Trying for Consensus RE:Inner City Issues (1 Viewer)

[bueno]

Sorry for the hijack, but isn't there a major problem with civil war, warlords, children soldiers, AIDS epidemic, rape culture etc in that region? Hell, has Joseph Kony been caught yet?

It's a tribal thing.

 

[bueno]

hey, old friend - good to see you here, back to stirring the drink. you had more or less stopped posting before i went off the grid and it's good to have conservatives who are more than wakkyakkers to knock it around with. did the cartels chase you out of Mexico?

Long story old friend. Some health issues, some burn-out. Some "needed more time to rebuild my financial situation after the second crash (saw the first one and got out, but got back in too quickly). Some - sick of the trolls.  But I'm back.Maybe not as big an #######, but still willing to debate..

 

[wikkidpissah]

Long story old friend. Some health issues, some burn-out. Some "needed more time to rebuild my financial situation after the second crash (saw the first one and got out, but got back in too quickly). Some - sick of the trolls.  But I'm back.Maybe not as big an #######, but still willing to debate..

 

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Some very interesting perspectives in here.... refreshing reads.

Nice work so far, FFA. 

 

[ffldrew]

Sure there have been are are still obstacles, but there have also been tons of (tax) money pumped into education, public assistance, community programs over the decades, right? At what point does behavior begin to change?

It has changed...millions of African Americans are assimilating into a integrated society. They have received good educations through these programs and changes to college enrollments and the elimination of segregation...they just moved out of the inner city because it is bad and sadly we have left behind the generations that didn't take advantage properly - so it looks like nothing has changed. But in reality this  is only the 1st/2nd generation to use these advantages/help. Think about the time that has passed - only 40/50 years since any real changes started to take effect. It will take some time and gentrification. The real problem is the "inner city" as we know it as a problem child is going away and they are getting smaller. Gentrification is taking over in most major cities and the poor in the inner city will be displaced to the suburbs - the inner ring cores that were created in the 60's/70s. I'm hoping that as the issues plaguing the inner city move out we take that as a signal to keep working on it. I'm fine with throwing more money at education - it beats the alternatives - and eventually the number of residents there are no longer staying behind.

 

[fdas2]

Please be respectful and constructive in here  

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In other words, it's perfectly justified to have the opinion that @[icon] posted above.

Yeah, while certain traits SEEM to be more pervasive among certain races, at the end of the day we are all humans faced with daily choices of how we wish to conduct ourselves and what we wish to do to advance our plot in life. 

Its inescapable that some people start higher on the ladder than others, and it's also true that certain races are predisposed to certain heights to start. However there is still a ladder there, and it may be harder for some than others... That doesn't absolve you from the responsibility to make decisions that improve your position as well as that of your offspring, and (if you choose to identify collectively with your race), your race. 

In the end you're not obligated to climb the ladder… But you lose the right to ##### about your place on it if you don't even try.

I include repeatedly making poor life choices in the "not even trying" category. If I am genetically predisposed to alcholism, or raised in an environment with rampant drinking as a child... I don't get to use that excuse if I get pulled over for a DUI. 

 

[Gawain]

Just going to leave this here.

Two suspects have been charged with killing a Good Samaritan who'd stop to help them on the side of the road.

 

[Chaka]

Except it assumes every white person has an advantage over every black person...which isn't true.  A poor white kid maybe raised by a single mother is going to be facing a number but not all of the same disadvantages the an average minority faces. 

 

[mr roboto]

Well the poll results show there's no consensus - very spread out. 

@TobiasFunke I appreciate your strong stance and willingness to state it well and respectfully. How does your view handle things like the riots in Milwaukee, looting, black on black violence and other more self-inflicted issues?  

 

[TobiasFunke]

Well the poll results show there's no consensus - very spread out. 

@TobiasFunke I appreciate your strong stance and willingness to state it well and respectfully. How does your view handle things like the riots in Milwaukee, looting, black on black violence and other more self-inflicted issues?  

The same as anything else- they're products of a longstanding culture of injustice and repression and I see zero reason to believe that any other race or ethnicity would have reacted differently if presented with the exact set of circumstances endured by black people in America over the last 400 years.

And I'll add that suggesting that black-on-black violence is "their" problem and is "self-inflicted" in the first place is just more evidence of the continued repression and double standards. Nobody talks about "white on white violence" or what you and I are doing to stop it.  Nobody asks why you and I (assuming you're a white male here) aren't doing more to stem crimes that are disproportionately committed by white people, like drunk driving or vandalism or for that matter serial killers, or why we're not doing more to stem crimes that are disproportionately committed by men, like pretty much all of them, or why we're not doing more stem the frightening rise of ultra-nationalism that is on the fringes of the Trump movement  With those things it's always about the individuals doing wrong who are the problem- we might do things to try to address those things, but we're never held accountable by other groups when those efforts fail. It's only black people who are expected to be accountable "their people" simply because they share a skin color.  Why is that?

 

[EYLive]

People of all races loot (for example). People of all races also choose not to loot.

So I don't think that it's a product of a longstanding culture of injustice and repression, it's a lack of morals, values and standards that is a commonality among looters, not race. The fact that a portion of these looters are black just leads me to believe that it's not culture and injustice. It's a personal choice based on morals, values and standards, and a choice to commit illegal acts.

You can't keep blaming a culture of injustice and repression, when you know full well what's right and wrong.

Do you know what's unjust? Looting a store. Do you know who gets repressed? Criminals. 

 

[kface]

How quickly everyone forgets about Stanley cup riots or whatever...

 

[kface]

People of all races loot (for example). People of all races also choose not to loot.

So I don't think that it's a product of a longstanding culture of injustice and repression, it's a lack of morals, values and standards that is a commonality among looters, not race. The fact that a portion of these looters are black just leads me to believe that it's not culture and injustice. It's a personal choice based on morals, values and standards, and a choice to commit illegal acts.

You can't keep blaming a culture of injustice and repression, when you know full well what's right and wrong.

Do you know what's unjust? Looting a store. Do you know who gets repressed? Criminals. 

Again if you had a basic understanding of brain science you can in fact very much blame a culture of injustice and repression.

 

[wikkidpissah]

Pretty sure looting was an absentee ownership issue when it began.