Two Bills better than one (1 Viewer)

[Bailiver]

We're not about to bash the recently retired Bill Parcells, a great coach by any meaure. Well, almost any measure. Are you sitting down? Take a look at how Parcell's career numbers with Bill Belicheck by his side as an assistant compare with those when the "other Bill" was someplace else.

Bill + Bill 12 seasons, 117-73-1 (.616 pct) Two for three in Super Bowls, with four other playoff appearances.Parcells alone 7 seasons 55-57-0 (.491 pct) Two playoff appearances - and zero victories.

 

[CalBear]

We're not about to bash the recently retired Bill Parcells, a great coach by any meaure. Well, almost any measure. Are you sitting down? Take a look at how Parcell's career numbers with Bill Belicheck by his side as an assistant compare with those when the "other Bill" was someplace else.

Bill + Bill 12 seasons, 117-73-1 (.616 pct) Two for three in Super Bowls, with four other playoff appearances.Parcells alone 7 seasons 55-57-0 (.491 pct) Two playoff appearances - and zero victories.

Belichick without Charlie Weis: 58-54, 4-3 in the playoffs, no Super Bowl appearances.Meaningless.

 

[redman]

We're not about to bash the recently retired Bill Parcells, a great coach by any meaure. Well, almost any measure. Are you sitting down? Take a look at how Parcell's career numbers with Bill Belicheck by his side as an assistant compare with those when the "other Bill" was someplace else.

Bill + Bill 12 seasons, 117-73-1 (.616 pct) Two for three in Super Bowls, with four other playoff appearances.Parcells alone 7 seasons 55-57-0 (.491 pct) Two playoff appearances - and zero victories.

Belichick without Charlie Weis: 58-54, 4-3 in the playoffs, no Super Bowl appearances.Meaningless.

Time will tell. I think a key coordinator can be all the difference. Look at Buddy Ryan in Chicago as an example - that team faded pretty fast after he left.

 

[CalBear]

Time will tell. I think a key coordinator can be all the difference. Look at Buddy Ryan in Chicago as an example - that team faded pretty fast after he left.

Super Bowl winners are teams that put it all together at the same time; ownership, coaching staff, players, and a little bit of luck. It is not at all suprising, once the team that managed to win a Super Bowl breaks up, that the resultant team doesn't do as well.Also, after his Super Bowl with the Giants, Parcells took over three teams, which were 2-14, 1-15, and 5-11 the seasons before he arrived.

 

[redman]

Time will tell. I think a key coordinator can be all the difference. Look at Buddy Ryan in Chicago as an example - that team faded pretty fast after he left.

Super Bowl winners are teams that put it all together at the same time; ownership, coaching staff, players, and a little bit of luck. It is not at all suprising, once the team that managed to win a Super Bowl breaks up, that the resultant team doesn't do as well.Also, after his Super Bowl with the Giants, Parcells took over three teams, which were 2-14, 1-15, and 5-11 the seasons before he arrived.

I believe I've seen comparisons which eliminate his inaugural seasons with the Pats, Jets and Cowboys, and the results end up about the same. As for Super Bowl winners there are also examples especially during the 1980's and early '90's of teams that remained contenders years after they won Super Bowls, as evidenced by the repeated success of Parcells' Giants teams, Gibbs' Redskins teams, and Walsh's 49'ers teams.

With Parcells I agree it's not accurate to attribute all of his success to Belichick. For most of those years he also had LT on his roster, the point being that there were other factors. But to say that the difference of his success rate with versus without Belichick is an analysis completely without merit goes too far in the other direction.

 

[On The Rocks]

I thought this was going to be a thread about Jim Kelly and OJ Simpson.

 

[David Yudkin]

I posted this in another Parcells thread . . .

NYG:

5 seasons before Parcells: 29-44 (.397)

With Parcells: 77-49-1 (.610)

3 seasons post Parcells: 25-23 (.521)

NEP:

5 seasons before Parcells: 23-57 (.288)

With Parcells: 32-32 (.500)

3 seasons post Parcells: 27-12 (.563)

NYJ:

5 seasons before Parcells: 22-58 (.275)

With Parcells: 29-19 (.604)

3 seasons post parcells: 28-20 (.583)

DAL:

5 seasons before Parcells: 33-47 (.413)

With Parcells: 34-30 (.531)

 

[softball]

I posted this in another Parcells thread . . .NYG:5 seasons before Parcells: 29-44 (.397)With Parcells: 77-49-1 (.610)3 seasons post Parcells: 25-23 (.521)NEP:5 seasons before Parcells: 23-57 (.288)With Parcells: 32-32 (.500)3 seasons post Parcells: 27-12 (.563)NYJ:5 seasons before Parcells: 22-58 (.275)With Parcells: 29-19 (.604)3 seasons post parcells: 28-20 (.583)DAL:5 seasons before Parcells: 33-47 (.413)With Parcells: 34-30 (.531)

Point being he has left every franchise better off than when he arrived. The last two he has left with potential franchise QBs in place.Guy is a great coach. Period end of story.