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Travis Henry Fans: COME GET ME! (1 Viewer)

tommyGunZ

Footballguy
I'm willing to take on just about any type of wager you guys can come up with regarding Travis Henry finishing in the top 10* again this year.

Just so it's clear:

I guarantee that Travis Henry will NOT finish ranked as a top 10 RB in a standard scoring system at the conclusion of the regular season.

To clear up any ambiguity re: injuries, let's agree that injury will not be an excuse for either side should it affect the wager. If Henry goes down for the seaon in week 2, I win the wager. Conversely, if Deuce, Faulk, Priest, Ricky, LT2, Portis, and Tiki go down, allowing Henry to slip into the top 10 at #10, I have no excuse and I lose the wager.

Anyone game?

 

kutta

Footballguy
Interesting wager, but I have him as my 8th RB. That is too close to 11 for me to take any bets.Good luck though.

 

billsfan

Footballguy
All I know is that Henry's #'s will improve over last years. I believe that will put him in the top ten. Will I bet on it? NO. For one simple reason...at least two top RBS will suffer serious injuries this year. I'm not willing to bet that he won't be one of them.

 

Alias

Footballguy
Must be "that time of the year" again TGz making his annual bet...I've never been too high on Henry myself, who are your top 10 RB's TGz?1. Tomlinson, Ladainian SDC 2. Portis, Clinton DEN RB 3. Holmes, Priest KCC RB :eek: (steal of the draft)4. Williams, Ricky MIA RB :yes: 5. Faulk, Marshall STL RB :thumbup: (cake schedule)6. James, Edgerrin IND RB :hot: (on Faulk's heels)7. Lewis, Jamal BAL RB :eek: (2nd steal of the draft)8. McAllister, Deuce NOS :D (potential bust of the draft)9. Alexander, Shaun SEA RB 10. Taylor, Fred JAC RB 11. Green, Ahman GBP RB 12. Henry, Travis BUF RB :rotflmao: 13. Barber, Tiki NYG RB (will have a hard time cracking top 10 with Levens)14. Davis, Stephen CAR RB 15. Dillon, Corey CIN RB

 

billsfan

Footballguy
Portis, Clinton Williams, Ricky Tomlinson, Ladainian Faulk, Marshall Henry, TravisMcAllister, Deuce Holmes, PriestTaylor, Fred Alexander, Shaun Green, Ahman

 

tommyGunZ

Footballguy
Must be "that time of the year" again TGz making his annual bet...I've never been too high on Henry myself, who are your top 10 RB's TGz?
Still a work in progress, but as of now:1. Deuce (all the components are there for a monster season) 2. Faulk (rebounds in a BIG way)3. Ricky 4. Edge 5. Priest (assuming health - big yardage #'s, fewer TD's)6. Alexander (more consistant this season - high octane offense)7. LT2 (I love him, but too many touches last year)8. Jamal Lewis (more TD's = top 10 ranking)9. Green (remains healthy and shows why he's a stud)10. Fragile Fred (love his upside in the WCO minus Mack)Notable omissions: Henry (last year was a fluke; Bills management achknowledged this at the draft)Portis (too small; injury and a down year for the Denver offense hurt is #'s)Stephen Davis (I'm not sold on Carolina's offense)Could surprise:Tiki - I'd love him w/o Levens; still a great RB2Dillon - if offense improves, and he catches the rock, #'s riseJust one man's take.
 

Tatonka

Footballguy
when henry finishes in the top ten, and Tgunz looks like a toolbox again, just like last year.. he will cry about all the RBs that got injured over the coarse of the year.. i will take your bet.. and if you want something on portis.. i will take that one too.. damn.. some people just can not admit when they are wrong.. rofl.. :yes:

 

Tatonka

Footballguy
what would you like to bet, oh great predictor?based on your record setting predictions from last year.. i dont know how anyone could pass this up.

 

tommyGunZ

Footballguy
when henry finishes in the top ten, and Tgunz looks like a toolbox again, just like last year.. he will cry about all the RBs that got injured over the coarse of the year.. i will take your bet.. and if you want something on portis.. i will take that one too.. damn.. some people just can not admit when they are wrong.. rofl.. :yes:
Same Tatonka. Same reading comprehension problems.Please re-read my entire initial post.Thanks. Try again.
 
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heavy-set1

Guest
1. Deuce (all the components are there for a monster season) Notable omissions: Henry (last year was a fluke; Bills management achknowledged this at the draft)
deuce at 1? LOLjust pay up nowthe bills addressed rb in the draft cause the #1-2 overall player was there at 23. no injury to mcghaee , no rb is drafted
 

tommyGunZ

Footballguy
the bills addressed rb in the draft cause the #1-2 overall player was there at 23. no injury to mcghaee , no rb is drafted
If you say that over and over, you might actually start to believe it.
 
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heavy-set1

Guest
the bills addressed rb in the draft cause the #1-2 overall player was there at 23. no injury to mcghaee , no rb is drafted
If you say that over and over, you might actually start to believe it.
the chiefs drafted LJ, why dont you apply the same logic to p.holmes.(last year was a fluke; Bills management achknowledged this at the draft)let me guess, thats different.how about rw? when the saints drafted deuce, was ricky a fluke? how about w.dunn? when the falcons drafted duckett, was he a fluke?
 

Maurile Tremblay

Administrator
Staff member
To clear up any ambiguity re: injuries, let's agree that injury will not be an excuse for either side should it affect the wager. If Henry goes down for the seaon in week 2, I win the wager. Conversely, if Deuce, Faulk, Priest, Ricky, LT2, Portis, and Tiki go down, allowing Henry to slip into the top 10 at #10, I have no excuse and I lose the wager.
Why not bet he'll finish top 10 in PPG among RBs who play at least 8 games? (And if Henry doesn't play at least 8 games, all bets are off.)
 

Steelers4Life

Footballguy
Well Tommy, you posted to me in another thread that you don't believe Henry is as good as his stats indicate. His talent isn't in question. I've read before that he was the reason Jamal Lewis came out of college early - because Jamal felt Travis was a better running back and did not want to compete with him.Well, I believe he's actually BETTER than his stats from last year indicate. Why? Because he did what he did last year on a team that was routinely taken out of it's running attack by a porous defense. He did it without being a primary receiver out of the backfield, although he's very adept at catching passes.Entering this year, he not only is playing for a team with a supposedly much improved defense (which is yet to be seen, of course), he also won't be competing with Larry Centers for receptions. If the Bills really do commit more to the running game as is rumored, his production will easily place him squarely in the top 10 among running backs, especially in leagues that value receptions.And count me as a believer that the only reason the Bills drafted McGahee is because he represented absolutely ridiculous value at #23 if he ever recovers from the injury, and there was no one left who they felt could immediately help their team win.

 

Capella

CAPELLODINHO
Why not bet he'll finish top 10 in PPG among RBs who play at least 8 games? (And if Henry doesn't play at least 8 games, all bets are off.)
I like this idea...How much are those replica jerseys? I'll send a Henry one to TGunz after this year. :thumbup:Actually, I'm piss ### broke as I go through school, but I'll put on 20 spot on it TGunz...but I do like Maurille's idea to do so.
 

Twilight

Footballguy
I'm really not sure about the hate on Henry. I think it's from people who believed the Hype right after he was drafted and was let down that first season. But I'm in on the Henry in the top 10 side. If Bledsoe can keep the offense moving, Henry will get they yards and TD's. Injury will be the only thing to hold him back, either his or Bledsoe's.

 

Thorpe

Footballguy
I'm really not sure about the hate on Henry. I think it's from people who believed the Hype right after he was drafted and was let down that first season.
I know the stats don't indicate, but Henry didn't have that bad a first season considering just about every time he touched the ball there was someone hitting him behind the line of scrimmage. Henry will do OK as long as he stays away from the 15 year old girls.
 

Maurile Tremblay

Administrator
Staff member
I know the stats don't indicate, but Henry didn't have that bad a first season considering just about every time he touched the ball there was someone hitting him behind the line of scrimmage.
I agree. Henry was impressive his rookie year if you ignored the stats and just watched him break tackles and move piles (to gain 1 yard).
 
All I know is that Henry's #'s will improve over last years. I believe that will put him in the top ten. Will I bet on it? NO. For one simple reason...at least two top RBS will suffer serious injuries this year. I'm not willing to bet that he won't be one of them.
Henry still has to beat out the remaining 29 starting RB's in the league. I agree with Tommy, Henry has never impressed me and i think he is more product of system. I think he will finish near the top 10 based on that, but prolly wont break into it again.
 

smlevin

Footballguy
I'll chime in here - not willing to take the bet, because I could easily see Henry finishing anywhere from #5 to #12 - and the separation between those backs could be as little as one or two FF points per game.HOWEVER, I think FF has skewed a lot of people's NFL judging ability (I point to the Hearst/Barlow and Bettis/Zeroue debates for the clearest examples of this). I'd say the reason Henry doesn't excite the board is that he isn't an explosive back, and gets most of his yardage through being a workhorse.He finds the holes, he catches the ball well, he runs between the tackles with decent vision, and he can get to the outside (not with Portis, McCall, Holmes speed, but he gets there well enough to get 4-6 yards). He is a good NFL back and will be fed the ball. As long as he reduces the fumbles, he will be a star for years to come.That will translate into good FF production, though not outstanding 115 rush/65 rec/3 TD games. Besides, he plays in the brutal AFC East and will face quite a few games this year where he gets shut down for most of the game. You will be hoping each week (rather than expecting) him to crack the 100 yd plateau, and his 100 yard games will be few and far between, with him just cracking the barrier. But, the bulk of the weeks, he will get you near 100 yards rushing, he will add points through the air, and he will score a chunk of TDs from close in as he has no competition for the goalline rushes.In all, I feel safe placing him as the #8 or #9 back in the draft, and I'd take him as my RB1 without hesitation.

 

KCC

Footballguy
Tommy, I'm with you regarding Henry - I don't think he will be a top 10 back either - but looking at your top 10 list, I see you're once again not sold on Portis. If you're taking bets on him (Portis) not finishing in the top 10, I will gladly wager $, pink slips, mortgage payments, etc.

 

berndog

Footballguy
Will Henry be a top 10 back this year? YES!! The Bills O-line will be much better this year due to a new o-line coach and all the starters returning. Last year they had three new starters on the line. Marques Sullivan at Guard, Trey Teague at center and Mike Williams at right tackle. Combine the improved line play, the Bills declared dedication to running the ball and the fact that Henry will get some 4th quarter carries this year he will come close to 2000 total yards and 10+ plus tds. Those numbers will definitely put him in the top 10. There are few running backs that run with more power than Henry. With McGahee and Olandis Gary looking over his shoulder he will be highly motivated to make sure the Bills have no need to put them on the field.

 
Well I'm blown away by all this talk here. I write for ANOTHER site on the Buffalo Bills so I think I know a little about them. The team lost some firepower in Peerless Price (and a bit more from Larry Centers, who was being phased out anyway and Jay Riemersma so dropped more than he caught), so with another year under their belt from this young OL (less Ruben Brown who's as old as dirt) and the fact that they have a strong(er) Defense with the adds of Adams and Spikes and Posey and a few other lesser names, this team will be running the ball and winning games with their Defense, protecting their lead(s). So basically the Bills will be running the ball more and killing time off of the clock. As for Henry himself, we all know or should know that McGahee is the man next year. My thoughts on this is that the Bills will get Henry to run the ball 400 times if needed. They wouldn't give a rat's asp of the thought that he might be burned out a bit next year since he's good as gone then. With all that said, two things make me think that perhaps Henry wouldn't finish top 10, injuries and Gregg Williams. Williams is a stooge. He made a lot of blunders last year and sure he's a million times better than his first year but he scares me.....not the thought of Henry finishing top 10.

 

harrycarey

Footballguy
I agree that the additions of gary and mcgahee will only help motivate henry as he had a lot of competition in college and did not back down. Everything i've read says the bills will have a more run-oriented attack and they have a better defense so they won't have to abandon the run. No i'm not gonna bet cuz i don't believe in gambling.

 

tommyGunZ

Footballguy
Bump this up for Bills homers who love a RB with 1.2 YPC.Why did they cut Larry Centers? At least he has good hands, and I'm sure he could average 1.2 YPC.I stand by my prediction that Henry won't finish top 10. The sun won't shine on his #### everyday, and 21-26 is ugly w/o the TDs.

 

IvanKaramazov

Footballguy
I guarantee that Travis Henry will NOT finish ranked as a top 10 RB in a standard scoring system at the conclusion of the regular season.
Out of curiosity, how's that working out for you so far this season?
 

aaronr28

Moderator
Bump this up for Bills homers who love a RB with 1.2 YPC.Why did they cut Larry Centers? At least he has good hands, and I'm sure he could average 1.2 YPC.I stand by my prediction that Henry won't finish top 10. The sun won't shine on his #### everyday, and 21-26 is ugly w/o the TDs.
After 2 weeks, Henry is on pace for 40 TDs. :eek: looks to me like TG is in some serious trouble.
 

tommyGunZ

Footballguy
TDs are so unpredictable. How many top 10 backs have 21-26 days?What happens when Moulds and Reed don't get caught inside the 5?

 

tommyGunZ

Footballguy
Still not sold on Henry as a top 10 RB. He's a glorified Stacy Mack.He's Moe Williams with an every down job.

 

Christo

Footballguy
Still not sold on Henry as a top 10 RB. He's a glorified Stacy Mack.He's Moe Williams with an every down job.
Moe Williams looked pretty good in his every down job last night. The only reason I wouldn't have wanted him on my team this weekend is because I had Henry and Lewis. :P
 

bentley

Footballguy
stop GunZ!STOP!i think everyone will let you "out" of this bet and take the constant amusement you provide as adequate compensation.

 

TheFanatic

Footballguy
Bump this up for Bills homers who love a RB with 1.2 YPC.Why did they cut Larry Centers? At least he has good hands, and I'm sure he could average 1.2 YPC.I stand by my prediction that Henry won't finish top 10. The sun won't shine on his #### everyday, and 21-26 is ugly w/o the TDs.
I can't beleive you used yesterday's performance as SUPPORT for your stance!?!?! The guy found the endzone 3 times. So much for him not being the goal line back and fumbling too much. Face it, the goal line back on a team that scores as much as the Bills will this year is going to be top 10. That's just if he's the goal line back. If he were to get the yards to go with it, he could slip into the top 5. Good luck with your wager, can't wait to see who it is next year!!!
 

Brett Weer

Footballguy
TDs are so unpredictable. How many top 10 backs have 21-26 days?What happens when Moulds and Reed don't get caught inside the 5?
It'll probably mean that opponents will finally begin to take the Bills passing offense seriously again, which in turn will open up more holes for Henry to improve on his ypc. Whens the last time you heard or read anything that the Bills are worried about Henry's performance??? I guarantee they are very happy with how things have gone. Teams are gearing up to stop Henry, so the passing game has opened up. Notice that the Bills still give Travis the ball 20+ times. The fact that opponents have tried to stop Henry as a plan to derail the Bills offense, and the fact that it keeps on rolling, is a good thing IMO.
 

Steelers4Life

Footballguy
I think I'll cut the guy some slack. Yesterday was the exception, not the rule.In the EIGHT games last year that Henry got 20+ carries, he produced the following yardage and TDs.31-149-328-159-222-132-024-126-035-151-122-144-220- 46-0 30- 80-0He probably wore down a little at the end of last year. Give him the ball 20 times, and you'll get results. Considering the strength of Buffalo's defense and a more balanced offense, TommyGunz, you're in for a very long year if you keep bumping this up. He has more of a chance of being a top 5 RB than being out of the top 10.

 
tommyGunZ bump of this thread today is without a doubt the worst "see, I told you so" bump ever. I would agree wholeheartdly that Henry did not play well yesterday, but the "bet" was all about fantasy points. So this is your example of what to expect on Henry's bad days? Genius.

 

The Dude

Footballguy
Not to sidetrack the bashing but can somebody please use "guarantee" properly in a sentence. Gunz misuses as just about everyone not selling something. You're not guaranteeing anything. Makes you an idiot on 2 counts.

 

Maximus*

Footballguy
I'm not going to participate in this charade of yours this year Tommy not because I'm not extremly confident that Henry is going to end up a Top 10 RB but more because I recall after my experience with you last year when that "Will Henry be a Top 10 RB" thread that I started began to take on epic proportions, even though Henry did in fact become what you stated he wouldn't and even after you were proven dead wrong, you still reneged on the deal we made.Listen dude, even though you welched on the agreement we made where you would admit you were wrong about Henry, you came up with all these BS caveats and excuses....yada yada yada and it just became ridiculous. I happen to like you Tommy for some crazy reason and I even respect your fantasy football acumen as we for the most part get along fine. But when it comes to this Henry stuff, its like you become a different person and you get a very wacko in the head and you say some crazy nutty stuff with no rhyme or reason. So I'll pass on this "generous offer" of yours but I'll follow with amusement though as you'll undoubtadly end up eating alot of crow for this proclamation for sure. BTW: Just curious Tommy, don't ya think you could have picked a better week to bash Henry than this one my friend....huh?. I mean 3 TD's in a game for the 4th ranked RB in football and your bumping this puppy back up to the forefront.....it don't compute bro. Couldn't you have at least waited until Henry had an 8-9 pt type of fantasy week with no TD's, rather than do this after another typical Henry 20+ pointer.....huh?... :rolleyes: Anyways, I guess different strokes for different folks.....right? -Max

 

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