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"Truth isn't truth" - Is "1984" Trump's Playbook? (1 Viewer)

From my reading, which is limited by admission, in addition to chap labor we wanted populations to be marketed and sold to within our own borders.  We wanted to occupy and make productive our vast tracts of land.
I think the vast tracts of land argument applied a bit earlier in the 19th century. By 1890 the frontier was closed, though homesteading did continue on a limited basis (up until very recently in the case of Alaska).  Mostly, the Irish especially were treated poorly and hardly made enough to be a "market." The English and Germans seem to have been treated better, but that's just from what I've read too.

 
I think the vast tracts of land argument applied a bit earlier in the 19th century. By 1890 the frontier was closed, though homesteading did continue on a limited basis (up until very recently in the case of Alaska).  Mostly, the Irish especially were treated poorly and hardly made enough to be a "market." The English and Germans seem to have been treated better, but that's just from what I've read too.
I was taught that the Oklahoma land rush occurred in 1889.  I may be remembering that incorrectly.  My bad.  As I age I sometimes misremember things I thought were clearly remembered.

 
Why? Do you own farming land in California?
me, no.  Someone does though.  I know there are still farmers out there and they have fruit that needs picking.  I also know right now that in my area, construction is booming and they are having a hard time finding labor, especially with our low unemployment rate.

Besides - when has any businessman ever said that they don't want cheap labor? 

 
me, no.  Someone does though.  I know there are still farmers out there and they have fruit that needs picking.  I also know right now that in my area, construction is booming and they are having a hard time finding labor, especially with our low unemployment rate.

Besides - when has any businessman ever said that they don't want cheap labor? 
Well, I won't compare the statement to cotton needs picking, but from what I have seen from a brief time living in the Camarillo Hills, that life is barely above indentured servant status. Canada has a much better temporary worker program than we do. I wish we would emulate it.

 
Well, I won't compare the statement to cotton needs picking, but from what I have seen from a brief time living in the Camarillo Hills, that life is barely above indentured servant status. Canada has a much better temporary worker program than we do. I wish we would emulate it.
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I was taught that the Oklahoma land rush occurred in 1889.  I may be remembering that incorrectly.  My bad.  As I age I sometimes misremember things I thought were clearly remembered.
You remember correctly. The frontier was shut down the following year because someone determined that there was more than 2 people per square mile in the country then.

 
I don't recognize @bueno but I like him. He is owning you guys in every thread.
He is bombarding every thread with some rather poor arguments and bad analogies while using cutesy nicknames like Sandinista Lisa. That is hardly in the category of owning, seems more along the lines of trolling to me.

 
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This point was raised by apalmer in The Trump Years thread but I think it deserves its own thread.

This morning on Meet the Press Rudi Giuliani had this exchange with Chuck Todd:
 

This is about as Orwellian as it gets and continues a disturbing trend that we have been seeing from Trump and his representatives. Just last month Trump said,
 

Do his supporters ever question statements like this, or do they just nod their heads in approval? The now regular use of this type of language is quite disturbing.

What are your thoughts.
Rudy has no style....should have hit back with

"It's not what you know....it's what you can prove." 

                                                        - Alonzo Harris -

 
He is bombarding every thread with some rather poor arguments and bad analogies while using cutesy nicknames like Sandinista Lisa. That is hardly in the category of owning, seems more along the lines of trolling to me.
You know what's worse?  When somebody bombards every thread with random stuff they copied from Twitter. 

 
:lmao:  at the drama queen calling out posters for spamming the board.  If only they would implement a way to ignore replies to posters I’d never have to read his garbage ever again.

 
Guess I learned something from reading this thread - we only let immigrants in when we need cheap labor.  I thought it was for the good of the immigrant, not the economy.

 
Guess I learned something from reading this thread - we only let immigrants in when we need cheap labor.  I thought it was for the good of the immigrant, not the economy.
Both and it can be interrelated, from the WaPo:

Trump changed a seasonal worker program. Now, Maryland's crab houses are losing business, saying they can't find locals to replace seasonal Mexican workers. "What future's gonna be here if we don't know if we're gonna get our workers?"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/local/wp/2018/08/17/feature/trump-changed-a-seasonal-worker-program-now-marylands-crab-houses-are-losing-business/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.5cd86a82f09f&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1

 
In a Tweet this morning, Trump said that the entire Lester Holt's unedited interview (that was posted online) where he admits firing Comey over "that Russia thing" is fake news.

Donald J. Trump‏ @realDonaldTrump 2h2 hours ago

What’s going on at @CNN is happening, to different degrees, at other networks - with @NBCNews being the worst. The good news is that Andy Lack(y) is about to be fired(?) for incompetence, and much worse. When Lester Holt got caught fudging my tape on Russia, they were hurt badly!


Who you gonna believe, me or your lying eyes?

 
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In a Tweet this morning, Trump said that the entire Lester Holt's unedited interview (that was posted online) where he admits firing Comey over "that Russia thing" is fake news.

Who you gonna believe, me or your lying eyes?
Sounds like someone's a little worried about an obstruction of justice issue.

 

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