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Trump's Presidential pardons: a catalogue (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter Sea Duck
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Thinking if anyone will she will. Wishing her well was a message he would be there for her. Trump needs to buy her silence
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NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
CNN.com ran a piece from one of the FBI forensic leads who investigated the Blackwater incident. It s a tough read, to say the least.
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urbanhack
Fight The Power!
Do all the non-violent cannabis ones first...immediately. None of these folks should be in prisión right now with so many states legal recreationally and medically, weed stocks taking off and lot’s of people making millions right now in a legal industry.
Shameful.
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Sorry but Mr. Trump has his obvious priorities. Child traffickers go first, then the guy caught selling dime bags on a street corner.
Drunken Cowboy
Footballguy
TwinTurbo
Footballguy
It's the way we've always done it because our founding fathers understood it's a necessary power to circumvent a flawed judicial process or a wrongful conviction. It would be foolish to change this just because Trump or Clinton or whatever President gave out pardons you don't agree with. Because many Presidents have used the power wisely, justly, and effectively.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
Well, the abuse of this power seems to be gaining steam in the last 30 years. I guess you're saying the people get what they deserve for voting in corrupt individuals who lack a moral compass.
TwinTurbo
Footballguy
Respectfully I think almost every career politician on both sides of the aisle is corrupt and lacks a moral compass. At least the person with the pardon power has actual term limits.
Drunken Cowboy
Footballguy
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
The numbers don`t lie.
Obama had 212 pardons and 1715 sentences commuted.
GW Bush had 189 pardons and 11 commuted.
Bill Clinton 398 pardons and 61 commuted
Bush Sr. 74 pardons and 3 commuted
Reagan 393 pardons and 12 commuted
Carter 534 pardons and 29 commuted
Trump had 28 and 16 going into last week. So he will end up well behind the previous 6.
Obamas combined pardons and commuted sentences are more than all of the other 6 added together.
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Mister CIA
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
As plenty mentioned prior to you posting this...the complaints about Trump have zero to do with quantity of pardson/commutations.
Mister CIA
Footballguy
And it had no context, which surely you knew. The numbers you pasted made no distinction between child rapists and dope smokers. That's kind of important.
Pardon me if my criticism was harsh.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
All good. There are some pardons by all that are very questionable. Trump pardons his buddies..like a golf league.
Mister CIA
Footballguy
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
I dont disagree with any of them. Those are just the numbers. Whoever is pardoned the reseach has been done.
Of course Chelsea Manning was the one everyone talked about as she passed documents military that endangered people lives. Oscar Lopez who was involved in a reported 28 Chicago area bombings in the 70s was pardoned.
The POTUS has the right to pardon anyone. Who is not up to us.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
So happy that the colonials threw off the yoke of monarchy and created an imperial president.
IOWA CITY, Iowa (AP) — A federal judge in Iowa who has warned against political corruption is ridiculing President Donald Trump’s pardons, including those issued to convicted Republican campaign operatives and former members of Congress.
“It’s not surprising that a criminal like Trump pardons other criminals,” senior U.S. District Judge Robert Pratt of the Southern District of Iowa told The Associated Press in a brief phone interview Monday. In a bit of humor, he said: “But apparently to get a pardon, one has to be either a Republican, a convicted child murderer or a turkey.”
“It’s not surprising that a criminal like Trump pardons other criminals,” senior U.S. District Judge Robert Pratt of the Southern District of Iowa told The Associated Press in a brief phone interview Monday. In a bit of humor, he said: “But apparently to get a pardon, one has to be either a Republican, a convicted child murderer or a turkey.”
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
73 year old judge that’s been there since Clinton appointed him. I’m guessing an activist that Trump has been warning us about for years. Probably best for federal judges to keep their biases not so out in the open?Sinn Fein said:IOWA CITY, Iowa (AP) — A federal judge in Iowa who has warned against political corruption is ridiculing President Donald Trump’s pardons, including those issued to convicted Republican campaign operatives and former members of Congress.
“It’s not surprising that a criminal like Trump pardons other criminals,” senior U.S. District Judge Robert Pratt of the Southern District of Iowa told The Associated Press in a brief phone interview Monday. In a bit of humor, he said: “But apparently to get a pardon, one has to be either a Republican, a convicted child murderer or a turkey.”
The Z Machine
Footballguy
Sea Duck
Footballguy
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/statement-press-secretary-regarding-executive-grants-clemency-012021/
Short list -- 73 pardons, 70 commutations.
Short list -- 73 pardons, 70 commutations.
FairWarning
Footballguy
Brian Urlacher's brother got pardoned also.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
Why does Anthony Lewandowski deserve a pardon for being a liar and a cheat? Anyway, he won't work in tech again. No one would hire him or back him.
dawgtrails
Footballguy
I agree with this take
Josh Barro
@jbarro
The corruption pardons are actually worse because Trump also gave them to people who aren’t his friends. What emotional investment does he have in Kwame Kilpatrick or Rick Renzi? They only make sense as a general statement that corruption is good.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
So Obama's pardons made a general statement that drug offenses are good? You guys are never ending with your twists on everything
dawgtrails
Footballguy
He made a general statement that non violent pot arrests are ridiculous. No twist needed
BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
Paybacks are Hell, City of Detroit...Trump done set him up for a come back!!!
Actually it doesn't really hurt the City of Detroit other than he's out and wont be paying back his $11.2 million bill to the City and others he owes. He's broke. Poor guy only had 96 cents in his commissary account in prison.
Sounds like he will be relocating to ATL where his Mom lives in her new $350k home. GA is perfect for him. He'll be either ATL Mayor or the GA Governor very soon.
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The Z Machine
Footballguy
He better be friends with Stacey Abrams. She's the political power broker in ATL and GA and has been for a while.
BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
dawgtrails
Footballguy
BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
whoknew
Footballguy
I think this was an interesting series of posts from @popehat. To be clear - its not about Trump but about Presidential pardons in general.
"I must respectfully differ from @jacobsollum’s take. Bread is good, but that doesn’t mean bread and circuses are good. The President’s pardon power gives you a substantial chance of your sentence being reduced or wiped out – if you were a famous politician, rich and famous businessperson, or prominent political operative. For everyone else, it’s like playing the lottery.
Is it good that the specific people Jacob mention received mercy? Yes. But how do we view that mercy? It’s not systematic or consistent. It’s a miniscule percentage of similarly situated people unjustly confined. They won the lottery. The Presidential pardon of a handful of deserving poor people resembles the (possibly made up) Paschal Pardon described in the Bible – the ritual, symbolic, occasion-commemorating pardon of someone, a religious/cultural gesture.The way that deserving people get struck by this particularly lightning – by the intercession of saint-like, otherworldly celebrities – merely reinforces this comparison.
The problem is that the Presidential pardon is a symbolic, quasi-religious gesture of mercy toward the downtrodden designed to keep us complacent about the other 99.999% of them. It’s The problem is that the Presidential pardon is a symbolic, quasi-religious gesture of mercy toward the downtrodden designed to keep us complacent about the 99.99999% of the rest. It’s the sovereign raining generosity on one lucky wretched person to placate all. So I dissent that the Presidential pardon, at least as used in recent memory, is praiseworthy when it vastly disproportionately helps the powerful and helps an infinitesimal percentage of the deserving in an attempt to make us forget the rest."
"I must respectfully differ from @jacobsollum’s take. Bread is good, but that doesn’t mean bread and circuses are good. The President’s pardon power gives you a substantial chance of your sentence being reduced or wiped out – if you were a famous politician, rich and famous businessperson, or prominent political operative. For everyone else, it’s like playing the lottery.
Is it good that the specific people Jacob mention received mercy? Yes. But how do we view that mercy? It’s not systematic or consistent. It’s a miniscule percentage of similarly situated people unjustly confined. They won the lottery. The Presidential pardon of a handful of deserving poor people resembles the (possibly made up) Paschal Pardon described in the Bible – the ritual, symbolic, occasion-commemorating pardon of someone, a religious/cultural gesture.The way that deserving people get struck by this particularly lightning – by the intercession of saint-like, otherworldly celebrities – merely reinforces this comparison.
The problem is that the Presidential pardon is a symbolic, quasi-religious gesture of mercy toward the downtrodden designed to keep us complacent about the other 99.999% of them. It’s The problem is that the Presidential pardon is a symbolic, quasi-religious gesture of mercy toward the downtrodden designed to keep us complacent about the 99.99999% of the rest. It’s the sovereign raining generosity on one lucky wretched person to placate all. So I dissent that the Presidential pardon, at least as used in recent memory, is praiseworthy when it vastly disproportionately helps the powerful and helps an infinitesimal percentage of the deserving in an attempt to make us forget the rest."
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