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TRUMP TO INFINITY AND BEYOND HQ - The Great and Positive Place (7 Viewers)

knowledge dropper said:
Gallup is pretty credible.  If you factor in the reality that many people keep positive Trump comments on the down-low, the real percentage is probably pushing 70%.  
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I didn't say it wasn't credible, just pondering on the question and how people define it.  

I would probably say yes to the question, but also would question how much of that has to do with any POTUS.  

 
KarmaPolice said:
I didn't say it wasn't credible, just pondering on the question and how people define it.  

I would probably say yes to the question, but also would question how much of that has to do with any POTUS.  
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From Chris Cillizza, CNN Editor-at-large

Updated 11:05 AM ET, Fri October 9, 2020

That Gallup poll doesn't say what Donald Trump thinks it does

[...]

What the Gallup numbers suggest is that even though people feel better off than they were at this time in 2016 -- a somewhat remarkable finding given the ongoing coronavirus pandemic -- they don't ascribe that better feeling to Trump and his policies. Or even if they do give Trump credit for feeling "better off" -- usually a measure of economic stability, optimism and well-being -- there are other things they prioritize when it comes to choosing the next president.

Consider Gallup's other findings as they relate to Trump. His job approval for the month of September in Gallup polling is 44%. (That compares to 49% for Barack Obama in September 2012, 53% for George w. Bush in September 2004 and 60% for Bill Clinton in September 1996.) His personal favorability rating is 41% in Gallup's September data; at this time in 2012, Obama's personal favorable rating was 55%.

The message voters are sending is pretty clear: Many of them just don't like Trump personally.

That should be extremely worrisome for the President and his team. A majority of people feel better about their own lives than they did four years ago. With any past president, that would be a near-guarantee of a second term. Voters who feel like their own lives -- typically judged by their economic successes (or failures) -- are getting better have little interest in changing out the president.

But that's not the case here. A majority of voters are satisfied with where they are and, according to all swing state and national polling, want to replace Trump with former Vice President Joe Biden. (Biden leads Trump 53% to 42% in CNN's poll of polls.)

That's a very, very tough nut for Trump to crack -- even if he had two years to do it. But he doesn't have two years. He has 25 days. Essentially he has to figure out a way to get credit for voters' positive feelings about their personal status while also somehow convincing them to prioritize that feeling over their personal dislike for him and the way he conducts himself in office.

What that Gallup poll that Trump and his campaign have touted actually tells us is that if Trump had been, well, a whole lot less Trump-y, he might be in a strong position to win a second term. But because Trump is Trump, he has managed to separate out voters' positive feelings about their lives from their feelings about him. People feel good about their situations, and Trump doesn't benefit.

Rather than pumping up that poll as proof of his successes, Trump should see the Gallup numbers for what they actually are: A blaring warning sign that he is headed toward a loss on November 3.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/09/politics/gallup-poll-better-off-donald-trump/index.html

 
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knowledge dropper said:
CNN spin.  
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There is a disconnect between the Gallup 56% finding and Trump's dismal approval ratings and how he is polling nationally and in swing states against Biden.

One would think that either Gallup's 56% of respondents feeling better off than in 2016 is out of whack, or Trumps approval ratings and presidential polling numbers are. They shouldn't both be true...unless they do feel better but don't attribute it to Trump's policies or even like him.

 
squistion said:
There is a disconnect between the Gallup 56% finding and Trump's dismal approval ratings and how he is polling nationally and in swing states against Biden.

One would think that either Gallup's 56% of respondents feeling better off than in 2016 is out of whack, or Trumps approval ratings and presidential polling numbers are. They shouldn't both be true...unless they do feel better but don't attribute it to Trump's policies or even like him.
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As we have all known the approval ratings are junk.  

 
squistion said:
There is a disconnect between the Gallup 56% finding and Trump's dismal approval ratings and how he is polling nationally and in swing states against Biden.

One would think that either Gallup's 56% of respondents feeling better off than in 2016 is out of whack, or Trumps approval ratings and presidential polling numbers are. They shouldn't both be true...unless they do feel better but don't attribute it to Trump's policies or even like him.
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Like I said I would vote better off.  0 chance Trump gets my vote though.  

 
squistion said:
From Chris Cillizza, CNN Editor-at-large

Updated 11:05 AM ET, Fri October 9, 2020

That Gallup poll doesn't say what Donald Trump thinks it does

[...]

What the Gallup numbers suggest is that even though people feel better off than they were at this time in 2016 -- a somewhat remarkable finding given the ongoing coronavirus pandemic -- they don't ascribe that better feeling to Trump and his policies. Or even if they do give Trump credit for feeling "better off" -- usually a measure of economic stability, optimism and well-being -- there are other things they prioritize when it comes to choosing the next president.

Consider Gallup's other findings as they relate to Trump. His job approval for the month of September in Gallup polling is 44%. (That compares to 49% for Barack Obama in September 2012, 53% for George w. Bush in September 2004 and 60% for Bill Clinton in September 1996.) His personal favorability rating is 41% in Gallup's September data; at this time in 2012, Obama's personal favorable rating was 55%.

The message voters are sending is pretty clear: Many of them just don't like Trump personally.

That should be extremely worrisome for the President and his team. A majority of people feel better about their own lives than they did four years ago. With any past president, that would be a near-guarantee of a second term. Voters who feel like their own lives -- typically judged by their economic successes (or failures) -- are getting better have little interest in changing out the president.

But that's not the case here. A majority of voters are satisfied with where they are and, according to all swing state and national polling, want to replace Trump with former Vice President Joe Biden. (Biden leads Trump 53% to 42% in CNN's poll of polls.)

That's a very, very tough nut for Trump to crack -- even if he had two years to do it. But he doesn't have two years. He has 25 days. Essentially he has to figure out a way to get credit for voters' positive feelings about their personal status while also somehow convincing them to prioritize that feeling over their personal dislike for him and the way he conducts himself in office.

What that Gallup poll that Trump and his campaign have touted actually tells us is that if Trump had been, well, a whole lot less Trump-y, he might be in a strong position to win a second term. But because Trump is Trump, he has managed to separate out voters' positive feelings about their lives from their feelings about him. People feel good about their situations, and Trump doesn't benefit.

Rather than pumping up that poll as proof of his successes, Trump should see the Gallup numbers for what they actually are: A blaring warning sign that he is headed toward a loss on November 3.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/09/politics/gallup-poll-better-off-donald-trump/index.html
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I have to question whether the author who wrote that piece for CNN even bothered to look at the poll.  The very first sentence of the poll says, "Results are based on telephone interviews conducted January 16-29, 2020..."  So at that point in time, COVID wasn't an issues in the United States.  

Then his position that they don't ascribe their better feelings to Trump's policies, seems like a bit of cherry picking on the authors part.  There are two questions, "Please indicate how much credit, if any, [RANDOM ORDER] deserves for the improvement in the state of the economy in the past few years - -"

Donald Trump - Great deal: 37%; Fair amount: 25%; Not much: 19%; None at all: 18%

Then there is a question, "Thinking about improvements  in the U.S. economy OVER THE PAST YEAR, how much credit do you give [RANDOM ORDER]..."

Donald Trump - Great deal: 22%; Fair amount: 27%; Not much: 26%; None at all: 24%; No opinion: 2%

So over the past few years, 62% of respondents gave Trump credit for the economy.  Over the past year only 49% gave him credit.  

 
Snotbubbles said:
I have to question whether the author who wrote that piece for CNN even bothered to look at the poll.  The very first sentence of the poll says, "Results are based on telephone interviews conducted January 16-29, 2020..."  So at that point in time, COVID wasn't an issues in the United States.  
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I am not sure what you are looking at, I edited the article, signified by [...] it the omitted part it says (you can find at link)

The Gallup data -- taken from a poll in the field from September 14 to September 29

 
HellToupee said:
He sounded  good today and very relaxed.

Donald dropped  the F bomb :lmao:
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That was amazing and Trump sounded great. Listened to the entire thing going up 151 to Madison and every field is loaded with Trump signs, again. 👍

I almost forgot how great of a life Trump had before this before Rush brought it up. One of the biggest shows on tv, filthy rich, adored by the liberal media and Hollywood. Sometimes I think as a country we truly don’t deserve President Trump.

 
Widbil83 said:
Yeah almost as orange man bad.

Got any real take on Biden saying you don’t deserve to know why he wants to destroy the SCOTUS?
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Um, I must have missed the part where he was asked or said he wants to destroy SCOTUS.

 
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SoBeDad said:
We have tremendous economic problems. Biden did pretty well as VP in charge of recovery  from the last recession. Why wouldn't he be equally effective in 2021?

Great Recession Recovery Effort Shaped A Key Part Of Biden's Record
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Which part of the worst recovery ever are you giving the VP credit for?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/louiswoodhill/2012/08/01/obama-wins-the-gold-for-worst-economic-recovery-ever/amp/

The only economic problems now are from a pandemic that only those blinded by Trump hate try to blame him for. Posting misinformation in here like you did doesn’t fool anyone, come on friend do better than that please.

 
Widbil83 said:
How do we know he doesn’t? He says we don’t deserve to know. 
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Biden clarifies his earlier statement:

Biden is again asked why voters don’t deserve to know his views on court packing. He responds: “The only court packing going on right now is going on with Republicans packing the court right now ... I’m going to stay focused on it so we don’t take our eyes off the ball here."

https://twitter.com/jeneps/status/1315001442437079042 (video clip at link but poor quality audio)

 
GoBirds said:
Which part of the worst recovery ever are you giving the VP credit for?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/louiswoodhill/2012/08/01/obama-wins-the-gold-for-worst-economic-recovery-ever/amp/

The only economic problems now are from a pandemic that only those blinded by Trump hate try to blame him for. Posting misinformation in here like you did doesn’t fool anyone, come on friend do better than that please.
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That article is from 2012. There was continued growth under Obama/Biden whenTrump took over in 2017, making it the longest period of growth in recent history. Louis Woodhill, who wrote that article, was prejecting the Trump tax cuts to generate 4% growth as far as the eye could see!

 
squistion said:
Biden clarifies his earlier statement:

Biden is again asked why voters don’t deserve to know his views on court packing. He responds: “The only court packing going on right now is going on with Republicans packing the court right now ... I’m going to stay focused on it so we don’t take our eyes off the ball here."

https://twitter.com/jeneps/status/1315001442437079042 (video clip at link but poor quality audio)
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Ah yes Biden back safely in the cocoon of the MSM away from pesky local news anchors not answering the question and being given a pass, again. 

 
squistion said:
Biden clarifies his earlier statement:

Biden is again asked why voters don’t deserve to know his views on court packing. He responds: “The only court packing going on right now is going on with Republicans packing the court right now ... I’m going to stay focused on it so we don’t take our eyes off the ball here."

https://twitter.com/jeneps/status/1315001442437079042 (video clip at link but poor quality audio)
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Jesus Christ almighty 

 
FDR won the electoral college 523 to 8 and still couldn't pack the supreme court. Is this really a big issue in 2020 or a red herring?

Mayor Pete had a serious plan to overhaul the process and make it less political, which is not the same as packing the court.

 
SoBeDad said:
That article is from 2012. There was continued growth under Obama/Biden whenTrump took over in 2017, making it the longest period of growth in recent history. Louis Woodhill, who wrote that article, was prejecting the Trump tax cuts to generate 4% growth as far as the eye could see!
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.....and it continued to be the slowest economic “recovery “ since the Great Depression. It was a turd of a job and that’s putting it nicely and with Bernanke printing money at a record clip. Sorry, they were a complete failure. 

 
SoBeDad said:
FDR won the electoral college 523 to 8 and still couldn't pack the supreme court. Is this really a big issue in 2020 or a red herring?

Mayor Pete had a serious plan to overhaul the process and make it less political, which is not the same as packing the court.
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Are you really comparing the 1930s era Democrats with the Democrat Party of 2020? 

 
SoBeDad said:
FDR won the electoral college 523 to 8 and still couldn't pack the supreme court. Is this really a big issue in 2020 or a red herring?

Mayor Pete had a serious plan to overhaul the process and make it less political, which is not the same as packing the court.
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Yes, but that was in the mid 30s, the Republicans didn't control the Senate and hadn't stolen 2 SCOTUS seats.

 
GoBirds said:
Economy is on a trajectory to take off again, hopefully the voters see through the fake media agenda. 
 

You can see by the behavior of many of the haters they are on edge. 
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Amzn, Nasdaq and even the Dow reaching for all time highs.  Will be interesting to see how Prime Day goes. If you hate America dont buy anything over the next couple of days.  

 
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