Trading Draft Picks (1 Viewer)

[BigGDan]

Hello folks,

An owner in my local 14 team keeper league decides to throw a fit over owners trading their draft picks. 2 things to note - we don't allow trades where an owner would get multiple picks in the same round. This owner is a perenial LOSER - never made the playoffs. Actually I'm not sure how relevant that last note is but since I will be posting these results to our league, I figured it should be documented for all to see

This all stems from one trade that occurred last season between two owners. The guy who drew the 1st overall pick - we'll call him team A - was using his 1st round pick on his keeper (CJ), so to him he's impervious to draft position in round 1. Team B, realizing the opportunity to upgrade his own late round draft spot, decided to trade his 1st and 2nd round picks with team A. This trade obviously helps both owners since team A upgrades his round 2 draft position and team B gets the 1st overall pick upgrading his 1st round position.

So that's the full story. Looking forward to seeing the voting results. TIA for voting.

 

[Holland Freeze]

I split my votes because for the 1st question I consider the ban on having multiple picks in any round as a bad rule.

How does the league handle rule changes?

Do I understand correctly that the trade occurred BEFORE the player with the 1st pick knew that was what he would have that pick?

 

[BigGDan]

The draft order was determined first. Then keepers were declared (1 keeper per team). Finally, the trade occurred.

 

[Holland Freeze]

The draft order was determined first. Then keepers were declared (1 keeper per team). Finally, the trade occurred.

If I understand you correctly, the team did not have a 1st round pick to trade away.

 

[FUBAR]

The draft order was determined first. Then keepers were declared (1 keeper per team). Finally, the trade occurred.

The rule I used when I was the commissioner for a keeper league was the team had to use its pick in the round necessary to keep a player. The guy shouldn't be allowed to trade the 1.01but otherwise trading should be as open as possible.

 

[Instinctive]

I am 100% ok with what happened.

I don't like your poll though, because I think you should be able to have more than one pick a round. I like to trade 1/5/7 for 2/3/4 and have two picks in each of those rounds.

 

[BigGDan]

The draft order was determined first. Then keepers were declared (1 keeper per team). Finally, the trade occurred.

The rule I used when I was the commissioner for a keeper league was the team had to use its pick in the round necessary to keep a player. The guy shouldn't be allowed to trade the 1.01but otherwise trading should be as open as possible.

What's the logic behind this rule?

 

[BigGDan]

I am 100% ok with what happened.

I don't like your poll though, because I think you should be able to have more than one pick a round. I like to trade 1/5/7 for 2/3/4 and have two picks in each of those rounds.

I agree but it's irrelevant since it is not an option in this league. I gotta baby step this league, it's a bunch of noobs (sort of). They're not technically noobs but they aren't as hardcore as us.

 

[Holland Freeze]

The rule I used when I was the commissioner for a keeper league was the team had to use its pick in the round necessary to keep a player. The guy shouldn't be allowed to trade the 1.01

but otherwise trading should be as open as possible.

What's the logic behind this rule?

I agree with FUBAR. The logic is that if you do not have a pick in a round because of the player you are keeping you have nothing to trade. Otherwise the loss of the draft pick becomes meaningless as demonstrated in your example.

 

[Instinctive]

The rule I used when I was the commissioner for a keeper league was the team had to use its pick in the round necessary to keep a player. The guy shouldn't be allowed to trade the 1.01

but otherwise trading should be as open as possible.

What's the logic behind this rule?

I agree with FUBAR. The logic is that if you do not have a pick in a round because of the player you are keeping you have nothing to trade. Otherwise the loss of the draft pick becomes meaningless as demonstrated in your example.

I think the mechanic is that wherever he picks in the first round, Chris Johnson is slotted in. It's a great move to go back in order to move up in the 2nd round and improve his team. The rule, to me, would be that he needs to have A first round pick - doesn't matter whose first rounder it is originally...Would you be ok with it if the draft order came out, they traded picks, and then he declared his keeper?

 

[BigGDan]

The rule I used when I was the commissioner for a keeper league was the team had to use its pick in the round necessary to keep a player. The guy shouldn't be allowed to trade the 1.01

but otherwise trading should be as open as possible.

What's the logic behind this rule?

I agree with FUBAR. The logic is that if you do not have a pick in a round because of the player you are keeping you have nothing to trade. Otherwise the loss of the draft pick becomes meaningless as demonstrated in your example.

But the owner does have a pick and he's using that pick for his keeper. We'll have to agree to disagree because it's all on how you look at it, imo. I can see your angle too, I just don't agree with it

 

[BigGDan]

Modified my first question in the poll, fyi.

 

[Holland Freeze]

The rule I used when I was the commissioner for a keeper league was the team had to use its pick in the round necessary to keep a player. The guy shouldn't be allowed to trade the 1.01

but otherwise trading should be as open as possible.

What's the logic behind this rule?

I agree with FUBAR. The logic is that if you do not have a pick in a round because of the player you are keeping you have nothing to trade. Otherwise the loss of the draft pick becomes meaningless as demonstrated in your example.

But the owner does have a pick and he's using that pick for his keeper. We'll have to agree to disagree because it's all on how you look at it, imo. I can see your angle too, I just don't agree with it

You are allowing a player to have 2 1st round picks then. The one that allows him to keep CJ and a 2nd to trade to another player. It is unfair to the other players but I'm fine with agreeing to disagree.

 

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Absurd.

In our straight cash homey league... you can NOT trade down in a round where you're keeping a player.

 

[Holland Freeze]

Modified my first question in the poll, fyi.

but now it makes my vote inaccurate.

 

[BigGDan]

The rule I used when I was the commissioner for a keeper league was the team had to use its pick in the round necessary to keep a player. The guy shouldn't be allowed to trade the 1.01

but otherwise trading should be as open as possible.

What's the logic behind this rule?

I agree with FUBAR. The logic is that if you do not have a pick in a round because of the player you are keeping you have nothing to trade. Otherwise the loss of the draft pick becomes meaningless as demonstrated in your example.

But the owner does have a pick and he's using that pick for his keeper. We'll have to agree to disagree because it's all on how you look at it, imo. I can see your angle too, I just don't agree with it

You are allowing a player to have 2 1st round picks then. The one that allows him to keep CJ and a 2nd to trade to another player. It is unfair to the other players but I'm fine with agreeing to disagree.

Let me put it this way. I could trade the picks and then decide my keeper. Does that change things for you?

 

[BigGDan]

Modified my first question in the poll, fyi.

but now it makes my vote inaccurate.

Good thing you don't have money on the line.

 

[GregR_2]

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Let me put it this way. I could trade the picks and then decide my keeper. Does that change things for you?

I've understood everyone else, but you have me completely confused what you're saying.

They are saying that it is best if you have a rule that if you wish to keep a player that requires a 1st round pick, that you have to use the pick that comes from your team's draft slot. So if your team gets the 1.01 pick, if you trade the 1.01 pick for the 1.12 and something else, you cannot use the 1.12 on your keeper. You can only use the 1.01. So you cannot keep that player unless you trade for the 1.01 back. That avoids teams doing what you're saying and trading down to get the last pick in a round and using that as their required pick.

The only thing I'll add is that the rule is better worded that it has to be your team's allotted pick or better. So if your team was given the 1.05 pick but you traded it, you could still keep a 1st round player as long as you get back any pick from 1.01 through 1.05 to use on him.

What is being suggested to you is exactly how the NFL does it with giving up draft pick compensation. Al Davis once signed a free agent, either restricted or a franchise tagged player, I'm not sure which... and he traded for the last pick in the round and used that as the pick he had to give up.

The NFL wisely closed this loophole the next year and now NFL teams cannot use a pick after their own for compensation.