Two Keepers same round (3 Viewers)

[thebear22]

I have two players from the same round I want to keep for next year. One I drafted and the other was dropped by the original owner and added by me after week 1. I want to keep both of them, however I am anticipating some pushback if I try to do it unless I trade for an additional pick in that round.

I am thinking the best move would be to make a trade to acquire another pick in that round but I don’t want to call attention to what I am doing. I think the best way to do it is a 2 way pick swap where I trade down a round slightly earlier in the draft in order to trade up a round or two later.

I am actually not positive that you can keep a player you don’t draft yourself but I don’t want to ask the league commissioner and call attention to it. I don’t see why you wouldn’t be able to since it’s the same as if you got a player via trade.

Have you guys seen situations like this in keeper leagues? Did you allow the player to keep both players using say a pick from the round earlier or did you require them to have two picks in the same round?

I have other players I could keep but I would prefer both of these two.

 

[darksideofoz]

as a commish of several leagues for many years, please don't be shady. if you don't know the rules, or the rules are too vague, then ask.

 

[thebear22]

I don’t want to ask because if people know why I am trying to trade they might try to veto it. Most trades in this league are vetoed in general, people veto because they can regardless of the deal itself

 

[Mitchie]

you should be able to consult w/ the commish directly, if you're unable to do so doesn't sounds like a very good league.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

If people are vetoing trades for fun, then you should find a better league.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Most trades in this league are vetoed in general, people veto because they can regardless of the deal itself

Sounds like a bad league.

 

[thebear22]

If people are vetoing trades for fun, then you should find a better league.

I wouldn’t say for fun but people try and trade players for future picks which attracts a lot of controversy about collusion and vetoes

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

If people are vetoing trades for fun, then you should find a better league.

Jinx!

 

[thebear22]

The points are valid but like anything in life there is no perfect league and I want to continue to do this one.

Had anyone been in a league where there were multiple keepers in the same round and if so how was it handled?

 

[nyg350]

The points are valid but like anything in life there is no perfect league and I want to continue to do this one.

Had anyone been in a league where there were multiple keepers in the same round and if so how was it handled?

The way my league handles it is they stay the same round for future years, but you lose the pick before that round as well.

So, if it’s 2 3rds, you would lose your second and third round pick. For future years, they would still be third round picks (unless you have a mechanism for them to move up, which we do, but I won’t get into that).

Obviously that won’t work with first round picks. If you keep two first round picks, we lose the first, second, AND third round picks. (Because there was nowhere to move it up, you get penalized for that). That will leave you with one less pick, so you get a supplemental pick at the end of the draft to make up for the missed pick.

You should talk to your commissioner. You can propose this as a solution for this year. You should make a firm rule and have all the rules written down to avoid disputes in the future.

 

[Gally]

I don't quite understand the rationale of not asking if you can keep a player signed off waivers and if you are able to keep two players in the same round (typically you just have to use a pick in the round before - i.e. if the round you have two guys is 8 then it costs you a 7th and 8th round pick.

But again, this really should be covered by the rules so just ask. You aren't being that tricky here. It's not worth the confusion. Just find out what is allowed. That's what rules are for.

As a commish I hate when owners try and circumvent the intent of the rules by doing things like this. I try and cover all situations in the rules but there are times when things get missed. Then some owners try and go around the intent by saying the rules don't specifically say you can't so you have to allow it. I hate those type owners.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

You can propose this as a solution for this year

I mean, if they’re proposing it to the commish they should probably start with “pick and the pick after” rather than the pick before.

Like trading, come in low and negotiate from there.

 

[thebear22]

I don't quite understand the rationale of not asking if you can keep a player signed off waivers and if you are able to keep two players in the same round (typically you just have to use a pick in the round before - i.e. if the round you have two guys is 8 then it costs you a 7th and 8th round pick.

But again, this really should be covered by the rules so just ask. You aren't being that tricky here. It's not worth the confusion. Just find out what is allowed. That's what rules are for.

As a commish I hate when owners try and circumvent the intent of the rules by doing things like this. I try and cover all situations in the rules but there are times when things get missed. Then some owners try and go around the intent by saying the rules don't specifically say you can't so you have to allow it. I hate those type owners.

Well if I have two picks in that round I don’t see how they can say no, obviously if I don’t then they can say it’s not allowed if I simply don’t have those picks

 

[Gally]

I don't quite understand the rationale of not asking if you can keep a player signed off waivers and if you are able to keep two players in the same round (typically you just have to use a pick in the round before - i.e. if the round you have two guys is 8 then it costs you a 7th and 8th round pick.

But again, this really should be covered by the rules so just ask. You aren't being that tricky here. It's not worth the confusion. Just find out what is allowed. That's what rules are for.

As a commish I hate when owners try and circumvent the intent of the rules by doing things like this. I try and cover all situations in the rules but there are times when things get missed. Then some owners try and go around the intent by saying the rules don't specifically say you can't so you have to allow it. I hate those type owners.

Well if I have two picks in that round I don’t see how they can say no, obviously if I don’t then they can say it’s not allowed if I simply don’t have those picks

They can say no if there is a rule that says you can't keep a guy you got off waivers or if the rule says you can't freeze two guys in the same round. All that matters is what the rules state.....not what you think you can get away with.

 

[Raging weasel]

I don't quite understand the rationale of not asking if you can keep a player signed off waivers and if you are able to keep two players in the same round (typically you just have to use a pick in the round before - i.e. if the round you have two guys is 8 then it costs you a 7th and 8th round pick.

But again, this really should be covered by the rules so just ask. You aren't being that tricky here. It's not worth the confusion. Just find out what is allowed. That's what rules are for.

As a commish I hate when owners try and circumvent the intent of the rules by doing things like this. I try and cover all situations in the rules but there are times when things get missed. Then some owners try and go around the intent by saying the rules don't specifically say you can't so you have to allow it. I hate those type owners.

Well if I have two picks in that round I don’t see how they can say no, obviously if I don’t then they can say it’s not allowed if I simply don’t have those picks

They can say no if there is a rule that says you can't keep a guy you got off waivers or if the rule says you can't freeze two guys in the same round. All that matters is what the rules state.....not what you think you can get away with.

This!
Are there no rules posted/written anywhere that you can look at to answer your question? If there are no written rules your commish is just asking for problems like this. If there are written rules but this issue isn't specifically addressed,then talk to the commish and find out the answer.

 

[renesauz]

I would think league rules would cover such a scenario. AT the very least using a slightly higher pick then required for one of them? This is a league specific issue

 

[thebear22]

There are no league rules addressing this, if there were I wouldn’t be thinking about it this much or posted this at all

 

[Gally]

There are no league rules addressing this, if there were I wouldn’t be thinking about it this much or posted this at all

So what do the rules state regarding keepers? They have to say something.

 

[thebear22]

There are no league rules addressing this, if there were I wouldn’t be thinking about it this much or posted this at all

So what do the rules state regarding keepers? They have to say something.

There are no written rules, Just player can be kept for the pick in the round they were drafted in last year has been what is done

 

[Gally]

There are no league rules addressing this, if there were I wouldn’t be thinking about it this much or posted this at all

So what do the rules state regarding keepers? They have to say something.

Just player can be kept for the pick they were drafted in last year

I would take that to mean that you can only keep players you drafted. Most of the time waiver players aren't eligible to be kept when the rule is stated like this. However, there is a simple solution......ASK THE COMMISH IF YOU ARE ALLOWED TO KEEP A WAIVER PLAYER!!!!

 

[thebear22]

There are no league rules addressing this, if there were I wouldn’t be thinking about it this much or posted this at all

So what do the rules state regarding keepers? They have to say something.

Just player can be kept for the pick they were drafted in last year

I would take that to mean that you can only keep players you drafted. Most of the time waiver players aren't eligible to be kept when the rule is stated like this. However, there is a simple solution......ASK THE COMMISH IF YOU ARE ALLOWED TO KEEP A WAIVER PLAYER!!!!

Well you can not keep a waiver that was undrafted player since no one could agree on the cost but in this case the player was drafted. I’m pretty sure players that were involved in trades in previous years have been kept but I’ve never paid attention to the logistics of others keepers

 

[Gally]

There are no league rules addressing this, if there were I wouldn’t be thinking about it this much or posted this at all

So what do the rules state regarding keepers? They have to say something.

Just player can be kept for the pick they were drafted in last year

I would take that to mean that you can only keep players you drafted. Most of the time waiver players aren't eligible to be kept when the rule is stated like this. However, there is a simple solution......ASK THE COMMISH IF YOU ARE ALLOWED TO KEEP A WAIVER PLAYER!!!!

Well you can not keep a waiver that was undrafted player since no one could agree on the cost but in this case the player was drafted

But you acquired him on waivers. Rather than making the assumption....just ask the commish.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

We always just said that if you had two keepers from the same round than you gave up the original round pick and the pick one round ahead.
Meaning, if you wanted to keep two 4th rounders, it would cost a 3rd and a 4th.

 

[thebear22]

I don't quite understand the rationale of not asking if you can keep a player signed off waivers and if you are able to keep two players in the same round (typically you just have to use a pick in the round before - i.e. if the round you have two guys is 8 then it costs you a 7th and 8th round pick.

But again, this really should be covered by the rules so just ask. You aren't being that tricky here. It's not worth the confusion. Just find out what is allowed. That's what rules are for.

As a commish I hate when owners try and circumvent the intent of the rules by doing things like this. I try and cover all situations in the rules but there are times when things get missed. Then some owners try and go around the intent by saying the rules don't specifically say you can't so you have to allow it. I hate those type owners.

I definitely see where you are coming from as a commissioner but In a league where people do all kind of slimly stuff I don’t see why I would benefit from standing on some kind of moral high ground instead of just trying to finesse the trade, but if I couldn’t keep the player I added anyway obviously it would be useless

 

[Gally]

I don't quite understand the rationale of not asking if you can keep a player signed off waivers and if you are able to keep two players in the same round (typically you just have to use a pick in the round before - i.e. if the round you have two guys is 8 then it costs you a 7th and 8th round pick.

But again, this really should be covered by the rules so just ask. You aren't being that tricky here. It's not worth the confusion. Just find out what is allowed. That's what rules are for.

As a commish I hate when owners try and circumvent the intent of the rules by doing things like this. I try and cover all situations in the rules but there are times when things get missed. Then some owners try and go around the intent by saying the rules don't specifically say you can't so you have to allow it. I hate those type owners.

I definitely see where you are coming from as a commissioner but In a league where people do all kind of slimly stuff I don’t see why I would benefit from standing on some kind of moral high ground instead of just trying to finesse the trade, but if I couldn’t keep the player I added anyway obviously it would be useless

If that is the type of league you are in I would leave. Don't need to be around owners like that.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I don't quite understand the rationale of not asking if you can keep a player signed off waivers and if you are able to keep two players in the same round (typically you just have to use a pick in the round before - i.e. if the round you have two guys is 8 then it costs you a 7th and 8th round pick.

But again, this really should be covered by the rules so just ask. You aren't being that tricky here. It's not worth the confusion. Just find out what is allowed. That's what rules are for.

As a commish I hate when owners try and circumvent the intent of the rules by doing things like this. I try and cover all situations in the rules but there are times when things get missed. Then some owners try and go around the intent by saying the rules don't specifically say you can't so you have to allow it. I hate those type owners.

Well if I have two picks in that round I don’t see how they can say no, obviously if I don’t then they can say it’s not allowed if I simply don’t have those picks

They can say no if there is a rule that says you can't keep a guy you got off waivers or if the rule says you can't freeze two guys in the same round. All that matters is what the rules state.....not what you think you can get away with.

100%

 

[thebear22]

I do other leagues but in my experience all leagues have their issues as well, typically some combination of not serious enough, don’t know the league members all that well, or the league just fizzes out eventually

 

[thebear22]

I am going to have to just ask because I am not sure if I can keep one player at all.

 

[wlwiles]

The points are valid but like anything in life there is no perfect league and I want to continue to do this one.

Had anyone been in a league where there were multiple keepers in the same round and if so how was it handled?

Your league should have rules for this scenario, and if you don't then shame on the commish for not thinking ahead.

 

[Ilov80s]

This is just an obvious situation your league should already have rules for. This is not uncommon. My keeper league does the following:

• Any player added from waivers/FA pool can be kept for a 7th round draft pick so
• If you want to keep 2 players who were drafted in the same round or were both waiver wire adds, it costs the round they would have gone and the pick from the round prior

So I want to keep a player drafted in the 7th and wanted to keep a waiver wire add, I would lose my 7th round pick and I would lose my 6th round pick.