Travdogg's positional rankings from week 2 onward (1 Viewer)

[travdogg]

What a weird week 1, from Monday Night scratches, to TE being a wasteland even at the top, and the only 2 300-yard passers with all 32 teams playing. The big thing I'm stressing is R-E-L-A-X. Its a long season, and other than a few developments, we shouldn't move THAT far from our preseason expectations...yet.

As always, these are my opinions, and not all players will be valued the same as everyone else, I have bias toward players I like and players I don't, and its not going to be a list of points already scored.

As a reminder for these rankings are for 4 pt pass TD, 1/25 pass yard, 1/10 rush/rec yards, 0.5 PPR scoring, as I've found that to be the most common scoring. With no further preamble:

QB
Tier 1:
1. Josh Allen (1)
Tier 2:
2. Jalen Hurts (2), excited about this offense. Hurts was QB10 despite leaving 2-3 TDs on the table. I'm gonna blame the field more than anything else there, but his play is enough to make Allen a tier of his own.
Tier 3:
3. Lamar Jackson (3)
4. Patrick Mahomes (4)
Tier 4:
5. CJ Stroud (5)
Tier 5:
6. Anthony Richardson (8)
7. Joe Burrow (6)
Tier 6:
8. Jayden Daniels (11), 20.8 points before we even count passing stats. That likely won't be the case weekly, but its on the table. Passing looked very rough, so his upside is entirely rushing based.
9. Dak Prescott (7)
Tier 7:
10. Kyler Murray (10)
11. Brock Purdy (12)
Tier 8:
12. Tua Tagovailoa (15)
Tier 9:
13. Jordan Love (9), injury sucks, but it sounds like its only 2-3 weeks, and Love looked like the guy who ended last season.
14. Trevor Lawrence (14)
15. Caleb Williams (13)

 

[travdogg]

RB
Tier 1:
1. Saquon Barkley (8), ok here goes: I think the RB position looks a lot more underwhelming than it did a few weeks ago. Barkley played 81% of snaps, and while I think the tush push is far from over, Barkley will get home more than Swift did. I'm willing to eat crow on this one, I wasn't a believer it was just the Giants. This Eagles offense is my pick to lead the NFL in scoring.
2. Breece Hall (4)
3. Bijan Robinson (5)
4. Christian McCaffrey (1)
Tier 2:
5. De'Von Achane (7)
6. Jahmyr Gibbs (9)
7. Kyren Williams (6)
8. Jonathan Taylor (2)
9. Derrick Henry (3)
Tier 3:
10. Joe Mixon (12)
11. Isiah Pacheco (10)
Tier 4:
12. Kenneth Walker (15), showed tier 2 upside. Hopefully the ab injury is nothing, but his long history of muscle injuries raises alarm. Seahawks were honest about Walker clearly pulling away from Charbonnet.
13. Josh Jacobs (14)
14. James Cook (13)
Tier 5:
15. Alvin Kamara (20)
Tier 6:
16. Rhamondre Stevenson (23), the 80% snap share is promising. Doubt NE plays with too many leads throughout, but a nice reminder he's a top-10 talent.
17. Aaron Jones (16)
18. James Conner (18)
19. Rachaad White (19)
20. Travis Etienne (11), Jags told us all offseason they wanted to lower Etienne's workload. Well, they did, and Bigsby looked like a different player than in 2023.
Tier 7:
21. Tony Pollard (22)
22. David Montgomery (17)
Tier 8:
23. JK Dobbins (NR), Gus had more carries, but Dobbins looked much better. Long speed is gone, but agility and team's run commitment looked great.
24. Zack Moss (29)
25. Najee Harris (24)
Tier 9:
26. Devin Singletary (25)
27. D'Andre Swift (21), 68% snap share might be misleading due to trailing game script and no Roschon. Didn't do much with it anyway.
28. Javonte Williams (30)
29. Raheem Mostert (27)
Tier 10:
30. Brian Robinson (28)

Dropped off: Jaylen Warren (26), possibly the hamstring played a role, but I can't help but feel Patterson is gonna stay involved.

 

[travdogg]

WR
Tier 1:
1. Tyreek Hill (1)
2. AJ Brown (7)
3. Justin Jefferson (3)
4. CeeDee Lamb (2)
5. Ja'Marr Chase (5)
6. Amon-Ra St. Brown (4), until I see it consistently, I'm not too worried about Jameson Williams being more than a boom/bust guy who happened to boom and that took from Amon-Ra and LaPorta to a lesser extent. 22% targets and never came off the field.
Tier 2:
7. Mike Evans (11)
8. Nico Collins (12)
9. Garrett Wilson (9)
10. Davante Adams (8)
Tier 3:
11. Cooper Kupp (22), Puka's injury clearly helps, but it doesn't change Kupp's own health issues, and its possible the offense in general isn't as good, OL injuries also hurt a ton. I think Kupp is a bit of a sell-high. Probably a tier higher in full PPR.
12. Jaylen Waddle (19), a good bet for a big play every week opposite Hill. Achane being a bigger part of the passing game likely gives defenses even more space to defend.
13. Drake London (14)
14. Chris Olave (13)
15. Marvin Harrison (10)
Tier 4:
16. Deebo Samuel (15)
17. Rashee Rice (23)
18. DeVonta Smith (18)
19. Brandon Aiyuk (16)
Tier 5:
20. Stefon Diggs (27), had 2 TD's, and was close on a 3rd. They clearly like him as a slot option in the redzone. I don't think he'll just be TD dependent, but truthfully, Stroud had a bad game on Sunday, missing throws I expect him to make going forward. Played most snaps of Texans WRs.
21. Malik Nabers (24)
22. DJ Moore (20)
23. Puka Nacua (6), this is possibly showing too much respect to Puka, but I still think he could be a top-10 guy when he comes back in presumably week 7. It didn't look to me like Kupp was the #1 before Puka went down, they looked like equals.
24. Michael Pittman (21)
25. DK Metcalf (17), Seahawks WR production feels like it could be more whack-a-mole than usual. DK got very little separation on Sunday, sure it was mostly against Surtain, but still troubling in new offense.
Tier 6:
26. Chris Godwin (32)
27. George Pickens (28)
28. Amari Cooper (26)
Tier 7:
29. Jayden Reed (NR), Love's injury hurts, but Reed showed some elite playmaking ability. They have to make him the priority in the passing game, with that RAC ability.
30. Xavier Worthy (37)
31. Tank Dell (25)
32. Zay Flowers (29)
33. Terry McLaurin (31)
Tier 8:
34. Calvin Ridley (34)
35. Keenan Allen (33)
36. Jaxon Smith-Njigba (NR), didn't do much in week 1, but Seattle took a half to get their offense together. Still a good breakout candidate in my opinion, even though Lockett isn't going away. If anything, DK was too high.
37. Tee Higgins (30)
Tier 9:
38. Brian Thomas (NR), already looks like the Jags #1, and that's not a surprise. They want to be a downfield passing team and that's not happening going through Engram/Kirk.
39. Rome Odunze (36)
40. Hollywood Brown (38)

Dropped off: Diontae Johnson (35), didn't really separate from Thielen, and Young looked like a deer in headlights. Courtland Sutton (39), Nix looked only slightly better than Young, and Sutton had a strong rapport with Russ that carried him last season. Christian Watson (40), more likely hurt by losing Love than Reed is.

 

[travdogg]

TE
Tier 1:
1. Sam LaPorta (1)
2. Travis Kelce (2)
Tier 2:
3. Trey McBride (3)
Tier 3:
4. Kyle Pitts (5)
5. Dalton Kincaid (6), disappointing week, but some positives were his 83% routes, and nobody else stepped up as the #1. Patience seems in order here, especially since every TE other than Likely (and Pitts getting a blown coverage TD) basically did nothing.
Tier 4:
6. George Kittle (7)
7. Mark Andrews (4), I don't want to react too much to week 1, especially with a guy who came into the season banged up, and has been nothing but a top-5 guy, but yeah, I'm concerned Likely could 1A/1B him.
Tier 5:
8. Brock Bowers (10)
Tier 6:
9. Jake Ferguson (9)
Tier 7:
10. Evan Engram (8)
Tier 8:
11. Isaiah Likely (NR), not sure there was a more impressive player in week 1. I've always seen Likely as a better athlete than receiver (like Njoku) where he needs manufactured touches, but that certainly wasn't the case Thursday, and if he took the next step, he's impossible to take off the field. Ravens are likely a 2-TE base team now. Only knock is Ravens likely won't be playing catchup often, but how many guys have 9-111 upside?
12. Taysom Hill (14)
13. Dallas Goedert (12)
Tier 9:
14. David Njoku (11), the state of the TE is such that a guy with a high ankle sprain, and likely out a few weeks, is still a top-15 guy. Basically in line with Hockenson I think, but with a much better chance of being his team's #1 guy.
Tier 10:
15. TJ Hockenson (13)

Dropped off: Dalton Schultz (15), predictably lost in the shuffle. Still only an injury away from a top-3 role in a high-end passing game, so he could resurface.

 

[VikingFrog]

Brian Robinson feels low here at the end of your list.

I think I’d have him in the mix with the guys you have in tier 7… maybe even tier 6 if Daniel’s legs continue to open things up for him.

But that’s why they play week 2.

 

[efactor]

Joe Burrow is being highly overrated IMO. He just doesn't look right and nothing like the 2021/2022 version.

 

[Deamon]

Love it.

One question that stands out: How do you have Drake London moving UP this week after such a horrible performance?

 

[wlwiles]

Thanks Trav, love seeing this list every week and appreciate the time you put into it. Not to be "that guy", truly...but surprised to see Jerome Ford not in your RB list at all. Cleveland looks like they're going to have to run a ton to help Watson out, so it must be Chubb's eventual return that has him hampered in your rankings?

 

[wlwiles]

Joe Burrow is being highly overrated IMO. He just doesn't look right and nothing like the 2021/2022 version.

I've got him in a SF dynasty league and am seriously looking at shopping him for the same reason. Trying to see if I can tier down to Love or Kyler level and pick up a piece with it.

 

[LionOfGosforth]

Nice work. Bit disappointed to see Monty drop 5 spots despite a nice game. Do you feel Gibbs' workload will continue to increase, thus marginalizing Monty as the season goes on?

 

[cheese]

Really good work here, but I'll still tell you one I disagree on. They keep trying to tell you Henry is a role player in Baltimore and then backed it up with a 46% snap share in a back and forth game. I personally would rank him similar to David Montgomery, but at the very least you have got to get him out of tier 2.

 

[EWV1]

Thanks! At a glance, my main counterpoint would be on Brian Robinson Jr (should be higher)...but I can see where the RB's may be bunched together and there is still risk that WAS has a bad offense and/or Daniels misses time with injury.

Also, Nacua lower, Metcalf higher (could easily be wrong on DK).

 

[Pigskin Fanatic]

Kyler looked fantastic in the first quarter and then he practically disappeared. AZ defense looks not terrible but they're not stopping anybody. weekly top 10 finish looks reasonable going forward.

 

[Insein]

RB
Tier 1:
1. Saquon Barkley (8), ok here goes: I think the RB position looks a lot more underwhelming than it did a few weeks ago. Barkley played 81% of snaps, and while I think the tush push is far from over, Barkley will get home more than Swift did. I'm willing to eat crow on this one, I wasn't a believer it was just the Giants. This Eagles offense is my pick to lead the NFL in scoring.
2. Breece Hall (4)
3. Bijan Robinson (5)
4. Christian McCaffrey (1)
Tier 2:
5. De'Von Achane (7)
6. Jahmyr Gibbs (9)
7. Kyren Williams (6)
8. Jonathan Taylor (2)
9. Derrick Henry (3)
Tier 3:
10. Joe Mixon (12)
11. Isiah Pacheco (10)
Tier 4:
12. Kenneth Walker (15), showed tier 2 upside. Hopefully the ab injury is nothing, but his long history of muscle injuries raises alarm. Seahawks were honest about Walker clearly pulling away from Charbonnet.
13. Josh Jacobs (14)
14. James Cook (13)
Tier 5:
15. Alvin Kamara (20)
Tier 6:
16. Rhamondre Stevenson (23), the 80% snap share is promising. Doubt NE plays with too many leads throughout, but a nice reminder he's a top-10 talent.
17. Aaron Jones (16)
18. James Conner (18)
19. Rachaad White (19)
20. Travis Etienne (11), Jags told us all offseason they wanted to lower Etienne's workload. Well, they did, and Bigsby looked like a different player than in 2023.
Tier 7:
21. Tony Pollard (22)
22. David Montgomery (17)
Tier 8:
23. JK Dobbins (NR), Gus had more carries, but Dobbins looked much better. Long speed is gone, but agility and team's run commitment looked great.
24. Zack Moss (29)
25. Najee Harris (24)
Tier 9:
26. Devin Singletary (25)
27. D'Andre Swift (21), 68% snap share might be misleading due to trailing game script and no Roschon. Didn't do much with it anyway.
28. Javonte Williams (30)
29. Raheem Mostert (27)
Tier 10:
30. Brian Robinson (28)

Dropped off: Jaylen Warren (26), possibly the hamstring played a role, but I can't help but feel Patterson is gonna stay involved.

Confused about Gibbs up and Monty down after Monty dominated.

 

[BlackCrowes]

RB

22. David Montgomery (17)

a little confused on this one. granted before the last drive his numbers weren't great, but geez.....what a drive. Detroit is going to be ahead a lot. he's a closer.

 

[RaidersAreOne]

Love these threads.

 

[travdogg]

Brian Robinson feels low here at the end of your list.

I think I’d have him in the mix with the guys you have in tier 7… maybe even tier 6 if Daniel’s legs continue to open things up for him.

But that’s why they play week 2.

Talent wise, other than Aaron Jones, and maybe Pollard, I'd agree, but I hate Robinson's situation. He's splitting with both another RB and his QB. I don't believe in his receiving numbers at all, and think he'll cede to Ekeler there most weeks. I also don't think (and for Washington's sake hope) Daniels stays a checkdown/screen merchant like he was in week 1, which was sort of disturbing in my eyes, as TB's secondary was all sorts of injured.

Maybe I'll be wrong, but I see Robinson as a guy who should get 12 touches, maybe 60 yards, and maybe a TD most weeks. I kinda think week 1 will be one of his better games, unless either Ekeler is a clear backup, or Daniels stops taking GL work. Can't say I have faith in either of those.

I do like Robinson a lot as a player. I think he's a bit of a sell though.

 

[travdogg]

Joe Burrow is being highly overrated IMO. He just doesn't look right and nothing like the 2021/2022 version.

I'm a little worried about that too. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt in his 1st game back from a major injury, where his #1 WR was sick, and his #2 was out.

He's very much a candidate for a sizeable drop if he looks that bad again though.

 

[travdogg]

Love it.

One question that stands out: How do you have Drake London moving UP this week after such a horrible performance?

The guys around him (Olave, Harrison) disappointed more. He did have some positives 100% snap share, up from 86% last season, and the entire offense struggled against a very good Steelers D.

To me, he's still the unquestioned #1 WR in an offense that needs someone to step up. I'll freely admit he's always been a bit of a projection though and understand if people want to jump off.

 

[travdogg]

Thanks Trav, love seeing this list every week and appreciate the time you put into it. Not to be "that guy", truly...but surprised to see Jerome Ford not in your RB list at all. Cleveland looks like they're going to have to run a ton to help Watson out, so it must be Chubb's eventual return that has him hampered in your rankings?

Ford and Robinson were literally battling for #30, and the reason Robinson won out, is because of eventual Chubb. Its possible I'm giving Chubb too much credit, but in my eyes, he was the best runner in the NFL before he got hurt, and if anyone is going to overachieve upon returning from major injury, its Chubb.

Also, while it would make sense for the Browns to be run heavy and hide Watson, they don't seem to want to do that.

 

[travdogg]

Nice work. Bit disappointed to see Monty drop 5 spots despite a nice game. Do you feel Gibbs' workload will continue to increase, thus marginalizing Monty as the season goes on?

Confused about Gibbs up and Monty down after Monty dominated.

RB

22. David Montgomery (17)

a little confused on this one. granted before the last drive his numbers weren't great, but geez.....what a drive. Detroit is going to be ahead a lot. he's a closer.

Just a gut feel that Gibbs is gonna separate a bit from Monty, much like the situation in Miami. Monty dominated the 1st quarter, and then disappeared until OT. Without that OT drive, he was 12-46. I feel like the "closer" role would make sense, but I'm not sure there is anything to support it. I also think Gibbs can do everything Monty can, but Monty can't do everything Gibbs can.

Also, I wanted to bump a couple bigger workload guys up and Monty just kinda fell behind them.

 

[travdogg]

Really good work here, but I'll still tell you one I disagree on. They keep trying to tell you Henry is a role player in Baltimore and then backed it up with a 46% snap share in a back and forth game. I personally would rank him similar to David Montgomery, but at the very least you have got to get him out of tier 2.

Henry's role is similar to that in Tennessee. Honestly, its not Hill that made me lower Henry, its Lamar. I don't consider that game to have been a back and forth, Baltimore played the entire 2nd half like they were playing from well behind, even if they weren't actually.

I'm not too worried about Henry, he was always going to be one of the more game script dependent guys, but if Lamar is running like he did 4-5 years ago again, then Henry's gonna be more TD dependent than I expected. I doubt Baltimore is trailing too much this season though, so I'm not dropping him from tier 2 at this time.

 

[eighsse2]

I love a good fight: paging @jon_m..... nahh let's let sleeping dogs lie ...

 

[travdogg]

Thanks! At a glance, my main counterpoint would be on Brian Robinson Jr (should be higher)...but I can see where the RB's may be bunched together and there is still risk that WAS has a bad offense and/or Daniels misses time with injury.

Also, Nacua lower, Metcalf higher (could easily be wrong on DK).

Total speculation on my part, but DK makes me a little nervous. I feel like he was a Pete Carroll favorite. I didn't like how sloppy he played Sunday, and he committed multiple penalties. I'm wondering if Carroll did a lot to keep DK focused, and that could be a problem. Again, I could just be seeing things, but he didn't look good Sunday, and I don't think it was ALL Surtain. That also tied into my bumping up JSN.

I can see the case for Puka lower. My general way of doing things is to not move a top notch guy too far down due to injury, when they could have tons of value when they come back. Sort of applied to Love too.

 

[travdogg]

Kyler looked fantastic in the first quarter and then he practically disappeared. AZ defense looks not terrible but they're not stopping anybody. weekly top 10 finish looks reasonable going forward.

It was like the Cards scripted an excellent first 15, and then just shrugged and said, "ok Kyler do your thing", and that thing ended up being scrambling into sacks and relentlessly targeting Greg Dortch.

 

[Chaka]

Love this thread every week. Thanks for all the hard work.

Now for the airing of grievances!

22. David Montgomery (17)

Surprised by a 5 spot drop after that performance. Lions are going to lean on a lot of teams, wear them down and salt away a bunch of games late. I still believe Derrick Henry has the best shot to lead the league in rushing TDs by a RB but Monty is in the conversation too. Even with a healthy Gibbs.

Puka Nacua (6), this is possibly showing too much respect to Puka, but I still think he could be a top-10 guy when he comes back in presumably week 7. It didn't look to me like Kupp was the #1 before Puka went down, they looked like equals.

I think that's the problem though. They looked exactly like equals so it will be tough for either to be more than low tier WR1 or high WR2 as long as the other is in the field. I see them as solid volume reception guys but I question both of their TD upside while the other is on the field.

 

[Barksdale]

Great thread.

FWIW, Achane at #5 is too high. Sure, week 1 involvement was evident and he can be a home run threat - he’s also Mr. Glass.
To me it’s similar to putting Hollywood Brown in the top 5 (when he’s playing).

 

[travdogg]

Love this thread every week. Thanks for all the hard work.

Now for the airing of grievances!

22. David Montgomery (17)

Surprised by a 5 spot drop after that performance. Lions are going to lean on a lot of teams, wear them down and salt away a bunch of games late. I still believe Derrick Henry has the best shot to lead the league in rushing TDs by a RB but Monty is in the conversation too. Even with a healthy Gibbs.

Puka Nacua (6), this is possibly showing too much respect to Puka, but I still think he could be a top-10 guy when he comes back in presumably week 7. It didn't look to me like Kupp was the #1 before Puka went down, they looked like equals.

I think that's the problem though. They looked exactly like equals so it will be tough for either to be more than low tier WR1 or high WR2 as long as the other is in the field. I see them as solid volume reception guys but I question both of their TD upside while the other is on the field.

That's a fair take on Kupp/Puka.

I'm taking the position that the TDs are higher when both are playing, just because the offense is stronger. Obviously either being out helps the targets/receptions of the healthy one, but I'm not sure TDs are helped.

 

[zoonation]

Kamara at 15 is wild. I’ll bet the lake house he finishes higher than that barring injury.

 

[travdogg]

Great thread.

FWIW, Achane at #5 is too high. Sure, week 1 involvement was evident and he can be a home run threat - he’s also Mr. Glass. To me it’s similar to putting Hollywood Brown in the top 5 (when he’s playing).

Its been a debate all offseason with Achane, I'm on the side of, when everything is clicking RB1 overall is possible. If he's seeing major passing usage (like #3 target in the offense) its gonna be hard for him to not be top-6 as long as he's healthy.

I get what you are saying, but I think Hollywood Brown is an insult. Achane showed elite upside in his 2nd game. If you are comparing Achane to somebody from another position who has elite upside but durability issues, the comp is probably Lamar Jackson.

 

[travdogg]

Kamara at 15 is wild. I’ll bet the lake house he finishes higher than that barring injury.

It might be. NO looked better than expected, but it was also Carolina, who might be even worse than last season.

I had the Saints being worse on paper than last season, losing Ramczyk, 2 young extremely unproven OTs, unproven #2 WR, QB possibly on the decline, and Kamara himself possibly on the decline. None of those things showed in week 1, but I'm hesitant to write it off. I moved Kamara up 5 spots, if the offense still looks great against Dallas, he (and probably someone else) will get another bump, but I'm erring to a lot of my preseason thoughts still and tend to do that early unless I see something truly impressive. Not sure I saw that from NO in week 1, or if I just saw something truly unimpressive from Carolina.

 

[TampaMike19]

Tank Dell being this low is just not right. Really appreciate the rankings though!

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Nice work. Bit disappointed to see Monty drop 5 spots despite a nice game. Do you feel Gibbs' workload will continue to increase, thus marginalizing Monty as the season goes on?

Confused about Gibbs up and Monty down after Monty dominated.

RB

22. David Montgomery (17)

a little confused on this one. granted before the last drive his numbers weren't great, but geez.....what a drive. Detroit is going to be ahead a lot. he's a closer.

Just a gut feel that Gibbs is gonna separate a bit from Monty, much like the situation in Miami. Monty dominated the 1st quarter, and then disappeared until OT. Without that OT drive, he was 12-46. I feel like the "closer" role would make sense, but I'm not sure there is anything to support it. I also think Gibbs can do everything Monty can, but Monty can't do everything Gibbs can.

Also, I wanted to bump a couple bigger workload guys up and Monty just kinda fell behind them.

Makes sense. I think of it as Monty was probably too high at 17, and he’s probably in the right slot at 22.

Either way, to me Monty is the perfect RB3 in bigger leagues. He gets consistent touches and is a TD/goalline option every game, in addition to being the guy who can run out the clock / move the chains like he did Sunday in OT.

 

[BassNBrew]

Well done.

 

[jvdesigns2002]

Again—beautiful work-and mad props and thanks for doing it and sharing it with the forum. I agree with most of it with the exception of a few things. I think Burrow is ranked too high. He’s not a great runner, his primary receiving targets are either battling injury or are discontent. Just seems odd to have him ranked at 7. I also think that you are too high on Love (a guy that is going to be missing 20-25% of most fantasy seasons) and Trevor Lawrence. I don’t see how Lawrence or Love be ranked in a tier above guys like Goff or Stafford at this point in time. Love is going to be getting 0 points for each of the next 2-3 weeks—-and when he comes back—he might be in a brace or might not run as much—and you still have him in the top 13?

 

[travdogg]

Tank Dell being this low is just not right. Really appreciate the rankings though!

He could be too low. I do worry he's gonna the most boom/bust of the Texans WRs. It was interesting that he saw the fewest snaps but ran the highest percentage of routes. If Dell was on the field, it was a pass play in week 1. Could that be a reaction to how he got injured?

 

[jon_mx]

Jamo can not even crack the top 40...lol. How many on this list had nine targets and a reverse?

 

[travdogg]

Again—beautiful work-and mad props and thanks for doing it and sharing it with the forum. I agree with most of it with the exception of a few things. I think Burrow is ranked too high. He’s not a great runner, his primary receiving targets are either battling injury or are discontent. Just seems odd to have him ranked at 7. I also think that you are too high on Love (a guy that is going to be missing 20-25% of most fantasy seasons) and Trevor Lawrence. I don’t see how Lawrence or Love be ranked in a tier above guys like Goff or Stafford at this point in time. Love is going to be getting 0 points for each of the next 2-3 weeks—-and when he comes back—he might be in a brace or might not run as much—and you still have him in the top 13?

Stafford and Goff were my last 2 omissions. Stafford probably would have made the list without the Puka injury.

Lawrence gets about 3-4 points a week on average from his rushing. That's the equivalent of 75-100 passing yards. Last year, when pretty much everything went right for Goff and wrong for Lawrence, Goff scored 23 more points. while playing in 1 more game, while Lawrence spent the last month of the season playing through a high ankle sprain.

I'm pretty patient with guys who are hurt. I feel very comfortable putting Love ahead of guys like Stafford or Goff when he's back. I think in all but the deepest leagues, a waiver wire QB for 2-3 weeks and then back to Love, is better than Stafford/Goff all the way through.

 

[travdogg]

Jamo can not even crack the top 40...lol. How many on this list had nine targets and a reverse?

That was the 1st time I've been impressed with Williams in his career so far.

Right now I view him in the same light as someone like Christian Watson. Capable of having some big games, but no trust at all. Despite the big game, I still strongly think he's the #3 option in the passing game. One game isn't gonna erase what LaPorta did last year, or what Amon-Ra has done since the end of 2021. I will freely admit, I'm probably as big an Amon-Ra fan as anyone on this board.

Williams was the last omission at least. He's close, if he stays this involved, he'll be on the list next week, and if the usage stays the same for the Lions passing game (which would be silly in my opinion, given what they just paid St. Brown) I'll have to move Amon-Ra down a tier.

 

[need2know]

Great work bro

 

[ShamrockPride]

OD'ing on the Gibbs hopium.

Way too high for a guy that even if he "separates a bit" is at best probably still looking at a 60/40 split.

 

[jon_mx]

Jamo can not even crack the top 40...lol. How many on this list had nine targets and a reverse?

That was the 1st time I've been impressed with Williams in his career so far.

Right now I view him in the same light as someone like Christian Watson. Capable of having some big games, but no trust at all. Despite the big game, I still strongly think he's the #3 option in the passing game. One game isn't gonna erase what LaPorta did last year, or what Amon-Ra has done since the end of 2021. I will freely admit, I'm probably as big an Amon-Ra fan as anyone on this board.

Williams was the last omission at least. He's close, if he stays this involved, he'll be on the list next week, and if the usage stays the same for the Lions passing game (which would be silly in my opinion, given what they just paid St. Brown) I'll have to move Amon-Ra down a tier.

Jamo played very well late in the season and in the playoff games. Even in Jamo's limited role in 2023 he made key plays in 3 or 4 games the Lions would have lost without him. Even in the SF loss and Dallas loss he had several huge plays which kept them in the game.

What you need to understand about Goff and Campbell ia that you must put in the work to earn their trust and his role in the offense. The Lions are pretty consistent how they spread the ball around. Jamo has their complete trust now and will continue to get a good number of targets and consistently outperform half the WRs on this list. The biggest thing holding Jamo back will be Goff's ability to throw an accurate deep ball.

 

[need2know]

Jamo can not even crack the top 40...lol. How many on this list had nine targets and a reverse?

That was the 1st time I've been impressed with Williams in his career so far.

Right now I view him in the same light as someone like Christian Watson. Capable of having some big games, but no trust at all. Despite the big game, I still strongly think he's the #3 option in the passing game. One game isn't gonna erase what LaPorta did last year, or what Amon-Ra has done since the end of 2021. I will freely admit, I'm probably as big an Amon-Ra fan as anyone on this board.

Williams was the last omission at least. He's close, if he stays this involved, he'll be on the list next week, and if the usage stays the same for the Lions passing game (which would be silly in my opinion, given what they just paid St. Brown) I'll have to move Amon-Ra down a tier.

Jamo played very well late in the season and in the playoff games. Even in Jamo's limited role in 2023 he made key plays in 3 or 4 games the Lions would have lost without him. Even in the SF loss and Dallas loss he had several huge plays which kept them in the game.

What you need to understand about Goff and Campbell ia that you must put in the work to earn their trust and his role in the offense. The Lions are pretty consistent how they spread the ball around. Jamo has their complete trust now and will continue to get a good number of targets and consistently outperform half the WRs on this list. The biggest thing holding Jamo back will be Goff's ability to throw an accurate deep ball.

And him being constantly hurt. I thought he was going to leave the game like 3 different times the other night

 

[travdogg]

OD'ing on the Gibbs hopium.

Way too high for a guy that even if he "separates a bit" is at best probably still looking at a 60/40 split.

60/40 with the best OL in the league on a team that is run heavy inside the 10 is probably a top-5 guy.