Trump or Clinton - 2016 Election (1 Viewer)

[Truth Commission]

As we all know, a lot can change between now and when it's time to cast your vote for President.

Assuming that Donald Trump's campaign does not implode AND Hillary Clinton doesn't get arrested, these are the only two choices.

• Hillary Clinton: Most Americans do not trust her, and many think she is a 3rd term of President Obama. Although she's been running in the Democratic Primary farther to the left on some issues, most look at her close relationship to Wall Street as reason to think she will moderate. As Secretary of State, Clinton traveled a lot of miles, and appeared to be influential Secretary of State, does she want to include the Russia reset, the rise of ISIS, Libya and Syria as successes? Clinton says she'll not only contain, but defeat ISIS under her watch. Economically, Clinton has proposed new spending programs, but isn't as clear on how to pay for them under than taxing the top 1%. She is fighting (on the current campaign) for tougher gun control laws, and while she has more experience in Government than anyone else running, many have been lukewarm to her message (despite a commanding lead), possibly due to Clinton fatigue (scandals or at least the impression of one), and a lack of trust.
• Donald Trump: Trump is not running on policy, it wouldn't seem, and he has managed to offend women, Muslims, and Mexicans so far in his campaign. He claims that Mexico will build a wall, and will pay for it (while liking it) and that he will deport all illegal immigrants, but will allow the good ones back in. Recently, he proposed banning all Muslims from entering the country. Economically, Trump's tax plan has been seen as heavily favoring the top 1%, not his actual middle class supporters. Trump is seen as being a leader, and being credited by his supports for saying how it is (non politically correct) and has had a penchant for exaggerating or lying on various topics, and will have to overcome comments that have offended various segments of the population. Trump has dominated the media throughout his campaign, making it difficult for other candidates to get any media attention, and will surely continue to run a non-traditional campaign in 2016.

Make your choice, and vomiting is not an option!!!!!

 

[Das Boot]

:vomit:

I can't vote for either of them.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Two.

Prior.

Polls.

Just like this. Though this one has more false assumptions than the other two.

The combined results were:

- Trump - 106

- Hillary - 109

If this is the final pairing, I'm likely going Gary Johnson, Jim Webb, John Huntsman or a third party candidate of that kind.

 

[joffer]

Gary Johnson

 

[jamny]

If my only option was Hillary vs. Trump, I'm voting Trump.

But since I have the option of not voting, I would probably do that.

 

[jon_mx]

Hitler

 

[lod01]

Hitler

Another vote for Trump!

 

[cubd8]

Hitler

So you're voting for Trump then? ...Clinton?

Ha

 

[cubd8]

Two.

Prior.

Polls.

Just like this. Though this one has more false assumptions than the other two.

The combined results were:

- Trump - 106

- Hillary - 109

If this is the final pairing, I'm likely going Gary Johnson, Jim Webb, John Huntsman or a third party candidate of that kind.

What false assumptions - only 2 choices given?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Two.

Prior.

Polls.

Just like this. Though this one has more false assumptions than the other two.

The combined results were:

- Trump - 106

- Hillary - 109

If this is the final pairing, I'm likely going Gary Johnson, Jim Webb, John Huntsman or a third party candidate of that kind.

What false assumptions - only 2 choices given?

Yes, that's one. Also that it's either leadership or policies that matter. I don't think either are good leaders. And one has held every policy position possible for any given policy while the other is completely impenetrable in terms of what his policies are.

Etc.

 

[cubd8]

Two.

Prior.

Polls.

Just like this. Though this one has more false assumptions than the other two.

The combined results were:

- Trump - 106

- Hillary - 109

If this is the final pairing, I'm likely going Gary Johnson, Jim Webb, John Huntsman or a third party candidate of that kind.

What false assumptions - only 2 choices given?

Yes, that's one. Also that it's either leadership or policies that matter. I don't think either are good leaders. And one has held every policy position possible for any given policy while the other is completely impenetrable in terms of what his policies are.

Etc.

True. With Trump, you have to hope he doesn't believe a lot of what he says. With Clinton, everything is so politically driven. she knows policy, but I feel as sick about her as I do Trump.

Please let a different option into this vote.

 

[Snoopy]

:holdingmynose:

 

[bud29]

I think we may be looking at some record-low voter turnout if this is what it comes down to. Turrible. 300+ million people in this country and these are some of our "best" options?

 

[Gopher State]

Hillary and the rest is irrelevant if Trump is the nominee.

X2

 

[cubd8]

I think we may be looking at some record-low voter turnout if this is what it comes down to. Turrible. 300+ million people in this country and these are some of our "best" options?

I keep hearing that Trump's voting block are Republicans who don't typically vote, and he's not getting hard right conservatives (that's what Ted Cruz or Ben Carson have been getting). If this is accurate, that could signal more voters.

Also, just from a pure entertainment factor, this could draw more voters for all the wrong reasons. Trump vs. Clinton could be a mud fight. Trump wants nothing to do with discussing details, he's going to be insulting her everyday with something so out there that you'd never could have imagined it. All of this could bring in an entertainment crowd that normally doesn't care, and some of them could actually vote.

 

[lod01]

I think we may be looking at some record-low voter turnout if this is what it comes down to. Turrible. 300+ million people in this country and these are some of our "best" options?

Because nobody in their right mind would want to be POTUS. Thus we have Hillary and Trump. Both are insane and both are egomaniacs.

 

[timschochet]

Truth commission?

 

[timschochet]

I think we may be looking at some record-low voter turnout if this is what it comes down to. Turrible. 300+ million people in this country and these are some of our "best" options?

Because nobody in their right mind would want to be POTUS. Thus we have Hillary and Trump. Both are insane and both are egomaniacs.

Even I won't deny that Hillary is an egomaniac. (Most significant candidates for President usually are.) But how is she insane?

 

[jamny]

I think we may be looking at some record-low voter turnout if this is what it comes down to. Turrible. 300+ million people in this country and these are some of our "best" options?

Because nobody in their right mind would want to be POTUS. Thus we have Hillary and Trump. Both are insane and both are egomaniacs.

Even I won't deny that Hillary is an egomaniac. (Most significant candidates for President usually are.) But how is she insane?

Is there a Republican you would vote for over Sanders?

 

[timschochet]

I want to add that, though I argue with them all the time, though they drive me crazy, polls like these are really unfair to Bernie Sanders supporters.There are currently more Americans who would vote for Bernie than for Trump. Hillary Clinton has yet to win a single caucus or primary. She is the favorite, but certainly no lock to be the nominee.

 

[timschochet]

I think we may be looking at some record-low voter turnout if this is what it comes down to. Turrible. 300+ million people in this country and these are some of our "best" options?

Because nobody in their right mind would want to be POTUS. Thus we have Hillary and Trump. Both are insane and both are egomaniacs.

Even I won't deny that Hillary is an egomaniac. (Most significant candidates for President usually are.) But how is she insane?

Is there a Republican you would vote for over Sanders?

Yes. John Kasich. Maybe Chris Christie or Jeb Bush. Other than that, no.

 

[timschochet]

Oh, forgot. I'd vote for George Pataki over Sanders too.

 

[jamny]

Pataki!

I could make a case for the other 3 but him?

 

[cubd8]

I want to add that, though I argue with them all the time, though they drive me crazy, polls like these are really unfair to Bernie Sanders supporters.There are currently more Americans who would vote for Bernie than for Trump. Hillary Clinton has yet to win a single caucus or primary. She is the favorite, but certainly no lock to be the nominee.

Isn't that because there are only 2 candidates running in the Democratic party so the 2nd place is still more votes than a 1st pace in the Republican party?

Just the fact that 35% or so of Democrats are voting for a guy who can't pay for the crazy amount of spending and doesn't even want to talk about ISIS is pretty pathetic. I'm not a Sanders fan.

 

[timschochet]

Pataki!

I could make a case for the other 3 but him?

He's a centrist. That's where I'm at. In the last kids' debate he made some very good points, I thought, about reforming the VA system among other things. Not that it will help him any. I think he's at about .0001%. But I enjoy listening to him. Smart guy, IMO.

 

[jamny]

Pataki!

I could make a case for the other 3 but him?

He's a centrist. That's where I'm at. In the last kids' debate he made some very good points, I thought, about reforming the VA system among other things. Not that it will help him any. I think he's at about .0001%. But I enjoy listening to him. Smart guy, IMO.

Sure, listening to ideas is cool but would you really vote for him for President?

 

[timschochet]

I want to add that, though I argue with them all the time, though they drive me crazy, polls like these are really unfair to Bernie Sanders supporters.There are currently more Americans who would vote for Bernie than for Trump. Hillary Clinton has yet to win a single caucus or primary. She is the favorite, but certainly no lock to be the nominee.

Isn't that because there are only 2 candidates running in the Democratic party so the 2nd place is still more votes than a 1st pace in the Republican party?

Just the fact that 35% or so of Democrats are voting for a guy who can't pay for the crazy amount of spending and doesn't even want to talk about ISIS is pretty pathetic. I'm not a Sanders fan.

I'm not either, but Sanders' support is not simply because he's one of only 3. He's got the Warren wing of the Democratic party behind him. These folks are passionate, they're energized, and they've been mad as hell since the crash of 2008. They were the Occupy Wall Street movement. They want real reform. However Sanders ends up, this movement is for real and they're not going away.

 

[timschochet]

Pataki!

I could make a case for the other 3 but him?

He's a centrist. That's where I'm at. In the last kids' debate he made some very good points, I thought, about reforming the VA system among other things. Not that it will help him any. I think he's at about .0001%. But I enjoy listening to him. Smart guy, IMO.

Sure, listening to ideas is cool but would you really vote for him for President?

If it were Pataki vs. Sanders? Yeah.

 

[Thunderlips]

Trump's going to make it more of a race than HRC supporters will care to admit right now........particularly if Trumps tags Cruz as his VPOTUS. A combination of Obama Fatigue, Clinton Fatigue and (IMO) the idea that Trump supporters are more excited puts this one into being decided by FL and OH.

 

[cubd8]

I want to add that, though I argue with them all the time, though they drive me crazy, polls like these are really unfair to Bernie Sanders supporters.There are currently more Americans who would vote for Bernie than for Trump. Hillary Clinton has yet to win a single caucus or primary. She is the favorite, but certainly no lock to be the nominee.

Isn't that because there are only 2 candidates running in the Democratic party so the 2nd place is still more votes than a 1st pace in the Republican party?

Just the fact that 35% or so of Democrats are voting for a guy who can't pay for the crazy amount of spending and doesn't even want to talk about ISIS is pretty pathetic. I'm not a Sanders fan.

I'm not either, but Sanders' support is not simply because he's one of only 3. He's got the Warren wing of the Democratic party behind him. These folks are passionate, they're energized, and they've been mad as hell since the crash of 2008. They were the Occupy Wall Street movement. They want real reform. However Sanders ends up, this movement is for real and they're not going away.

No doubt, extremely passionate. I like that. However, not paying for crazy new spending is not responsible.

 

[cubd8]

Trump's going to make it more of a race than HRC supporters will care to admit right now........particularly if Trumps tags Cruz as his VPOTUS. A combination of Obama Fatigue, Clinton Fatigue and (IMO) the idea that Trump supporters are more excited puts this one into being decided by FL and OH.

Will Trump supporters keep coming out though?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I think we may be looking at some record-low voter turnout if this is what it comes down to. Turrible. 300+ million people in this country and these are some of our "best" options?

Because nobody in their right mind would want to be POTUS. Thus we have Hillary and Trump. Both are insane and both are egomaniacs.

Even I won't deny that Hillary is an egomaniac. (Most significant candidates for President usually are.) But how is she insane?

Is there a Republican you would vote for over Sanders?

Yes. John Kasich. Maybe Chris Christie or Jeb Bush. Other than that, no.

Oh, forgot. I'd vote for George Pataki over Sanders too.

Pataki needs to -Get-Out-. In fact everyone not named Bush, Kasich, Rubio, Christie, Cruz, or Trump needs to get out of the GOP race now. With the DNC we have Hillary sock puppets manipulating every last detail to manufacture a nominee and with the GOP we have feckless leadership who act like they are herding cats. Total breakdown in both parties in doing their number one job, which is finding and nominating good potential presidents.

 

[Thunderlips]

Trump's going to make it more of a race than HRC supporters will care to admit right now........particularly if Trumps tags Cruz as his VPOTUS. A combination of Obama Fatigue, Clinton Fatigue and (IMO) the idea that Trump supporters are more excited puts this one into being decided by FL and OH.

Will Trump supporters keep coming out though?

I think that if Trump gets on the R ticket...all R's have to rally behind him. You can't tell me that A) 8 years of Obama were horrible and we need a Republican in the White Hosue...BUT....we don't like this guy and B) The Clintons are the devils of our time....BUT...we're not going to support the guy that we elected to run against them. Abandoning their candidate of choice in the face of these two points (IMO) destroys any credibility of the R Machine and Party. If they're smart, they hold their nose, hold the line, eat whatever #### they think Trump is going to give them and count on A) holding the House, B) holding the majority of Governorships and State Houses and C) taking a shot at the Senate...while hoping that Trump doesn't backdoor them in regards to traditional Conservative social issues.

I think tagging Cruz reassures the Evagelical base and gives them a reason to stay in the race for Trump.....plus, (and this is anecdotal)....I think Trump will start to get more support from blue collar traditional Democrats who have grown disallusioned with The Party of Obama.

 

[cubd8]

I think we may be looking at some record-low voter turnout if this is what it comes down to. Turrible. 300+ million people in this country and these are some of our "best" options?

Because nobody in their right mind would want to be POTUS. Thus we have Hillary and Trump. Both are insane and both are egomaniacs.

Even I won't deny that Hillary is an egomaniac. (Most significant candidates for President usually are.) But how is she insane?

Is there a Republican you would vote for over Sanders?

Yes. John Kasich. Maybe Chris Christie or Jeb Bush. Other than that, no.

Oh, forgot. I'd vote for George Pataki over Sanders too.

Pataki needs to -Get-Out-. In fact everyone not named Bush, Kasich, Rubio, Christie, Cruz, or Trump needs to get out of the GOP race. With the DNC we have Hillary sock puppets manipulating every last detail to manufacture a nominee and with the GOP we have feckless leadership who act like they are herding cats. Total breakdown in both parties in doing their number one job, which is finding and nominating good potential presidents.

I love what Fox Business is doing for the next debate - sounds like only 6 will be on the main stage. Might make both debates more watchable.

 

[jamny]

I think we may be looking at some record-low voter turnout if this is what it comes down to. Turrible. 300+ million people in this country and these are some of our "best" options?

Because nobody in their right mind would want to be POTUS. Thus we have Hillary and Trump. Both are insane and both are egomaniacs.

Even I won't deny that Hillary is an egomaniac. (Most significant candidates for President usually are.) But how is she insane?

Is there a Republican you would vote for over Sanders?

Yes. John Kasich. Maybe Chris Christie or Jeb Bush. Other than that, no.

Oh, forgot. I'd vote for George Pataki over Sanders too.

Pataki needs to -Get-Out-. In fact everyone not named Bush, Kasich, Rubio, Christie, Cruz, or Trump needs to get out of the GOP race. With the DNC we have Hillary sock puppets manipulating every last detail to manufacture a nominee and with the GOP we have feckless leadership who act like they are herding cats. Total breakdown in both parties in doing their number one job, which is finding and nominating good potential presidents.

I'm fine with taking Bush and Kasich off that list but whatever.

So what is it? Where is the money coming from for the rest of these guys? Donors, super pacs. Who is really putting money into the Pataki campaign?

 

[Hov34]

Null

 

[cubd8]

Trump's going to make it more of a race than HRC supporters will care to admit right now........particularly if Trumps tags Cruz as his VPOTUS. A combination of Obama Fatigue, Clinton Fatigue and (IMO) the idea that Trump supporters are more excited puts this one into being decided by FL and OH.

Will Trump supporters keep coming out though?

I think that if Trump gets on the R ticket...all R's have to rally behind him. You can't tell me that A) 8 years of Obama were horrible and we need a Republican in the White Hosue...BUT....we don't like this guy and B) The Clintons are the devils of our time....BUT...we're not going to support the guy that we elected to run against them. Abandoning their candidate of choice in the face of these two points (IMO) destroys any credibility of the R Machine and Party. If they're smart, they hold their nose, hold the line, eat whatever #### they think Trump is going to give them and count on A) holding the House, B) holding the majority of Governorships and State Houses and C) taking a shot at the Senate...while hoping that Trump doesn't backdoor them in regards to traditional Conservative social issues.

I think tagging Cruz reassures the Evagelical base and gives them a reason to stay in the race for Trump.....plus, (and this is anecdotal)....I think Trump will start to get more support from blue collar traditional Democrats who have grown disallusioned with The Party of Obama.

All Republicans have to get behind him, but how many actually will? Wasn't that a similar issue that Romney had?

There should be plenty of motivation for Republicans to get the White House back, but I don't know if half the base will want to vote for Trump.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I think we may be looking at some record-low voter turnout if this is what it comes down to. Turrible. 300+ million people in this country and these are some of our "best" options?

Because nobody in their right mind would want to be POTUS. Thus we have Hillary and Trump. Both are insane and both are egomaniacs.

Even I won't deny that Hillary is an egomaniac. (Most significant candidates for President usually are.) But how is she insane?

Is there a Republican you would vote for over Sanders?

Yes. John Kasich. Maybe Chris Christie or Jeb Bush. Other than that, no.

Oh, forgot. I'd vote for George Pataki over Sanders too.

Pataki needs to -Get-Out-. In fact everyone not named Bush, Kasich, Rubio, Christie, Cruz, or Trump needs to get out of the GOP race. With the DNC we have Hillary sock puppets manipulating every last detail to manufacture a nominee and with the GOP we have feckless leadership who act like they are herding cats. Total breakdown in both parties in doing their number one job, which is finding and nominating good potential presidents.

I'm fine with taking Bush and Kasich off that list but whatever.

So what is it? Where is the money coming from for the rest of these guys? Donors, super pacs. Who is really putting money into the Pataki campaign?

Right I agree, take your pick, it could probably be narrower. The thing with Bush is that he has a load of cash which he will pour into someone's campaign if or when he drops out. He has like 100 million plus or something like that.

I don't know where all the money for these little dwarf candidates come from. I can tell you Jindal raced around the country and the world raising money on the state's dime for two years before he ran. Fat lot of good it did him.

 

[Scoresman]

Most of the time, day to day #### for most people doesnt change no matter who gets elected. Hillary would be just that sort of president. Ok whatever. I can live with that. With Trump on the other hand, I truly fear what could result if someone like him was president.

 

[cubd8]

I think we may be looking at some record-low voter turnout if this is what it comes down to. Turrible. 300+ million people in this country and these are some of our "best" options?

Because nobody in their right mind would want to be POTUS. Thus we have Hillary and Trump. Both are insane and both are egomaniacs.

Even I won't deny that Hillary is an egomaniac. (Most significant candidates for President usually are.) But how is she insane?

Is there a Republican you would vote for over Sanders?

Yes. John Kasich. Maybe Chris Christie or Jeb Bush. Other than that, no.

Oh, forgot. I'd vote for George Pataki over Sanders too.

Pataki needs to -Get-Out-. In fact everyone not named Bush, Kasich, Rubio, Christie, Cruz, or Trump needs to get out of the GOP race. With the DNC we have Hillary sock puppets manipulating every last detail to manufacture a nominee and with the GOP we have feckless leadership who act like they are herding cats. Total breakdown in both parties in doing their number one job, which is finding and nominating good potential presidents.

I'm fine with taking Bush and Kasich off that list but whatever.

So what is it? Where is the money coming from for the rest of these guys? Donors, super pacs. Who is really putting money into the Pataki campaign?

Right I agree, take your pick, it could probably be narrower. The thing with Bush is that he has a load of cash which he will pour into someone's campaign if or when he drops out. He has like 100 million plus or something like that.

I don't know where all the money for these little dwarf candidates come from. I can tell you Jindal raced around the country and the world raising money on the state's dime for two years before he ran. Fat lot of good it did him.

I think TV money is overrated. Who watches commercials anymore, especially when every one is the EXACT same thing?

Who do they convince? I can't name one person who was worn down by advertising OR thought that a good point was actually made in a 30 second clip.

In my mind, I can't figure out what is more meaningless - a flood of commercials or a political endorsement.

One thing Trump has been great at - dominating the air. He's on every show, pretty regularly and more than regular guests/contributors. Even if the average person thought that Chris Christie (or whomever) was great, you may never know it, not without having to do research yourself. Trump has gotten nearly 90% of all the press, and even when another candidate is one, they are asked about him.

 

[cubd8]

Most of the time, day to day #### for most people doesnt change no matter who gets elected. Hillary would be just that sort of president. Ok whatever. I can live with that. With Trump on the other hand, I truly fear what could result if someone like him was president.

Not defending Trump, but hasn't Clinton been involved in bad policy that has hurt the country (foreign policy specifically)?

 

[Scoresman]

Most of the time, day to day #### for most people doesnt change no matter who gets elected. Hillary would be just that sort of president. Ok whatever. I can live with that. With Trump on the other hand, I truly fear what could result if someone like him was president.

Not defending Trump, but hasn't Clinton been involved in bad policy that has hurt the country (foreign policy specifically)?

That may very well be true, but whatever respect we have left as a nation internationally will vanish if we manage to elect Trump. I find it hard to believe Hillary could do worse in that respect.

 

[cubd8]

Most of the time, day to day #### for most people doesnt change no matter who gets elected. Hillary would be just that sort of president. Ok whatever. I can live with that. With Trump on the other hand, I truly fear what could result if someone like him was president.

Not defending Trump, but hasn't Clinton been involved in bad policy that has hurt the country (foreign policy specifically)?

That may very well be true, but whatever respect we have left as a nation internationally will vanish if we manage to elect Trump. I find it hard to believe Hillary could do worse in that respect.

But, some would argue, she already has done worse than anything Trump can do? She's either responsible or not for foreign policies decisions made under Obama; I hear that she's been great in this area, but doesn't seem to take any of the hits. maybe I'm incorrect, but someone, who was in power, made bad (or carried out) decisions. To date, Trump is just full of ####.

 

[timschochet]

Most of the time, day to day #### for most people doesnt change no matter who gets elected. Hillary would be just that sort of president. Ok whatever. I can live with that. With Trump on the other hand, I truly fear what could result if someone like him was president.

Not defending Trump, but hasn't Clinton been involved in bad policy that has hurt the country (foreign policy specifically)?

No.

 

[timschochet]

Most of the time, day to day #### for most people doesnt change no matter who gets elected. Hillary would be just that sort of president. Ok whatever. I can live with that. With Trump on the other hand, I truly fear what could result if someone like him was president.

Not defending Trump, but hasn't Clinton been involved in bad policy that has hurt the country (foreign policy specifically)?

That may very well be true, but whatever respect we have left as a nation internationally will vanish if we manage to elect Trump. I find it hard to believe Hillary could do worse in that respect.

But, some would argue, she already has done worse than anything Trump can do? She's either responsible or not for foreign policies decisions made under Obama; I hear that she's been great in this area, but doesn't seem to take any of the hits. maybe I'm incorrect, but someone, who was in power, made bad (or carried out) decisions. To date, Trump is just full of ####.

lol. Most of Obama's policies have been excellent. Hillary can and should be proud of her contribution to many of them.

 

[cubd8]

Most of the time, day to day #### for most people doesnt change no matter who gets elected. Hillary would be just that sort of president. Ok whatever. I can live with that. With Trump on the other hand, I truly fear what could result if someone like him was president.

Not defending Trump, but hasn't Clinton been involved in bad policy that has hurt the country (foreign policy specifically)?

That may very well be true, but whatever respect we have left as a nation internationally will vanish if we manage to elect Trump. I find it hard to believe Hillary could do worse in that respect.

But, some would argue, she already has done worse than anything Trump can do? She's either responsible or not for foreign policies decisions made under Obama; I hear that she's been great in this area, but doesn't seem to take any of the hits. maybe I'm incorrect, but someone, who was in power, made bad (or carried out) decisions. To date, Trump is just full of ####.

lol. Most of Obama's policies have been excellent. Hillary can and should be proud of her contribution to many of them.

On foreign policy, wrong.

On the economy, wrong.

Republicans don't solutions either though.

 

[cubd8]

Most of the time, day to day #### for most people doesnt change no matter who gets elected. Hillary would be just that sort of president. Ok whatever. I can live with that. With Trump on the other hand, I truly fear what could result if someone like him was president.

Not defending Trump, but hasn't Clinton been involved in bad policy that has hurt the country (foreign policy specifically)?

No.

You can't defend Obama's, or Clinton's (depending on who you want to deflect) foreign policy.

 

[cubd8]

Most of the time, day to day #### for most people doesnt change no matter who gets elected. Hillary would be just that sort of president. Ok whatever. I can live with that. With Trump on the other hand, I truly fear what could result if someone like him was president.

Not defending Trump, but hasn't Clinton been involved in bad policy that has hurt the country (foreign policy specifically)?

That may very well be true, but whatever respect we have left as a nation internationally will vanish if we manage to elect Trump. I find it hard to believe Hillary could do worse in that respect.

I get your point, but I think the whole new diplomacy/fresh start hasn't changed much internationally.

 

[timschochet]

Most of the time, day to day #### for most people doesnt change no matter who gets elected. Hillary would be just that sort of president. Ok whatever. I can live with that. With Trump on the other hand, I truly fear what could result if someone like him was president.

Not defending Trump, but hasn't Clinton been involved in bad policy that has hurt the country (foreign policy specifically)?

No.

You can't defend Obama's, or Clinton's (depending on who you want to deflect) foreign policy.

I absolutely can, I have, and I will continue to do so. After Richard Nixon, Obama is the best foreign policy President of my lifetime, though Bill Clinton was excellent as well.

 

[cubd8]

Most of the time, day to day #### for most people doesnt change no matter who gets elected. Hillary would be just that sort of president. Ok whatever. I can live with that. With Trump on the other hand, I truly fear what could result if someone like him was president.

Not defending Trump, but hasn't Clinton been involved in bad policy that has hurt the country (foreign policy specifically)?

No.

You can't defend Obama's, or Clinton's (depending on who you want to deflect) foreign policy.

I absolutely can, I have, and I will continue to do so.After Richard Nixon, Obama is the best foreign policy President of my lifetime, though Bill Clinton was excellent as well.

I'd love to see your posts or your breakdowns on how things are going so well with ISIS, Russia/Ukraine, Syria, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.

Tell me where I'm going wrong, but the current administration has made the country less safe.