Trent Green Will Start (1 Viewer)

[Kevin Ashcraft]

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November 15, 2006, 11:33

Chiefs :: QB

QB Green To Start vs. Raiders

Jay Glazer, FOX Sports - [Full Article]

Kansas City Chiefs QB Trent Green been cleared to return to practice, according to HC Herman Edwards. Edwards informed FOX Sports exclusively that he will name Green his starter for Sunday's game versus the Raiders. "We're going to go with Trent as our starter," Edwards said this morning after informing both Green and QB Damon Huard of his intentions. "This has been his football team for a long time. I think his return will give us a shot of adrenaline. But Trent alone won't allow us to win games." For weeks Edwards has quietly told those close to him that the moment Green got clearance to return he would regain his starting slot.

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[Warpig]

Shhhhhhh...don't let the Raiders find out. Might give them an advantage.

 

[AnonymousBob]

Not sure what Huard has done to lose his job.

 

[Warpig]

Not sure what Huard has done to lose his job.

It's the whole "Starters don't lose their job due to injury" thing. Personally, I'm more a momentum/flow of the game kinda guy and they should leave Huard in there until he stumbles.You'd think the Chiefs would have learned their lesson from the Grbac/Gannon fiasco. If it ends up similar to that...then they deserve to miss the playoffs.

 

[Kevin Ashcraft]

"For weeks Edwards has quietly told those close to him that the moment Green got clearance to return he would regain his starting slot."

I think no matter what Huard did, he would return to the bench when trent got clearance. Herman is a class act and I think he knows the caliber of player he has in Trent Green.

 

[Kevin Ashcraft]

I don't get how people all the sudden think Trent Green is washed up and a useless old man.

Other than Peyton Manning he has been the most productive QB in the NFL since the end of the 2001 season.

 

[moleculo]

thanks for the heads up!

 

[helix]

I don't get how people all the sudden think Trent Green is washed up and a useless old man.Other than Peyton Manning he has been the most productive QB in the NFL since the end of the 2001 season.

I doubt it is that people think that he is "a useless old man," but that he a major head trama and may not be effective.

 

[Warpig]

I don't get how people all the sudden think Trent Green is washed up and a useless old man.Other than Peyton Manning he has been the most productive QB in the NFL since the end of the 2001 season.

I don't think people think Green is washed up. I think since things have been going well since Huard has been in (only one turnover!) that people are reluctant to turn the reigns back over to Green. What if he takes another head shot or a jarring hit and rattles something else loose in his noggin? Green is talking like he could play for 2 or 3 more years. Why risk another unnecessary injury and screwing up team chemistry? Like I said earlier...you'd think they'd know better.

 

[bjabrad]

Not sure what Huard has done to lose his job.

It's the whole "Starters don't lose their job due to injury" thing. Personally, I'm more a momentum/flow of the game kinda guy and they should leave Huard in there until he stumbles.You'd think the Chiefs would have learned their lesson from the Grbac/Gannon fiasco. If it ends up similar to that...then they deserve to miss the playoffs.

refresh my memory,,,it was too long ago for me to remember how it played out other than the fact that KC paid big bucks to Elvis and kept him instead of the better performing QB in Gannon and shipped off Gannon to OAK where he proved that what the fans saw in KC was no fluke.

 

[AnonymousBob]

I don't get how people all the sudden think Trent Green is washed up and a useless old man.

Other than Peyton Manning he has been the most productive QB in the NFL since the end of the 2001 season.

It's not as though Huard has been Andrew Walter-like in his starts. So if Green comes back and plays to his potential...he'll what, do as well as Huard is currently playing?

 

[Kevin Ashcraft]

I don't get how people all the sudden think Trent Green is washed up and a useless old man.Other than Peyton Manning he has been the most productive QB in the NFL since the end of the 2001 season.

I don't think people think Green is washed up. I think since things have been going well since Huard has been in (only one turnover!) that people are reluctant to turn the reigns back over to Green. What if he takes another head shot or a jarring hit and rattles something else loose in his noggin? Green is talking like he could play for 2 or 3 more years. Why risk another unnecessary injury and screwing up team chemistry? Like I said earlier...you'd think they'd know better.

Know better than who?Anyone can get a concussion on any play. If you are always worried about injuries, then get out of football.Team Chemistry? Green IS THEIR LEADER. He has been here since 2001.

 

[Warpig]

I don't get how people all the sudden think Trent Green is washed up and a useless old man.Other than Peyton Manning he has been the most productive QB in the NFL since the end of the 2001 season.

I don't think people think Green is washed up. I think since things have been going well since Huard has been in (only one turnover!) that people are reluctant to turn the reigns back over to Green. What if he takes another head shot or a jarring hit and rattles something else loose in his noggin? Green is talking like he could play for 2 or 3 more years. Why risk another unnecessary injury and screwing up team chemistry? Like I said earlier...you'd think they'd know better.

Know better than who?Anyone can get a concussion on any play. If you are always worried about injuries, then get out of football.Team Chemistry? Green IS THEIR LEADER. He has been here since 2001.

From listening to the local radio shows in KC it sounds like the fans are split on the issue. I'm not saying Green isn't a good QB and I'm not saying that he isn't a leader...anyone can be a leader if they are willing to step up and take that role. Which it appears Huard has done.Huard has better mobility than Green and has just as good, if not BETTER, arm and accuracy (obviously...just look at his qb rating and TD to turnover ratio). Green has always had the luxury of playing behind one of the best O-lines in the NFL. That isn't the case this year and Green paid the price in the first game of the season.I'm not a Chiefs fan but I pay alot of attention to the goings on in the organization. From an outsiders perspective...I think it's a mistake putting Green back in at this juncture. The only way they will learn is if it all falls apart again. Then all those Green supporters will be calling in saying it was stupid for Herm to play Green with his health and O-line in question. But what do I know?

 

[cr8f]

Not sure what Huard has done to lose his job.

It's the whole "Starters don't lose their job due to injury" thing. Personally, I'm more a momentum/flow of the game kinda guy and they should leave Huard in there until he stumbles.You'd think the Chiefs would have learned their lesson from the Grbac/Gannon fiasco. If it ends up similar to that...then they deserve to miss the playoffs.

Last week was a pretty big stumble.

 

[Kevin Ashcraft]

From listening to the local radio shows in KC it sounds like the fans are split on the issue. I'm not saying Green isn't a good QB and I'm not saying that he isn't a leader...anyone can be a leader if they are willing to step up and take that role. Which it appears Huard has done.Huard has better mobility than Green and has just as good, if not BETTER, arm and accuracy (obviously...just look at his qb rating and TD to turnover ratio). Green has always had the luxury of playing behind one of the best O-lines in the NFL. That isn't the case this year and Green paid the price in the first game of the season.I'm not a Chiefs fan but I pay alot of attention to the goings on in the organization. From an outsiders perspective...I think it's a mistake putting Green back in at this juncture. The only way they will learn is if it all falls apart again. Then all those Green supporters will be calling in saying it was stupid for Herm to play Green with his health and O-line in question. But what do I know?

No offense, but have you looked at Green's statistics. His accuracy is AMAZING.Trent Green2002 kan | 16 | 287 470 61.1 3690 7.9 26 13 2003 kan | 16 | 330 523 63.1 4039 7.7 24 12 2004 kan | 16 | 369 556 66.4 4591 8.3 27 17 2005 kan | 16 | 317 507 62.5 4014 7.9 17 10 Damon Huard2006 kan | 9 | 146 241 60.6 1824 7.6 11 1Better Completion %Better YPA

The only way they will learn is if it all falls apart again

When did it fall apart before? What are you referring to?

 

[SuperJohn96]

I am not a fan at all of "You don't lose your job due to injury".

I think that's crap.

However, I don't think it is a black and white issue either, and that it should be taken on a case-by-case basis, depending on the situation, and the QB (or other players) involved.

If the head coach was there a while and on shaky ground if he didn't produce a playoff appearance this year, then Huard would still be starting.

But Herm has the luxury of being in the first year of his reign wifth the Chiefs, and he can play the "injury" card however he sees fit.

And with comparing this to the Grbac/Gannon situation...let's be realistic here...

...Elvis Grbac was no Trent Green.

Trent Green has been a high caliber, often underestimated QB for several years now.

Sure he has benefitted from a good O-line...but he is still a very good QB.

As long as he is healthy, he is the team leader, and he should have his job back.

 

[Kevin Ashcraft]

...Elvis Grbac was no Trent Green.

Ain't that the truth

 

[One]

I sense a lot of bitter Huard owners. To say Green was declining before his injury is insane.

 

[gman8343]

Not sure what Huard has done to lose his job.

It's the whole "Starters don't lose their job due to injury" thing. Personally, I'm more a momentum/flow of the game kinda guy and they should leave Huard in there until he stumbles.You'd think the Chiefs would have learned their lesson from the Grbac/Gannon fiasco. If it ends up similar to that...then they deserve to miss the playoffs.

Didn't Huard lose to Miami last week? Green has been a very good QB, maybe even a great one, for the last few years. Huard has played very well but to me it's ridiculous to keep him on the field if indeed Green is healthy enough to suit up.

 

[Traders2001]

Not sure what Huard has done to lose his job.

If it was his job i would agee with you , but the question should be what has Trent Green done to lose his job ( Got injured , not a answer ) .Fixed.

 

[Traders2001]

I am not a fan at all of "You don't lose your job due to injury".I think that's crap.However, I don't think it is a black and white issue either, and that it should be taken on a case-by-case basis, depending on the situation, and the QB (or other players) involved.If the head coach was there a while and on shaky ground if he didn't produce a playoff appearance this year, then Huard would still be starting.But Herm has the luxury of being in the first year of his reign wifth the Chiefs, and he can play the "injury" card however he sees fit.And with comparing this to the Grbac/Gannon situation...let's be realistic here......Elvis Grbac was no Trent Green.Trent Green has been a high caliber, often underestimated QB for several years now.Sure he has benefitted from a good O-line...but he is still a very good QB.As long as he is healthy, he is the team leader, and he should have his job back.

Amazing smart post , not enough posters like you on this board.Most posts without thinking , like what has Huard done to lose his job ( well the job was nt his ).Now i know why you are smart , you are Canadian . ( from a Montrealer )

 

[Sputnikv8]

Good thing is that Green gets to play Oakland at home his first game back.

Bad thing is that it'll be without Gonzo -- his goto receiver.

I'm sensing a very good day for LJ. Very good indeed.

 

[SuperJohn96]

I am not a fan at all of "You don't lose your job due to injury".I think that's crap.However, I don't think it is a black and white issue either, and that it should be taken on a case-by-case basis, depending on the situation, and the QB (or other players) involved.If the head coach was there a while and on shaky ground if he didn't produce a playoff appearance this year, then Huard would still be starting.But Herm has the luxury of being in the first year of his reign wifth the Chiefs, and he can play the "injury" card however he sees fit.And with comparing this to the Grbac/Gannon situation...let's be realistic here......Elvis Grbac was no Trent Green.Trent Green has been a high caliber, often underestimated QB for several years now.Sure he has benefitted from a good O-line...but he is still a very good QB.As long as he is healthy, he is the team leader, and he should have his job back.

Amazing smart post , not enough posters like you on this board.Most posts without thinking , like what has Huard done to lose his job ( well the job was nt his ).Now i know why you are smart , you are Canadian . ( from a Montrealer )

Thanks...The thing is I have been on the Trent Green bandwagon for years now...As far as FF goes...... every year I would draft him for the best value you could get at QB and stock up at other positions.I think I had drafted him 4 years running maybe, and finally he was scooped up by my rival.Of course, he's 2-8 now and traded me Trent for Randy McMichael since I had Huard and he had garbage at TE... Me and Trent go back aways...I hope he finally drives me to win my local league...

 

[Marc Levin]

Green messing up chemistry is not the problem - loss of his favorite/best target for the next few weeks is a problem.

 

[Yo Eleven]

What are Huard's prospects going forward? In a dynasty league, is he worth holding onto? How long is he under contract in KC and is there a market out there for this guy if he is a free agent at season's end?

 

[AnonymousBob]

I sense a lot of bitter Huard owners. To say Green was declining before his injury is insane.

I don't own any Chiefs. I'm in the camp that doesn't believe jobs should simply be handed to one person or another based on recovering from injuries. If Green is far outperforming Huard in practice or if Huard were to falter in the actual games then I'd be all for replacing him. If Maurice Morris had blown up in Alexander's absence and the Seahawks had won all their games, IMO Shaun would have to show he was clearly the superior back before regaining the job. Sometimes all a player needs is an opportunity to show they've got some talent. Personally I don't give a rats ### what player x did in the past, in my book it's all about who's doing what in the here and now. I don't have any numbers besides td:int ratio but it seems to me Huard has played extremely well. Is it clear to everyone that Trent will play better than Huard has?

 

[AnonymousBob]

I am not a fan at all of "You don't lose your job due to injury".I think that's crap.However, I don't think it is a black and white issue either, and that it should be taken on a case-by-case basis, depending on the situation, and the QB (or other players) involved.If the head coach was there a while and on shaky ground if he didn't produce a playoff appearance this year, then Huard would still be starting.But Herm has the luxury of being in the first year of his reign wifth the Chiefs, and he can play the "injury" card however he sees fit.And with comparing this to the Grbac/Gannon situation...let's be realistic here......Elvis Grbac was no Trent Green.Trent Green has been a high caliber, often underestimated QB for several years now.Sure he has benefitted from a good O-line...but he is still a very good QB.As long as he is healthy, he is the team leader, and he should have his job back.

Amazing smart post , not enough posters like you on this board.Most posts without thinking , like what has Huard done to lose his job ( well the job was nt his ).Now i know why you are smart , you are Canadian . ( from a Montrealer )

Ooh, insulting other posters, this is always a good tactic to use. Your clever insult has clearly convinced me to change my opinion. If only I were Canadian, eh?

 

[billyjoe]

I don't get how people all the sudden think Trent Green is washed up and a useless old man.Other than Peyton Manning he has been the most productive QB in the NFL since the end of the 2001 season.

I doubt it is that people think that he is "a useless old man," but that he a major head trama and may not be effective.

May not be effective?Luckily the Chiefs invented this thing called "practice". It's like a real game, but it's only pretend. But it will let you know if a qb can make reads, make the throws, maybe even take a hit. Please don't tell anyone else about this "practice" stuff, cause I'm pretty sure once word leaks the rest of the league will be doing it too.Trent Green is a Pro Bowl QB. Huard is a journeymen 33 year old QB. He's a backup. The same reason Batch went back to the bench, Huard is going back to the bench. The original starter is just a better NFL QB. End of story.

 

[Gamblor]

Wasnt it Green who lost his job due to injury when Kurt Warner came out of nowhere a few years back? Glad to hear the guy doesnt have to go through that again.

 

[Kevin Ashcraft]

What are Huard's prospects going forward? In a dynasty league, is he worth holding onto? How long is he under contract in KC and is there a market out there for this guy if he is a free agent at season's end?

He is an UFA after this season. I doubt he gets a huge payday as he will be 34 when Training Camp starts next July.

 

[Kevin Ashcraft]

Herman Edwards meeting with media right now.....will post any relevant QB info.

 

[JerseyEagles]

Green + Kennison - Gonzo = Kennison owners

 

[Kevin Ashcraft]

Herman really said nothing new except that he changed his mind last night about naming the starter. He said he foresaw the media making it a big deal...causing a distraction in the locker room.

He said he knew from the time Trent was injured that Trent would get the job back. Damon did all he could and even more than we would have asked for, but that Trent Green has been the man for the Chiefs for several seasons.

 

[Marc Levin]

Herman really said nothing new except that he changed his mind last night about naming the starter. He said he foresaw the media making it a big deal...causing a distraction in the locker room.He said he knew from the time Trent was injured that Trent would get the job back. Damon did all he could and even more than we would have asked for, but that Trent Green has been the man for the Chiefs for several seasons.

soooo, the news is that Edwards has named Green the starter?

 

[Ozymandias]

I don't think it's a question of whether he "deserves" to get his job back, or whether Huard "deserves" to keep his job. If I am the coach, I evaluate both players and pick the one in which I have most confidence to run the offense and put points on the board. That is really Herm's call, and that of his assistant coaches.

Assuming no lingering effects of the concussion, Green is the better QB, and has proved it over the years. I think that it is probably easier for Herm to make the call for Green because they are playing Oakland, than it would be if they were playing Denver. It gives Green a chance to get back in the flow.

 

[gump]

Huard has better mobility than Green and has just as good, if not BETTER, arm and accuracy (obviously...just look at his qb rating and TD to turnover ratio).

I don't follow the Chiefs closely, but.....didn't a homer say that the KC offense has been scaled back with Huard at the helm to help him avoid mistakes?

 

[Marc Levin]

I think that it is probably easier for Herm to make the call for Green because they are playing Oakland, than it would be if they were playing Denver. It gives Green a chance to get back in the flow.

Because of the piss-poor Oakland run D?It's not b/c of the pass D, which is #2 in INTs, cmp, att, and #3 in yards and #9 in YPADenver's pass D = near the bottom of the league in all those categories except YPA, where they are #11.

 

[shadow2k]

Huard may only have one INT on his stat sheet, but that hardly tells the whole story. He's thrown a number of passes that should have been picked. I'm not talking about just one or two for the year, but I remember watching each week and thinking he was lucky not to have at least one pick, if not more. On top of that, he's also fumbled NINE times. Granted, they didn't lose all of them...but that's one more than Green the entire 2005 season. In all honestly, he should probably have as many turnovers as TD's...if not more.

Look, Huard has helped the Chiefs win while Green was gone. But Green is a vital part of that offense. You can post TD/INT ratios for Huard, or point out their W/L record with him. But what Green brings to the table is the deep threat that opens that running game back up. That hasn't been there all year, and it's been sorely missed. LJ has still gotten a lot of yards and TD's, but anyone who watched them play could tell you that the running game just hasn't been the same.

As a Chiefs homer, I'm excited to have Green back. I just hope Herm finds a way to protect him back there, as the O-Line isn't exactly at full strength right now.

 

[gump]

Considering Green is the unquestioned starter now, but also considering the difficult remaining schedule and Gonzo's injury...where do you guys see him fitting in to the "going forward" ranking of QBs?

 

[freelander]

Yeah... Trent (and Romo) are on our WW and I'm tempted to move A. Smith out as my #2 to Favre.

 

[Ozymandias]

I think that it is probably easier for Herm to make the call for Green because they are playing Oakland, than it would be if they were playing Denver. It gives Green a chance to get back in the flow.

Because of the piss-poor Oakland run D?It's not b/c of the pass D, which is #2 in INTs, cmp, att, and #3 in yards and #9 in YPADenver's pass D = near the bottom of the league in all those categories except YPA, where they are #11.

Exactly. They can run all day on Oakland, and Green won't be called upon to throw for 300 yards. It gives him a chance to adjust the the speed of the game without as much stress.

 

[Jestefarean]

As a Gonzo owner I'm worried about this. Gonzo has seemed to be more involved in the passing game the past few weeks then he has been in a long time. I'm worried some of that may be Greens fault, and impact him when he comes back...

 

[Marc Levin]

I think that it is probably easier for Herm to make the call for Green because they are playing Oakland, than it would be if they were playing Denver. It gives Green a chance to get back in the flow.

Because of the piss-poor Oakland run D?It's not b/c of the pass D, which is #2 in INTs, cmp, att, and #3 in yards and #9 in YPADenver's pass D = near the bottom of the league in all those categories except YPA, where they are #11.

Exactly. They can run all day on Oakland, and Green won't be called upon to throw for 300 yards. It gives him a chance to adjust the the speed of the game without as much stress.

I think you are correct - I wouldn't expect huge numbers from Green either of the next two weeks, but I would look for him to be efficient and to manage the team well. That is what Edwards will be looking for - especially with Gonzo out. He doesn't exactly have an easy schedule down the stretch here, but he should be a target for folks looking for an improvement at their QB2 spot.I also believe Green's presence will improve LJ's stats simply because he is a very efficient QB on third down and in the red zone. The continuation of more drives should create even more offensive opportunities for LJ.

 

[Marc Levin]

As a Gonzo owner I'm worried about this. Gonzo has seemed to be more involved in the passing game the past few weeks then he has been in a long time. I'm worried some of that may be Greens fault, and impact him when he comes back...

Not sure if you meant Huard here?

 

[Gamblor]

As a Gonzo owner I'm worried about this. Gonzo has seemed to be more involved in the passing game the past few weeks then he has been in a long time. I'm worried some of that may be Greens fault, and impact him when he comes back...

Not sure if you meant Huard here?

Nope - he meant Green.

 

[Sputnikv8]

No way was gonzo's lack of production Greens fault. They had to keep Gonzo back because the o-line couldn't block. The past few weeks, though, the line has started to gel and I think that Gonzo will continue to be able to go out on patterns.

Green coming back won't hurt Gonzo.

 

[Marc Levin]

As a Gonzo owner I'm worried about this. Gonzo has seemed to be more involved in the passing game the past few weeks then he has been in a long time. I'm worried some of that may be Greens fault, and impact him when he comes back...

Not sure if you meant Huard here?

Nope - he meant Green.

Why Green's fault?Didn't Gonzo also put up big numbers under Green?

I'd say the emergence of LJ was what kept Gonzo's production down - it was his TDs that took a nose dive last year, not his yardage.

 

[Gamblor]

As a Gonzo owner I'm worried about this. Gonzo has seemed to be more involved in the passing game the past few weeks then he has been in a long time. I'm worried some of that may be Greens fault, and impact him when he comes back...

Not sure if you meant Huard here?

Nope - he meant Green.

Why Green's fault?Didn't Gonzo also put up big numbers under Green?

I'd say the emergence of LJ was what kept Gonzo's production down - it was his TDs that took a nose dive last year, not his yardage.

Dont ask me - im just telling you what he meant.

 

[tombonneau]

Of course he was named starter -- just cut him to start rotating in Defenses.

Anyway, I was willing to make the move bc I felt even if Green comes back soon, KC does not have a pass-friendly remaining schedule. In fact according to FBG Strength of Schedule KC has THE WORST remaining schedule for QBs.

Rusty 35yo (older?) QB coming off huge major concussion where he was on the shelf for 10 weeks with a killer pass defense schedule and missing his #1 target=No thanks.

Anyone expecting Green to be a savior steal on the ww should think twice.

I think short-term its great for LJ as they should want to rely on him even more as Green gets his legs under him.