13) and Los Angeles (No. 15). And I don’t believe it will take the “king’s ransom” Titans GM Jon Robinson says a team will have to give up to move to No. 1. (Robinson later clarified his remarks, saying he did not want to give the impression the Titans were unwilling to move down). My hunch is that the deal will land somewhere south of the legitimate king’s ransom Washington paid for the right to draft Robert Griffin III—basically, three first-rounders and a second-round pick.
http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/03/23/nfl-draft-carson-wentz-jared-goff-paxton-lynch
Plus they're paying Chase Daniel a rather hefty sum as well.Philly has Sam Bradford. They are paying Sam Bradford. I don't think they would also pay a premium of high draft picks to draft a QB with the first pick and pay Sam Bradford. Just not a good fit on a number of fronts.
Rams leap over a bunch of teams not looking for a QB, to take their QB.Rams Titans suggested trade by writer
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25535957/nfl-mock-draft-50-rams-trade-up-with-bucs-to-get-a-qb-at-no-9
I would be not thrilled as a fan of another AFC team if they Ravens moved back, and then took Elliott. That would be kind of slick.Baltimore looks like it has potential to move back. I can see them moving back two spots.
I didn't notice that, nice catch.If this guy didn't even realize that the Eagles have pick 8 and not 13 then idk how much I trust him.
I don't see any trades in the top 5 since there's no "elite" talent this year. Most of the trading will take place mid-round.
No, they had pick 13 and moved up to 8 in a trade with Miami weeks ago.I didn't notice that, nice catch.
I would guess it's more typo than lack of knowledge. I enjoy Peter King's employees at MMQB-very thorough, lot of detail. Usually super long articles too, which may annoy some, but I appreciate it.
The Eagles are very much a rumored trade-r with the Titans and as you could see from other links here, that's the same info-same four teams.
San Fran- The way I understand it, teams figured they'd lower their price and not go to the deadline. As such, they almost had to. So now teams might genuinely trade for Kaep. (I am not a fan, but many others still are. I think Chip will always be rumored in trades.San Francisco did not trade Kaepernick before yesterday's deadline so his salary is guaranteed for $11.9+ million his base salary which makes his total cap hit for 2016 over $16 million. They might take a QB if one falls to them and then trade Kaep but I doubt they are going to be aggressive and move up for a QB and pay a premium and then try to peddle Kaep. So I'd cross them off the list of teams who legitimately would move up.
Cleveland has stated from the start they are more likely to move down and would be unlikely to move up. They have Josh Mcown and just signed RG III and will have their pick of one of the top-two QBs from this draft. I never had them moving up and certainly don't now, cross them off the list.
Have the Rams EVER moved up? It seems to go against everything they've ever done in drafts with the current front office and it looks like Paxton Lynch will be there for the taking if they want him. This is a deep QB class where some 'interesting' prospects will be there for them in the second round and they hold two-send round picks. I just don't think they are moving up. The only scenario I see for them moving up is if a QB began to fall and they wanted to move ahead of San Francisco but I don't see them moving all the way up to the first pick.
Philly has Sam Bradford. They are paying Sam Bradford. I don't think they would also pay a premium of high draft picks to draft a QB with the first pick and pay Sam Bradford. Just not a good fit on a number of fronts.
Sorry Bri. If a team moves up for a QB, the only way I see that happening is if one of the top-two start falling but that would take place after the first QB goes off the board after Tennessee makes their selection.
April fools!I wonder if Baltimore moves back since Bosa is threatening to hold out if he gets drafted by them
I don't care if it's less than 100% return, as a Titans fan I'd jump on this:Here is Paul Kuharsky using Chase's calculator and three rumors
http://espn.go.com/blog/tennessee-titans/post/_/id/18686/a-close-look-at-three-trade-scenarios-for-the-titans-and-the-no-1-pick
I think that is going to be really hard to get this year. As mentioned above, there really don't appear to be super stars in this draft. The QBs have potential, but they aren't top guys we've seen in previous drafts where they are clear #1 overall picks. When there is a QB that good, they are always in the discussion for the top pick. None of these guys are better than Tunsil? If not, then I can't imagine anyone giving up 2 firsts and 2 2nds to move up to #1 when one of the top 3 will likely be available at their 15 spot.I don't care if it's less than 100% return, as a Titans fan I'd jump on this:
TRADE WITH RAMS
Titans give up No. 1.
Rams give up No. 15, No. 43 (second round), No. 45 (second round) and next year’s first-round pick. (I valued it right in the middle, at No. 16.)
JJ calculator: 99 percent for the Titans.
Yeah it's a big drop to 15, but with a nice return.
Hey, Costner got the #6 overall pick for 3 second rounders, so anything is possible.Until someone makes a 15-to-1 trade, I'm going to assume it never happens. I think #8 is about as low at Titans, or anyone at #1 really, will ever go.
Whoever decided that movie should cover the Browns was a genius. /sHey, Costner got the #6 overall pick for 3 second rounders, so anything is possible.
agreed, I'm just saying I like it and the value calculator seems off IMO.Until someone makes a 15-to-1 trade, I'm going to assume it never happens. I think #8 is about as low at Titans, or anyone at #1 really, will ever go.
They seem to like him a lot, but why do they need to trade up? Maybe they heard of someone else interested? Every mock I have seen usually has him available to them. Personally, I hope it is a smokescreen and they don't want him. I am really hoping one of the 3 CBs (Alexander, Apple and Jackson falls to the Panthers) as I am not optimistic about keeping Norman past this year with all the other guys contracts coming up soon. Obviously, the mocks show that the top two CBs have no chance to fall. Those 3 CBs seem to be all over the place. Some mocks have all 3 gone by Pittsburgh and some have 2 of them lasting into the 2nd.Just saw 2 mock drafts by analysts that have the Steelers trading up 6 spots to 19 to grab William Jackson III. Seeing as they've traded in the first round 3 times in the last 15 years, I highly doubt this happens.
I've seen all 3 to the Raiders at some point so that's probably the highest place one would get picked. But 4-5 teams between 14 and 25 could use a significant upgrade at CB. I wouldn't be shocked if all 3 were gone by 25 or if all were still there. This draft is a weird one so far.They seem to like him a lot, but why do they need to trade up? Maybe they heard of someone else interested? Every mock I have seen usually has him available to them. Personally, I hope it is a smokescreen and they don't want him. I am really hoping one of the 3 CBs (Alexander, Apple and Jackson falls to the Panthers) as I am not optimistic about keeping Norman past this year with all the other guys contracts coming up soon. Obviously, the mocks show that the top two CBs have no chance to fall. Those 3 CBs seem to be all over the place. Some mocks have all 3 gone by Pittsburgh and some have 2 of them lasting into the 2nd.
This is a really hard draft to read because it seems like there are 20-30 guys that appear to be going anywhere from 15-early 2nd and honestly depending on where you look they aren't separated by much at all.
What I have read a lot, that I believe, is that there are about 8-10 in the top tier (let's include the two QBs), then about 20-30 players in a bunch.This draft is a weird one so far.
Yeah, I would love to see one available for the Panthers, but it is all over the place.I've seen all 3 to the Raiders at some point so that's probably the highest place one would get picked. But 4-5 teams between 14 and 25 could use a significant upgrade at CB. I wouldn't be shocked if all 3 were gone by 25 or if all were still there. This draft is a weird one so far.
Agreed, that is what I have noticed, there is a big bunch of closely ranked guys. Seems like if the person doing the mock values one position over another then all of a sudden all the OTs are gone before the Panthers pick, but they can grab a CB and in another all CBs are gone and there are OTs available in the 2nd.What I have read a lot, that I believe, is that there are about 8-10 in the top tier (let's include the two QBs), then about 20-30 players in a bunch.
I think once the names at the top are gone, people need to forget about mocks. Way too many players that I see ranked 50th, that are appearing in 1st round mocks. I think we'll see quite a few guys that are not consensus 1st rounders going in the 1st.
Well, the new rookie pay scale hasn't been in effect all THAT long which is a huge factor. I think it will happen at some point.massraider said:Until someone makes a 15-to-1 trade, I'm going to assume it never happens. I think #8 is about as low at Titans, or anyone at #1 really, will ever go.
These guys are why I think the Titans second is more of a "prime" pick for trading than the first. Some have been top 10 and then mocked to go in 2nd.stbugs said:Agreed, that is what I have noticed, there is a big bunch of closely ranked guys. Seems like if the person doing the mock values one position over another then all of a sudden all the OTs are gone before the Panthers pick, but they can grab a CB and in another all CBs are gone and there are OTs available in the 2nd.
Here's a pretty recent top 50: LINK
From 32-50, you have 19 prospects out of which I have seen 13 of them in multiple 1st round mocks. Darron Lee, Kenny Clark, Eli Apple, Cody Whitehair, Chris Jones, Jarran Reed, Leonard Floyd, Michael Thomas, Emmanuel Ogbah, Jonathan Bullard, Le'Raven Clark, German Ifedi and Paxton Lynch have all been in many 1st round mocks. There are also a couple that I may have seen in the first at one point, but not enough that I remember, but definitely early second. It's SI as well, so likely some out of the top 50 that have been mocked in the first as well.
I'll never say "never" when it comes to the draft but I can't see the Cowboys trading up for a QB. I have doubts they'd even take one at 4 (with having Romo and being in win now mode), but that I can at least see as possible.Cowboys have SIX QBs scheduled to visit with them. IMO that shows their hand a bit. I guess the Titans need them to fall in love with one QB that they're afraid the Browns will take. Cowboys have, naturally, scheduled other visits but just my "reading tea leaves."
I think I leaned this way and initially discarded the sports radio talk, as it's almost customary to discuss a prized QB regardless.I'll never say "never" when it comes to the draft but I can't see the Cowboys trading up for a QB. I have doubts they'd even take one at 4 (with having Romo and being in win now mode), but that I can at least see as possible.
I think looking at six(+?) guys makes it less likely they are interested in the top two guys. Gives me the impression they are looking at the true projects in round two or beyond.I think I leaned this way and initially discarded the sports radio talk, as it's almost customary to discuss a prized QB regardless.
I think six invites translates to you, the fan, gotta consider it likely though. An almost declaration.
could be, about a 50/50 hereI think looking at six(+?) guys makes it less likely they are interested in the top two guys. Gives me the impression they are looking at the true projects in round two or beyond.
Complete guess but I think you're right and they probably have a specific player in mind but don't want to show their hand, and have to keep their options open.I think looking at six(+?) guys makes it less likely they are interested in the top two guys. Gives me the impression they are looking at the true projects in round two or beyond.