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Trading up in the NFL Draft isn't worth it (1 Viewer)

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In 2005, economists Richard Thaler and Cade Massey argued that the later picks in the first round were generally worth more than the earlier picks because the difference in expected production between, say, the #5 pick and the #25 pick is pretty small compared to the difference in pay. The #5 pick is therefore less likely to be underpaid, and more likely to be overpaid, than the #25 pick. And in a salary cap world, they key is to compile a roster full of underpaid players.

I found the 2005 paper quite interesting, but ultimately unpersuasive -- although off the top of my head, I don't remember exactly what my complaints were.

They've recently revised their paper. Here it is. I haven't read it yet, so I don't know how it differs from the 2005 version.

Thaler has an April 2 article in the New York Times.

When a First Pick Isn’t the Best Pick

By RICHARD H. THALER

As March Madness winds down, it’s time to turn our attention to the next major sports event on the calendar. That’s right, the National Football League draft, now a three-day extravaganza with the first round broadcast in prime time on April 22.

Spring is a fitting time for the draft, because hope springs eternal for fans of downtrodden teams. The rules of the draft specify that teams can choose according to their won-lost records from the previous year, with the worst teams choosing first. The idea is to give the bad teams the early picks to help them become winners.

As it turns out, however, the draft does not play the Robin Hood role particularly well. Indeed, I have written a paper, recently revised, on this subject with Cade Massey, a professor at the Yale School of Management. We found that the teams choosing early in the draft generally don’t, in fact, get the players that provide the most value per dollar. Our paper is titled “The Loser’s Curse” because we discovered that the first pick in the draft is, on average, the least valuable in the entire first round.

That surprising result has implications not only for football, but also for any domain where organizations try to select talent, whether C.E.O.’s or their own “rookies” — newly minted graduates.

Our analysis pivots around the idea that while there is an active trading market for N.F.L. draft picks, the market places too high a value on picking early. A team that wants to select a player before its turn can offer another team a deal in order to “trade up.” Over time, teams have come to agree on the price of such trades by resorting to a table now universally known as the Chart, which assigns a value to each pick in the draft. Alas, the Chart has the “wrong” prices.

If the market for draft picks were “efficient,” meaning that the prices reflected intrinsic value, the resulting value for a team that trades up for a higher pick should be equal to the value of the picks it gives up. The price of moving up is steep: to move from the 11th pick to the 5th pick, for example, a team would have to forfeit its second-round pick as well. To be worth it, the player taken just six picks earlier would have to be a whole lot better — because both of the players given up could have become stars, too.

How confident should a team be that this early pick is better? Suppose we rank all the players at a given position — running back, linebacker, etc. — in the order they were picked in the draft, then compare any two in consecutive order on the list. What do you think is the chance that the player picked higher will turn out to be better — as judged, say, by number of games started in his first five years in the league?

If teams knew nothing, the answer would be 50 percent, as it would be for flipping a coin. If they had perfect knowledge, the answer would be 100 percent. Go ahead, make your guess.

The answer is 52 percent — an outcome that is barely better than that of a coin flip. This means that although the value of players declines throughout the draft, quality declines more slowly than compensation — players picked early are very highly paid. As a result, the first pick in the draft has often provided less value to his team, in performance per dollar, than the last pick in the first round (the one awarded to the Super Bowl winner). In other words, in the world of the N.F.L. draft, the rich get richer.

The league has helped to create this problem in the way it pays rookies. A special salary cap applies to rookies and, unlike the overall salary cap the league uses, it varies across teams. The teams with the first picks get more money to spend on signing their draftees. Since agents know how much a team has been allocated to sign the first-round pick, they demand that amount for their player. As a result, compensation for draft picks declines almost in lock step; the first player gets the most, then the second pick, and so on, with the last player taken in the first round getting only 25 percent of the amount awarded to the first pick.

It turns out that the N.F.L. and the players’ union are trying to renegotiate their collective bargaining agreement. One topic reported to be on the bargaining table is shifting some of the pay away from early draft picks.

The owners and players should find common ground on this issue, because it makes absolutely no sense to be giving so much money to unproven rookies, many of whom turn out to be busts. By reducing the premium paid to the highest draft choices, the league could restore the redistributive goal that the draft was created to achieve. And veteran players would probably agree with the principle that eight-figure salaries should be reserved for players who have already proved themselves on the field.

SO if teams’ ability to select players is only slightly better than flipping coins, should we expect that corporations can do any better in picking their chief executives?

After all, it’s probably easier to predict the performance of football players than of C.E.O.’s. Athletes perform the same job in a very public forum for years, and all aspects of their job are subject to wide critical evaluation. They are also given extensive physical and mental tests. (Yes, it is important for a football player to be smart — and several years of college don’t assure that.)

On the other hand, chief executives hired from outside a particular company have been performing mostly in private. And I’ve never heard of a prospective C.E.O. being given an I.Q. test — or having to run the business version of the 40-yard dash (perhaps a press conference?).

So maybe companies shouldn’t pay big bucks in the desperate hope of getting the equivalent of a Peyton Manning, who was the first overall pick in 1998 and, of course, has proved his superstar value. Instead, maybe they should dig around for a replica of Tom Brady, who was the 199th pick in the 2000 draft and has gone on to play in four Super Bowls, winning three.
 
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The NFL knows this which is why the league wants to renegotiate the rookie salary structure.

 
The problem with the paper is that team's select more then once in a draft. The bargain that is the early second and third round is ignored because that would make their incredible, "freakonomic" insight seam less useful. They also fail to mention, (when they bring up Tom Brady), almost all of the top qbs in the league were first round picks.

 
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GordonGekko said:
Finally, some teams just draft better than others. The Ravens with the 25 are more likely, based on previous drafts, to do more than say the Raiders would at 25. Giving up picks might not be worth it if your franchise historically drafts well. What if they don't? ( Imagine Rat Face drafting another defensive back at 25, the guy has had close to no luck with defensive backs in the draft, he might as well set the 25 pick on fire at that point)
You see two bad picks in a row and see some meaningful trend. I see two bad picks in a row and see dumb luck and random chance. Heck, even old "rat face" had his hits at DB. Deltha O'Neal's 2 pro bowls and 1 first team AP All Pro are both above-average for a first round DB. Domonique Foxworth has 26 starts over the last two years and got big-time bucks from Baltimore in free agency. Darrent Williams was a legitimately very good CB, and it's hardly a poor reflection on Shanny's drafting acumen that Williams' life was cut short. Kenoy Kennedy compiled 99 career starts- a solid accounting for a 2nd rounder. No home runs (although Williams had the potential to be one), but that's four day 1 DBs that outperformed their draft position from a guy that you're holding up as the paragon of inability to draft DBs that outperform their draft position.I agree that some teams draft better than others, but I disagree that we're able to identify which teams are which except at the greatest extremes of the spectrum (i.e. we can be reasonably confident that Baltimore and Indy draft well, and that Cleveland and Oakland draft poorly). For the 80+% of the NFL that resides in the middle of the spectrum, there's pretty much no appreciable difference between "good drafting", "bad drafting", and "dumb luck". Just like Shanny and his DBs. Most of those "bad drafters" are really just average drafters whose coinflips happened to come up tails a couple of times in a row.
 
The problem with the paper is that team's select more then once in a draft. The bargain that is the early second and third round is ignored because that would make their incredible, "freakonomic" insight seam less useful. They also fail to mention, (when they bring up Tom Brady), almost all of the top qbs in the league were first round picks.
4/10 is almost all? One of which is a late 1st. (from the Bradford thread)

1st round (1st overall) - Peyton Manning

2nd round (32nd overall) (FREE AGENT) - Drew Brees

2nd round (33rd overall) (TRADED) - Brett Favre

1st round (24th overall) - Aaron Rodgers

UDFA (FREE AGENT) - Kurt Warner

1st round (4th overall) (TRADED) - Phillip Rivers

6th round (199th overall) - Tom Brady

UDFA - Tony Romo

3rd round (90th overall) (TRADED) - Matt Schaub

1st round (2nd overall) - Donovan McNabb

Let's add the next 10:

Eli Manning - 1.01

Ben Roethlisberger - 1.11

VY - 1.03

Kyle Orton - 4.106

Joe Flacco - 1.18

David Garrard - 4.108

Matt Ryan - 1.03

Matt Hasselbeck - 6.187

Jay Cutler - 1.11

Marc Bulger - 6.168

so that gives us 10 of the top 20 were 1st round picks, but the point of the article seems to be that high 1st round picks aren't worth it, so let's look at "High 1st", "mid-1st", low-1st, and later picks...

High 1st (top 10 picks): 6 of the top 20, including the top QB (top 3 at least), probably just one HOF worthy QB, possibly more but not yet

Peyton Manning

Phillip Rivers

Donovan McNabb

Eli Manning

VY

Matt Ryan

Mid 1st (11-21): 3/20, 2 are very lucky to have gone to great teams, probably not HOF material. We'll see if Cutler can prove himself in Chicago

Ben Roethlisberger

Jay Cutler

Joe Flacco

Low 1st (22-32): 1 of the best in the league but no others (could argue Campbell I suppose), possible HOFer but it's early

Aaron Rodgers

Later: half, including perhaps the best QB ever to play (he's in the conversation at least), a few Super Bowl winners, I'm guessing 4 HOFers.

Drew Brees

Brett Favre

Tom Brady

Kurt Warner

Matt Schaub

Tony Romo

Kyle Orton

David Garrard

Matt Hasselbeck

Marc Bulger

So 30% of your top QBs are high 1sts, but more top and HOF QBs come out of the later picks.

It's possible that you just meant almost all of the current top 3, which I guess is true but still only one of those was a high 1st.

 
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GordonGekko said:
Another thing the article doesn't discuss is that picking high in the first round in your natural slot also means you pick high in EVERY round after that. There's value in having the first pick in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th rounds of the NFL draft.
This is completely irrelevant to the basic premise of the article.
 
The problem with Massey-Thaler is that they're really good at understanding economics but not really good at understanding football. And I don't mean Xes and Oes, but football understanding from a GM's perspective. M-T are essentially arguing that a 9-7 team that spends $60M is better than a 11-5 team that spends $110M. I don't know any football fan that would agree with that.

M-T would probably also say that Tiger Woods is overpaid. Winning the Masters brings in 4-5x as much money as coming in 5th place in the Masters. M-T would probably argue that there's no way you can justify that, and that the Masters champion was not 4-5x as good as the guy who came in 5th place, so why should he be paid 4-5x as much?

 
The problem with Massey-Thaler is that they're really good at understanding economics but not really good at understanding football. And I don't mean Xes and Oes, but football understanding from a GM's perspective. M-T are essentially arguing that a 9-7 team that spends $60M is better than a 11-5 team that spends $110M. I don't know any football fan that would agree with that.

M-T would probably also say that Tiger Woods is overpaid. Winning the Masters brings in 4-5x as much money as coming in 5th place in the Masters. M-T would probably argue that there's no way you can justify that, and that the Masters champion was not 4-5x as good as the guy who came in 5th place, so why should he be paid 4-5x as much?
Chase - why do you say that the bolded is what they are essentially arguing? I took away something very different.
 
M-T would probably also say that Tiger Woods is overpaid. Winning the Masters brings in 4-5x as much money as coming in 5th place in the Masters. M-T would probably argue that there's no way you can justify that, and that the Masters champion was not 4-5x as good as the guy who came in 5th place, so why should he be paid 4-5x as much?
Are we reading the same article? They're talking about value to their team, paying proven players, the value/price of moving up in the draft, confidence that the player paid more is better than the lower drafted/paid player, and making the organization better through the draft. The article does mention performance per dollar, but I take that in this context that performance means how much the player helps his team win, not simply "he plays X position Y much better which is worth $Z" - maybe that is all he means, but it's still a team sport vs. an individual event. Tiger is a horrible comparison to a football draft and to hiring CEOs. I don't think they'd say anything of the sort.
 
M-T would probably also say that Tiger Woods is overpaid. Winning the Masters brings in 4-5x as much money as coming in 5th place in the Masters. M-T would probably argue that there's no way you can justify that, and that the Masters champion was not 4-5x as good as the guy who came in 5th place, so why should he be paid 4-5x as much?
Are we reading the same article? They're talking about value to their team, paying proven players, the value/price of moving up in the draft, confidence that the player paid more is better than the lower drafted/paid player, and making the organization better through the draft. The article does mention performance per dollar, but I take that in this context that performance means how much the player helps his team win, not simply "he plays X position Y much better which is worth $Z" - maybe that is all he means, but it's still a team sport vs. an individual event. Tiger is a horrible comparison to a football draft and to hiring CEOs. I don't think they'd say anything of the sort.
The entire article focuses on player salary. M-T admit that early players are better than late players; the argument is that the drop-off in talent is not commensurate with the drop-off in price. Tournament pay, and therefore golf pay, is an apt comparison. Just like hiring a CEO is. (One difference is that in the golf scenario, we're dealing with certainties, not probabilities, but that does not change the analysis.)
 
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daveR said:
Maybe the NFL should go auction instead of draft...
Yes, but that would only increase the salaries paid to rookies.I do think it's arguable that with a salary floor and a salary cap, a draft is no longer necessary to promote parity. Some teams in less attractive cities/with poorer owners (i.e., lower signing bonuses) might still be slightly disadvantaged, but I don't think parity would be threatened (teams now have bad coaches/GMs, too).
 
daveR said:
Maybe the NFL should go auction instead of draft...
Yes, but that would only increase the salaries paid to rookies.I do think it's arguable that with a salary floor and a salary cap, a draft is no longer necessary to promote parity. Some teams in less attractive cities/with poorer owners (i.e., lower signing bonuses) might still be slightly disadvantaged, but I don't think parity would be threatened (teams now have bad coaches/GMs, too).
I have no problem seeing rookies get paid whatever the market will bear and think an auction would be pure awesomeness to watch. I agree that the salary cap is sufficient for promoting parity. The NFL should be about equal opportunity, not equal outcomes.
 
GordonGekko said:
Michael Fox said:
Chase Stuart said:
The problem with Massey-Thaler is that they're really good at understanding economics but not really good at understanding football. And I don't mean Xes and Oes, but football understanding from a GM's perspective. M-T are essentially arguing that a 9-7 team that spends $60M is better than a 11-5 team that spends $110M. I don't know any football fan that would agree with that.

M-T would probably also say that Tiger Woods is overpaid. Winning the Masters brings in 4-5x as much money as coming in 5th place in the Masters. M-T would probably argue that there's no way you can justify that, and that the Masters champion was not 4-5x as good as the guy who came in 5th place, so why should he be paid 4-5x as much?
Chase - why do you say that the bolded is what they are essentially arguing? I took away something very different.
I'm going to agree with Chase Stuart on this one ( after all, it's not a Rooney Rule topic)

An NFL season has 16 games, and in each game won or lost, there are clearly identifiable plays that likely swung the momentum or changed the dynamic of that outcome. If the MT article discussed MLB or the NBA, that might be a bit different as those seasons are very long and incremental differences may not mean as much. The difference between making the playoffs or not can come down to one game won or lost during the season. Is it worth it to spend 20 million more to win one more game? Well if you make the playoffs and get on a hot streak there and win a playoff game or two, what's that worth to your franchise in terms of leverage with your host city ( maybe to get a new stadium) or simply dollars if you can get a home playoff game versus not.

MT is citing that there are incremental differences but with payroll disparity. Well incremental differences actually mean a lot in the NFL.

Take the 2008 draft. Ryan Clady went 12th overall to the Broncos. He's been a Pro Bowl player and his rookie year, only gave up half a sack and three penalties while making every start, which is pretty out of this world for a rookie LT. Jake Long went 1st overall and got 30 million guaranteed but is also a Pro Bowler. Ryan Clady made much less than that in salary for his rookie contract. You could argue that MT is right, that the production of a higher pick might not equal out to his production against a lower pick. But it's all relative, what about Branden Albert? Chris Williams? Cherilus? Otah? Sam Baker? Duane Brown? These were all other first round selections along the O line who were even more cheaper to pay than Long and somewhat cheaper to pay than Clady. What is the value of saving yourself or giving up maybe 2-3 more sacks or 5-6 more QB hits a season? ( Long gave up 2.5 sacks his rookie year, 2 more than Clady) Is that worth 30 million? What is the dollar value of those 2 sacks? Are those few plays worth the difference in the salary for the 1 slot and the 12 slot? What if one of those plays means Chad Henne gets his knee blown out? What if one of those plays meant that Jay Cutler didn't? Would the Patriots spend 30 more million in 2008 for their O line if it meant Tom Brady didn't lose his entire season on that one play? What about the next season when Brady had to shake off the rust and get his rhythm back while all of the Patriots core players got one year older, what was that worth in dollars? What is the value to a franchise of making the playoffs ( the Patriots didn't that year)? What is the value to the franchise in resigning it's own players or FAs to more reasonable contracts when you are a consistent winner and win in the playoffs? What is the value to the franchise to raising it's esteem in it's host city to try to get a new stadium? Consider in 2009, Clady gave up 8 sacks and Long gave up 4. What was the value of those 4 sacks? The MT article doesn't spotlight that along a career track, two players in the same round via comparison might seesaw in terms of performance, even if both are elite players.

There are just some situations where incremental differences simply have a huge impact on an outcome. ( Would NASA rather spend another million dollars to get better quality parts for it's space program or what is the cost, emotional and bottom line, of having a shuttle blow up on live TV in front of the entire American public along with the rest of the world?)
It's almost like you shuffle your replies so that they aren't aligned to the original post you are commenting on.
 
daveR said:
Maybe the NFL should go auction instead of draft...
Yes, but that would only increase the salaries paid to rookies.I do think it's arguable that with a salary floor and a salary cap, a draft is no longer necessary to promote parity. Some teams in less attractive cities/with poorer owners (i.e., lower signing bonuses) might still be slightly disadvantaged, but I don't think parity would be threatened (teams now have bad coaches/GMs, too).
I have no problem seeing rookies get paid whatever the market will bear and think an auction would be pure awesomeness to watch. I agree that the salary cap is sufficient for promoting parity. The NFL should be about equal opportunity, not equal outcomes.
One aspect of the draft that seems to be neglected in this discussion is that draft picks are often equated with hope. A team that is doing poorly during the season can look forward to the draft as the opportunity (not guarantee, but that's not the point) to get an impact player during next year's draft. That team's fanbase, which may have little to look forward to otherwise, can start focusing on the draft and debating what their favorite team will do. Unfortunately, that hope is sometimes never realized when a team consistently makes poor selections, but it is the process of hope and anticipation which is important for the teams at the bottom.
 
daveR said:
Maybe the NFL should go auction instead of draft...
Yes, but that would only increase the salaries paid to rookies.I do think it's arguable that with a salary floor and a salary cap, a draft is no longer necessary to promote parity. Some teams in less attractive cities/with poorer owners (i.e., lower signing bonuses) might still be slightly disadvantaged, but I don't think parity would be threatened (teams now have bad coaches/GMs, too).
I have no problem seeing rookies get paid whatever the market will bear and think an auction would be pure awesomeness to watch. I agree that the salary cap is sufficient for promoting parity. The NFL should be about equal opportunity, not equal outcomes.
One aspect of the draft that seems to be neglected in this discussion is that draft picks are often equated with hope. A team that is doing poorly during the season can look forward to the draft as the opportunity (not guarantee, but that's not the point) to get an impact player during next year's draft. That team's fanbase, which may have little to look forward to otherwise, can start focusing on the draft and debating what their favorite team will do. Unfortunately, that hope is sometimes never realized when a team consistently makes poor selections, but it is the process of hope and anticipation which is important for the teams at the bottom.
That same hope might be realized in an auction format. A poor team could clear cap space during the offseason and make a concerted effort to win the rights to two or three "first round" type players, possibly shoring up several positions in a single bound.
 
Chase Stuart said:
The problem with Massey-Thaler is that they're really good at understanding economics but not really good at understanding football. And I don't mean Xes and Oes, but football understanding from a GM's perspective. M-T are essentially arguing that a 9-7 team that spends $60M is better than a 11-5 team that spends $110M. I don't know any football fan that would agree with that.

M-T would probably also say that Tiger Woods is overpaid. Winning the Masters brings in 4-5x as much money as coming in 5th place in the Masters. M-T would probably argue that there's no way you can justify that, and that the Masters champion was not 4-5x as good as the guy who came in 5th place, so why should he be paid 4-5x as much?
Unless they stated so explicitly, I don't think it's logical to assume they are working from an assumption a savings of money is pocketed by the owners, compared to being used to field a better remaining roster.

 
Chase Stuart said:
The problem with Massey-Thaler is that they're really good at understanding economics but not really good at understanding football. And I don't mean Xes and Oes, but football understanding from a GM's perspective. M-T are essentially arguing that a 9-7 team that spends $60M is better than a 11-5 team that spends $110M. I don't know any football fan that would agree with that.

M-T would probably also say that Tiger Woods is overpaid. Winning the Masters brings in 4-5x as much money as coming in 5th place in the Masters. M-T would probably argue that there's no way you can justify that, and that the Masters champion was not 4-5x as good as the guy who came in 5th place, so why should he be paid 4-5x as much?
Unless they stated so explicitly, I don't think it's logical to assume they are working from an assumption a savings of money is pocketed by the owners, compared to being used to field a better remaining roster.
Whether they realize it or not, that's exactly what they're saying. The other option besides pocketing the money is giving it to free agents, and M-T could easily come out with a similar paper saying how the 10 most expensive free agent signings every year provide less value, per dollar, the free agent signings #11 to #20.
 
That same hope might be realized in an auction format. A poor team could clear cap space during the offseason and make a concerted effort to win the rights to two or three "first round" type players, possibly shoring up several positions in a single bound.
That's a good point. Unfortunately, it's probably not feasible because there are other factors in place, such as players refusing to sign because they didn't get auctioned for enough value to suit them, and union opposition to a system that would encourage the dropping of veteran players even more than already occurs. Additionally, there are always a few teams that just can't spend up to the cap level because of financial difficulties.I'm not trying to say that the current system is ideal by any stretch. Some teams would do anything not to have to pay an OL or DT 30 million plus guaranteed. Still, most fans of a last place team feel they need that guarantee of having the top draft choice to get the best young prospect. Losing out to a team that just won their division simply because that team has more cap space to play with isn't a very palatable situation for the have-nots, and wouldn't do much to increase parity.
 
Chase Stuart said:
The problem with Massey-Thaler is that they're really good at understanding economics but not really good at understanding football. And I don't mean Xes and Oes, but football understanding from a GM's perspective. M-T are essentially arguing that a 9-7 team that spends $60M is better than a 11-5 team that spends $110M. I don't know any football fan that would agree with that.

M-T would probably also say that Tiger Woods is overpaid. Winning the Masters brings in 4-5x as much money as coming in 5th place in the Masters. M-T would probably argue that there's no way you can justify that, and that the Masters champion was not 4-5x as good as the guy who came in 5th place, so why should he be paid 4-5x as much?
Unless they stated so explicitly, I don't think it's logical to assume they are working from an assumption a savings of money is pocketed by the owners, compared to being used to field a better remaining roster.
Whether they realize it or not, that's exactly what they're saying. The other option besides pocketing the money is giving it to free agents, and M-T could easily come out with a similar paper saying how the 10 most expensive free agent signings every year provide less value, per dollar, the free agent signings #11 to #20.
Teams can use it in free agency. They can also re-sign players before they reach free agency which should bring them more value per dollar overall since the team has more negotiating leverage.You're making far more assumptions about the outcome of your hypothetical study of free agents than the assumptions you're accusing them of making that it's not even clear they made. While the top free agents may indeed be overpaid, their performance per cost may still be a lot better than it is for the top draft picks. It wouldn't be surprising to find that was the case given FAs actually become the top free agents for having shown they can perform well in the NFL while the rookies it is speculation without real NFL performance to base it on. You're making a lot of assumptions to back up your position about a study that they haven't done.

I don't think you're wrong to say there's more to it than just saving some money on draft picks... that money does have to be put to use to make the team better. But I disagree that you can boil down what they are saying as far as you've done in your statement.

 
Chase Stuart said:
The problem with Massey-Thaler is that they're really good at understanding economics but not really good at understanding football. And I don't mean Xes and Oes, but football understanding from a GM's perspective. M-T are essentially arguing that a 9-7 team that spends $60M is better than a 11-5 team that spends $110M. I don't know any football fan that would agree with that.

M-T would probably also say that Tiger Woods is overpaid. Winning the Masters brings in 4-5x as much money as coming in 5th place in the Masters. M-T would probably argue that there's no way you can justify that, and that the Masters champion was not 4-5x as good as the guy who came in 5th place, so why should he be paid 4-5x as much?
Unless they stated so explicitly, I don't think it's logical to assume they are working from an assumption a savings of money is pocketed by the owners, compared to being used to field a better remaining roster.
Whether they realize it or not, that's exactly what they're saying. The other option besides pocketing the money is giving it to free agents, and M-T could easily come out with a similar paper saying how the 10 most expensive free agent signings every year provide less value, per dollar, the free agent signings #11 to #20.
Teams can use it in free agency. They can also re-sign players before they reach free agency which should bring them more value per dollar overall since the team has more negotiating leverage.You're making far more assumptions about the outcome of your hypothetical study of free agents than the assumptions you're accusing them of making that it's not even clear they made. While the top free agents may indeed be overpaid, their performance per cost may still be a lot better than it is for the top draft picks. It wouldn't be surprising to find that was the case given FAs actually become the top free agents for having shown they can perform well in the NFL while the rookies it is speculation without real NFL performance to base it on. You're making a lot of assumptions to back up your position about a study that they haven't done.

I don't think you're wrong to say there's more to it than just saving some money on draft picks... that money does have to be put to use to make the team better. But I disagree that you can boil down what they are saying as far as you've done in your statement.
Precisely.
 
FUBAR said:
(from the Bradford thread)

1st round (1st overall) - Peyton Manning

2nd round (32nd overall) (TRADED) - Drew Brees

2nd round (33rd overall) (TRADED) - Brett Favre

1st round (24th overall) - Aaron Rodgers

UDFA (FREE AGENT) - Kurt Warner

1st round (4th overall) (TRADED) - Phillip Rivers

6th round (199th overall) - Tom Brady

UDFA - Tony Romo

3rd round (90th overall) (TRADED) - Matt Schaub

1st round (2nd overall) - Donovan McNabb
Brees was Traded?

 
Chase Stuart said:
M-T are essentially arguing that a 9-7 team that spends $60M is better than a 11-5 team that spends $110M.
M-T's assertion that the Chart is wrong depends on the existence of a salary cap.If their conclusion is wrong, I don't think it can be for the reason you mention.
 
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That same hope might be realized in an auction format. A poor team could clear cap space during the offseason and make a concerted effort to win the rights to two or three "first round" type players, possibly shoring up several positions in a single bound.
That's a good point. Unfortunately, it's probably not feasible because there are other factors in place, such as players refusing to sign because they didn't get auctioned for enough value to suit them, and union opposition to a system that would encourage the dropping of veteran players even more than already occurs. Additionally, there are always a few teams that just can't spend up to the cap level because of financial difficulties.I'm not trying to say that the current system is ideal by any stretch. Some teams would do anything not to have to pay an OL or DT 30 million plus guaranteed. Still, most fans of a last place team feel they need that guarantee of having the top draft choice to get the best young prospect. Losing out to a team that just won their division simply because that team has more cap space to play with isn't a very palatable situation for the have-nots, and wouldn't do much to increase parity.
Since all Number 1s aren't created equal (though they're paid like they are), I guess I don't see where the problems you've listed are any bigger than the ones we have now with a draft, where an artificial negotiating structure is inherent. I'm not sure why a rookie who has received multiple bids for his services on the open market would think that he failed to receive a fair salary offer. And I certainly don't have a problem with one team managing its cap better than others.
 
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A real life auction format of player allocation would cause a significantly higher amount of roster volatility, IMO. That would not be a good thing. The draft system will be fine once they figure out a more reasonable rookie salary methodology. I think a base plus incentive structure would work best. Make the incentives tied to personal and team achievement. This would solve the problem presented in this paper.

The trade value chart is a way overrated. Using it as some sort of base might have some purpose I suppose, but the reality is that the valuations between slots can change dramatically from one year to the next depending on the players involved in each particular draft. Another major problem is that the trade value chart doesn't account for who is soliciting the deal. A team calling to trade down generally will not get as much value as one that gets a call from a team looking to trade up.

I completely agree with the poster who noted the valuation difference in the "swing" picks. Teams analyze each others needs heading into a draft to determine the likelihood of picks and this process adjusts as each name comes off the board. Having an idea of what others are likely trying to do creates tremendous opportunity for strategic trading tactics around swing picks. It also allows for playing two or three teams holding slots right next to each other against one another to extract the most value out of a situation.

Any GM that just looks at that stupid chart when making a trade is a fool and is likely getting hosed in the deal. There's just SO much more that goes into the analysis.

 
I agree that the salary cap is sufficient for promoting parity.
I don't think you really mean that. Even in a world with a salary cap, if the Super Bowl winner got to choose the 45 rookies it liked best each year, the Super Bowl loser got the choose the next 45 rookies, and the remaining teams held a draft for the rest, I don't think that parity would be sufficiently promoted.If your point is that the draft need not be explicitly designed to promote parity, I can get on board with that. But if you believe that the draft need not be designed to avoid destroying parity, I would disagree.Massey & Thaler's assertion is that the current draft, when combined with the current rookie cap in conjunction with the salary cap, as parity-destroying effects. I don't know that they're right. But if they are, I think that's a point in favor of revising the current system.
 
Chase Stuart said:
The problem with Massey-Thaler is that they're really good at understanding economics but not really good at understanding football. And I don't mean Xes and Oes, but football understanding from a GM's perspective. M-T are essentially arguing that a 9-7 team that spends $60M is better than a 11-5 team that spends $110M. I don't know any football fan that would agree with that.

M-T would probably also say that Tiger Woods is overpaid. Winning the Masters brings in 4-5x as much money as coming in 5th place in the Masters. M-T would probably argue that there's no way you can justify that, and that the Masters champion was not 4-5x as good as the guy who came in 5th place, so why should he be paid 4-5x as much?
Unless they stated so explicitly, I don't think it's logical to assume they are working from an assumption a savings of money is pocketed by the owners, compared to being used to field a better remaining roster.
Whether they realize it or not, that's exactly what they're saying.
Given the presence of a salary cap, I think that's exactly not what they're saying.
The other option besides pocketing the money is giving it to free agents, and M-T could easily come out with a similar paper saying how the 10 most expensive free agent signings every year provide less value, per dollar, the free agent signings #11 to #20.
How so?
 
I'd be interested in seeing how any sort statistical analysis on this subject valued players like Peyton Manning, Orlando Pace, Deion Sanders and John Elway. Obviously these are players that were worth their draft position, but to have any sort of fair determination of you have to be able to assign value beyond just pass/fail. You can't just say Manning was worth the top pick overall money but Couch wasn't so that's 50/50. Because Manning represented a huge reward, far beyond just one good draft selection. People trade up to the early part of the draft to take a shot at getting a truly great player and while you can find great players anywhere the odds are by far greater with the early picks. For example, if Bradford has a 20% chances of being the next Peyton Manning and a 80% chance of being a bust, I'd still take him #1 overall if I'm the Rams. The benefits of hitting on one of those true difference making players is huge and that needs to be represented in any sort of determination of value of the early draft selection.

 
That same hope might be realized in an auction format. A poor team could clear cap space during the offseason and make a concerted effort to win the rights to two or three "first round" type players, possibly shoring up several positions in a single bound.
That's a good point. Unfortunately, it's probably not feasible because there are other factors in place, such as players refusing to sign because they didn't get auctioned for enough value to suit them, and union opposition to a system that would encourage the dropping of veteran players even more than already occurs.
Is that substantially different from a player refusing to sign because he wasn't drafted high enough to suit him (a la Michael Crabtree)?Also, I can't see how changing to an auction format would alter the ratio of veterans to rookies in the league. The same number of rookies would be in camp. Why expect them to perform better there than they do under the current system? (Or why expect them to be cheaper than they are under the current system?)
 
I agree that the salary cap is sufficient for promoting parity.
I don't think you really mean that. Even in a world with a salary cap, if the Super Bowl winner got to choose the 45 rookies it liked best each year, the Super Bowl loser got the choose the next 45 rookies, and the remaining teams held a draft for the rest, I don't think that parity would be sufficiently promoted.If your point is that the draft need not be explicitly designed to promote parity, I can get on board with that. But if you believe that the draft need not be designed to avoid destroying parity, I would disagree.Massey & Thaler's assertion is that the current draft, when combined with the current rookie cap in conjunction with the salary cap, as parity-destroying effects. I don't know that they're right. But if they are, I think that's a point in favor of revising the current system.
You lost me. But maybe that's because I'm making some base assumptions that you're not. It may be deviating from the original point of the thread but I'm advocating for the abolition of the draft altogether, partly because of the points M-T are making.
 
That same hope might be realized in an auction format. A poor team could clear cap space during the offseason and make a concerted effort to win the rights to two or three "first round" type players, possibly shoring up several positions in a single bound.
That's a good point. Unfortunately, it's probably not feasible because there are other factors in place, such as players refusing to sign because they didn't get auctioned for enough value to suit them, and union opposition to a system that would encourage the dropping of veteran players even more than already occurs. Additionally, there are always a few teams that just can't spend up to the cap level because of financial difficulties.I'm not trying to say that the current system is ideal by any stretch. Some teams would do anything not to have to pay an OL or DT 30 million plus guaranteed. Still, most fans of a last place team feel they need that guarantee of having the top draft choice to get the best young prospect. Losing out to a team that just won their division simply because that team has more cap space to play with isn't a very palatable situation for the have-nots, and wouldn't do much to increase parity.
Since all Number 1s aren't created equal (though they're paid like they are), I guess I don't see where the problems you've listed are any bigger than the ones we have now with a draft, where an artificial negotiating structure is inherent in the structure. I'm not sure why a rookie who has received multiple bids for his services on the open market would think that he failed to receive a fair salary offer. And I certainly don't have a problem with one team managing its cap better than others.
I agree entirely with your statement about the artifical negotiating structure that currently exists. It's foolish and wastes the time and effort of all parties involved. But that doesn't mean that the draft should be done away with entirely. I don't see anything unjust with putting a limit on compensation for draft picks. However, I guess that's probably not the real discussion here.I found this comment quite interesting: "I'm not sure why a rookie who has received multiple bids for his services on the open market would think that he failed to receive a fair salary offer." I would say that's exactly what would happen if a WR receives five bids that max out at $15 million, yet another WR only receives one bid but at $25 million. Think DHB and Crabtree last year. Crabs held out because he felt he should get more money than the other guy who got taken ahead of him. Again, I'm not saying that either system is right, but I don't see how an auction system reduces the inequity that exists in rookie compensation. There's always going to be one foolish owner who decides to overpay, unless he is restricted from doing so by league rules.

Finally, I agree that I don't have a personal problem with one team managing their cap better than others. However, the NFL is especially proud of their parity and I believe they would protect that parity at all costs. Instituting a system which increases the potential gap between the top and bottom is probably not in their perceived "best interests". I don't see how an auction system is feasible under that expressed goal.

 
I agree that the salary cap is sufficient for promoting parity.
I don't think you really mean that. Even in a world with a salary cap, if the Super Bowl winner got to choose the 45 rookies it liked best each year, the Super Bowl loser got the choose the next 45 rookies, and the remaining teams held a draft for the rest, I don't think that parity would be sufficiently promoted.If your point is that the draft need not be explicitly designed to promote parity, I can get on board with that. But if you believe that the draft need not be designed to avoid destroying parity, I would disagree.Massey & Thaler's assertion is that the current draft, when combined with the current rookie cap in conjunction with the salary cap, as parity-destroying effects. I don't know that they're right. But if they are, I think that's a point in favor of revising the current system.
You lost me. But maybe that's because I'm making some base assumptions that you're not. It may be deviating from the original point of the thread but I'm advocating for the abolition of the draft altogether, partly because of the points M-T are making.
But the points M-T are making don't necessarily support abolishing the draft. Rather, they support a rookie wage scale which is more rational and tied to likely performance than the outcome that exists today.
 
GordonGekko said:
Another thing the article doesn't discuss is that picking high in the first round in your natural slot also means you pick high in EVERY round after that. There's value in having the first pick in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th rounds of the NFL draft.
The article makes a few points.The two most interesting ones, IMO, are that "the Chart" is way off, and that teams apply such an absurdly steep discount rate to future picks. These points have nothing to do with the fact that picking at 1.01 also means picking at 2.01 and 3.01.

Another point they make is that the draft fails to promote parity, and in fact has the opposite effect. In making this point, they do discuss the point you mention. They show that, according to their model, 1.01 + 2.01 + 3.01 . . . + 7.01 has less value than 1.32 + 2.32 + 3.32 . . . + 7.32.

 
I agree that the salary cap is sufficient for promoting parity.
I don't think you really mean that. Even in a world with a salary cap, if the Super Bowl winner got to choose the 45 rookies it liked best each year, the Super Bowl loser got the choose the next 45 rookies, and the remaining teams held a draft for the rest, I don't think that parity would be sufficiently promoted.If your point is that the draft need not be explicitly designed to promote parity, I can get on board with that. But if you believe that the draft need not be designed to avoid destroying parity, I would disagree.Massey & Thaler's assertion is that the current draft, when combined with the current rookie cap in conjunction with the salary cap, as parity-destroying effects. I don't know that they're right. But if they are, I think that's a point in favor of revising the current system.
You lost me. But maybe that's because I'm making some base assumptions that you're not. It may be deviating from the original point of the thread but I'm advocating for the abolition of the draft altogether, partly because of the points M-T are making.
More likely it's because I was skimming the thread and responded to a particular sentence of yours that I may have taken out of context.
 
I found this comment quite interesting: "I'm not sure why a rookie who has received multiple bids for his services on the open market would think that he failed to receive a fair salary offer." I would say that's exactly what would happen if a WR receives five bids that max out at $15 million, yet another WR only receives one bid but at $25 million. Think DHB and Crabtree last year. Crabs held out because he felt he should get more money than the other guy who got taken ahead of him. Again, I'm not saying that either system is right, but I don't see how an auction system reduces the inequity that exists in rookie compensation. There's always going to be one foolish owner who decides to overpay, unless he is restricted from doing so by league rules.Finally, I agree that I don't have a personal problem with one team managing their cap better than others. However, the NFL is especially proud of their parity and I believe they would protect that parity at all costs. Instituting a system which increases the potential gap between the top and bottom is probably not in their perceived "best interests". I don't see how an auction system is feasible under that expressed goal.
Maurile touched on the first point in an earlier post but I would add that a rookie would have less support for his case to be paid more in an open bidding system than he does now in the exlusionary current system. Heyward-Bey may have gotten less under an auction system than he would have in the draft but Crabtree may well have gotten more. I don't really care if this is true or not, however. I just care that a player would be more likely to find his right price under an open bidding system than he does in a draft.Your second point illustrates why I am tilting at windmills with this idea (but then from tiny acorns do mighty oak trees grow -- see Yankee23fan and his FairTax crusade). It's very true that the NFL wants its parity above all else, even at the cost of subsidizing its less capable franchises. I think it's also true that owners, GMs and coaches would hate the decision-making pressure of a televised auction.
 
I agree that the salary cap is sufficient for promoting parity.
I don't think you really mean that. Even in a world with a salary cap, if the Super Bowl winner got to choose the 45 rookies it liked best each year, the Super Bowl loser got the choose the next 45 rookies, and the remaining teams held a draft for the rest, I don't think that parity would be sufficiently promoted.If your point is that the draft need not be explicitly designed to promote parity, I can get on board with that. But if you believe that the draft need not be designed to avoid destroying parity, I would disagree.Massey & Thaler's assertion is that the current draft, when combined with the current rookie cap in conjunction with the salary cap, as parity-destroying effects. I don't know that they're right. But if they are, I think that's a point in favor of revising the current system.
You lost me. But maybe that's because I'm making some base assumptions that you're not. It may be deviating from the original point of the thread but I'm advocating for the abolition of the draft altogether, partly because of the points M-T are making.
But the points M-T are making don't necessarily support abolishing the draft. Rather, they support a rookie wage scale which is more rational and tied to likely performance than the outcome that exists today.
I apologize if I've hijacked the thread from its original discussion point. I just thought it was the logical evolution in the discussion. Carry on without me if no one is interested in my wild-eyed dreaming. :shrug: FTR, I hate the thought of a rookie wage scale.
 
I agree that the salary cap is sufficient for promoting parity.
I don't think you really mean that. Even in a world with a salary cap, if the Super Bowl winner got to choose the 45 rookies it liked best each year, the Super Bowl loser got the choose the next 45 rookies, and the remaining teams held a draft for the rest, I don't think that parity would be sufficiently promoted.If your point is that the draft need not be explicitly designed to promote parity, I can get on board with that. But if you believe that the draft need not be designed to avoid destroying parity, I would disagree.Massey & Thaler's assertion is that the current draft, when combined with the current rookie cap in conjunction with the salary cap, as parity-destroying effects. I don't know that they're right. But if they are, I think that's a point in favor of revising the current system.
You lost me. But maybe that's because I'm making some base assumptions that you're not. It may be deviating from the original point of the thread but I'm advocating for the abolition of the draft altogether, partly because of the points M-T are making.
But the points M-T are making don't necessarily support abolishing the draft. Rather, they support a rookie wage scale which is more rational and tied to likely performance than the outcome that exists today.
I apologize if I've hijacked the thread from its original discussion point. I just thought it was the logical evolution in the discussion. Carry on without me if no one is interested in my wild-eyed dreaming. :lol: FTR, I hate the thought of a rookie wage scale.
I don't mind taking it that direction at all. Maybe that was MT's point in posting this originally, I have no idea. Just wasn't really sure how it tied to the OP.
 
I'd say everything in this topic is a logical extension of the original post. The current draft system is flawed, at least according to the original article and the consensus of the posters here. Now we're all talking about either the article, or potential improvements.

I will think further on this while in class today. Hmmm, auctions...

 
Chase Stuart said:
M-T are essentially arguing that a 9-7 team that spends $60M is better than a 11-5 team that spends $110M.
M-T's assertion that the Chart is wrong depends on the existence of a salary cap.If their conclusion is wrong, I don't think it can be for the reason you mention.
Whether the chart is wrong depends on a complex analysis of player value (one that M-T did not perform, IMO). But M-T is saying that better picks are worth more, just that they're not worth "that" much more. The bricklayers/gladiators example I linked to earlier shows why M-T fails to understand exactly how football works. You can't just pick and choose and say which players are overpaid; you need some overpaid players on your team in order to maximize team ability. An overpaid right tackle that's better than an underpaid right tackle is more valuable to you if you're not going to do anything extra with the cash (and, if as M-T suggests, you're constantly maximizing player value relative to salary, you might have already filled out your entire roster). At some point, you need to overpay people/don't look for the bargain basement deal. Peyton Manning may not be 10x as good as Kyle Orton, but it's not unreasonable to want to pay him $20M instead of paying Kyle Orton $2M.
 
The article makes a few points.

The two most interesting ones, IMO, are that "the Chart" is way off, and that teams apply such an absurdly steep discount rate to future picks. These points have nothing to do with the fact that picking at 1.01 also means picking at 2.01 and 3.01.

Another point they make is that the draft fails to promote parity, and in fact has the opposite effect. In making this point, they do discuss the point you mention. They show that, according to their model, 1.01 + 2.01 + 3.01 . . . + 7.01 has less value than 1.32 + 2.32 + 3.32 . . . + 7.32.
:moneybag: The chart by itself without adjustments is garbage.

The reason why this second point is true is that high round one rookies get paid too much $$$. The extra financial committment in terms of the overall organization combined with the higher salary cap committment creates such a penalty for picking high that more than offsets the reasonable expactation for added value from the position of the pick. This is especially true when you have teams making dumb picks every year letting studs fall to the better teams at the tail end of round one. Bottom line is under the current rookie salary structure, I would almost always trade down if I had a very high first round pick.

Later rounds are irrelevant to this article and discussion as all those picks are paid peanuts in comparison. This is purely a financial problem. The draft no longer gives an advantage to the lower end teams in round one, where the best players typically come out. This risk/reward just doesn't seem to match unless you are VERY sure of a player's future stud potential.

 
GordonGekko said:
Another thing the article doesn't discuss is that picking high in the first round in your natural slot also means you pick high in EVERY round after that. There's value in having the first pick in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th rounds of the NFL draft.
The article makes a few points.The two most interesting ones, IMO, are that "the Chart" is way off, and that teams apply such an absurdly steep discount rate to future picks. These points have nothing to do with the fact that picking at 1.01 also means picking at 2.01 and 3.01.

Another point they make is that the draft fails to promote parity, and in fact has the opposite effect. In making this point, they do discuss the point you mention. They show that, according to their model, 1.01 + 2.01 + 3.01 . . . + 7.01 has less value than 1.32 + 2.32 + 3.32 . . . + 7.32.
The draft doesn't fail to promote parity, but it obviously is less adept at promoting parity than if all rookies were paid $200,000. Whenever you have to pay more to get better stuff, the people paying more to get better stuff are less better off than if all stuff cost the same.
 
Whenever you have to pay more to get better stuff, the people paying more to get better stuff are less better off than if all stuff cost the same.
The multi-million dollar question is how much more for how much better? And the complexity of the answer completely scewes the intended notion of providing the lower-end teams an advantage in round one, the most important round of the draft.
 
Chase Stuart said:
The problem with Massey-Thaler is that they're really good at understanding economics but not really good at understanding football. And I don't mean Xes and Oes, but football understanding from a GM's perspective. M-T are essentially arguing that a 9-7 team that spends $60M is better than a 11-5 team that spends $110M. I don't know any football fan that would agree with that.

M-T would probably also say that Tiger Woods is overpaid. Winning the Masters brings in 4-5x as much money as coming in 5th place in the Masters. M-T would probably argue that there's no way you can justify that, and that the Masters champion was not 4-5x as good as the guy who came in 5th place, so why should he be paid 4-5x as much?
Unless they stated so explicitly, I don't think it's logical to assume they are working from an assumption a savings of money is pocketed by the owners, compared to being used to field a better remaining roster.
Whether they realize it or not, that's exactly what they're saying. The other option besides pocketing the money is giving it to free agents, and M-T could easily come out with a similar paper saying how the 10 most expensive free agent signings every year provide less value, per dollar, the free agent signings #11 to #20.
Teams can use it in free agency. They can also re-sign players before they reach free agency which should bring them more value per dollar overall since the team has more negotiating leverage.You're making far more assumptions about the outcome of your hypothetical study of free agents than the assumptions you're accusing them of making that it's not even clear they made. While the top free agents may indeed be overpaid, their performance per cost may still be a lot better than it is for the top draft picks. It wouldn't be surprising to find that was the case given FAs actually become the top free agents for having shown they can perform well in the NFL while the rookies it is speculation without real NFL performance to base it on. You're making a lot of assumptions to back up your position about a study that they haven't done.

I don't think you're wrong to say there's more to it than just saving some money on draft picks... that money does have to be put to use to make the team better. But I disagree that you can boil down what they are saying as far as you've done in your statement.
Sure, teams can re-sign players before free agency. But that won't help them in the current season. I agree that using extra money to sign players before they reach free agency can be a wise move, but we're only talking about three or four players per team where you'd want to do that.My point is that I don't think M-T have done the work to see what's the better way to use your capital. So that's why I'm assuming that -- the burden is on them to show that you need to use your money this way, not that way. Because just saying this way is bad doesn't mean anything; think of the old Churchill quote. "Democracy is the worst form of government, except for everything else." I think that's very likely what's going on in this paper, saying spending lots of money on high picks is a bad way to win football games, except for everything else. To the economist focused on efficiency, everything looks bad.

Think of one of the largest issues facing NFL teams -- where do you get a QB? Well, many pundits always shout to never draft a QB high because so many of them bust. "Drafting a QB high in the first round is the worst idea, except for everything else." Why? Because far more first round QBs are successful than 2nd, or 3rd or 4th or 5th or 6th or 7th round picks. And free agent QBs usually aren't very good. And trading for a QB usually isn't very good. In fact, the bust rate for first round QBs might just be lower than every other option. You can take Kellen Clemens in the 2nd round or Cleo Lemon in the 4th or Bruce Gradkowski in the 6th; or you can sign David Carr or Charlie Batch or Jake Delhomme; or you can trade for A.J. Feeley or Charlie Whitehurst or Brady Quinn. You can get lucky and sign Kurt Warner or Drew Brees, or draft Trent Green or Tom Brady, or trade for Steve Young, but usually, these options are even less likely to succeed than drafting a QB high in the first round.

So yeah, spending lots of money on a top pick might be a really bad idea, but so is everything else. Sure, it's great to have a bunch of solid, mid-round picks, but you need a bunch of star players to win in the NFL. And you're much more likely to get one of those guys at the top of the first round than the top of the second round. M-T argues that you should save money and pick later, but they don't explain how saving that money is going to make you win games. And until they do that, the study doesn't hold any value IMO.

 
you need some overpaid players on your team in order to maximize team ability.
No.If you took any NFL team and replaced all of its overpaid players with underpaid players earning the same amount, the team would improve.
 
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Whenever you have to pay more to get better stuff, the people paying more to get better stuff are less better off than if all stuff cost the same.
The multi-million dollar question is how much more for how much better? And the complexity of the answer completely scewes the intended notion of providing the lower-end teams an advantage in round one, the most important round of the draft.
The intended notion came before the salary cap era. So I'm not sure it matters all that much. And yes, there is the obvious question of how much do you pay rookies. And it seems to me, picking an arbitrary number and applying it for everyone makes less sense than the free market (or a facsimile of one) where you allow the player and the team to negotiate what they should pay for the services. That's the sort of thing free markets are really good at.
 
you need some overpaid players on your team in order to maximize team ability.
No.If you took any NFL team and replaced all of its overpaid players with underpaid players earning the same amount, the team would improve.
The problem is, you can't do what you just said. Because really good, underpaid players, aren't available. The Jets probably think that Chris Johnson at his base salary of $560,00- in 2010 is a way better deal than LaDainian Tomlinson at $5,000,000. But the Jets can't replace Tomlinson with Johnson. The choice isn't Tomlinson or Johnson at all; it's Tomlinson or maybe Willie Parker at $3 million. And the Jets might rightfully think that Tomlinson at $5M is a worse "deal" than Parker at $3M, but if they can't use that extra $2M to improve the team, they should pay Tomlinson as long as he's better than Parker. You can't just replace your players with underpaid players -- those guys are almost never available. Is Charlie Whitehurst worth $5M/year? Is Karlos Dansby at 5 years, $43 million, $22 million guaranteed overpaid compared to Patrick Willis? Yes; but Patrick Willis wasn't available to Miami. And because you can't replace Karlos Dansby with 2 ILBs who are each half as good as Dansby for 25% of the cost, it makes sense to pay for Dansby. Even if you're overpaying for him.
 
The draft no longer gives an advantage to the lower end teams in round one, where the best players typically come out. This risk/reward just doesn't seem to match unless you are VERY sure of a player's future stud potential.
Then why don't the Lions swap picks with the Jets? I'd be down with it.
 

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