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DJ Williams calf injury today. Listed as week-to-week. His contract is non-guaranteed, and supposedly Bostic looks good so far.

Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie just taken off with injury. Via Twitter, no update yet.

Jeff Legwold @Jeff_Legwold11m
Domonique Rodgers cromartie being taken off with Cart with left leg injury.

 
Patrick Willis is headed for X-rays after sustaining a right hand injury during Wednesday's practice.

probably minor

 
Desmond Bishop - LB - Vikings


There are "no visible signs" of the torn hamstring that wiped out Desmond Bishop's 2012 season.
A week into camp, Bishop is showing burst on blitzes, moving well and hasn't missed a day of work. He's running behind Marvin Mitchell at weak-side linebacker for now, but won't have trouble winning that job or either of the other two linebacking spots.

 
I'm sure most have heard that Cleveland rookie OLB/DE Barkevious Mingo got injured but it was unusual, the surgeon who took a look said he'd never seen it outside of bull-riders.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2013/08/barkevious_mingos_bruised_lung.html

-- Browns linebacker Barkevious Mingo's bruised lung is "very, very unusual'' and needs at least two to three weeks to heal, according to a noted thoracic surgeon.

That means Mingo, who remains hospitalized at the Cleveland Clinic at least until Saturday, could miss the final two preseason games -- and possibly even the opener Sept. 8 against Miami. Three weeks would put him back on the field Sept. 5 with only a couple of days to practice for the opener.

"I played football through college, and I've never heard of any football player having this,'' said Clark Fuller, Director of Thoracic Surgery at Saint John's Health Center in Santa Monica, Calif., who hasn't treated Mingo. "Usually the only people I've treated with this were bullriders. It takes a really big whack to bruise a lung. It's hard to do. You've got to really get hit.''

...The Browns have said X-rays were negative and that Mingo didn't break any ribs, but Fuller said the blow to the chest wall could also take a significant time to heal. He added that doctors look for secondary infections, progression of bleeding, structural damage and fluid buildup between the lung and the chest wall. In the absence of those things, Fuller would send him back on the field in two to three weeks.

"Sitting him at least until the opener would be the smart play,'' he said. "With a lung, you have to let nature take its course. There's no ultrasound, there's no hydrotherapy, nothing like you can do with a knee or an elbow or a shoulder.''
Bleacher Report had a much-more detailed medical interpretation of the injury.

Go to the link if interested.

I would not be disappointed if the club was extra-cautious and held him out longer than the opener for this particular injury.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1741137-closer-look-at-barkevious-mingos-recovery-from-a-bruised-lung

 
Derek Wolfe put on a stretcher and into ambulance on the field vs. Seattle.

Reported possible cervical spine injury :thumbdown:

Hope not

 
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Derek Wolfe put on a stretcher and into ambulance on the field vs. Seattle.

Reported possible cervical spine injury :thumbdown:

Hope not
Mike Klis on Twitter reports Derek Wolfe passed a battery of tests and may join the team on the flight home from Seattle. Sounds like Wolfe and the Broncos dodged a bullet.

 
Desmond Bishop - LB - Vikings

There are "no visible signs" of the torn hamstring that wiped out Desmond Bishop's 2012 season.

A week into camp, Bishop is showing burst on blitzes, moving well and hasn't missed a day of work. He's running behind Marvin Mitchell at weak-side linebacker for now, but won't have trouble winning that job or either of the other two linebacking spots.
read recently he isn't a lock to make team, not sure why if he is close to fully recovered?

 
http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/62919/source-jets-coples-has-fractured-ankle

New York Jets outside linebacker Quinton Coples could miss three to four weeks with a hairline fracture of his ankle, a league source told ESPNNewYork.com. The injury is not expected to require surgery.

Coples was hurt Saturday night in the preseason game against Jacksonville when he rushed Jaguars quarterback Chad Henne with roughly five minutes left in the second quarter, blocked a pass and appeared to fall awkwardly. He spent some time with the Jets trainers on the sidelines walking in front of the benches before heading to the locker room. He eventually left MetLife Stadium in a golf cart.

 
I don't even think that's a rumor in the comments, if you're talking about the "torn pec. out for season" thing. Sounds more like some anti-Steeler fan's wish.

Steelers beat writer for the PG(Bouchette. Has basically been embedded w/the team for around 25+ years) twatted earlier that "Steelers feel Jones should be okay." and that the hospital visit "was precautionary only."

Not seeing anyone else blurbing much else, including what the injury actually is/was. If his pec was torn, Bouchette would have reported it by now most likely.

 
I don't even think that's a rumor in the comments, if you're talking about the "torn pec. out for season" thing. Sounds more like some anti-Steeler fan's wish.

Steelers beat writer for the PG(Bouchette. Has basically been embedded w/the team for around 25+ years) twatted earlier that "Steelers feel Jones should be okay." and that the hospital visit "was precautionary only."

Not seeing anyone else blurbing much else, including what the injury actually is/was. If his pec was torn, Bouchette would have reported it by now most likely.
Finkle,

I think Donny is reffering to this comment.

cowboyhater says:Aug 25, 2013 2:22 PM

I was diagnosed with cervical spinal stenosis about 10 years ago, and am not sure how any athlete can compete at the pro level with that condition. Every sudden jolt to the body makes everything tingle and can often experience some numbness. As a NFL GM, these are athletes that should never be touched in the draft, and the NFL should never allow any athlete to compete in this league with any type of spinal condition, even if they sign a waiver. This is the area of the NFL that I have an issue with concerning a players health. Even though Peyton Manning is thriving, he should have never been allowed to step a foot back into the NFL with that condition. No matter how healthy he looks, all it will take is one hit that will do some serious damage to him. The spinal cord is nothing to take lightly once you injure it.

Anytime a player is taken to the hospital for evaluation it is not something to shrug off.

I had forgotten that sudden jolts could cause numbness but if that was the cause for Jarvis going to the hospital then it would make sense for a player like Jones who came into the league with cervical spinal stenosis.

Teams rarely give out medical information but this does not seem good.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1552191-understanding-jarvis-jones-case-of-cervical-spinal-stenosis

Jones' saga started in 2009 when he played for USC (h/t Jordan Conn, ESPN The Magazine). Following a tackle during a game against the Oregon Ducks, Jones felt his shoulders go numb. He sat out the rest of the game and later received a diagnosis of a neck sprain.

Shoulder and arm numbness following a hit that forces the neck to bend sharply—called a "stinger"—is extremely common in football. In fact, the American Academy of Orthopedic Surgeons estimates that up to 70 percent of collegiate football players will suffer the injury at least once. However, the two-sided nature of Jones' symptoms concerned doctors, as stingers are generally limited to one side of the body.

Those concerns were later confirmed.

As Conn's story discusses, doctors discovered Jones' cervical spinal stenosis during their evaluation of his neck sprain. After initially being told he would likely play again, USC physicians did not feel comfortable clearing him to return. Later on, however, re-evaluation by other medical staffs led to his reinstatement into the sport, demonstrating the uncertainty that currently exists in the medical community regarding how to handle the condition.

... Rather, when you bump the inside of your elbow against, say, a table, you are actually pinching the ulnar nerve between the table and the humerus, or the bone of the upper arm.

Now, apply that sensation to the entire body, but instead of that "funny" feeling, make it paralysis instead. Scary, right? Unfortunately, that is what Jarvis Jones risks—theoretically, at least.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1568305-how-jarvis-jones-went-from-top-5-lock-to-first-round-hopeful

... What is spinal stenosis, you ask? To answer, I sought out the help of B/R's featured medical columnist, David Siebert:

"Jarvis Jones suffers from a case of cervical spinal stenosis—narrowing of the spinal canal at the level of the neck. In other words, there is less buffer room between the spinal cord and the vertebrae that encase and protect it. Players with cervical spinal stenosis are at higher risk of developing "stingers," a neurological injury defined as temporary numbness, tingling or weakness of the arm following a hit that sharply bends the neck."

As you can imagine, it's not the kind of injury that lends very well to someone who is involved in multiple high-speed collisions per game.

.

.."Jones is a fast, high-flying linebacker, and as such, he will certainly be involved in many high-speed tackles and collisions. If and when those collisions involve his head and neck, we could see another episode of his 2009 shoulder numbness. He is also at higher risk of "cervical cord neuraplaxia," or temporary paralysis of up to all four limbs that usually resolves within 48 hours."

...

Personally, I'm rooting for Jones. I hope he can have a long, successful, healthy career at the NFL level. It's certainly encouraging that he's checked out medically.

But, every time he flies at terminal velocity into an opposing running back or tight end, I'll cringe and hope for the best.
 
I'm familiar with his stenosis issue/stenosis in general, and I indeed didn't see that other comment, but it needs to be reiterated....it's some random comment on a PFT article.

Everything I've seen to this point even being speculated on in the past 24 hours is "chest injury" or "chest bruising." Not a single one of those have said a word about numbness anywhere, chest or otherwise.

Worst thing I've seen anyone even remotely connected to the team(other beat types, etc.) speculate as far as the injury goes so far is "maybe he bruised something internal. He fell on the ball pretty hard."

If there are reports out there of numbness/spinal injury/etc., I'd be interested in seeing the links if anyone has them.

 
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Teams do not typically have players taken to the hospital for evaluations, it is a cause for concern but when a guy like Jarvis Jones with a known condition of spinal stenosis gets taken to the hospital for evaluation it will always be a concern.

Teams rarely give out medical information and I doubt they would have taken such a precaution for a simple bruise even if they haven't released any information that could make even a mild connection with spinal stenosis.

I would not shrug this off.

 
Well, Jones himself is saying he'll be fine. No other reports from anywhere, team or otherwise, are contradicting this as of yet that I've seen. If the guy who is actually hurt doesn't seem to be freaking out, I'm certainly not going to sweat it if he isn't. Anyone else can if they want to.

Also...who said an internal bruise has to be "simple?" Could have been his lung, heart, liver, etc etc. I never used the term "simple." If an internal organ gets bruised, a hospital visit wouldn't be that off the wall in my book. But the whole bruise angle was pure speculation on some talking heads' part....as is the idea that this injury is related to his stenosis at this point.

I say again....if there are reports of him experiencing numbness/etc. I'd certainly like to see them/who they came from. If they were from the team, or Bouchette, or perhaps Schefter(or maybe even Clayton, who has had connections inside the organization in the past) then I'd be more willing to give them weight. I'm going to need something a lot better than "cowboyhater" on PFT's comment section waxing philosophic about stenosis.

 
Jones was not just sent to the hospital, he was placed on a stretcher and sent to the hospital for evaluation. Stretchers are commonly used for, head, back or spinal injuries. Teams typically do not remove players from the field on stretchers and typically do not send players to the hospital for evaluations for bruises.

It is reasonable to speculate that a player with a well-documented pre-existing medical condition concerning his spine where he got taken from the field on a stretcher and sent to the hospital for evaluation could be connected to his pre-existing condition.

Jones can say he's fine, the team can issue a non-descript 'chest-injury' report because in the preseason NFL teams are not held to the same injury reporting standards that exist during the regular season.

 
Could Jones visit to the hospital be related to stenosis concerns? Sure.

Is there anything that currently indicates that is the case? Not at all.

Not to split hairs, but Jones didnt leave the field on a stretcher, he left the stadium on a stretcher after being evaluated in the locker room. If they had immobilized him immediately that would indicate spinal concerns. The use of a stretcher leaving the stadium certainly isn't any more indicative of a spinal injury than any other type of injury. Backboard, sure...but that wasn't the case.

With Mingo as a case example, any complaint of severe chest wall pain or possibly difficulty breathing would also warrant IV, transport, and follow up scans.

I'm not saying your wrong Bracie, but based on what we know it's a rather large leap to assume Jones injury was CSpine related.

 
The reason I looked into the Jones injury was because the initial report was he was taken in an ambulence reportedly suffering from a 'chest-injury' and someone in the twittersphere tried to make a connection to the Mingo bruised-lung injury. That on the heels of WR Eddie Royal suffering a bruised lung the same week so I was wondering what the heck is going on? Did Jones suffer a bruised lung? Why the ambulence?

You are correct and I was wrong, Jarvis Jones was not removed from the field on a stretcher. The injury happened when he was tackled on an interception return and at the time he had trouble getting up and appeared woozy. Reports said a few guys around him must have thought the injury was nothing and they were smiling. Afterwards a light-hearted report said the reason the players were smirking is because they thought he caught one in the short-and-curlies and even Tomlin sorta smiled when he went onto the field to check on Jones. The players didn't suspect anything more than a shot to the groin at that time.

After the game he was taken from the locker room on a gurney wtih an IV in his arm.

The official statement was test results for busted ribs were neagitve but other tests were inconclusive and that part of the statement is open for interpretation.

Mingo's injury is more concerning due to the fact it could have been fatal. No one knows when his injury occured. He felt fine on the sidelines but had trouble catching his breath and then started spitting up blood and was rushed to the hospital. Originally the report was a rib injury and that proved to be false. A bruised lung was later issued as the injury. Bruised lungs are rare so to have two in the same week in the NFL was odd, the twitter scuttlebutt about Jarvis Jones also possibly having a bruised lung made me curious but something about JJ's injury doesn't seem right to me.

Mingo is out for an indefinite period of time even though he feels just fine. Complications from a potential infection and waiting for inflamation to subside is the reason for the precaution.

Jones has been cleared to play and may even start the first game.

I hope his injury was only a bruise to his chest and he avoids any major injuries in his career but I do think their was something more to this injury, how he looked right after it happened, the ambulence, the overnight hospital evaluation, that does lead to wondering if could have been related to his cervical spinal stenosis condition.

 
Seahawks RE Cliff Avril is out indefinitely with an aggravated hamstring injury.
Avril has seemingly been banged up ever since the Seahawks signed him, also missing almost all of spring practices with a plantar fascia tear. His status for Week 1 is unknown. Meanwhile, however, Seattle has gotten explosive edge rushing from UDFA Benson Mayowa, who looks like the real deal. The Seahawks are good and deep enough up front to withstand some missed time from Avril.
 
My guess is that maybe the Giants go sign one of the old vets that are still out on the wire. Maybe a Kenny Phillips return? Kerry Rhodes? Quentin Mikell?

 
Morgan Burnett injury - any homers have any updates?

This is not good. I just lost friggin Stevie Brown too.

I see him listed as "Questionable" so far. Short benches in our league too, so picking up a fill in DB means I have to drop someone I really don't want to. Damn injuries hitting me too early this year... :kicksrock:

 
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Morgan Burnett injury - any homers have any updates?

This is not good. I just lost friggin Stevie Brown too.

I see him listed as "Questionable" so far. Short benches in our league too, so picking up a fill in DB means I have to drop someone I really don't want to. Damn injuries hitting me too early this year... :kicksrock:
read he has a "slight" hamstring strain

 
quintin mikell signed by CAR... espn article noted rivera and/or DC also spent time in PHI, so scheme familiarity should allow him to get up to speed right away (maybe factored into the signing?)...

 
Will be keeping an eye on this. Injuries have already hit me this year so it'll be interesting to see how he's used.

 

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