Turner and Tomlinson (1 Viewer)

[angman]

I have the number 1 pick this year in our 12 team redraft league and obviously will be taking Tomlinson. This post is about the value of handuffing.

My question to everyone is where do you take Micheal Turner. Here's my thinking right now:

In many of the mock drafts that I've done, Turner starts to go around pick 9.01 or later. I have seen him go earlier and I have seen him go in round 11 or so. Because of these trends, I'm starting to think that I'll have to take Turner at either pick 8.12/9.01. There's going to be some other good players at those picks as well, so I'm debating whether I let Turner slide and run the risk of not handcuffing LT, or do I pass up taking a pretty good player for depth to take Turner.

So would you take Turner at 8.12/9.01, or would you take the best player available?

 

[fsufan]

i would wait and see if i could get him in the last round. if someone else drafts him before that they will just be hoping LT gets hurt.

 

[I'm Rick James]

I also have the 1st pick in a 12-team redraft. However, I've been in this league for more than 10 years, and know the people in it very well. I can't see them taking a back-up -- even for a star like LT until at least round 11 most likely 12 or later.

I'll probably grab Turner in Round 11.

Mini-Hijack -- who you like at the turn? I want to get a RB to pair with LT at the 2-3 round turn.

I have a feeling it will go RB heavy. Hoping an Edge makes it there. Or Ronnie Brown. But I doubt it. I'm nervous about Benson -- not sure if he can stay healthy and don't want that risk. I might reach for Thomas Jones there. Not sure if I want to reach for Deuce or D. Williams either.

Otherwise if I grab top WR's or top WR and Gates at 2-3, the RB situation at round 4-5 is scary. I don't think anyone -- not even an Ahman Green will slide that far. Just junk at RB when you get there.

 

[Pitch12]

Take him in a round where you dont have much interest in anyone else. There's always a time in those middle rounds where you look at whose left and go "Wow, I dont want any of these guys". That is the time you take him.

 

[angman]

Rick James at the China Club,

Our league starts 2QBs 3 WRS, 2RBs, TE, Flex, 2 DEF and a Kicker. Our scoring is a little different as well. Of the top 25 scorers last year, 10 were RBs, 8 WRs and 7 QBs. So our league doesn't go as RB heavy since a lot of QBs start going in Round 2 (since we need 2 of those). Because of this, my advice here might be a little off of what your league is like.

Two of the last 3 years I've gone WR/WR at the turn and then was able to take a RB in the 4th. Last year, I went LT/Harrison/Owens/Roy Williams/QB and was able to trade TO for a RB before the season starts.

In terms of this year, I'll probably be looking for a Thomas Jones, Benson, McGahee, R. Brown or Edge (not in that order) to be there. If they're not htere, then i'm looking at 2 WRs or 1 WR and one of the elite QBs (Brees, Palmer, Brady, Bulger), or even WR and Gates too.

Hope that helps out a bit.

 

[greggorymac]

The real question is, if Tomlinson were to go down what do you think Turner's production would be? Do you think Turner could put up at least 80% of Tomlinson's production if he had the job solely? If you think you could insert Turner and the SD offense wouldn't miss a beat, then I say a 8th/9th round pick is very justifiable (almost a steal). You would basically be insuring Tomlinson-like production at that one RB position throughout the season (much like the old KC Priest/LJ arguement).

I on the other hand think it's more Tomlinson than the system and if Turner were to come in, he would be a very marginal RB2, because the dynamic of the offense would then be much different.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

I'm torn on this question.

On one hand, Turner is bar none the best backup in the league. No backup has a better situation and more talent to capitalize on becoming the starter if the guy ahead of him went down with a catastrophic injury.

On the other hand, LT is tough as nails. The groin and rib injuries that slowed him in 2004 and 2005 would have sidelined most backs. So you are basically hedging against LT suffering a major injury. I have no idea how to gauge the chances of that, but its gotta be <10%.

I guess that when you look at the players available at 8.12, and the harsh reality that a serious injury to LT would probably end your title hopes if you didnt have Turner (unless you NAILED the rest of the draft), I'd probably do the safe, but unexciting thing and take Turner at the 8/9 turn.

 

[Mystery Achiever]

I would take best player available. but then i do not handcuff players. and i did have lt on two teams last year.

 

[ookook]

I would look for him in the 10th round. If he goes before, that is fine.

 

[angman]

I think it is probably more Tomlinson than the system in San Diego, but like Sig says, Turner is the best backup in the league in a very good offence. The Chargers O-Line is one of the best in the league and they have weapons all over. I think Turner could put up very good RB1 numbers should LT go down.

This also factors into my thinking here too, I've won my league 3 straight years, and there are some guys in our league not too thrilled with that. I know how they think and I can see them taking a backup RB to try to weaken my team a little instead of helping their own team. Needless to say I've got a bit of a target on my back, but that comes with the territory.

I mean I could try to wait it out and get lucky by taking Turner in Round 10/11. There are a lot of players that I'd love to take fliers on at that Round 8/9 turn.

Thanks for the input guys, it's never too early to start getting ready for draft day.

 

[ImTheScientist]

I would take best player available. but then i do not handcuff players. and i did have lt on two teams last year.

Handcuffing is a waste of a pick

 

[-OZ-]

9.01 seems a good place to take him. Your team is basically set at that point, and you're adding depth.

Just out of curiousity, where do you see Ladell Betts getting drafted? Similar, except there's more of a chance of him seeing significant time on the field.

 

[gianmarco]

I would take best player available. but then i do not handcuff players. and i did have lt on two teams last year.

Handcuffing is a waste of a pick

Agreed. I'm of the thinking that if the worst case scenario happens, then a handcuff isn't likely to take me all the way. Isn't that what we're here for? Yeah, Turner will get you by, but even being the best backup and coming into a great situation, Michael Turner will not win a championship for you if LT goes. Winning championships should be the reason we do this, not just getting 2nd or 3rd or the playoffs.When you waste an early pick (and yes 8th and 9th round are still early picks), you are taking away starters for bench players. You're better off taking a decent #3 RB that has more value than simply a backup. If LT goes down, you still have that insurance. And you haven't wasted a later pick on a non-starting player.Now, of course, if the price is cheap on your handcuff, then absolutely take him. But I never draft a player with the intent on having to waste 2 picks in order to have him. If that's the case, trade down and take SJ or Gore and get their backup for considerably cheaper.As you can see, I'm pretty against handcuffing. And yes, I've been bitten before and just sucked it up and went at it again the next year. Whenever you end up with that #1 pick and get LT, you're stuck with having the last 2nd round pick and usually rely pretty heavily on LT. Turner will never fix that. He's not LT.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Yeah, Turner will get you by, but even being the best backup and coming into a great situation, Michael Turner will not win a championship for you if LT goes (down).

I respectfully disagree. As a poster said above, if LT goes down, Turner will be an RB1. Book it. If LT goes down, a disproportionate percentage of league winners will be teams that own Turner.

 

[Dirty Weasel]

I haven't seen the most important question asked yet - is this a redraft or keeper/dynasty league? If it's a redraft, I would wait and hope to get him at 10.12. But if it's a keeper league, he is worth more. In a keeper, he likely won't be there for you at 8.12, because he holds value on his own for 2008.

 

[BringItOn]

I haven't seen the most important question asked yet - is this a redraft or keeper/dynasty league? If it's a redraft, I would wait and hope to get him at 10.12. But if it's a keeper league, he is worth more. In a keeper, he likely won't be there for you at 8.12, because he holds value on his own for 2008.

this is very true.. I believe the original post did indicate that it was a redraft... so as others have said, somehwere around the 8/9 turn would be appropriate. In a keeper league, though, it's a different story. Someone would almost certainly take him much earlier than that with his Free Agency status a possibility. Being an LT2 owner in a 12 team keeper league, I plan on making Turner one of my keepers, not only because of the handcuff/keeper value, but his salary as well. I have him at $1 currently, but if I were to let him go, A. Someone would draft him out from under me, as has happened in the past, and B. His salary would adjust to market value- closer to the $10-$12 range, a tough cap number for my team to absorb for a backup.

 

[BigRed]

I haven't seen the most important question asked yet - is this a redraft or keeper/dynasty league? If it's a redraft, I would wait and hope to get him at 10.12. But if it's a keeper league, he is worth more. In a keeper, he likely won't be there for you at 8.12, because he holds value on his own for 2008.

He said redraft in the 1st post.I've seen anywhere from round 8-12 or so in most mocks. Personally I'd lean to the latter few rounds and definitely not more than RB4, and only then if I had LT. I'd rather spend a pick on a guy who IS starting vs a guy who probably never will but will only get a few token carries here and there.

 

[Dirty Weasel]

I haven't seen the most important question asked yet - is this a redraft or keeper/dynasty league? If it's a redraft, I would wait and hope to get him at 10.12. But if it's a keeper league, he is worth more. In a keeper, he likely won't be there for you at 8.12, because he holds value on his own for 2008.

He said redraft in the 1st post.I've seen anywhere from round 8-12 or so in most mocks. Personally I'd lean to the latter few rounds and definitely not more than RB4, and only then if I had LT. I'd rather spend a pick on a guy who IS starting vs a guy who probably never will but will only get a few token carries here and there.

Sorry, I missed the part where the OP said redraft. In this case, wait til the 10/11 turn at the earliest. The 8/9 turn is too early for a player you are 100% sure will never make a splash in FF without an injury to a workhorse who has missed a grand total of ZERO games due to injury in 6 years. The only game he didn't play was week 16 in 2004, when SD had already clinched. LT has no injury history, except for some small things that he played through. Taking Turner in a redraft is like buying insurance for a car that never leaves your driveway.

 

[-OZ-]

Yeah, Turner will get you by, but even being the best backup and coming into a great situation, Michael Turner will not win a championship for you if LT goes (down).

I respectfully disagree. As a poster said above, if LT goes down, Turner will be an RB1. Book it. If LT goes down, a disproportionate percentage of league winners will be teams that own Turner.

If it's the non-LT owner, I agree. Imagine SJax and Turner, if Turner were starting in San Diego.If it's the LT owner, I don't think this will hold true. Turner would not be my 1.01 if LT were out before the draft.

 

[gianmarco]

Yeah, Turner will get you by, but even being the best backup and coming into a great situation, Michael Turner will not win a championship for you if LT goes (down).

I respectfully disagree. As a poster said above, if LT goes down, Turner will be an RB1. Book it. If LT goes down, a disproportionate percentage of league winners will be teams that own Turner.

If it's the non-LT owner, I agree. Imagine SJax and Turner, if Turner were starting in San Diego.If it's the LT owner, I don't think this will hold true. Turner would not be my 1.01 if LT were out before the draft.

That's my point.

 

[NEUPJ]

2005 Larry Johnson disagrees with this thread.

 

[benbadman]

In '05 i took LJ with the 42nd pick (6.02 in 8man) to handcuff my Priest Holmes pick. That worked out pretty well. LJ in '04 and Turner in '06 had similar yardage numbers, but of course LJ had 9 tds and three 100yd games in December to Turner's 2td. Still I see many similarities here.

As for 2007 handcuffs:

If u take Portis,

-- grab Betts in round 6 or 7

If u take LT

-- grab Turner in round 7 to 9 (I'd lean more towards rd7, u want the best life insurance possible for the CEO of your fantasy team)

If u take Thomas Jones as a RB2 or RB3

-- grab Leon Washington in round 10 or 11

As far as other quality RB1s going, I'd say for Westbrook owners, Buckhalter in rd12+; Shaun Alexander guys grab Maurice Morris around there as well.

 

[-OZ-]

2005 Larry Johnson disagrees with this thread.

LJ was the player we all thought about when replying I think, but Priest had more concerns entering 2005 than LT does now. Plus, IMO LJ was a better fit for a better OL than Turner is. Although Turner could be top 10 in San Diego.

 

[lebowski]

2005 Larry Johnson disagrees with this thread.

If you are going to take fliers in round 8 or 9 why not take one on Turner...ESPECIALLY if you own LT. One thing that handcuffing depends on though is roster sizes. If your league has small rosters, handcuffing is a more costly venture compared to leagues that have larger rosters.

 

[gianmarco]

2005 Larry Johnson disagrees with this thread.

If you are going to take fliers in round 8 or 9 why not take one on Turner...ESPECIALLY if you own LT. One thing that handcuffing depends on though is roster sizes. If your league has small rosters, handcuffing is a more costly venture compared to leagues that have larger rosters.

Because round 8 or 9 isn't for fliers.

 

[Dirty Weasel]

If you could take CHI D at 9.1, or Turner, who do you take? For me, it's easy. CHI in redraft, by far. Anyone taking Turner early is either counting on an LT injury, betting on one, or hoping for one. LT is a specimen who hasn't missed a game due to injury HIS ENTIRE CAREER!

 

[nygiants56]

I have the number 1 pick this year in our 12 team redraft league and obviously will be taking Tomlinson. This post is about the value of handuffing. My question to everyone is where do you take Micheal Turner. Here's my thinking right now:In many of the mock drafts that I've done, Turner starts to go around pick 9.01 or later. I have seen him go earlier and I have seen him go in round 11 or so. Because of these trends, I'm starting to think that I'll have to take Turner at either pick 8.12/9.01. There's going to be some other good players at those picks as well, so I'm debating whether I let Turner slide and run the risk of not handcuffing LT, or do I pass up taking a pretty good player for depth to take Turner. So would you take Turner at 8.12/9.01, or would you take the best player available?

if you believe in the fantasy index magazine curse ( the mag's coverboy always gets injured), then I'd take Turner earlier than most.. .. I'm not a big curses guy, but the two biggest out there - Madden cover and fantasy index cover - NEVER seem to disappoint.. awitcheshatandablackCAT if you own LT, he's worth MUCH more to you than to the others, you'll have to reach for him at some point,early on. your fantasy team will not miss a beat,should LT unfortunately get hurt.and he's probably a great play against lousy run defenses. Most of the time, LT has 125 yards at halftime in those contests, and they just bring in Turner to wind the clock down in the second half.

 

[-OZ-]

if you own LT, he's worth MUCH more to you than to the others, you'll have to reach for him at some point,early on. your fantasy team will not miss a beat,should LT unfortunately get hurt.

I disagree on both of these points, but they seem to be the prevailing notion.1. If I don't have LT, I'm probably still looking to draft Turner in round 7 or so. Reason being, if LT goes down and I get to start my 1st round RB + Turner, I have a huge advantage over most other teams - basically I'm starting 2 1st round caliber RBs (I don't think Turner would be 1.01, but certainly a top 12 pick if LT was injured). In a redraft, I'm shooting for the fences on some of my picks, Turner is one of them. Turner isn't going to win the league for the LT owner, but he just might for a non-LT owner.2. Turner is NOT as good as LT, the team will miss a beat, it just wouldn't necessarily be catastrophic. If you're very lucky with your other picks.

 

[Pictus Cat]

I would not take my own backup. I load up on players late in the draft that could have the best value if something happens to somebody elses team. Midway, if I have a spot and I don't need to take more risks to get to the playoff/win championship, I might pick up Turner when the other guy that took him needs to get room for his bye weeks. Just my style.

 

[Synthesizer]

Every year guys draft "the handcuff" way too early. By week 6 or 7 the RB is usually back on the waiver wire. Enjoy all of those 2 point games Turner will get you.

 

[Follows Closely]

If you could take CHI D at 9.1, or Turner, who do you take? For me, it's easy. CHI in redraft, by far. Anyone taking Turner early is either counting on an LT injury, betting on one, or hoping for one. LT is a specimen who hasn't missed a game due to injury HIS ENTIRE CAREER!

I recall reading this same line about Alexander last year!

 

[lions327]

If you could take CHI D at 9.1, or Turner, who do you take? For me, it's easy. CHI in redraft, by far. Anyone taking Turner early is either counting on an LT injury, betting on one, or hoping for one. LT is a specimen who hasn't missed a game due to injury HIS ENTIRE CAREER!

I recall reading this same line about Alexander last year!

 

[Reaper]

if you own LT, he's worth MUCH more to you than to the others, you'll have to reach for him at some point,early on. your fantasy team will not miss a beat,should LT unfortunately get hurt.

I disagree on both of these points, but they seem to be the prevailing notion.1. If I don't have LT, I'm probably still looking to draft Turner in round 7 or so. Reason being, if LT goes down and I get to start my 1st round RB + Turner, I have a huge advantage over most other teams - basically I'm starting 2 1st round caliber RBs (I don't think Turner would be 1.01, but certainly a top 12 pick if LT was injured). In a redraft, I'm shooting for the fences on some of my picks, Turner is one of them. Turner isn't going to win the league for the LT owner, but he just might for a non-LT owner.

2. Turner is NOT as good as LT, the team will miss a beat, it just wouldn't necessarily be catastrophic. If you're very lucky with your other picks.

And in a Survivor format where you will probably get decent weeks anyway Or a Keeper league, his value is THAT much more..... In a 16 team SS league adjust that round 7 pick accordingly based on not having to worry about when to start him plus more teams...

Just my opinion but, if I'm calling plays for the Chargers, I'm giving a TON of carries to Turner to keep LT healthy Plus the fact hat next year I may not have that luxury....... Any game that gets out of hand should be all Turner's in the 4th qtr, that's just simple logic to me.....

I agree with the people who say you can't predict injuries..... BUT, Priest Holmes' injury 2 years ago was a freak of nature thing that can happen to anyone no matter what his recent past was. One tweak or pull of a muscle changes everything and past history of health means nothing when some LB flies at your knees. I'm NOT predicting injury but, I damn well know that there's chance that LT"s next play can be his last just like anyone else out on that field.

 

[GreenNGold]

You should draft Turner in the same spot regardless of whether or not you have LT already on your team or not. You should draft Turner when he provides more value to you than any other players available, and that point should be the same regardless of if you have LT or not.

 

[Buckle]

Off the bat, I would have to say 8th round to be safe. The production will be there if needed if LT should be limited.

BUT before making the pick OR if you are still working on your draft plan with LT in it, consider who is in your roster so far before making your Turner pick at Round 8.

If you are low on "startable" RB1 and RB2, you should probably grab Turner to be on the safe side. With a team like that up to that point, you should have some very decent stud WRs. That may be a draft plan to consider as well.

If you already have a couple of RBs (assuming 3 or 4 at that point), it might be better to take a pass on Turner till later until you shore up the rest of your roster.

 

[CravenM]

<geek>

IMO, if you

1) have LT

2) don't get Turner, and

3) LT misses a significant number of games

then you won't make the playoffs unless

1) there's a bunch of guppies in your league, or

2) you get incredibly lucky with a 3rd round RB like DeuceMc or Chris Brown

3) you get incredibly lucky with a 3rd, 4th and 5th round stud WR

</geek>

Not getting Turner at 9.01 will cost you sleepless nights. Deciding between the 8th and 9th best QB is basically gambling on 20 points throughout the season.

My advice would be to take Turner at 9.01. If someone takes him before that, smile and laugh at him/her because they are playing against the odds. Maybe take their backup RB at 9.01 in that case

Here's the draft order

LT, RB, WR, RB, WR, WR, WR, TE, MT, QB ...

 

[duaneok66]

<geek>IMO, if you1) have LT2) don't get Turner, and3) LT misses a significant number of gamesthen you won't make the playoffs unless1) there's a bunch of guppies in your league, or2) you get incredibly lucky with a 3rd round RB like DeuceMc or Chris Brown3) you get incredibly lucky with a 3rd, 4th and 5th round stud WR</geek>Not getting Turner at 9.01 will cost you sleepless nights. Deciding between the 8th and 9th best QB is basically gambling on 20 points throughout the season.My advice would be to take Turner at 9.01. If someone takes him before that, smile and laugh at him/her because they are playing against the odds. Maybe take their backup RB at 9.01 in that case Here's the draft orderLT, RB, WR, RB, WR, WR, WR, TE, MT, QB ...

excellent posting . . . Turner or Greg Jennings???if I'm an LT owneer, its a no brainer . . .

 

[faulkfan]

I don't chase my handcuffs as I prefer to get the best player who has the best shot at putting up points without some catastophy. How many of you are going to take Maning early and then use a 9th rounder on Sorgi? It used to be that Rbs got hurt more, but we are seeing many more QBs missing time it seems like. I take the best talent I can get and if that talent happens to be a handcuff I'll take him, but I won't mortgage my draft trying to buy insurance.

Hold til the 10/11 turn. If someone else takes him prior to that then let them. While you're putting up points like a pinball game he'll probably be holding a roster spot for almost no productivity. I love to gamble so I'm going to gamble that LT makes it through the season. Feel free to gamble that he doesn't.

 

[Captain Hook]

It seems like 10th round is where Turner is being taken*, so either take your chances at 10-X or take him at 9-1 if you can't stand for someone else to take him.

*Reunion draft in Mock Draft Forum on these boards - 14 team redraft, he went at 10.07

*WCOFF Expert Mock Draft for upcoming magazine he also went in 10th round - 12 teamer

 

[pantherclub]

2006 Betts disagrees with this thread. He took me to the finals only to lose to crazy Stephan Jackson

 

[Liquid Tension]

I would take best player available. but then i do not handcuff players. and i did have lt on two teams last year.

Handcuffing is a waste of a pick

Way too simplified an answer.Handcuffing makes sense if you have your major QB, 2 RB, 3WR and possibly TE (dependent on scoring) positions covered. If you have a starting position opened then taking a handcuff doesn't make sense. However, if those 7 positions are covered I surely wouldn't take a kicker or defense (unless your top defense is there and the scoring in your league makes defenses valuable) before getting the best handcuff you could get. The last point is important in that Turner is about the best handcuff you could ever imagine. Most other handcuff RB's would get a reduced starters role and are probably not as talented.You also have to see who your 3rd RB is if you have a solid 3rd instead of a TE before pick 8.In general handcuffing usually is not that helpful because the backup is usually in a starting reduced role and generally not starter material. Further, you lose a game on the back end sometimes as the starter gets healthy and they may split some time as they come back. Finally, because Turner is a worthy handcuff, the piece of mind and flexibility he gives you when making trades is welcomed. Many times when your starter goes down you will be looking for a starting RB; this way you know you have one.I think taking Turner in the 8th or later is absolutely justified in the right situation (which is probably a high % of the times)

 

[klinger]

Great discussion as I am an owner of LT in a keeper league. I've been drafting Turner as a handcuff the past two years. I had planned to draft him this year but fear the price might be too high given the expected hype (I got caught up in the Watson hype last year and drafted him WAY too early). I learned from that experience and will not do that again.

So, it appears as in a redraft league Turners value is primarily a handcuff. However, as mentioned in previous posts his value increases in keeper leagues. If his value is say 10th round in a 12 league team, how does that change in a keeper league? How do you value Turner versus Adrian Peterson (Min) or Lynch (Buf)? I guess you have actually seen Turner in a NFL game (although not a full season). Peterson and Lynch have yet to see action in the NFL. How much does Turner's experience outweigh the rookie RBs?

I'll take a stab to start the discussion:

Turner in a keeper league draft (standard scoring) 6th/7th round?

I think I would draft Peterson over Turner in a keeper league. Although I am not as familiar with Lynch I would say he would be higher than Turner but not by much.

I expect Turner will be over hyped this year and I will not get caught up in paying too much.

 

[toppshelff]

Not to hijack the thread, but I also have LT in a 4-keeper league (14 teams, up to 3 RBs starting). I think Turner will be dropped as will Norwood. With picks 1.03 and 1.04, I'm hoping for some combo of AD, Calvin, Lynch, Turner, Norwood. This would be the equivalent of an 5th in a big league, 6th in a 12 teamer. Note that RB's are at a high premium in this format.

 

[Lambert]

I don't chase my handcuffs as I prefer to get the best player who has the best shot at putting up points without some catastophy. How many of you are going to take Maning early and then use a 9th rounder on Sorgi? It used to be that Rbs got hurt more, but we are seeing many more QBs missing time it seems like. I take the best talent I can get and if that talent happens to be a handcuff I'll take him, but I won't mortgage my draft trying to buy insurance.Hold til the 10/11 turn. If someone else takes him prior to that then let them. While you're putting up points like a pinball game he'll probably be holding a roster spot for almost no productivity. I love to gamble so I'm going to gamble that LT makes it through the season. Feel free to gamble that he doesn't.

Ummm ... I think there's some difference between the value of Sorgi (if Manning goes down) and the value of Turner (if LT goes down). Can you count on Turner to be the #1 FF RB if LT goes down to injury? No. But Turner would be a top 10 RB, possibly even top 5. Sorgi, on the other hand, is not someone I would expect great fantasy QB performance from if Manning goes down.

 

[proninja]

I also have the 1st pick in a 12-team redraft. However, I've been in this league for more than 10 years, and know the people in it very well. I can't see them taking a back-up -- even for a star like LT until at least round 11 most likely 12 or later. I'll probably grab Turner in Round 11.Mini-Hijack -- who you like at the turn? I want to get a RB to pair with LT at the 2-3 round turn.I have a feeling it will go RB heavy. Hoping an Edge makes it there. Or Ronnie Brown. But I doubt it. I'm nervous about Benson -- not sure if he can stay healthy and don't want that risk. I might reach for Thomas Jones there. Not sure if I want to reach for Deuce or D. Williams either.Otherwise if I grab top WR's or top WR and Gates at 2-3, the RB situation at round 4-5 is scary. I don't think anyone -- not even an Ahman Green will slide that far. Just junk at RB when you get there.

I'm 5 rounds into a draft where I had the first pick currently, in a very RB heavy league. Pretty standard FBG scoring with .5ppr, 12 teams, start 2RB, 2WR, 1 flex, not a weak link in the league. Well, except for posty. At the 2/3 turn, the best available RB's were T. Jones and Jacobs. Holt and Wayne were still out there. I looked at RB's I thought would be available at 4/5 compared to WR's, and thought I could land better value at RB there. Well, guys in my league kept taking RB's, and I got to the 4/5 turn, and the best available RB's were Jamal Lewis/DeAngelo Williams. Moss and Driver were still on the board. If I had it to do over again, I would have taken Jones at the 2/3 and gone WR at 4/5. Your mileage will vary. I ended up taking Moss over Driver, which I'm not so comfortable about, and DeAngelo over Lewis, which I'm also not so comfortable about. Roster through 5RB - LT, DWWR - Holt, Wayne, MossI took DW even though Lewis made the most "sense" because of his lack of competition, and the fact that I just like drafting talent. I think I've got the makings of a playoff team, and I figure the odds of DW beating out Foster or Foster breaking his torso are pretty good by the end of the year, and if I have DW starting as my #2 going into the playoffs, I'm pretty fond of that group. Plus, when it comes down to it, I'd rather draft talent.I would have rather hadRB - LT, TJWR - Holt, Moss, DriverIt's about knowing your league. I knew my league and didn't draft accordingly.

 

[DLeo]

i would wait and see if i could get him in the last round. if someone else drafts him before that they will just be hoping LT gets hurt.

whatever yuo do..do not do the above as he willbe long gone. IMO you have it right take him at the 9.01 turn. He is a must have if you get LT just in case somehting happens and its jusst the smart thing to do to get him.

 

[proninja]

Oh, and I'm not answering this question yet

 

[fsufan]

i would wait and see if i could get him in the last round. if someone else drafts him before that they will just be hoping LT gets hurt.

whatever yuo do..do not do the above as he willbe long gone. IMO you have it right take him at the 9.01 turn. He is a must have if you get LT just in case somehting happens and its jusst the smart thing to do to get him.

so someone will draft turner who is not a LT owner and waste a roster spot when they could of drafted a player that could help their team as a starter, good strategy

 

[DLeo]

I would take best player available. but then i do not handcuff players. and i did have lt on two teams last year.

Handcuffing is a waste of a pick

Agreed. I'm of the thinking that if the worst case scenario happens, then a handcuff isn't likely to take me all the way. Isn't that what we're here for? Yeah, Turner will get you by, but even being the best backup and coming into a great situation, Michael Turner will not win a championship for you if LT goes. Winning championships should be the reason we do this, not just getting 2nd or 3rd or the playoffs.When you waste an early pick (and yes 8th and 9th round are still early picks), you are taking away starters for bench players. You're better off taking a decent #3 RB that has more value than simply a backup. If LT goes down, you still have that insurance. And you haven't wasted a later pick on a non-starting player.Now, of course, if the price is cheap on your handcuff, then absolutely take him. But I never draft a player with the intent on having to waste 2 picks in order to have him. If that's the case, trade down and take SJ or Gore and get their backup for considerably cheaper.As you can see, I'm pretty against handcuffing. And yes, I've been bitten before and just sucked it up and went at it again the next year. Whenever you end up with that #1 pick and get LT, you're stuck with having the last 2nd round pick and usually rely pretty heavily on LT. Turner will never fix that. He's not LT.

why woud Turner not help yu win if LT gioes down? Thats a foolish thought of course he can help yuo win...I guess you dont know just how good Turner is? Well next year you will when he is being taken in the second round of mosts drafts.This is why you really need him. If Has there playoff spot locked up come week 16 then Tunrer is gonna be a great play that week. You wanna win the entire year with LT then lose the championship when he plays one series week 16?

 

[fsufan]

This is why you really need him. If Has there playoff spot locked up come week 16 then Tunrer is gonna be a great play that week. You wanna win the entire year with LT then lose the championship when he plays one series week 16?

SD had to fight for home field till week 17 last year