True or racist? (1 Viewer)

[roadkill1292]

If Tony Kornheiser had said it, how do you think it would have gone over?

Does it bother you that black people can say things about black culture that white people can't necessarily get away with? If so, why? Its true about pretty much every minority/majority and has been for a long time. So what?

It does bother me. If it's a true fact, why is it wrong for a white person to say it?

I don't know if it's tr ue. Nor do you. Nor do Kornheiser, or Wilbon for that matter. People do give black people a little more leeway in making odd generalizations about the black community because they assume the black person has more insight into that community. They'd do the same if it was a Jew talking about the Jewish community, or a ginger talking about the ginger community, or yes, even a white person talking about the white community. Is that fair? Don't know, don't care.

I am sorry that it bothers you so much, though. Good luck righting this wrong. We Shall Overcome

I like equality. I believe that's what we're all fighting for. For everyone to be equal. If you're cool with inequalities, gratz!

The equality has started a little too late for things to just be forgotten now that it's convenient to do so. Minorities get a pass because of the way they were treated in this country for centuries. If our granddaddies hadn't been such #######s you'd have a decent case but right now it still feels like the ##### bigger kid picking on the smaller one.

 

[TheIronSheik]

If Tony Kornheiser had said it, how do you think it would have gone over?

Does it bother you that black people can say things about black culture that white people can't necessarily get away with? If so, why? Its true about pretty much every minority/majority and has been for a long time. So what?

It does bother me. If it's a true fact, why is it wrong for a white person to say it?

I don't know if it's tr ue. Nor do you. Nor do Kornheiser, or Wilbon for that matter. People do give black people a little more leeway in making odd generalizations about the black community because they assume the black person has more insight into that community. They'd do the same if it was a Jew talking about the Jewish community, or a ginger talking about the ginger community, or yes, even a white person talking about the white community. Is that fair? Don't know, don't care.

I am sorry that it bothers you so much, though. Good luck righting this wrong. We Shall Overcome

I like equality. I believe that's what we're all fighting for. For everyone to be equal. If you're cool with inequalities, gratz!

We live in a country where one race enslaved another for hundreds of years. After that, they treated them as 4th class citizens, terrorizing and killing them for another hundred or so.

Much of that was enabled by stereotyping and racial slurs.

It makes sense that black people can say certain things when speaking about black people and that white people should be a little more careful. It's not racist. It's just common sense.

That's completely false. And people who think that are the people who are keeping the racial divide growing in this country.

 

[TheIronSheik]

If Tony Kornheiser had said it, how do you think it would have gone over?

Does it bother you that black people can say things about black culture that white people can't necessarily get away with? If so, why? Its true about pretty much every minority/majority and has been for a long time. So what?

It does bother me. If it's a true fact, why is it wrong for a white person to say it?

I don't know if it's tr ue. Nor do you. Nor do Kornheiser, or Wilbon for that matter. People do give black people a little more leeway in making odd generalizations about the black community because they assume the black person has more insight into that community. They'd do the same if it was a Jew talking about the Jewish community, or a ginger talking about the ginger community, or yes, even a white person talking about the white community. Is that fair? Don't know, don't care.

I am sorry that it bothers you so much, though. Good luck righting this wrong. We Shall Overcome

I like equality. I believe that's what we're all fighting for. For everyone to be equal. If you're cool with inequalities, gratz!

The equality has started a little too late for things to just be forgotten now that it's convenient to do so. Minorities get a pass because of the way they were treated in this country for centuries. If our granddaddies hadn't been such #######s you'd have a decent case but right now it still feels like the ##### bigger kid picking on the smaller one.

My grandparents didn't do anything wrong here. And a lot of white people's grandparent's didn't either. You can't say "Well, 200 years ago, some people treated my family wrong. So now I get a pass." Bull ####. How's that working out? Are whites and blacks getting along better today because of that? Ask the people of Ferguson how that's working.

 

[StrikeS2k]

Was watching a bit of TV last night myself, and saw the new ad for blackpeoplemeet.com, the one where the guy is trying to impress the girl and get her attention in the super market and she doesn't look at him till she's leaving the store and he's in line.

Anyway, how's that not racist? I mean if there were a whitepeoplemeet.com, they would get blasted, right?

If you started a whitepeoplemeet.com dating service in a country where white people were the overwhelming minority nobody would have a problem with it.

Seriously, is that what determines if it's racist or not? The size of the group that it caters to?

What determines it it's racist or not is whether it's racist or not.

But yeah, the size of the group, or more accurately how tough it is to find lots of people from that group, informs the perception. See, when you have a dating group that focuses on a subset of the population the assumption is that it exists because you have trouble finding a lot of people to date who share those particular interests or heritage or perspective or whatever. That's not really necessary for a group that makes up the majority of the population (Christianmingle is for people who are hard core about their religion, not just the casual twice-a-year Christians who make up a majority of the US population).

This really isn't that complicated or controversial. It's weird that we're at a point where white Americans complain constantly about perceived racial slights, though. We're through the looking glass, people.

You think black people have trouble finding other black people to date?????

 

[pollardsvision]

If Tony Kornheiser had said it, how do you think it would have gone over?

Does it bother you that black people can say things about black culture that white people can't necessarily get away with? If so, why? Its true about pretty much every minority/majority and has been for a long time. So what?

It does bother me. If it's a true fact, why is it wrong for a white person to say it?

I don't know if it's tr ue. Nor do you. Nor do Kornheiser, or Wilbon for that matter. People do give black people a little more leeway in making odd generalizations about the black community because they assume the black person has more insight into that community. They'd do the same if it was a Jew talking about the Jewish community, or a ginger talking about the ginger community, or yes, even a white person talking about the white community. Is that fair? Don't know, don't care.

I am sorry that it bothers you so much, though. Good luck righting this wrong. We Shall Overcome

I like equality. I believe that's what we're all fighting for. For everyone to be equal. If you're cool with inequalities, gratz!

We live in a country where one race enslaved another for hundreds of years. After that, they treated them as 4th class citizens, terrorizing and killing them for another hundred or so.

Much of that was enabled by stereotyping and racial slurs.

It makes sense that black people can say certain things when speaking about black people and that white people should be a little more careful. It's not racist. It's just common sense.

That's completely false. And people who think that are the people who are keeping the racial divide growing in this country.

It only deepens the racial divide if people have a problem with it (I suspect many of those aren't going to be leading diversity rallies anyway). It really should just be a non-issue.

 

[cstu]

Who said that

Michael Wilbon

Idiot. I didn't have a dad to teach me how to play how to play baseball and I was in Little League.

Of course I was the worst player to ever play in the history of Little League baseball.

 

[NCCommish]

If Tony Kornheiser had said it, how do you think it would have gone over?

Does it bother you that black people can say things about black culture that white people can't necessarily get away with? If so, why? Its true about pretty much every minority/majority and has been for a long time. So what?

It does bother me. If it's a true fact, why is it wrong for a white person to say it?

I don't know if it's tr ue. Nor do you. Nor do Kornheiser, or Wilbon for that matter. People do give black people a little more leeway in making odd generalizations about the black community because they assume the black person has more insight into that community. They'd do the same if it was a Jew talking about the Jewish community, or a ginger talking about the ginger community, or yes, even a white person talking about the white community. Is that fair? Don't know, don't care.

I am sorry that it bothers you so much, though. Good luck righting this wrong. We Shall Overcome

I like equality. I believe that's what we're all fighting for. For everyone to be equal. If you're cool with inequalities, gratz!

The equality has started a little too late for things to just be forgotten now that it's convenient to do so. Minorities get a pass because of the way they were treated in this country for centuries. If our granddaddies hadn't been such #######s you'd have a decent case but right now it still feels like the ##### bigger kid picking on the smaller one.

My grandparents didn't do anything wrong here. And a lot of white people's grandparent's didn't either. You can't say "Well, 200 years ago, some people treated my family wrong. So now I get a pass." Bull ####. How's that working out? Are whites and blacks getting along better today because of that? Ask the people of Ferguson how that's working.

Yeah ask them why whites are hired at greater rates in their area. Ask them why blacks are pulled over by white police at greater rates. Yeah ask them how the whole post racial America is working out for them.

 

[Greggity]

If Tony Kornheiser had said it, how do you think it would have gone over?

Does it bother you that black people can say things about black culture that white people can't necessarily get away with? If so, why? Its true about pretty much every minority/majority and has been for a long time. So what?

It does bother me. If it's a true fact, why is it wrong for a white person to say it?

I don't know if it's tr ue. Nor do you. Nor do Kornheiser, or Wilbon for that matter. People do give black people a little more leeway in making odd generalizations about the black community because they assume the black person has more insight into that community. They'd do the same if it was a Jew talking about the Jewish community, or a ginger talking about the ginger community, or yes, even a white person talking about the white community. Is that fair? Don't know, don't care.

I am sorry that it bothers you so much, though. Good luck righting this wrong. We Shall Overcome

I like equality. I believe that's what we're all fighting for. For everyone to be equal. If you're cool with inequalities, gratz!

We live in a country where one race enslaved another for hundreds of years. After that, they treated them as 4th class citizens, terrorizing and killing them for another hundred or so.

Much of that was enabled by stereotyping and racial slurs.

The crusades!!!

 

[TheIronSheik]

If Tony Kornheiser had said it, how do you think it would have gone over?

Does it bother you that black people can say things about black culture that white people can't necessarily get away with? If so, why? Its true about pretty much every minority/majority and has been for a long time. So what?

It does bother me. If it's a true fact, why is it wrong for a white person to say it?

I don't know if it's tr ue. Nor do you. Nor do Kornheiser, or Wilbon for that matter. People do give black people a little more leeway in making odd generalizations about the black community because they assume the black person has more insight into that community. They'd do the same if it was a Jew talking about the Jewish community, or a ginger talking about the ginger community, or yes, even a white person talking about the white community. Is that fair? Don't know, don't care.

I am sorry that it bothers you so much, though. Good luck righting this wrong. We Shall Overcome

I like equality. I believe that's what we're all fighting for. For everyone to be equal. If you're cool with inequalities, gratz!

We live in a country where one race enslaved another for hundreds of years. After that, they treated them as 4th class citizens, terrorizing and killing them for another hundred or so.

Much of that was enabled by stereotyping and racial slurs.

It makes sense that black people can say certain things when speaking about black people and that white people should be a little more careful. It's not racist. It's just common sense.

That's completely false. And people who think that are the people who are keeping the racial divide growing in this country.

It only deepens the racial divide if people have a problem with it (I suspect many of those aren't going to be leading diversity rallies anyway). It really should just be a non-issue.

I don't get how you can say it's a non issue. The original debate was "Was he right to say it?" People posted all kinds of stats showing he was right. They also argued why he was right and compared it to other things to back up their point.

Then, I asked, what if a white person would have said it. And people jumped all over my #### saying white people aren't allowed to talk about that because of slavery 200 years ago.

You don't think that's strange? So the truth can be hidden, unless a black person says it. We, as a society, don't want to hear the truth, unless it comes from a certain group of people.

You really think that's a good thing?

 

[TobiasFunke]

If Tony Kornheiser had said it, how do you think it would have gone over?

Does it bother you that black people can say things about black culture that white people can't necessarily get away with? If so, why? Its true about pretty much every minority/majority and has been for a long time. So what?

It does bother me. If it's a true fact, why is it wrong for a white person to say it?

I don't know if it's tr ue. Nor do you. Nor do Kornheiser, or Wilbon for that matter. People do give black people a little more leeway in making odd generalizations about the black community because they assume the black person has more insight into that community. They'd do the same if it was a Jew talking about the Jewish community, or a ginger talking about the ginger community, or yes, even a white person talking about the white community. Is that fair? Don't know, don't care.

I am sorry that it bothers you so much, though. Good luck righting this wrong. We Shall Overcome

I like equality. I believe that's what we're all fighting for. For everyone to be equal. If you're cool with inequalities, gratz!

We live in a country where one race enslaved another for hundreds of years. After that, they treated them as 4th class citizens, terrorizing and killing them for another hundred or so.

Much of that was enabled by stereotyping and racial slurs.

It makes sense that black people can say certain things when speaking about black people and that white people should be a little more careful. It's not racist. It's just common sense.

That's completely false. And people who think that are the people who are keeping the racial divide growing in this country.

Really? You think that is what is keeping the racial divide growing in this country?

 

[TheIronSheik]

If Tony Kornheiser had said it, how do you think it would have gone over?

Does it bother you that black people can say things about black culture that white people can't necessarily get away with? If so, why? Its true about pretty much every minority/majority and has been for a long time. So what?

It does bother me. If it's a true fact, why is it wrong for a white person to say it?

I don't know if it's tr ue. Nor do you. Nor do Kornheiser, or Wilbon for that matter. People do give black people a little more leeway in making odd generalizations about the black community because they assume the black person has more insight into that community. They'd do the same if it was a Jew talking about the Jewish community, or a ginger talking about the ginger community, or yes, even a white person talking about the white community. Is that fair? Don't know, don't care.

I am sorry that it bothers you so much, though. Good luck righting this wrong. We Shall Overcome

I like equality. I believe that's what we're all fighting for. For everyone to be equal. If you're cool with inequalities, gratz!

The equality has started a little too late for things to just be forgotten now that it's convenient to do so. Minorities get a pass because of the way they were treated in this country for centuries. If our granddaddies hadn't been such #######s you'd have a decent case but right now it still feels like the ##### bigger kid picking on the smaller one.

My grandparents didn't do anything wrong here. And a lot of white people's grandparent's didn't either. You can't say "Well, 200 years ago, some people treated my family wrong. So now I get a pass." Bull ####. How's that working out? Are whites and blacks getting along better today because of that? Ask the people of Ferguson how that's working.

Yeah ask them why whites are hired at greater rates in their area. Ask them why blacks are pulled over by white police at greater rates. Yeah ask them how the whole post racial America is working out for them.

Well, thank you for making my point. Racial divides suck. And I don't think it's a good idea to look the other way just because it's one group doing it and not the other.

 

[Greggity]

If Tony Kornheiser had said it, how do you think it would have gone over?

Does it bother you that black people can say things about black culture that white people can't necessarily get away with? If so, why? Its true about pretty much every minority/majority and has been for a long time. So what?

It does bother me. If it's a true fact, why is it wrong for a white person to say it?

I don't know if it's tr ue. Nor do you. Nor do Kornheiser, or Wilbon for that matter. People do give black people a little more leeway in making odd generalizations about the black community because they assume the black person has more insight into that community. They'd do the same if it was a Jew talking about the Jewish community, or a ginger talking about the ginger community, or yes, even a white person talking about the white community. Is that fair? Don't know, don't care.

I am sorry that it bothers you so much, though. Good luck righting this wrong. We Shall Overcome

I like equality. I believe that's what we're all fighting for. For everyone to be equal. If you're cool with inequalities, gratz!

The equality has started a little too late for things to just be forgotten now that it's convenient to do so. Minorities get a pass because of the way they were treated in this country for centuries. If our granddaddies hadn't been such #######s you'd have a decent case but right now it still feels like the ##### bigger kid picking on the smaller one.

My grandparents didn't do anything wrong here. And a lot of white people's grandparent's didn't either. You can't say "Well, 200 years ago, some people treated my family wrong. So now I get a pass." Bull ####. How's that working out? Are whites and blacks getting along better today because of that? Ask the people of Ferguson how that's working.

Yeah ask them why whites are hired at greater rates in their area. Ask them why blacks are pulled over by white police at greater rates. Yeah ask them how the whole post racial America is working out for them.

I can only speak for me but you werent advanced in the military because you were white. Well, maybe in the days of the crusades you were....

 

[NCCommish]

If Tony Kornheiser had said it, how do you think it would have gone over?

Does it bother you that black people can say things about black culture that white people can't necessarily get away with? If so, why? Its true about pretty much every minority/majority and has been for a long time. So what?

It does bother me. If it's a true fact, why is it wrong for a white person to say it?

I don't know if it's tr ue. Nor do you. Nor do Kornheiser, or Wilbon for that matter. People do give black people a little more leeway in making odd generalizations about the black community because they assume the black person has more insight into that community. They'd do the same if it was a Jew talking about the Jewish community, or a ginger talking about the ginger community, or yes, even a white person talking about the white community. Is that fair? Don't know, don't care.

I am sorry that it bothers you so much, though. Good luck righting this wrong. We Shall Overcome

I like equality. I believe that's what we're all fighting for. For everyone to be equal. If you're cool with inequalities, gratz!

The equality has started a little too late for things to just be forgotten now that it's convenient to do so. Minorities get a pass because of the way they were treated in this country for centuries. If our granddaddies hadn't been such #######s you'd have a decent case but right now it still feels like the ##### bigger kid picking on the smaller one.

My grandparents didn't do anything wrong here. And a lot of white people's grandparent's didn't either. You can't say "Well, 200 years ago, some people treated my family wrong. So now I get a pass." Bull ####. How's that working out? Are whites and blacks getting along better today because of that? Ask the people of Ferguson how that's working.

Yeah ask them why whites are hired at greater rates in their area. Ask them why blacks are pulled over by white police at greater rates. Yeah ask them how the whole post racial America is working out for them.

Well, thank you for making my point. Racial divides suck. And I don't think it's a good idea to look the other way just because it's one group doing it and not the other.

Actually your point is baseless. The racial divide is caused by racist behavior not the fact white guys can't say .

 

[TheIronSheik]

If Tony Kornheiser had said it, how do you think it would have gone over?

Does it bother you that black people can say things about black culture that white people can't necessarily get away with? If so, why? Its true about pretty much every minority/majority and has been for a long time. So what?

It does bother me. If it's a true fact, why is it wrong for a white person to say it?

I don't know if it's tr ue. Nor do you. Nor do Kornheiser, or Wilbon for that matter. People do give black people a little more leeway in making odd generalizations about the black community because they assume the black person has more insight into that community. They'd do the same if it was a Jew talking about the Jewish community, or a ginger talking about the ginger community, or yes, even a white person talking about the white community. Is that fair? Don't know, don't care.

I am sorry that it bothers you so much, though. Good luck righting this wrong. We Shall Overcome

I like equality. I believe that's what we're all fighting for. For everyone to be equal. If you're cool with inequalities, gratz!

We live in a country where one race enslaved another for hundreds of years. After that, they treated them as 4th class citizens, terrorizing and killing them for another hundred or so.

Much of that was enabled by stereotyping and racial slurs.

It makes sense that black people can say certain things when speaking about black people and that white people should be a little more careful. It's not racist. It's just common sense.

That's completely false. And people who think that are the people who are keeping the racial divide growing in this country.

Really? You think that is what is keeping the racial divide growing in this country?

Yes. I do. I think when neither side trusts each other, there will always be problems. I said this before in the other thread. What do you think is causing the racial divide? And before you tell me why black people distrust white people, why don't you start with why white people are more distrustful of black people.

The divide is growing from both sides.

 

[Cjw_55106]

Was watching a bit of TV last night myself, and saw the new ad for blackpeoplemeet.com, the one where the guy is trying to impress the girl and get her attention in the super market and she doesn't look at him till she's leaving the store and he's in line.

Anyway, how's that not racist? I mean if there were a whitepeoplemeet.com, they would get blasted, right?

If you started a whitepeoplemeet.com dating service in a country where white people were the overwhelming minority nobody would have a problem with it.

Seriously, is that what determines if it's racist or not? The size of the group that it caters to?

What determines it it's racist or not is whether it's racist or not.

But yeah, the size of the group, or more accurately how tough it is to find lots of people from that group, informs the perception. See, when you have a dating group that focuses on a subset of the population the assumption is that it exists because you have trouble finding a lot of people to date who share those particular interests or heritage or perspective or whatever. That's not really necessary for a group that makes up the majority of the population (Christianmingle is for people who are hard core about their religion, not just the casual twice-a-year Christians who make up a majority of the US population).

This really isn't that complicated or controversial. It's weird that we're at a point where white Americans complain constantly about perceived racial slights, though. We're through the looking glass, people.

You think black people have trouble finding other black people to date?????

They must because all of the black dudes around here date white ladies.

 

[roadkill1292]

The old sheik wasn't this obtuse.

 

[Greggity]

Was watching a bit of TV last night myself, and saw the new ad for blackpeoplemeet.com, the one where the guy is trying to impress the girl and get her attention in the super market and she doesn't look at him till she's leaving the store and he's in line.

Anyway, how's that not racist? I mean if there were a whitepeoplemeet.com, they would get blasted, right?

If you started a whitepeoplemeet.com dating service in a country where white people were the overwhelming minority nobody would have a problem with it.

Seriously, is that what determines if it's racist or not? The size of the group that it caters to?

What determines it it's racist or not is whether it's racist or not.

But yeah, the size of the group, or more accurately how tough it is to find lots of people from that group, informs the perception. See, when you have a dating group that focuses on a subset of the population the assumption is that it exists because you have trouble finding a lot of people to date who share those particular interests or heritage or perspective or whatever. That's not really necessary for a group that makes up the majority of the population (Christianmingle is for people who are hard core about their religion, not just the casual twice-a-year Christians who make up a majority of the US population).

This really isn't that complicated or controversial. It's weird that we're at a point where white Americans complain constantly about perceived racial slights, though. We're through the looking glass, people.

You think black people have trouble finding other black people to date?????

They must because all of the black dudes around here date white ladies.

They want to be politically correct too. Plus a lot of them are bigger girls and they need lovin too....

 

[TheIronSheik]

If Tony Kornheiser had said it, how do you think it would have gone over?

Does it bother you that black people can say things about black culture that white people can't necessarily get away with? If so, why? Its true about pretty much every minority/majority and has been for a long time. So what?

It does bother me. If it's a true fact, why is it wrong for a white person to say it?

I don't know if it's tr ue. Nor do you. Nor do Kornheiser, or Wilbon for that matter. People do give black people a little more leeway in making odd generalizations about the black community because they assume the black person has more insight into that community. They'd do the same if it was a Jew talking about the Jewish community, or a ginger talking about the ginger community, or yes, even a white person talking about the white community. Is that fair? Don't know, don't care.

I am sorry that it bothers you so much, though. Good luck righting this wrong. We Shall Overcome

I like equality. I believe that's what we're all fighting for. For everyone to be equal. If you're cool with inequalities, gratz!

The equality has started a little too late for things to just be forgotten now that it's convenient to do so. Minorities get a pass because of the way they were treated in this country for centuries. If our granddaddies hadn't been such #######s you'd have a decent case but right now it still feels like the ##### bigger kid picking on the smaller one.

My grandparents didn't do anything wrong here. And a lot of white people's grandparent's didn't either. You can't say "Well, 200 years ago, some people treated my family wrong. So now I get a pass." Bull ####. How's that working out? Are whites and blacks getting along better today because of that? Ask the people of Ferguson how that's working.

Yeah ask them why whites are hired at greater rates in their area. Ask them why blacks are pulled over by white police at greater rates. Yeah ask them how the whole post racial America is working out for them.

Well, thank you for making my point. Racial divides suck. And I don't think it's a good idea to look the other way just because it's one group doing it and not the other.

Actually your point is baseless. The racial divide is caused by racist behavior not the fact white guys can't say ######.

White guys not being able to say #### is racist. No matter how you look at it. Black people can say something. But white people can't? You think that's fair?

 

[TheIronSheik]

The old sheik wasn't this obtuse.

Sure. You go ahead and live in a world where one group is allowed to do things while another can't. I can't see how that will end badly. It's nice and easy to call me names. Go for it. I don't really care.

 

[matttyl]

If Tony Kornheiser had said it, how do you think it would have gone over?

Does it bother you that black people can say things about black culture that white people can't necessarily get away with? If so, why? Its true about pretty much every minority/majority and has been for a long time. So what?

It does bother me. If it's a true fact, why is it wrong for a white person to say it?

I don't know if it's tr ue. Nor do you. Nor do Kornheiser, or Wilbon for that matter. People do give black people a little more leeway in making odd generalizations about the black community because they assume the black person has more insight into that community. They'd do the same if it was a Jew talking about the Jewish community, or a ginger talking about the ginger community, or yes, even a white person talking about the white community. Is that fair? Don't know, don't care.

I am sorry that it bothers you so much, though. Good luck righting this wrong. We Shall Overcome

I like equality. I believe that's what we're all fighting for. For everyone to be equal. If you're cool with inequalities, gratz!

All men are created equal?

 

[NCCommish]

White guys not being able to say #### is racist. No matter how you look at it. Black people can say something. But white people can't? You think that's fair?

No it isn't. And the fact that you don't realize it is kind of sad.

 

[hxperson]

The equality has started a little too late for things to just be forgotten now that it's convenient to do so. Minorities get a pass because of the way they were treated in this country for centuries. If our granddaddies hadn't been such #######s you'd have a decent case but right now it still feels like the ##### bigger kid picking on the smaller one.

I like equality. I believe that's what we're all fighting for. For everyone to be equal. If you're cool with inequalities, gratz!



I don't know if it's tr ue. Nor do you. Nor do Kornheiser, or Wilbon for that matter. People do give black people a little more leeway in making odd generalizations about the black community because they assume the black person has more insight into that community. They'd do the same if it was a Jew talking about the Jewish community, or a ginger talking about the ginger community, or yes, even a white person talking about the white community. Is that fair? Don't know, don't care.

I am sorry that it bothers you so much, though. Good luck righting this wrong. We Shall Overcome

My grandparents didn't do anything wrong here. And a lot of white people's grandparent's didn't either. You can't say "Well, 200 years ago, some people treated my family wrong. So now I get a pass." Bull ####. How's that working out? Are whites and blacks getting along better today because of that? Ask the people of Ferguson how that's working.

Yeah ask them why whites are hired at greater rates in their area. Ask them why blacks are pulled over by white police at greater rates. Yeah ask them how the whole post racial America is working out for them.

Well, thank you for making my point. Racial divides suck. And I don't think it's a good idea to look the other way just because it's one group doing it and not the other.

Actually your point is baseless. The racial divide is caused by racist behavior not the fact white guys can't say ######.

White guys not being able to say #### is racist. No matter how you look at it. Black people can say something. But white people can't? You think that's fair?

Asians can't say it either. Nor can Middle Easterns. Does that make it more fair for you? Or is that word spurring a racial divide for those minorities as well?

 

[matttyl]

White guys not being able to say #### is racist. No matter how you look at it. Black people can say something. But white people can't? You think that's fair?

Close. A white guy actually saying it would be racist. A black guy saying it isn't. But I get your point.

 

[pollardsvision]

I don't get how you can say it's a non issue. The original debate was "Was he right to say it?" People posted all kinds of stats showing he was right. They also argued why he was right and compared it to other things to back up their point.

Then, I asked, what if a white person would have said it. And people jumped all over my #### saying white people aren't allowed to talk about that because of slavery 200 years ago.

You don't think that's strange? So the truth can be hidden, unless a black person says it. We, as a society, don't want to hear the truth, unless it comes from a certain group of people.

You really think that's a good thing?

I didn't say white people aren't allowed to talk about this or other issues.

Just that they need to be more careful and steer clear of things that require more than a soundbite.

I'm not talking about hiding the truth or avoiding issues.

Wilbon should've chosen better words too, but the rules are a little different there. That's the part that's a non-issue. I'm not going to get all up in arms about my ability to say offensive things without consequences.

 

[Greggity]

White guys not being able to say #### is racist. No matter how you look at it. Black people can say something. But white people can't? You think that's fair?

Close. A white guy actually saying it would be racist. A black guy saying it isn't. But I get your point.

Ever hear a black guy say "hey white boy" or "who is that white boy over there"? You dont think thats racist? Oh wait forget it, forgot the double standard, deal with it theory that is very fair.....

 

[roadkill1292]

The old sheik wasn't this obtuse.

Sure. You go ahead and live in a world where one group is allowed to do things while another can't. I can't see how that will end badly. It's nice and easy to call me names. Go for it. I don't really care.

That is the world we live in. A privileged majority should be able to deal with it without a lot of this whining and "my grandparents never did anything like that" BS. That kind of response is what's obtuse.

 

[lod01]

Who said that

Michael Wilbon

Idiot. I didn't have a dad to teach me how to play how to play baseball and I was in Little League.

Of course I was the worst player to ever play in the history of Little League baseball.

Right field, huh?

 

[TobiasFunke]

If Tony Kornheiser had said it, how do you think it would have gone over?

Does it bother you that black people can say things about black culture that white people can't necessarily get away with? If so, why? Its true about pretty much every minority/majority and has been for a long time. So what?

It does bother me. If it's a true fact, why is it wrong for a white person to say it?

I don't know if it's tr ue. Nor do you. Nor do Kornheiser, or Wilbon for that matter. People do give black people a little more leeway in making odd generalizations about the black community because they assume the black person has more insight into that community. They'd do the same if it was a Jew talking about the Jewish community, or a ginger talking about the ginger community, or yes, even a white person talking about the white community. Is that fair? Don't know, don't care.

I am sorry that it bothers you so much, though. Good luck righting this wrong. We Shall Overcome

I like equality. I believe that's what we're all fighting for. For everyone to be equal. If you're cool with inequalities, gratz!

We live in a country where one race enslaved another for hundreds of years. After that, they treated them as 4th class citizens, terrorizing and killing them for another hundred or so.

Much of that was enabled by stereotyping and racial slurs.

It makes sense that black people can say certain things when speaking about black people and that white people should be a little more careful. It's not racist. It's just common sense.

That's completely false. And people who think that are the people who are keeping the racial divide growing in this country.

Really? You think that is what is keeping the racial divide growing in this country?

Yes. I do. I think when neither side trusts each other, there will always be problems. I said this before in the other thread. What do you think is causing the racial divide? And before you tell me why black people distrust white people, why don't you start with why white people are more distrustful of black people.

The divide is growing from both sides.

I don't think "trust" has anything to do with it in either direction. That sound like a bunch of touchy-feely nonsense that completely ignores enormous real world disparities in treatment, like redlining, racial profiling by law enforcement, disparate sentencing laws, and many many other things. That's not stuff that happened a hundred years ago, that's stuff that happened in our lifetimes and in many cases continues to happen. A lack of trust in either direction is just a by-product of actual problems like those. It's just a symptom, not a cause.

 

[TheIronSheik]

I don't get how you can say it's a non issue. The original debate was "Was he right to say it?" People posted all kinds of stats showing he was right. They also argued why he was right and compared it to other things to back up their point.

Then, I asked, what if a white person would have said it. And people jumped all over my #### saying white people aren't allowed to talk about that because of slavery 200 years ago.

You don't think that's strange? So the truth can be hidden, unless a black person says it. We, as a society, don't want to hear the truth, unless it comes from a certain group of people.

You really think that's a good thing?

I didn't say white people aren't allowed to talk about this or other issues.

Just that they need to be more careful and steer clear of things that require more than a soundbite.

I'm not talking about hiding the truth or avoiding issues.

Wilbon should've chosen better words too, but the rules are a little different there. That's the part that's a non-issue. I'm not going to get all up in arms about my ability to say offensive things without consequences.

I actually apologize. You are right. I got caught up in defending myself in a lot of posts and you did not, in fact, say that. And I agree with you that they have to be more careful. I don't argue that.

 

[TheIronSheik]

The equality has started a little too late for things to just be forgotten now that it's convenient to do so. Minorities get a pass because of the way they were treated in this country for centuries. If our granddaddies hadn't been such #######s you'd have a decent case but right now it still feels like the ##### bigger kid picking on the smaller one.

I like equality. I believe that's what we're all fighting for. For everyone to be equal. If you're cool with inequalities, gratz!



I don't know if it's tr ue. Nor do you. Nor do Kornheiser, or Wilbon for that matter. People do give black people a little more leeway in making odd generalizations about the black community because they assume the black person has more insight into that community. They'd do the same if it was a Jew talking about the Jewish community, or a ginger talking about the ginger community, or yes, even a white person talking about the white community. Is that fair? Don't know, don't care.

I am sorry that it bothers you so much, though. Good luck righting this wrong. We Shall Overcome

My grandparents didn't do anything wrong here. And a lot of white people's grandparent's didn't either. You can't say "Well, 200 years ago, some people treated my family wrong. So now I get a pass." Bull ####. How's that working out? Are whites and blacks getting along better today because of that? Ask the people of Ferguson how that's working.

Yeah ask them why whites are hired at greater rates in their area. Ask them why blacks are pulled over by white police at greater rates. Yeah ask them how the whole post racial America is working out for them.

Well, thank you for making my point. Racial divides suck. And I don't think it's a good idea to look the other way just because it's one group doing it and not the other.

Actually your point is baseless. The racial divide is caused by racist behavior not the fact white guys can't say ######.

White guys not being able to say #### is racist. No matter how you look at it. Black people can say something. But white people can't? You think that's fair?

Asians can't say it either. Nor can Middle Easterns. Does that make it more fair for you? Or is that word spurring a racial divide for those minorities as well?

The point was that all races should be able to say facts without fear of another race calling them racist. I was only using white and black because the PTI guys are white and black.

 

[TheIronSheik]

The old sheik wasn't this obtuse.

Sure. You go ahead and live in a world where one group is allowed to do things while another can't. I can't see how that will end badly. It's nice and easy to call me names. Go for it. I don't really care.

That is the world we live in. A privileged majority should be able to deal with it without a lot of this whining and "my grandparents never did anything like that" BS. That kind of response is what's obtuse.

Sorry. I forgot the Arabs were a privileged majority in this country. Probably because I'm obtuse.

 

[TheIronSheik]

If Tony Kornheiser had said it, how do you think it would have gone over?

Does it bother you that black people can say things about black culture that white people can't necessarily get away with? If so, why? Its true about pretty much every minority/majority and has been for a long time. So what?

It does bother me. If it's a true fact, why is it wrong for a white person to say it?

I don't know if it's tr ue. Nor do you. Nor do Kornheiser, or Wilbon for that matter. People do give black people a little more leeway in making odd generalizations about the black community because they assume the black person has more insight into that community. They'd do the same if it was a Jew talking about the Jewish community, or a ginger talking about the ginger community, or yes, even a white person talking about the white community. Is that fair? Don't know, don't care.

I am sorry that it bothers you so much, though. Good luck righting this wrong. We Shall Overcome

I like equality. I believe that's what we're all fighting for. For everyone to be equal. If you're cool with inequalities, gratz!

We live in a country where one race enslaved another for hundreds of years. After that, they treated them as 4th class citizens, terrorizing and killing them for another hundred or so.

Much of that was enabled by stereotyping and racial slurs.

It makes sense that black people can say certain things when speaking about black people and that white people should be a little more careful. It's not racist. It's just common sense.

That's completely false. And people who think that are the people who are keeping the racial divide growing in this country.

Really? You think that is what is keeping the racial divide growing in this country?

Yes. I do. I think when neither side trusts each other, there will always be problems. I said this before in the other thread. What do you think is causing the racial divide? And before you tell me why black people distrust white people, why don't you start with why white people are more distrustful of black people.

The divide is growing from both sides.

I don't think "trust" has anything to do with it in either direction. That sound like a bunch of touchy-feely nonsense that completely ignores enormous real world disparities in treatment, like redlining, racial profiling by law enforcement, disparate sentencing laws, and many many other things. That's not stuff that happened a hundred years ago, that's stuff that happened in our lifetimes and in many cases continues to happen. A lack of trust in either direction is just a by-product of actual problems like those. It's just a symptom, not a cause.

OK. As usual, you're always right. My bad.

 

[Greggity]

The old sheik wasn't this obtuse.

Sure. You go ahead and live in a world where one group is allowed to do things while another can't. I can't see how that will end badly. It's nice and easy to call me names. Go for it. I don't really care.

That is the world we live in. A privileged majority should be able to deal with it without a lot of this whining and "my grandparents never did anything like that" BS. That kind of response is what's obtuse.

Sorry. I forgot the Arabs were a privileged majority in this country. Probably because I'm obtuse.

Just dont try and hang your american flag in your window, that will offend them.....

 

[humpback]

Was watching a bit of TV last night myself, and saw the new ad for blackpeoplemeet.com, the one where the guy is trying to impress the girl and get her attention in the super market and she doesn't look at him till she's leaving the store and he's in line.

Anyway, how's that not racist? I mean if there were a whitepeoplemeet.com, they would get blasted, right?

If you started a whitepeoplemeet.com dating service in a country where white people were the overwhelming minority nobody would have a problem with it.

Not that it's really important, but you don't really believe this do you?

whitepeoplemeet.us . Seems believable to me.

I meant the part about nobody would have a problem with it.

Maybe you could point me to the people that have had a problem with it? I missed all the news stories on the protests and all I guess.

I almost forgot how ridiculous you can be. I guess only white Americans are racist.

So it is ridiculous to ask you to back up what you said? My bad. And I could ask you to point me to where I said only white people can be racist but I guess that would make me ridiculous again.

Did you even read the posts you're responding to? He said if you started that site in a country where whites were the overwhelming minority nobody would have a problem with it. Your link clearly doesn't meet that criteria to begin with, but simple question- do you think that nobody would have a problem with it if it did? If so, how would you explain white Americans having a problem with black only things but black people wouldn't have a problem with white only things?

 

[TobiasFunke]

OK. As usual, you're always right. My bad.

You asked what I thought causes the racial divide, so I told you what I thought.

 

[TheIronSheik]

OK. As usual, you're always right. My bad.

You asked what I thought causes the racial divide, so I told you what I thought.

OK

 

[Yenrub]

If Tony Kornheiser had said it, how do you think it would have gone over?

Does it bother you that black people can say things about black culture that white people can't necessarily get away with? If so, why? Its true about pretty much every minority/majority and has been for a long time. So what?

It does bother me. If it's a true fact, why is it wrong for a white person to say it?

I don't know if it's tr ue. Nor do you. Nor do Kornheiser, or Wilbon for that matter. People do give black people a little more leeway in making odd generalizations about the black community because they assume the black person has more insight into that community. They'd do the same if it was a Jew talking about the Jewish community, or a ginger talking about the ginger community, or yes, even a white person talking about the white community. Is that fair? Don't know, don't care.

I am sorry that it bothers you so much, though. Good luck righting this wrong. We Shall Overcome

I like equality. I believe that's what we're all fighting for. For everyone to be equal. If you're cool with inequalities, gratz!

We live in a country where one race enslaved another for hundreds of years. After that, they treated them as 4th class citizens, terrorizing and killing them for another hundred or so.

Much of that was enabled by stereotyping and racial slurs.

It makes sense that black people can say certain things when speaking about black people and that white people should be a little more careful. It's not racist. It's just common sense.

That's completely false. And people who think that are the people who are keeping the racial divide growing in this country.

It only deepens the racial divide if people have a problem with it (I suspect many of those aren't going to be leading diversity rallies anyway). It really should just be a non-issue.

I don't get how you can say it's a non issue. The original debate was "Was he right to say it?" People posted all kinds of stats showing he was right. They also argued why he was right and compared it to other things to back up their point.

Then, I asked, what if a white person would have said it. And people jumped all over my #### saying white people aren't allowed to talk about that because of slavery 200 years ago.

You don't think that's strange? So the truth can be hidden, unless a black person says it. We, as a society, don't want to hear the truth, unless it comes from a certain group of people.

You really think that's a good thing?

I had no idea that things like the fair housing act and the voting rights act were 200 years old

 

[TheIronSheik]

If Tony Kornheiser had said it, how do you think it would have gone over?

Does it bother you that black people can say things about black culture that white people can't necessarily get away with? If so, why? Its true about pretty much every minority/majority and has been for a long time. So what?

It does bother me. If it's a true fact, why is it wrong for a white person to say it?

I don't know if it's tr ue. Nor do you. Nor do Kornheiser, or Wilbon for that matter. People do give black people a little more leeway in making odd generalizations about the black community because they assume the black person has more insight into that community. They'd do the same if it was a Jew talking about the Jewish community, or a ginger talking about the ginger community, or yes, even a white person talking about the white community. Is that fair? Don't know, don't care.

I am sorry that it bothers you so much, though. Good luck righting this wrong. We Shall Overcome

I like equality. I believe that's what we're all fighting for. For everyone to be equal. If you're cool with inequalities, gratz!

We live in a country where one race enslaved another for hundreds of years. After that, they treated them as 4th class citizens, terrorizing and killing them for another hundred or so.

Much of that was enabled by stereotyping and racial slurs.

It makes sense that black people can say certain things when speaking about black people and that white people should be a little more careful. It's not racist. It's just common sense.

That's completely false. And people who think that are the people who are keeping the racial divide growing in this country.

It only deepens the racial divide if people have a problem with it (I suspect many of those aren't going to be leading diversity rallies anyway). It really should just be a non-issue.

I don't get how you can say it's a non issue. The original debate was "Was he right to say it?" People posted all kinds of stats showing he was right. They also argued why he was right and compared it to other things to back up their point.

Then, I asked, what if a white person would have said it. And people jumped all over my #### saying white people aren't allowed to talk about that because of slavery 200 years ago.

You don't think that's strange? So the truth can be hidden, unless a black person says it. We, as a society, don't want to hear the truth, unless it comes from a certain group of people.

You really think that's a good thing?

I had no idea that things like the fair housing act and the voting rights act were 200 years old

You must have misread where I said slavery was 200 years ago and confused it with whatever the hell you're talking about. That's cool. As long as you think it helps your argument.

 

[cstu]

Who said that

Michael Wilbon

Idiot. I didn't have a dad to teach me how to play how to play baseball and I was in Little League.

Of course I was the worst player to ever play in the history of Little League baseball.

Right field, huh?

Correct. Half my OBP was leaning into pitches.

Looking back I'm pissed that had to play since I hated it but that's what kids did back then.

 

[Greggity]

Who said that

Michael Wilbon

Idiot. I didn't have a dad to teach me how to play how to play baseball and I was in Little League.

Of course I was the worst player to ever play in the history of Little League baseball.

Right field, huh?

Correct. Half my OBP was leaning into pitches.

Looking bad I'm pissed that had to play since I hated it but that's what kids did back then.

You seem like a follower. Hope you have a great season with the ice bucket challenges on fb...

 

[Yenrub]

I don't get how you can say it's a non issue. The original debate was "Was he right to say it?" People posted all kinds of stats showing he was right. They also argued why he was right and compared it to other things to back up their point.

Then, I asked, what if a white person would have said it. And people jumped all over my #### saying white people aren't allowed to talk about that because of slavery 200 years ago.

You don't think that's strange? So the truth can be hidden, unless a black person says it. We, as a society, don't want to hear the truth, unless it comes from a certain group of people.

You really think that's a good thing?

I had no idea that things like the fair housing act and the voting rights act were 200 years old

You must have misread where I said slavery was 200 years ago and confused it with whatever the hell you're talking about. That's cool. As long as you think it helps your argument.

Your post indicates that you think that slavery is the ONLY reason that black people get away with saying #### that others can’t

I just happened to point out a couple of post slavery issues that have something to do with it

 

[Greggity]

I don't get how you can say it's a non issue. The original debate was "Was he right to say it?" People posted all kinds of stats showing he was right. They also argued why he was right and compared it to other things to back up their point.

Then, I asked, what if a white person would have said it. And people jumped all over my #### saying white people aren't allowed to talk about that because of slavery 200 years ago.

You don't think that's strange? So the truth can be hidden, unless a black person says it. We, as a society, don't want to hear the truth, unless it comes from a certain group of people.

You really think that's a good thing?

I had no idea that things like the fair housing act and the voting rights act were 200 years old

You must have misread where I said slavery was 200 years ago and confused it with whatever the hell you're talking about. That's cool. As long as you think it helps your argument.

Your post indicates that you think that slavery is the ONLY reason that black people get away with saying #### that others can’t

I just happened to point out a couple of post slavery issues that have something to do with it

I like when we bring up the crusades, Thats always relevent. can we do that?

 

[TheIronSheik]

I don't get how you can say it's a non issue. The original debate was "Was he right to say it?" People posted all kinds of stats showing he was right. They also argued why he was right and compared it to other things to back up their point.

Then, I asked, what if a white person would have said it. And people jumped all over my #### saying white people aren't allowed to talk about that because of slavery 200 years ago.

You don't think that's strange? So the truth can be hidden, unless a black person says it. We, as a society, don't want to hear the truth, unless it comes from a certain group of people.

You really think that's a good thing?

I had no idea that things like the fair housing act and the voting rights act were 200 years old

You must have misread where I said slavery was 200 years ago and confused it with whatever the hell you're talking about. That's cool. As long as you think it helps your argument.

Your post indicates that you think that slavery is the ONLY reason that black people get away with saying #### that others can’t

I just happened to point out a couple of post slavery issues that have something to do with it

Congrats on making unsubstantiated assumptions.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Was watching the TV last night and they were talking about Little League. One guy said, "The reason little league is not big in black communities is because there are no black fathers around to teach their sons how to play baseball."

Is that a true statement? Or a racist statement?

Who said that

Michael Wilbon

I would say participation should go up without the father around.

I have worked with the main local youth sports organization and they really stress getting children that are on the street into sports. Those children, without father or decent parental guidance, who really need it. And we have such a crime problem and youth just completely falling off the grid that it's a real way to help.

And by the way if Kornheiser had said that he would be suspended right now.

 

[Da Guru]

I helped a friend of mine in Detroit a few years back. This man was a rec director and had some sponsors and equipment to get an 8 team league going. It was going to be 10-12 year olds. When all was said and done we were only able to get enough kids to field 4 teams for a 12 game season. By the end of the first month some teams were playing with only 8 players. The next year the league folded from lack of interest. As far as parental involvement the fathers that did come could not have been more helpful and concerned, but there were not many. In fact many kids showed up for practice and games on their own without any parent. Had he charged for anything I doubt we could have fielded 2 teams.

The same rec center can field 20 basketball teams of the same age overnight and have a waiting list. So basketball is king with football a close second. Baseball is way down on the list.

 

[chauncey]

:alert:

 

[FlapJacks]

depends on how he votes

 

[cstu]

Who said that

Michael Wilbon

Idiot. I didn't have a dad to teach me how to play how to play baseball and I was in Little League.

Of course I was the worst player to ever play in the history of Little League baseball.

Right field, huh?

Correct. Half my OBP was leaning into pitches.

Looking bad I'm pissed that had to play since I hated it but that's what kids did back then.

You seem like a follower. Hope you have a great season with the ice bucket challenges on fb...

Let's just say I learned the hard way from a young age about it.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I mostly agree with Iron Sheik. The thing about white people being allowed to say "" is a bad example, but Wilbon was making what he purports to be a statement of fact. Anybody should be able to make truth-claims regardless of race, and they should be interpreted in a color-blind manner. Personally, I think his statement was over-simplified to the point of willful stupidity and borderline racist, and that assessment would be exactly the same if a white guy had said it.

IMO, it's very slightly racist to have a double-standard when it comes to this sort of thing. A racial slur is different because there's no question about whether a black person who slings that term around is doing so in a hateful manner -- no problem there. But empirical statements should be treated the same way regardless of the race of the speaker. And it goes without saying that being right (which Wilbon is not, of course) should be an automatic defense against "you're a racist for saying that."

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

And it goes without saying that being right (which Wilbon is not, of course) should be an automatic defense against "you're a racist for saying that."

I'm not sure I agree with this. Depending on the context, even true statements can be racist.

Let's say I'm in a predominately black neighborhood and somebody breaks into my car. My friend asks me who did it. I say "probably some black guy." I think that seems statistically true but also racist.