Transgender People - The Basics (1 Viewer)

[E Street Brat]

Check the notes on the edit.  I had to change the link from the actual scientific study. 

Will do. Stuff like that is fascinating 

 

[Henry Ford]

If we decide and agree that sex and gender are two different things. I concept I'm still working on personally. Can we at least agree that there two sexes and two genders?

Facebook now has 71 genders to choose from. There a lot of coming to accept some of these ideas that are foreign to them. And #### like this just doesn't help. 

Agender

Androgyne

Androgynous

Bigender

Cis

Cisgender

Cis Female

Cis Male

Cis Man

Cis Woman

Cisgender Female

Cisgender Male

Cisgender Man

Cisgender Woman

Female to Male

FTM

Gender Fluid

Gender Nonconforming

Gender Questioning

Gender Variant

Genderqueer

Intersex

Male to Female

MTF

Neither

Neutrois

Non-binary

Other

Pangender

Trans

Trans*

Trans Female

Trans* Female

Trans Male

Trans* Male

Trans Man

Trans* Man

Trans Person

Trans* Person

Trans Woman

Trans* Woman

Transfeminine

Transgender

Transgender Female

Transgender Male

Transgender Man

Transgender Person

Transgender Woman

Transmasculine

Transsexual

Transsexual Female

Transsexual Male

Transsexual Man

Transsexual Person

Transsexual Woman

Two-Spirit

There are countries that recognize a third gender. 

 

[E Street Brat]

There are countries that recognize a third gender. 

So your answer is no?

 

[Man of Constant Sorrow]

Check the notes on the edit.  I had to change the link from the actual scientific study. It hard genitals. 

It is absolutely a fact that xx and xy do not definitively identify sex.

Good call Hank...

...pretty sure hard genitals are a no-go now.

 

[Henry Ford]

So your answer is no?

It’s “depends on what you’re using it for and with whom.”

 

[Henry Ford]

Will do. Stuff like that is fascinating 

E Street:

Saw you in another thread and remembered this discussion.  I ran across an article today from Nature I hadn't seen in a couple years that was really on point on this issue and thought you'd find it interesting.

https://www.nature.com/news/sex-redefined-1.16943

 

[Stuart Ullman]

E Street:

Saw you in another thread and remembered this discussion.  I ran across an article today from Nature I hadn't seen in a couple years that was really on point on this issue and thought you'd find it interesting.

https://www.nature.com/news/sex-redefined-1.16943

 

[Henry Ford]

Thanks for the bump.  Hoping people see the article.

 

[Stuart Ullman]

Thanks for the bump.  Hoping people see the article.

I strongly advise nobody read that propaganda. I know I didn't.

 

[Henry Ford]

I strongly advise nobody read that propaganda. I know I didn't.

That certainly fits with how I believed you made your decisions on science.

 

[Stuart Ullman]

That certainly fits with how I believed you made your decisions on science.

You don't see me over here saying you're not going to heaven.

 

[Henry Ford]

You don't see me over here saying you're not going to heaven.

I am also not over here saying you don't get to feed rainbows to my unicorn.

 

[jiffy]

If you are born female, you are a female.

If you are born male, you are a male.

It is simple as that.

 

[Henry Ford]

If you are born female, you are a female.

If you are born male, you are a male.

It is simple as that.

E Street:

Saw you in another thread and remembered this discussion.  I ran across an article today from Nature I hadn't seen in a couple years that was really on point on this issue and thought you'd find it interesting.

https://www.nature.com/news/sex-redefined-1.16943

I would recommend that you read this article.  

 

[Stuart Ullman]

If you are born female, you are a female.

If you are born male, you are a male.

It is simple as that.

Henry Ford is trying to poison our world. MTF transgender happens 3x more than FTM.

If this was truly a mental disease, there wouldn't be such skewed results. This is social engineering and the lives of many young men are being destroyed.

 

[jiffy]

I would recommend that you read this article.  

Why?

To have it try to convince me that there are more then two sexes?  Pass.

 

[EYLive]

Why?

To have it try to convince me that there are more then two sexes?  Pass.

I used to think like you, but I don't see the harm in reading other perspectives. If the article changes your mind, is that so horrible?

I'll have to finish reading it another time when I'm not distracted by work and stuff. 

 

[Ilov80s]

Henry Ford is trying to poison our world. MTF transgender happens 3x more than FTM.

If this was truly a mental disease, there wouldn't be such skewed results. This is social engineering and the lives of many young men are being destroyed.

A) It’s not a mental disease. 

B) Also you know that there are lots of actual disorders that are heavily skewed based on sex.

 

[jiffy]

I used to think like you, but I don't see the harm in reading other perspectives. If the article changes your mind, is that so horrible?

In this case, yes.  It would be like reading a fiction novel.

 

[Stuart Ullman]

A) It’s not a mental disease. 

B) Also you know that there are lots of actual disorders that are heavily skewed based on sex.

Yes it is. And sure, there are but those are usually based on XY vs XX chromosome. See color blindness in males.

There's no such argument here. Parents giving into trends is what the reasoning is. Kids sit in front of the idiot box all day, self-diagnosing themselves while guys like HF encourage the male population to sterilize themselves instead of becoming comfortable in their own skin.

It's sickening.

 

[EYLive]

In this case, yes.  It would be like reading a fiction novel.

Interesting. If you decline to read an article because you've already determined it to be fiction, how do you discern what is non-fiction?

 

[jiffy]

Interesting. If you decline to read an article because you've already determined it to be fiction, how do you discern what is non-fiction?

Is the article trying to convince people that there are more (or less) sexes other than male and female?

 

[EYLive]

Is the article trying to convince people that there are more (or less) sexes other than male and female?

I haven't finished reading the article. But from what I have read, it's not trying to convince people of anything. It's a report of what scientists and doctors have observed in patients. I'm still not sure what's to be afraid of.

 

[Ilov80s]

Yes it is. And sure, there are but those are usually based on XY vs XX chromosome. See color blindness in males.

There's no such argument here. Parents giving into trends is what the reasoning is. Kids sit in front of the idiot box all day, self-diagnosing themselves while guys like HF encourage the male population to sterilize themselves instead of becoming comfortable in their own skin.

It's sickening.

You just said it wasn’t a mental disease. One post later and now it is. How can I discuss this with you. 

There are disorders that aren’t not sex linked that are disproportionately impacting certain sexes. 

As for your other points, read my post on page one about my niece. 

 

[Stuart Ullman]

I haven't finished reading the article. But from what I have read, it's not trying to convince people of anything. It's a report of what scientists and doctors have observed in patients. I'm still not sure what's to be afraid of.

The fear is stripping away the fertility and lives of young men before they even have a chance to understand who they really are.

Now let's stop bumping this thread and bury it to page 2 and beyond.

 

[Ilov80s]

Why are some people so angry about science or how certain people want to live their lives? 

 

[Stuart Ullman]

You just said it wasn’t a mental disease. One post later and now it is. How can I discuss this with you. 

There are disorders that aren’t not sex linked that are disproportionately impacting certain sexes. 

As for your other points, read my post on page one about my niece. 

I've never said it's not. I'm sorry to hear about your nephew, hopefully he's given a chance to find himself so he's able to live the life God intended and reproduce as well.

Thoughts and prayers.

 

[Henry Ford]

Why?

To have it try to convince me that there are more then two sexes?  Pass.

To understand the science behind what we've been discussing.

 

[Henry Ford]

Henry Ford is trying to poison our world. MTF transgender happens 3x more than FTM.

If this was truly a mental disease, there wouldn't be such skewed results. This is social engineering and the lives of many young men are being destroyed.

This is why you should read articles before trying to discuss them.  

 

[Stuart Ullman]

Why are some people so angry about science or how certain people want to live their lives? 

Because there are millions of young men out there who are being stripped of their identities and fertility.

They are victims. Even one extra MTF reassignment is too many.

 

[Henry Ford]

Yes it is. And sure, there are but those are usually based on XY vs XX chromosome. See color blindness in males.

There's no such argument here. Parents giving into trends is what the reasoning is. Kids sit in front of the idiot box all day, self-diagnosing themselves while guys like HF encourage the male population to sterilize themselves instead of becoming comfortable in their own skin.

It's sickening.

I'm not encouraging anyone to sterilize himself. 

 

[Stuart Ullman]

This is why you should read articles before trying to discuss them.  

I'm not reading your propaganda. Young men are being victimized by shotty science. Let boys be boys.

We need more common sense and less pseudoscience.

 

[Ilov80s]

Because there are millions of young men out there who are being stripped of their identities and fertility.

They are victims. Even one extra MTF reassignment is too many.

They are victims because they are choosing how they want to live their lives? That’s new.

 

[Stuart Ullman]

I'm not encouraging anyone to sterilize himself. 

That's what MTF hormones do, pal. If you're encouraging parents to do such a thing, you're destroying the future of America, thanks.

 

[Henry Ford]

I'm not reading your propaganda. Young men are being victimized by shotty science. Let boys be boys.

We need more common sense and less pseudoscience.

 

[Stuart Ullman]

They are victims because they are choosing how they want to live their lives? That’s new.

It's a choice based on the idiot box. If your kid wants ice cream for dinner, you're going to say no. If they say they're a dinosaur, you're going to say no.

Just because it's a hip and trendy scientific breakthrough justifies nothing.

 

[Ilov80s]

I'm not reading your propaganda. Young men are being victimized by shotty science. Let boys be boys.

We need more common sense and less pseudoscience.

As long as my niece could talk she believed she was a girl and wanted to be a girl and so we have victimized her by allowing her to be the person she is comfortable being?

How much first hand experience do you have with this issue? Also I might have to bow out because it hits really close to home and you are exactly the kind of person I hope she never has to deal with.

 

[Henry Ford]

It's a choice based on the idiot box. If your kid wants ice cream for dinner, you're going to say no. If they say they're a dinosaur, you're going to say no.

Just because it's a hip and trendy scientific breakthrough justifies nothing.

I don't know what topic you're discussing, but I'm discussing an article that I posted that you appear to not have read.

 

[Stuart Ullman]

Stop ruining the lives of kids everywhere. People like you are the cause of MTFs being misdiagnosed and the extremely high rate of suicide they incur.

And don't give me the, "they commit suicide because of bullies like me". They commit suicide more frequently because people like you put them in lose, lose situations.

Stop what you're doing. You're ruining lives.

 

[Henry Ford]

As long as my niece could talk she believed she was a girl and wanted to be a girl and so we have victimized her by allowing her to be the person she is comfortable being?

How much first hand experience do you have with this issue? Also I might have to bow out because it hits really close to home and you are exactly the kind of person I hope she never has to deal with.

You shouldn't discuss this topic with him.  It isn't worth it.

 

[Ilov80s]

It's a choice based on the idiot box. If your kid wants ice cream for dinner, you're going to say no. If they say they're a dinosaur, you're going to say no.

Just because it's a hip and trendy scientific breakthrough justifies nothing.

You are so misinformed and wrong that it literally hurts me. I’ll pray for you.

 

[Henry Ford]

Stop ruining the lives of kids everywhere. People like you are the cause of MTFs being misdiagnosed and the extremely high rate of suicide they incur.

And don't give me the, "they commit suicide because of bullies like me". They commit suicide more frequently because people like you put them in lose, lose situations.

Stop what you're doing. You're ruining lives.

I'm glad you recognize how people perceive you on this topic.

 

[Stuart Ullman]

As long as my niece could talk she believed she was a girl and wanted to be a girl and so we have victimized her by allowing her to be the person she is comfortable being?

How much first hand experience do you have with this issue? Also I might have to bow out because it hits really close to home and you are exactly the kind of person I hope she never has to deal with.

I'm not going to pretend to know your situation. I pray for your nephew well being and am saddened he will likely be put on hormones that will destroy his identity and ability to procreate, before he even had a fully developed brain.

 

[Stuart Ullman]

You shouldn't discuss this topic with him.  It isn't worth it.

You're ridiculous. I'm protecting young lives everywhere. You want them to sterilize themselves.

News flash, just because I disagree doesn't mean I'm subhuman and my opinion doesn't matter. Did I ever say you're not worth discussing?

Maybe I'll start. Henry Ford is clearly an activist for these type of people and he is also part of the LGBT community himself.

He is too closely involved to discuss objectively. Discussing with him is not worth it.

 

[Henry Ford]

You're ridiculous. I'm protecting young lives everywhere. You want them to sterilize themselves.

News flash, just because I disagree doesn't mean I'm subhuman. Did I ever say you're not worth discussing?

Maybe I'll start. Henry Ford is clearly an activist for these type of people and he is also part of the LGBT community himself.

He is too closely involved to discuss objectively. Discussing with him is not worth it.

I haven't said you're subhuman.  You're welcome to not discuss it with me.  I'm telling him it isn't worth discussing because you're a bigot and you insult people related to this issue and he has family involvement.  I'm telling him in my opinion it isn't worth how he'll feel after a conversation with you about it.  

 

[Ilov80s]

If you actually cared you would keep an open mind until you did research on the topic, met kids, teens and adults who are transgendered. You would listen to the families of transgendered people. Instead you are just ignoring anything you don’t like and running your mouth like you are an expert. Spare me.

 

[Henry Ford]

Or you would simply have a discussion instead of posting a dozen times in a page to tell me I shouldn't speak on the subject and I am destroying the world after I posted an article from Nature that you refused to read.

I understand this topic seems to bother you a lot.  If that's the case, quit coming in here.

 

[Stuart Ullman]

I haven't said you're subhuman.  You're welcome to not discuss it with me.  I'm telling him it isn't worth discussing because you're a bigot and you insult people related to this issue and he has family involvement.  I'm telling him in my opinion it isn't worth how he'll feel after a conversation with you about it.  

Now I'm a bigot? Okay, pal. Thanks for staying objective and not hurling insults.

Par the course for the left. I don't agree, so I must be a bad person. It's funny that you call me a bigot when you're the one so clearly intolerant of opposing views.

Thanks for exposing yourself, guy. I don't think you're a bad person, just misguided.

 

[Stuart Ullman]

Or you would simply have a discussion instead of posting a dozen times in a page to tell me I shouldn't speak on the subject and I am destroying the world after I posted an article from Nature that you refused to read.

I understand this topic seems to bother you a lot.  If that's the case, quit coming in here.

You have no right to silence me and I won't be silenced. Deal with it.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

It's times like these that you can see very clearly who has put themselves out there and befriended those unlike themselves, actively working on their empathy and humanity...and who lives a terrified life inside their increasingly shrinking bubble. 

Also, you can see who believes in science and who isn't insecure enough to be threated by science that may contradict deeply-held beliefs.