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SOMETHING TO PROVE: Needless to say, WR Troy Williamson needs to re-make himself this offseason. He has been a bust since getting drafted No. 7 overall in 2005 and needs to work on every facet of his game. Williamson's biggest problem is that he struggles to adjust to the ball on deep balls; that renders his 4.3 speed moot. There are mixed opinions on whether that skill can be acquired or whether a player innately has it. New receivers coach George Stewart will have his work cut out for him on that account. Williamson also needs to show more fire to earn Childress' trust. Williamson has a laid-back personality, and Childress wants players who are angry when they are taken out of the lineup and work hard to get back in. Williamson has not always done that in his career.
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Whats your call?
 
I'm not sure how much you can coach your hands if you have the dropsies?

I would make him catch a nerf football all summer and maybe he could learn soft hands? :wub:

 
he needs to prove his hands aren't made of stone. People waiting on him to break out are like the people that kept waiting on David Boston. Move on, he sucks.

 
cscmtp said:
he needs to prove his hands aren't made of stone. People waiting on him to break out are like the people that kept waiting on David Boston. Move on, he sucks.
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Boston had a 1600 yard season and ranked 3rd in fantasy points in 2001. If Williamson can put up that, I'll wait on him.
 
Yitbos69 said:
phillzphan said:
cscmtp said:
he needs to prove his hands aren't made of stone. People waiting on him to break out are like the people that kept waiting on David Boston. Move on, he sucks.
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Boston had a 1600 yard season and ranked 3rd in fantasy points in 2001. If Williamson can put up that, I'll wait on him.
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Boston had two good years out of a possible 7...keep waiting!
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:banned: So, people waited and seasons 2 & 3 were great. Thats where the waiting ends. Now people are...waiting again? I agree that we're waiting for Williamson to come out, and theres a clear chance he doens't, but bringing in David Boston is pretty useless. Besides, Boston had much bigger problems that led to his demise: http://firedavewannstedt.com/1442boston-med.jpg

who can catch with those anyway?

 
I am one who actually thinks he has a decent year and bounces back...NOt top tier, but a good year to move on with.

He is one my buy low list in dynasty leagues..

 
Scooby said:
I am one who actually thinks he has a decent year and bounces back...NOt top tier, but a good year to move on with.He is one my buy low list in dynasty leagues..
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:pickle: I am right there with you only because we are from the same town.
 
Since I have him and his trade value is way low right now, I'll hang on to him until the 2008 season is over. I'll however not expect WR3 numbers any time soon

 
I am officially off the Williamson bandwagon for '07. I'm not sure that he can learn to adjust on deep balls (his biggest problem) when he just doesn't get that much work. Chilli doesn't seem to play any WR for a full game, and he doesn't throw deep enough to allow Williamson to get much real game experience. If confidence is a factor, he can't shake off mistakes and say "I'll get the next one" when the next one won't come for two more games. In Chilli's offense, Williamson's upside is limited.

 
I have no link to this, but I heard rumors that he had eye issues...almost like Jake Reed did early on in his career. I wonder if anyone else has heard this.

 
I can't believe people are willing to give up on a player that's not even 24 years old yet! Give him a chance.

Of course, I remember hearing how absolutely STOOPID the Vikings were for taking him over Mike Williams.

 
Chase Stuart said:
I can't believe people are willing to give up on a player that's not even 24 years old yet! Give him a chance.Of course, I remember hearing how absolutely STOOPID the Vikings were for taking him over Mike Williams.
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I actually think both players would have grown more with the other team. If Williamson was with the Lions and Williams with the Vikes I think thier careers would both be better off.
 
Bull Dozier said:
Chilli doesn't seem to play any WR for a full game, and he doesn't throw deep enough to allow Williamson to get much real game experience.
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:rolleyes: Unfortunately, my evidence is looking at how many chances this kid got to make a good name for himself when instead he dropped the ball. He has the opportunities, even wtih Brad Johnson at the helm. He'll have his shot. He's a talented player and he'll at least have an opportunity to win the coaches/qb/team over. He just needs to fix some things.
I have no link to this, but I heard rumors that he had eye issues...almost like Jake Reed did early on in his career. I wonder if anyone else has heard this.
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Yes. There was definitely talk about this a few months ago ... can't find the article right now though
 
If I owned him in a 20+ player dynasty league I would hold onto him. If I was looking to Draft him in a redraft league I would see him as the 65-70 WR taken

 
Chase Stuart said:
I can't believe people are willing to give up on a player that's not even 24 years old yet! Give him a chance.Of course, I remember hearing how absolutely STOOPID the Vikings were for taking him over Mike Williams.
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I haven't given up on him, I just think he's in the wrong offense.
 
I was one who thought he was a mistake as a draft pick that early. I understood that he was very fast but his college numbers were not very good. It was argued that his college numbers were not reflective of his talent because he was on a running team. He appeared to be a reach IMO and I am still not sold that he will produce since he never even really did at the college level.

 
Warhogs said:
I was one who thought he was a mistake as a draft pick that early. I understood that he was very fast but his college numbers were not very good. It was argued that his college numbers were not reflective of his talent because he was on a running team. He appeared to be a reach IMO and I am still not sold that he will produce since he never even really did at the college level.
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With Tarvaris Jackson at the helm, I believe Williamson's outlook is slightly brighter. Jackson has a stronger arm, and seemed to target Williamson more than any other receiver when he was playing. Compare his stats to Reggie Wayne, and you will have a better outlook for him. At least he has improved each year he has been in the league. I'd say this year is his last chance to become a stud, otherwise he will always be a role player like Reggie Williams. Also, last season reflects the performance of the Vikings, as does Cgester Taylor's. The Vikes started well out of the gate, but in the second half faded miserably, as did Williamson.
 
Obviously he has something to prove. He's been horrendous so far. Unfortunately, it is sort of difficult to imagine a guy learning to react to and catch a football between the ages of 23 and 24.

 
The guy didn't have drops last year...just this year, so I don't see the drops as being a huge issue. He made a couple drops and let it get to him. It is psychological, not physical, which can easily be fixed in the offseason. He will be fine.

 
from what a i saw, he doesn't run great routes, his hands suck, and he's not a big guy. He has one thing, speed. That's it. And that's not NEARLY enough to make it in the NFL IMO...

 
FunkyPlutos said:
The guy didn't have drops last year...just this year, so I don't see the drops as being a huge issue. He made a couple drops and let it get to him. It is psychological, not physical, which can easily be fixed in the offseason. He will be fine.
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I don't know about a couple drops. He made a lot of drops and some were in big 3rd down situations at the end of games that took the offense off the field. He's going to have to get his confidence back and gain the confidence of his teammates (QB). just catch the damn ball and it all goes away. If he can't, he won't be the first WR taken in the first round that didn't pan out.

 
cscmtp said:
from what a i saw, he doesn't run great routes, his hands suck, and he's not a big guy. He has one thing, speed. That's it. And that's not NEARLY enough to make it in the NFL IMO...
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At age 23, TO had 520 yards and 4 TDs. At age 23, Marvin Harrison wasn't in the NFL. At age 26 Jimmy Smith had less than 300 career yards. Don't you think it's just a wee bit early to write this guy off, especially since he had to deal with a horrible QB last year?
 
I don't see how anyone can say he doesen't run good routes. Williamson has some sick ability when it comes to getting open.

All he needs to do is seal the deal and he could be a special player. I don't know if that will happen or not but Williamson is worth being paitient with for sure imo.

Some solid Qbing couldn't hurt.

More drops and he wont get much opportunity though. So thats the key.

 
Chase Stuart said:
cscmtp said:
from what a i saw, he doesn't run great routes, his hands suck, and he's not a big guy. He has one thing, speed. That's it. And that's not NEARLY enough to make it in the NFL IMO...
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At age 23, TO had 520 yards and 4 TDs. At age 23, Marvin Harrison wasn't in the NFL. At age 26 Jimmy Smith had less than 300 career yards. Don't you think it's just a wee bit early to write this guy off, especially since he had to deal with a horrible QB last year?
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You're aweful stuck on this age thing. Experience means just as much. In your comparisons, TO had one season under his belt, and put up those numbers as second fiddle to Jerry Rice. In TO's second season, with Rice out, TO put up 60 catches for 936 yards and 8 TDs. So, not only was TO's rookie season better than either of Williamson's, TO put up better seasons with a good WR on the other side (Rice) and a bad one (JJ Stokes).As for Harrison, in his first year he put up 64-836-8. Do you really see Williamson putting up those numbers with Jackson throwing him the ball? I thought those numbers were possible with a veteran Johnson, but with a young Jackson, I don't see that happening. Since he'll be the same age as Harrison, would you write him off then? I would think no, because you have to look more deeply into the situation not just at their age. It's a silly comparison to make in a vaccuum.

Besides, Williamson's biggest issue is his hands. His route running may or may not be top notch, but he is quick enough and fast enough to get open regularly regardless, so whether or not he improves his route running, he'd still be a viable recevier IF he can catch. Most good receivers don'e need to reach the age of 24 to learn how to catch the ball.

 
Chase Stuart said:
cscmtp said:
from what a i saw, he doesn't run great routes, his hands suck, and he's not a big guy. He has one thing, speed. That's it. And that's not NEARLY enough to make it in the NFL IMO...
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At age 23, TO had 520 yards and 4 TDs. At age 23, Marvin Harrison wasn't in the NFL. At age 26 Jimmy Smith had less than 300 career yards. Don't you think it's just a wee bit early to write this guy off, especially since he had to deal with a horrible QB last year?
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:boxing: I am still leary, but... :wub:
 
Bull Dozier said:
You're aweful stuck on this age thing. Experience means just as much.
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You'd expect a rookie 22 year old WR to be worse than a rookie 24 year old WR. Ten rookie age 22 had 1,000 yard seasons as rookies. Forty-five WRs age 24 had 1,000 yard seasons as rookies.Williamson was drafted high because he was a prospect. I just think you have to give them more time than you'd otherwise might want to.
 
brednbuddah said:
FunkyPlutos said:
The guy didn't have drops last year...just this year, so I don't see the drops as being a huge issue. He made a couple drops and let it get to him. It is psychological, not physical, which can easily be fixed in the offseason. He will be fine.
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I don't know about a couple drops. He made a lot of drops and some were in big 3rd down situations at the end of games that took the offense off the field. He's going to have to get his confidence back and gain the confidence of his teammates (QB). just catch the damn ball and it all goes away. If he can't, he won't be the first WR taken in the first round that didn't pan out.
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Considering he didn't drop the ball much his rookie year, I'm going to chalk up his drops in 2006 as a fluke.2005: 2 drops in 52 targets

2006: 11 drops in 76 targets

 
Chase Stuart said:
cscmtp said:
from what a i saw, he doesn't run great routes, his hands suck, and he's not a big guy. He has one thing, speed. That's it. And that's not NEARLY enough to make it in the NFL IMO...
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At age 23, TO had 520 yards and 4 TDs. At age 23, Marvin Harrison wasn't in the NFL. At age 26 Jimmy Smith had less than 300 career yards. Don't you think it's just a wee bit early to write this guy off, especially since he had to deal with a horrible QB last year?
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Yes, you can name some players that took a while to develop but became studs. I'm sure you could name more that never became anything after underperforming a couple years into the league.So, I'm really not sure what your point is here. If it's that it's possible he could be a great player still, okay... It's also possible that some no name WR drafted in the 7th round this year turns into the next big thing, but I wouldn't exactly call it probable.

What is there outside of the fact that he's 24 that leads you to believe he'll be one of the rare exceptions?...

 
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Chase Stuart said:
Bull Dozier said:
You're aweful stuck on this age thing. Experience means just as much.
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You'd expect a rookie 22 year old WR to be worse than a rookie 24 year old WR. Ten rookie age 22 had 1,000 yard seasons as rookies. Forty-five WRs age 24 had 1,000 yard seasons as rookies.Williamson was drafted high because he was a prospect. I just think you have to give them more time than you'd otherwise might want to.
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Out of curiousity, what's the sample size of each of those groups. By themselves, the stats you've posted here are pretty meaningless.
 
The part that I like about the guy is that he can create separation at this level. Like I mentioned before, I believe his drops are mental. I think he will overcome that from this year and be highly productive next season.

 
DrJ said:
Chase Stuart said:
cscmtp said:
from what a i saw, he doesn't run great routes, his hands suck, and he's not a big guy. He has one thing, speed. That's it. And that's not NEARLY enough to make it in the NFL IMO...
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At age 23, TO had 520 yards and 4 TDs. At age 23, Marvin Harrison wasn't in the NFL. At age 26 Jimmy Smith had less than 300 career yards. Don't you think it's just a wee bit early to write this guy off, especially since he had to deal with a horrible QB last year?
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Yes, you can name some players that took a while to develop but became studs. I'm sure you could name more that never became anything after underperforming a couple years into the league.So, I'm really not sure what your point is here. If it's that it's possible he could be a great player still, okay... It's also possible that some no name WR drafted in the 7th round this year turns into the next big thing, but I wouldn't exactly call it probable.

What is there outside of the fact that he's 24 that leads you to believe he'll be one of the rare exceptions?...
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At this point I think it's about 50/50 whether he goes the David Terrell route or the Santana Moss route. The bottom line is the talent is there and if he can cut down on the drops and improve his route running he could be a good WR. Right now he's next to worthless in dynasty leagues and is one of the best buy low guys out there.
 
Chase Stuart said:
Bull Dozier said:
You're aweful stuck on this age thing. Experience means just as much.
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You'd expect a rookie 22 year old WR to be worse than a rookie 24 year old WR. Ten rookie age 22 had 1,000 yard seasons as rookies. Forty-five WRs age 24 had 1,000 yard seasons as rookies.Williamson was drafted high because he was a prospect. I just think you have to give them more time than you'd otherwise might want to.
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Well, my main point is focusing on his age is the wrong thing. His age an/or lack of experience aren't his biggest hindraces to his success. His situation is. Even if Williamson suddenly plays like he has stickum on his hands, his upside is limited by Childress' offense. Williamson has shown absolutely nothing to make anyone think he is going to be a fantasy beast regardless of who is throwing him the ball.As far as your age comparrison, sure, you'd expect a 22 year old rookie to not fare as well as a 24 year old rookie, but would you expect a 24 year old with two years experience to fare better or worse than a 24 year old rookie?
 
Orgazmo said:
Wasn't George Stewart the receivers coach for the Falcons? :goodposting:
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Haha, he sure was. That caught my eye when I was skimming the blogger page - I'm a Falcons fan and believe me, you will not see wideouts with worse fundamentals than ours. Williamson is doomed if Stewart's supposed to be coaching him up.
 
Vikes Fan said:
I have no link to this, but I heard rumors that he had eye issues...almost like Jake Reed did early on in his career. I wonder if anyone else has heard this.
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(Rotoworld) After taking a battery of tests, the Vikings and Troy Williamson believe eyesight problems are partly responsible for all his drops in 2006.Impact: Williamson can beat defenses deep with his speed, but consistently misjudges long passes. Williamson said he will attend the entire off-season conditioning program as he tries to win back a starting gig in 2007.
 
i think i read somewhere that MIN wasn't only team that graded williamson highly... rams supposedly had him as #1 overall player in the draft that year (sorry no link, i think it was from an armey interview, possibly in local STL paper, posted on rams board)...

that could be interpreted a couple ways... :goodposting:

1) STL is really, really dumb...

2) maybe they knew more about his latent potential than has become manifest thus far... it awaits to be seen if he is capable of realizing it...

 
FunkyPlutos said:
I believe his drops are mental.
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This is correct. Williamson's problem is hand/eye coordination, not "bad hands". It's things like ball tracking that he doesn't "get".I don't know if that's any less troubling than someone like Darius Watts - his hands problems were physical.
 
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