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Rayderr

Rayderr

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So for those of you who don't know the back story, my job is currently set to disappear at the end of March (might last longer, might not.) Been looking Since September when shut down was first announced.

In September I applied for an engineer position. It was a bit beyond my scope, but I had a lot of the qualifications and figured they would just file my resume for a more suitable position. Surprisingly, they set up a phone interview for a couple days later. Then a month later actually brought me in for an in person interview.

Never heard anything after that. To this date, that job is still open. Fine that I didn't get it, like I said it was slightly out of my element (though humorous and insulting at the same time that outside recruiters keep contacting me about that job)

Now, late December (the Friday before Xmas) they list a job for a technician, which is right up my alley. Completely qualified for it, honestly, they'd be hard pressed to find someone with more experience, and it's a good company I'd like to work for. The company's recruiter calls me up and talks with me a bit, about salary requirements and when I interviewed for the engineer position. Says she'll send my resume over to the onsite hiring manager (the same person I interviewed with for engineer) and I'll get an email back.

Well, never got anything back. Gave it some time because it was right before the holidays. So 2 weeks ago, I called the recruiter. No decision has been made, but she will talk to hiring manager and send me an email. Still nothing. And they just listed the job again.

So here's the question. I know the hiring manager's email as we did exchange some emails setting up for the engineer interview. Do I contact him directly? or just keep playing the waiting game?

 
Rayderr said:
So for those of you who don't know the back story, my job is currently set to disappear at the end of March (might last longer, might not.) Been looking Since September when shut down was first announced.

In September I applied for an engineer position. It was a bit beyond my scope, but I had a lot of the qualifications and figured they would just file my resume for a more suitable position. Surprisingly, they set up a phone interview for a couple days later. Then a month later actually brought me in for an in person interview.

Never heard anything after that. To this date, that job is still open. Fine that I didn't get it, like I said it was slightly out of my element (though humorous and insulting at the same time that outside recruiters keep contacting me about that job)

Now, late December (the Friday before Xmas) they list a job for a technician, which is right up my alley. Completely qualified for it, honestly, they'd be hard pressed to find someone with more experience, and it's a good company I'd like to work for. The company's recruiter calls me up and talks with me a bit, about salary requirements and when I interviewed for the engineer position. Says she'll send my resume over to the onsite hiring manager (the same person I interviewed with for engineer) and I'll get an email back.

Well, never got anything back. Gave it some time because it was right before the holidays. So 2 weeks ago, I called the recruiter. No decision has been made, but she will talk to hiring manager and send me an email. Still nothing. And they just listed the job again.

So here's the question. I know the hiring manager's email as we did exchange some emails setting up for the engineer interview. Do I contact him directly? or just keep playing the waiting game?
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id contact him directly what does it hurt

 
VA703 said:
Rayderr said:
So for those of you who don't know the back story, my job is currently set to disappear at the end of March (might last longer, might not.) Been looking Since September when shut down was first announced.

In September I applied for an engineer position. It was a bit beyond my scope, but I had a lot of the qualifications and figured they would just file my resume for a more suitable position. Surprisingly, they set up a phone interview for a couple days later. Then a month later actually brought me in for an in person interview.

Never heard anything after that. To this date, that job is still open. Fine that I didn't get it, like I said it was slightly out of my element (though humorous and insulting at the same time that outside recruiters keep contacting me about that job)

Now, late December (the Friday before Xmas) they list a job for a technician, which is right up my alley. Completely qualified for it, honestly, they'd be hard pressed to find someone with more experience, and it's a good company I'd like to work for. The company's recruiter calls me up and talks with me a bit, about salary requirements and when I interviewed for the engineer position. Says she'll send my resume over to the onsite hiring manager (the same person I interviewed with for engineer) and I'll get an email back.

Well, never got anything back. Gave it some time because it was right before the holidays. So 2 weeks ago, I called the recruiter. No decision has been made, but she will talk to hiring manager and send me an email. Still nothing. And they just listed the job again.

So here's the question. I know the hiring manager's email as we did exchange some emails setting up for the engineer interview. Do I contact him directly? or just keep playing the waiting game?
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id contact him directly what does it hurt
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So, this is where I gotta ask, what exactly do I say? Do I bring up that I know he'd rather the engineer position sit vacant for 4 months rather than hire me?

 
Here is where you are ####ed at this particular company... You interviewed for something beyond your capabilities. Being that you were beyond your scope, it might not have been the best interview. The interviewer has decided he has seen enough to judge both positions and doesn't feel the need to bring you in for this other opportunity. IMO, you're prob a long-shot at this company.

With that being said, the good news is you have two months to search. Hopefully you are contacting every recruiter/employer in your area and will find something over that time period.

Good luck!

 
fantasycurse42 said:
Here is where you are ####ed at this particular company... You interviewed for something beyond your capabilities. Being that you were beyond your scope, it might not have been the best interview. The interviewer has decided he has seen enough to judge both positions and doesn't feel the need to bring you in for this other opportunity. IMO, you're prob a long-shot at this company.

With that being said, the good news is you have two months to search. Hopefully you are contacting every recruiter/employer in your area and will find something over that time period.

Good luck!
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If so, surely there's a way to get un####ed.

 
Id email the guy. Tell him that you knew you were in a bit over your head when you interviewed for the eingineer position but this technician spot is where you are really comfortable. Ask him if he's willing to talk to you about the position. Worst case, he ignores the email.

 
Rayderr said:
If so, surely there's a way to get un####ed.
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Cjw_55106 said:
Id email the guy. Tell him that you knew you were in a bit over your head when you interviewed for the eingineer position but this technician spot is where you are really comfortable. Ask him if he's willing to talk to you about the position. Worst case, he ignores the email.
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I think this is your best shot... Worst case he doesn't respond and you are in the exact same position you are in now.

ETA: I wouldn't say a bit over your head... I'd add some fluff to it, like "I thought I may be a good fit for this position based off of my experience yada yada yada, but I know this other position available is exactly what I have been doing for X years"

 
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Rayderr said:
VA703 said:
id contact him directly what does it hurt
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So, this is where I gotta ask, what exactly do I say? Do I bring up that I know he'd rather the engineer position sit vacant for 4 months rather than hire me?
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I would say something along the lines that you understand that they are working with different staffing priorities and ask what their anticipated timeline is. You could also suggest that although you would still like to remain in consideration for the first--this one actually mirrors your experience even more perfectly.

eta I'd be going in from the positive approach rather than admitting to any shortcomings for the first opening. Their own listed requirements for that prior opening may be optimistic.

 
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Cjw_55106 said:
Id email the guy. Tell him that you knew you were in a bit over your head when you interviewed for the eingineer position but this technician spot is where you are really comfortable. Ask him if he's willing to talk to you about the position. Worst case, he ignores the email.
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That is definitely the right tone. Tell him you understand you were not a good fit for the engineering position, but that this position is a perfect fit and ask him for an interview for this position.

 
Cjw_55106 said:
Id email the guy. Tell him that you knew you were in a bit over your head when you interviewed for the eingineer position but this technician spot is where you are really comfortable. Ask him if he's willing to talk to you about the position. Worst case, he ignores the email.
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Nothing wrong with this advice

 
Is it possible/how possible is it to frame the "not fully qualified for the last job" as knowledge that came out of the last interview? Is that plausible?

 
How ironic is it that most of us now walk around with phones in our pockets, yet rarely call anyone anymore for this sort of thing?...

 
glock said:
How ironic is it that most of us now walk around with phones in our pockets, yet rarely call anyone anymore for this sort of thing?...
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I hear ya, but given that I'm not the best talker, email works better, plus I don't have to worry about playing phone tag and such.

 
Rayderr said:
shadyridr said:
It sounds like you bombed the interview for the other job. Id move on.
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Entirely possible. I've never thought I interview well. Talking isn't my strong suit
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nobody is good at it. You have to practice like youre studying for an exam. Go over questions they are gonna ask you and practice your responses. Spin everything positive. When i was out of work i worked with a coach. Yeah it sucks but ya gotta do what ya gotta do.
 
glumpy said:
Rayderr said:
VA703 said:
id contact him directly what does it hurt
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So, this is where I gotta ask, what exactly do I say? Do I bring up that I know he'd rather the engineer position sit vacant for 4 months rather than hire me?
Click to expand...
I would say something along the lines that you understand that they are working with different staffing priorities and ask what their anticipated timeline is. You could also suggest that although you would still like to remain in consideration for the first--this one actually mirrors your experience even more perfectly.

eta I'd be going in from the positive approach rather than admitting to any shortcomings for the first opening. Their own listed requirements for that prior opening may be optimistic.
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I like this approach. Plus if your name keeps coming up just enough for them to notice, it will indicate a level of interest that may be a tie-breaker against a similar candidate.

 
It's tough trying to figure out what companies are thinking. Sometimes they list jobs they don't plan on filling, plan on filling internally, plan on giving to the bosses friend, can't afford to hire, collecting resumes, etc.

The waiting game can be just as frustrating. I once got an offer after not hearing anything for 2-3 weeks after an in person interview.

 
I don't think it's your interviewing skills. They invited you in for a face to face interview after a phone interview. I think that's the problem. They don't like your face. At all.

 
Rayderr said:
So for those of you who don't know the back story, my job is currently set to disappear at the end of March (might last longer, might not.) Been looking Since September when shut down was first announced.

In September I applied for an engineer position. It was a bit beyond my scope, but I had a lot of the qualifications and figured they would just file my resume for a more suitable position. Surprisingly, they set up a phone interview for a couple days later. Then a month later actually brought me in for an in person interview.

Never heard anything after that. To this date, that job is still open. Fine that I didn't get it, like I said it was slightly out of my element (though humorous and insulting at the same time that outside recruiters keep contacting me about that job)

Now, late December (the Friday before Xmas) they list a job for a technician, which is right up my alley. Completely qualified for it, honestly, they'd be hard pressed to find someone with more experience, and it's a good company I'd like to work for. The company's recruiter calls me up and talks with me a bit, about salary requirements and when I interviewed for the engineer position. Says she'll send my resume over to the onsite hiring manager (the same person I interviewed with for engineer) and I'll get an email back.

Well, never got anything back. Gave it some time because it was right before the holidays. So 2 weeks ago, I called the recruiter. No decision has been made, but she will talk to hiring manager and send me an email. Still nothing. And they just listed the job again.

So here's the question. I know the hiring manager's email as we did exchange some emails setting up for the engineer interview. Do I contact him directly? or just keep playing the waiting game?
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At this point I don't think you have anything to lose. I'd contact him directly.

 
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