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Troy Smith's Pro Day Notes (1 Viewer)
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blenderfrog
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prymetyme25
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I thought Troy was pressing too hard at the combine and at the senior bowl. He was trying too hard to rifle every pass which made him erratic and he couldn't show the accuracy that i've seen him display before. Overall I think he will, make a team happy, very happy. I tend to like guys who get better in college as oppose to those who come in and are good from the start. (you dont get to see an improvement) I see his development similar to the way VY developed. Years 1&2 so so but years 3&4 hugely improved. I think that shows that he has the ability to adapt quickly to the league.
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phthalatemagic
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Balco
Footballguy
I like Troy Smith alot. That Florida game was abyssmal, and it probably cost him several million dollars, but this guy is going to be a very good qb. And he will likely be available in the 2nd, possibly 3rd round. He completes a high percentage of his passes (please check out that Michigan game, which was pretty big), can run with the football, and everyone says what a great leader he is.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
I love the exception to the rule argument...Smith is no Brees.
prymetyme25
Footballguy
true. but I remember when Drew Brees wasn't even Drew Brees
Balco
Footballguy
Could you compare them coming out of college?
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Smith was more athletic, but Brees to me showed more upside because of his ability to carry Purdue.Let's put it this way, Smith might be the next Brees, but the odds are extremely stacked against him. Smith should be happy to have Shaun King's NFL career.
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prymetyme25
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WOW. Shaun King? Thats awfully harshDepending on who drafts him I see him no worse that Seneca Wallace who I think could be a decent starter.
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Family Matters
Footballguy
Another highly credible post against a BIG TEN and OSU player. What's interesting to me is that I know you probably haven't watched him play because you hate the BIG TEN and OSU. So what exactly are you basing your analisys on?Here are few more exceptions you forgot:Brees, Brunell, Flutie, Garcia, Bob Griese, Hadl, Haden, Carley Johnson, Jurgenson, Kemp, Kramer, Krieg, Layne, LeBaron, Lujack, Luckman, McMahon, Morrall, Parilli, Peete, Plum, Starr, Stewart, Tarkenton, Theismann, Thomason, Tittle, Tolliver, Tomczak, Vick, Waterfield are all guys listed 6'1" or less that played in the NFL. Some better than others. Some HOF'ers. Hardly ground breaking.
phthalatemagic
Footballguy
I think height is a bigger issue now that linemen don't average 5'10".You cannot automatically discount Smith from being potentially a good player becuase of his lack of height, however it's clearly a negative attribute. Isn't it?
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Balco
Footballguy
Huh? Brees played in Joe Tiller's spread, qb friendly offense at Purdue. Smith played in a more traditional Pro Style system. Like I said, what really sticks out to me is Smith's completion %. I think he is going to be a good one.
Balco
Footballguy
In every passing system, the qb needs lanes to throw the football. Most O lineman are in the 6'3 to 6'5 range. And there aren't many 6'6 qbs. Size can be a hindrance but by no means is an indicator of whether a qb will be successful or not. Talent ultimately decides that.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Every analyst and their mom mark it as a huge negative...but obviously the homers are taking over in this thread.Signed, Charlie Ward
Balco
Footballguy
Aside from height, what would you base your comparison between Ward and Smith on?
phthalatemagic
Footballguy
Sounds like we are in agreement!
phthalatemagic
Footballguy
Right, I'm not going to compare Smith to Charlie Ward or such, but those that think height isn't going to play a role in how good Smith will be in the NFL are just ignoring things. Can he overcome it? Of course. I don't think anyone is saying it will be impossible for Smith to have a good career, just that his lack of height isn't helping things. What's wrong with that?
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Actually Ward is substantially taller than Smiith.Anyhow I think the comparison is glaringly obviousa) Heisman trophy winners from powerhouse teams(neither should have won)b) athleticc) undersized by NFL standardsSmith has a stronger arm and is faster from what I can recall.
Irish
Footballguy
Answer me this does it matter whether a qb is 6'1" or 6'3" if his lineman are all 6'5" in regards to seeing over his lineman?
Family Matters
Footballguy
If the point by Lhucks is that being shorter will make it harder for him to succeed than we can all agree. But he's left the impression that he's "too short" which what he said in his first post. Clearly he has not watched Troy play. You really can't say someone is "too short" and leave it at that. You have to at least take a look at what he's doen and evaluate him from a player perspective, not height. I've provided many examples of people that have succeeded that are shorter than Troy. A few have even had HOF careers.
If anyone watched all the games Troy played, as I have, then you can clearly see he's been able to overcome the height issues and play extremely well especially in big games. That doesn't mean he will be a good NFL QB although I think he will fairly well.
I will go on record and say this. If Troy fails as a QB it will not be because of his height. It will be because he's not a good QB.
If anyone watched all the games Troy played, as I have, then you can clearly see he's been able to overcome the height issues and play extremely well especially in big games. That doesn't mean he will be a good NFL QB although I think he will fairly well.
I will go on record and say this. If Troy fails as a QB it will not be because of his height. It will be because he's not a good QB.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Yes it does.....How often do linemen stand strait up? They may be 6'5" but they are hunched over. If a QB is 6'3" he can 1)see over then easier2)not have his passes knocked down as easy3) See the entire field better
Irish
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Marc Faletti
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Is it that you dislike black QBs who also happen to be athletic, LHUCKS?
The real test is Isaiah Stanback - black, athletic, but also from the PAC 10
gocats
Footballguy
And he lacks 'it'
gocats
Footballguy
He has some potential I'll admit that, but the only year he has been called upon, to open up the offense and get away from traditional Ohio State football was this season, and I dont think he made the most of his chances, he made quite a few dumb mistakes against UM that you wouldnt expect from someone that has been in the system that long. As for his other big game against UF, well you know the story. He's also a malcontent off the field, he got arrested for punching a woman right before he attended OSU, and he also accepted money from a booster.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
I dislike QBs that get by on their athleticism in college because that often translates to a bust in the NFL.I loved Leftwich and McNabb coming out of college.
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LHUCKS
Footballguy
will likely not be a good pro...wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole unless I was changing his position.
phthalatemagic
Footballguy
It's also difficult to determine how much it Troy Smith, and how much was his teammates. Ohio State is a very talented team, and an average QB can look like a wizard behind all future NFL players.
Bob Henry
Footballguy
I like Sean Baca's comments on the Raiders taking Calvin Johnson and then _hoping_ Troy Smith is there in the 2nd. Actually, this is my hope for the Lions one pick later in each round. I think the Lions would be better served taking the proverbial BPA (non-QB) with the 2nd overall or even moving down a few slots if the right deal presents itself, then take Troy in the 2nd.
I prefer Troy over Drew Stanton myself.. but having watched Stanton in person since he was a 10th grader.. I wouldn't mind seeing the former Harrison Hawk join the Lions either. For his sake, I hope he goes elsewhere though.
I prefer Troy over Drew Stanton myself.. but having watched Stanton in person since he was a 10th grader.. I wouldn't mind seeing the former Harrison Hawk join the Lions either. For his sake, I hope he goes elsewhere though.
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LHUCKS
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TwinTurbo
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I am a Big Ten fan and I actually agree with LHUCKS. I've watched just about every OSU game and Troy Smith is not a top shelf NFL prospect. I would put a third round grade on him based on his skillset. He is not close to a Vince Young type of talent. I do like the fact that he is a big game type of player. But there are a lot of holes in his game. He will be a project for any NFL team and I would be suprised if he went earlier than the late 2nd round.
TwinTurbo
Footballguy
I am a Lions fan and really hope they draft Drew Stanton. I think Stanton has much more NFL potential than Troy Smith. I see Stanton as having just a much potential as Brady Quinn, but with more risk.I like Sean Baca's comments on the Raiders taking Calvin Johnson and then _hoping_ Troy Smith is there in the 2nd. Actually, this is my hope for the Lions one pick later in each round. I think the Lions would be better served taking the proverbial BPA (non-QB) with the 2nd overall or even moving down a few slots if the right deal presents itself, then take Troy in the 2nd. I prefer Troy over Drew Stanton myself.. but having watched Stanton in person since he was a 10th grader.. I wouldn't mind seeing the former Harrison Hawk join the Lions either. For his sake, I hope he goes elsewhere though.
Family Matters
Footballguy
I respect your opinion because you have one and at least you made an effort to say why you feel the way you do. But consider this. He's proven himself in 2 different offensive systems. Last year he was more of a scrambler while this year he was a drop back pro style passer. Seems that would bolster his chances of success, not hurt it. Clearly he can and did learn and developed his game as expected.By saying he didn't make the most of his chances, you mean by getting to the National Championship game? You mean by winning the Heisman? You mean going on the road in hostile environments such as Texas and Iowa and winning easily? You mean winning the BIG TEN outright? You mean owning Michigan, the schools arch rival for 3 years? You mean his performance in big games besides the Florida game like crushing ND? Setting school records and such? Seriously, did you actually mean to say that? Not sure what more he could do.If you want to criticize Troy for a couple og mistakes in what has been described as "The Game Of The Century", then I guess you can criticize anyone that plays because no one plays a perfect game. Especially in "The Game Of The Century".UF was 1 game and it was bad across the board. You may have also noticed that he had no time to drop back and throw. Hardly a game that defines a player's career or chances in the NFL. As for the malcontent comment, please. This is where he blew everyone away. He's demonstrated for 2 years that he has overcome "any" issues. His performance off the field has been as good as any player to ever play my friend. Sometimes people do overcome their environment. Troy has set the bar very high for all athletes. Especilly those challenged the way he was growing up. You want to say he's lacking top shelf skills and I'd say you're right. But one the things you can't argue is his character.
Family Matters
Footballguy
Troy out played in Stanton in the Elite 11 camps. Many regarded Stanton as the better QB before that camp.I like Sean Baca's comments on the Raiders taking Calvin Johnson and then _hoping_ Troy Smith is there in the 2nd. Actually, this is my hope for the Lions one pick later in each round. I think the Lions would be better served taking the proverbial BPA (non-QB) with the 2nd overall or even moving down a few slots if the right deal presents itself, then take Troy in the 2nd. I prefer Troy over Drew Stanton myself.. but having watched Stanton in person since he was a 10th grader.. I wouldn't mind seeing the former Harrison Hawk join the Lions either. For his sake, I hope he goes elsewhere though.
Family Matters
Footballguy
Then you and Lhucks don't agree. No one suggested Troy was a top shelf prospect. 2nd to 3rd round is about right and where most experts expect him to go. He has some upside. If given the chance I think he could do decently. But I would be surprised somewhat if he did real well. You're right in that there's a lot to be learned at the pro level. Height isn't one of them however.I am a Big Ten fan and I actually agree with LHUCKS. I've watched just about every OSU game and Troy Smith is not a top shelf NFL prospect. I would put a third round grade on him based on his skillset. He is not close to a Vince Young type of talent. I do like the fact that he is a big game type of player. But there are a lot of holes in his game. He will be a project for any NFL team and I would be suprised if he went earlier than the late 2nd round.
jurb26
Footballguy
Stanton will be the best QB of this class.
Bob Henry
Footballguy
I really think both of these QB are potential steals in the 2nd round. I love Stanton's physical attributes as much as the next guy. I watched him play on Friday nights for three years at the local HS. Athletically, he reminds me very much of Mark Brunell at the same age. He played safety and, as a freshman at MSU, John L Smith took a lot of heat when Stanton was playing on the kickoff coverage team and hurt his knee. He's NOT afraid of contact and he can play a bit wreckless at times. That's what worries me about him. That, and I thought he'd do even better than he did at MSU than he did. Quite honestly, he disappointed me last year. He melted down between the ears a bit too often, but I still think - with some good coaching and the right team - he could easily be the best QB in this class. I don't doubt him for a second. MSU was just plain wretched this year. Stanton was just about the only reason that I tuned in to watch them every week. He made Michigan look as bad as Troy Smith did, especially a few years ago in the OT/Braylon Edwards game. If he didn't get hurt in that game, it's unlikely Michigan would've won.Having watched Smith play a ton, too.. I think he's got "it". I know that's cliche, but as a Wolverine fan, it pained me watching him play for the other team each Saturday. I've seen some special performances in the big house in the past twenty years and what Smith did to Michigan (and the other teams too) ranks up there with the best. What he does at the next level remains to be seen, but I like what he brings to the table and I think he'll be fine.. just fine. The essence of what I was saying originally is that I'd much rather swing for the fences with a Calvin Johnson, Adrian Peterson or even Joe Thomas and take my chances with Smith/Stanton than I would going for Quinn/Russell at the top of the first. And just being honest, I'm not sure if either one fits Mike Martz' offense perfectly, but both could be great values in the 2nd round and decent fantasy QBs some day, too.Family Matters said:Troy out played in Stanton in the Elite 11 camps. Many regarded Stanton as the better QB before that camp.Bob Henry said:I like Sean Baca's comments on the Raiders taking Calvin Johnson and then _hoping_ Troy Smith is there in the 2nd. Actually, this is my hope for the Lions one pick later in each round. I think the Lions would be better served taking the proverbial BPA (non-QB) with the 2nd overall or even moving down a few slots if the right deal presents itself, then take Troy in the 2nd. I prefer Troy over Drew Stanton myself.. but having watched Stanton in person since he was a 10th grader.. I wouldn't mind seeing the former Harrison Hawk join the Lions either. For his sake, I hope he goes elsewhere though.
Family Matters
Footballguy
Solid post Bob. It's nice to see honest feedback instead of the lens colored homer hate that's been witnessed in this thread.Like you I feel both have a good chance to earn roster spots and play in the NFL. Not sure where I think either fits as a star. I can agree that both can be stars but I guess I feel that it is more likely they will do average rather than star in the NFL. I hope I'm wrong because I'd love to see both of these guys succeed. From a strategy standpoint I like your thinking. Get the star WR/OL and take a chance with one of these guys. A good QB coach can make them better. A couple of great WR's can make them better. A great line gives them a real chance at success. I'll take Thomas and Smith and over many other options available in the draft.I really think both of these QB are potential steals in the 2nd round. I love Stanton's physical attributes as much as the next guy. I watched him play on Friday nights for three years at the local HS. Athletically, he reminds me very much of Mark Brunell at the same age. He played safety and, as a freshman at MSU, John L Smith took a lot of heat when Stanton was playing on the kickoff coverage team and hurt his knee. He's NOT afraid of contact and he can play a bit wreckless at times. That's what worries me about him. That, and I thought he'd do even better than he did at MSU than he did. Quite honestly, he disappointed me last year. He melted down between the ears a bit too often, but I still think - with some good coaching and the right team - he could easily be the best QB in this class. I don't doubt him for a second. MSU was just plain wretched this year. Stanton was just about the only reason that I tuned in to watch them every week. He made Michigan look as bad as Troy Smith did, especially a few years ago in the OT/Braylon Edwards game. If he didn't get hurt in that game, it's unlikely Michigan would've won.Having watched Smith play a ton, too.. I think he's got "it". I know that's cliche, but as a Wolverine fan, it pained me watching him play for the other team each Saturday. I've seen some special performances in the big house in the past twenty years and what Smith did to Michigan (and the other teams too) ranks up there with the best. What he does at the next level remains to be seen, but I like what he brings to the table and I think he'll be fine.. just fine. The essence of what I was saying originally is that I'd much rather swing for the fences with a Calvin Johnson, Adrian Peterson or even Joe Thomas and take my chances with Smith/Stanton than I would going for Quinn/Russell at the top of the first. And just being honest, I'm not sure if either one fits Mike Martz' offense perfectly, but both could be great values in the 2nd round and decent fantasy QBs some day, too.Family Matters said:Troy out played in Stanton in the Elite 11 camps. Many regarded Stanton as the better QB before that camp.Bob Henry said:I like Sean Baca's comments on the Raiders taking Calvin Johnson and then _hoping_ Troy Smith is there in the 2nd. Actually, this is my hope for the Lions one pick later in each round. I think the Lions would be better served taking the proverbial BPA (non-QB) with the 2nd overall or even moving down a few slots if the right deal presents itself, then take Troy in the 2nd. I prefer Troy over Drew Stanton myself.. but having watched Stanton in person since he was a 10th grader.. I wouldn't mind seeing the former Harrison Hawk join the Lions either. For his sake, I hope he goes elsewhere though.
matt jones
Footballguy
I knew he wasn't that fast. I loved how the commentators thought he was a 4.4 guy lmao. I always thought he was slow and hurt the team by running so much. Especially in the biggest game he'll ever play in. If Troy stayed in the pocket more he'd be better, but he's so short it can hurt his vision. I think Troy Smith is a second day pick.
As a fan of football at all levels in northeast Ohio, I've followed Troy Smith for awhile now. At first, I wasnt happy about him taking over at Ohio State. I thought Justin Zwick was a better fit as a drop back passer. Troy Smith relied too much on his legs early on in his career. One thing that is definately true about Smith is his ability to adapt. By his senior year, he was pretty much a drop back passer. I can remember many times yelling at the TV screen for him to scramble, but he wouldn't. He'd stand in the pocket and deliver a strike. Now, I'm not sure his game will transition well to the NFL or not, but at least he has proven that he can adapt and grow.
AtomicDogg97
Footballguy
About Troy Smith struggling to throw behind an NFL offensive line because of his size.......um, maybe you haven't checked but Ohio State's offesnive line is probably BIGGER than some NFL teams. The left tackle Alex Boone is 6 foot 8 (and will be a top 10 NFL draft pick in a few years).
