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Mmen of Steel
Footballguy
Johnson and Stanton are great pix - there is no way that offense is going anywhere
in the long term with Kitna and freekin Mike Furrey.
I give this draft an A and I'll be the first in line at the Sports
Authority for a #5 in honolulu blue.
in the long term with Kitna and freekin Mike Furrey.
I give this draft an A and I'll be the first in line at the Sports
Authority for a #5 in honolulu blue.
Tibereas
Footballguy
Ya Kitna sucks with his 4200 plus yards and all this from throwing from his back. Furrey blows too, 98-1086-6TD. This offense will be awesome next year IF they can give Kitna any kind of protection. I hope there are many other owners that think like you and let a top 5 QB slide to me late in the draft. Kitna will run this show for 3 more years and run it well, with protection.Johnson and Stanton are great pix - there is no way that offense is going anywherein the long term with Kitna and freekin Mike Furrey. I give this draft an A and I'll be the first in line at the Sports Authority for a #5 in honolulu blue.
Napoleon Dynamite
Footballguy
If anyone thinks Kitna will be playing for the Lions for 3 more years is dreaming, this is Kitna's last year as a Lion. This is going to be just like Cambell, Frye, Losman, Tarvaris, Simms, whatever, yes some of those QBs suck but they all got a chance to be starters within 2 years. Stanton will get a chance to play by 2008.Tibereas said:Ya Kitna sucks with his 4200 plus yards and all this from throwing from his back. Furrey blows too, 98-1086-6TD. This offense will be awesome next year IF they can give Kitna any kind of protection. I hope there are many other owners that think like you and let a top 5 QB slide to me late in the draft. Kitna will run this show for 3 more years and run it well, with protection.Mmen of Steel said:Johnson and Stanton are great pix - there is no way that offense is going anywherein the long term with Kitna and freekin Mike Furrey. I give this draft an A and I'll be the first in line at the Sports Authority for a #5 in honolulu blue.
Tibereas
Footballguy
My guess is Kitna will play in 08. And maybe those QB's would have been better served to not start in 2 years. To think he only has 1 year left is wrong and to think Stanton will be ready to run a Martz offense in wrong. Maybe in 09, but doubt it.If anyone thinks Kitna will be playing for the Lions for 3 more years is dreaming, this is Kitna's last year as a Lion. This is going to be just like Cambell, Frye, Losman, Tarvaris, Simms, whatever, yes some of those QBs suck but they all got a chance to be starters within 2 years. Stanton will get a chance to play by 2008.Tibereas said:Ya Kitna sucks with his 4200 plus yards and all this from throwing from his back. Furrey blows too, 98-1086-6TD. This offense will be awesome next year IF they can give Kitna any kind of protection. I hope there are many other owners that think like you and let a top 5 QB slide to me late in the draft. Kitna will run this show for 3 more years and run it well, with protection.Mmen of Steel said:Johnson and Stanton are great pix - there is no way that offense is going anywherein the long term with Kitna and freekin Mike Furrey. I give this draft an A and I'll be the first in line at the Sports Authority for a #5 in honolulu blue.
Greco
Footballguy
Drew Stanton will be the next Bill Bates. And is it coincidence or irony that Detroit gets to choose Mr. Irrelevant this year?My guess is Kitna will play in 08. And maybe those QB's would have been better served to not start in 2 years. To think he only has 1 year left is wrong and to think Stanton will be ready to run a Martz offense in wrong. Maybe in 09, but doubt it.If anyone thinks Kitna will be playing for the Lions for 3 more years is dreaming, this is Kitna's last year as a Lion. This is going to be just like Cambell, Frye, Losman, Tarvaris, Simms, whatever, yes some of those QBs suck but they all got a chance to be starters within 2 years. Stanton will get a chance to play by 2008.Tibereas said:Ya Kitna sucks with his 4200 plus yards and all this from throwing from his back. Furrey blows too, 98-1086-6TD. This offense will be awesome next year IF they can give Kitna any kind of protection. I hope there are many other owners that think like you and let a top 5 QB slide to me late in the draft. Kitna will run this show for 3 more years and run it well, with protection.Mmen of Steel said:Johnson and Stanton are great pix - there is no way that offense is going anywherein the long term with Kitna and freekin Mike Furrey. I give this draft an A and I'll be the first in line at the Sports Authority for a #5 in honolulu blue.
Gravedigger
Footballguy
Man, you guys are perky. A, B+, B?
I've rooted for the Lions for twenty years now. With this draft, I think they've finally broken me.
Only half of my problem was who they took. Fact is, they had stockpiled 1-3rd rounds picks, then 4 5ths. That was PERFECT. With so many needs, even 3rd rounders had a great chance of being impact players within the year.
CJ I understand. I still don't like it, but I understand it.
They did NOT make solid upgrades at OL in the offseason, they just shuffled. Kitna is good when he has time and sub-par when he does not. If you want an air show, start with the freakin' OL. Thomas would have been a better pick for this team and not much of a stretch at all. Instead, Furrey becomes invisible despite being the only shining player from all of last year.
Then they blow the next three picks on 'projects'? Are you kidding? One entered college on the basketball team, another is a homer pick to attempt to increase ticket sales, and the third might have been snagged in the 5th round!
I know you guys want to hope. It's spring after all and everyone gets a new shot. But I'm telling you, with no time to get it to CJ and Williams, and no defense at all so that Bell and Jones will be taken out of the games early (since Martz will under use them anyway), there is no way DET will win more than 4 games next year.
Day two is for projects. Not day one when you've several 2nd rounders on a team that has so many glaring needs.
I'm broke. I'm telling folks I'm from Jacksonville from now on.
I give them a D.
I've rooted for the Lions for twenty years now. With this draft, I think they've finally broken me.
Only half of my problem was who they took. Fact is, they had stockpiled 1-3rd rounds picks, then 4 5ths. That was PERFECT. With so many needs, even 3rd rounders had a great chance of being impact players within the year.
CJ I understand. I still don't like it, but I understand it.
They did NOT make solid upgrades at OL in the offseason, they just shuffled. Kitna is good when he has time and sub-par when he does not. If you want an air show, start with the freakin' OL. Thomas would have been a better pick for this team and not much of a stretch at all. Instead, Furrey becomes invisible despite being the only shining player from all of last year.
Then they blow the next three picks on 'projects'? Are you kidding? One entered college on the basketball team, another is a homer pick to attempt to increase ticket sales, and the third might have been snagged in the 5th round!
I know you guys want to hope. It's spring after all and everyone gets a new shot. But I'm telling you, with no time to get it to CJ and Williams, and no defense at all so that Bell and Jones will be taken out of the games early (since Martz will under use them anyway), there is no way DET will win more than 4 games next year.
Day two is for projects. Not day one when you've several 2nd rounders on a team that has so many glaring needs.
I'm broke. I'm telling folks I'm from Jacksonville from now on.
I give them a D.
Greco
Footballguy
4 wins next year is another top 5 pick. Draft day is our Super Bowl, so I say Hell yeah!
Cerwin
Footballguy
I almost got in a fight with Drew Stanton in Jr. High School. He played for our rival school and they pwned us in 7th, 8th, and 9th grade. He was a little ##### back then, but he was always good. I don't know if he was really a #####, but I assumed so since he wasn't on my team.
hutchins929
Footballguy
Here is what the Detroit News had to say about the Lions draft so far.
Link
Round 1/2 Calvin Johnson, WR Complete Bio Page
HT WT College 2006 Stats
6-4 237 Georgia Tech GP Rec Yds Avg TD
14 76 1202 15.8 15
Scouting Report: The Biletnikoff Award winner as the nation's top wide receiver, Johnson has done nothing but succeed since he stepped onto a college field. Before being named the NCAA's top target this season as a junior, Johnson was named an All-American as a super-soph and the ACC's Freshman of the Year. Much of his success is thanks to his superb size, length, and hands. He can simply dominate smaller defenders, and routinely makes highlight-type catches. The only question marks are his pure closing speed and possibly his overall focus. That said, he had a huge season in 2006 and seems the clear-cut top wideout in the draft.
Impact: Yet again, the Lions and embattled GM Matt Millen take a wide receiver with their top pick. The difference this time is, Johnson won't likely be a bust. He's a fantastic talent and considered the best wideout to come along in years. If Detroit keeps him (a big if) they have a dominant tandem in Johnson and Roy Williams. If they don't, he will make excellent trade bait. We'll see.
Round 2/43 Drew Stanton, QB Complete Bio Page
HT WT College 2006 Stats
6-3 235 Michigan State GP Att Comp Yds Avg TD Int
11 269 164 1807 6.7 12 10
Scouting Report: If Stanton had entered the draft last year, he might have been one of the first quarterbacks taken. That still may happen this year, but that's only because there are fewer top QB prospects this time around. Stanton had a somewhat sub-par senior campaign, throwing for almost as many picks (10) as touchdowns (12). Major health problems during college (a torn ACL, separated shoulder) etc. also hurt his stock, but at the end of the day he has all the raw goods to be an above-average NFL passer. Stanton may be one of the top sleepers in this draft class.
Impact: A young quarterback isn't exactly a top priority for the Lions, but it is certainly needed. Jon Kitna isn't really the long-term answer for this team despite his solid success as a starter in 2006, so Stanton is a nice pickup for the Lions here. The issues about his health are obvious drawbacks, but he won't be under any pressure to perform right away. The expected exit of current top backup Josh McCown might open the door for Stanton to see a few reps this season. He definitely has upside.
Round 2/58 Ikaika Alama-Francis, DE Complete Bio Page
HT WT College 2006 Stats
6-5 250 Hawaii GP Tk Ast Sacks FR-FF TD Int
13 39 18 5-34 4-2 0 0-0-0
Scouting Report: An All-WAC First-Teamer in 2006, Alama-Francis is a fantastic athlete. Somewhat of a late bloomer physically and in terms of technique, he nevertheless has the advantage of having played for a former NFL head coach (Jerry Glanville) and being the son of a former NFL QB (Joe Francis). Alama-Francis made huge strides in the past couple of years despite having never played high school football. He is still very raw in terms of technique and will be a project for a while in the NFL, but his upsdie may be better than any defensive end's in the draft. A sleeper.
Impact: This pick has head coach Rod Marinelli's fingerprints all over it. Alama-Francis has the talent to eventually be a starting defensive lineman, and Marinelli is a defensive line guru. That said, this choice may be a little early for Alama-Francis. He is sushi-raw, and despite his obvious and fast-developing talents, he is not really ready to contribute anytime soon at the NFL level. Perhaps the Lions thought they wouldn't have a chance to draft him later on, but this might be a bit of a stretch.
Round 2/61 Gerald Alexander, FS Complete Bio Page
HT WT College 2006 Stats
6-0 210 Boise State GP Tk Ast Sacks FR-FF TD Int
13 38 11 0-0 1-1 0 2-25-0
Scouting Report: A great leaper with a nose for the ball, Alexander uses his size and hops to make plays in the secondary. He played most of his career at Boise State as a cornerback, but then was moved to safety as a senior. That versatility should help him in the NFL, especially early on as he is likely to find spot-duty all over the field. While not a big hitter, Alexander is a very solid cover guy who may eventually evolve into a big-play interception threat. A big-time sleeper.
Impact: The trade of Dre Bly to the Broncos has left the Lion secondary somewhat thin. Enter Alexander, a somewhat raw prospect who has the talent to possibly be a starter sometime down the road at one of several positions. While he is still raw and coming from a small school, Alexander has all the goods to develop into an above-average defensive back at the NFL level. It is also interesting that team GM Matt Millen appears to be sticking to a commitment to defense (despite the first-overall pick of wideout Calvin Johnson).
Round 4/105 A.J. Davis, CB Complete Bio Page
HT WT College 2006 Stats
5-10 192 North Carolina State GP Tk Ast Sacks FR-FF TD Int
10 24 6 0-0 0-0 0 0-0-0
Scouting Report: A late bloomer, Davis has some intriguing overall tools for a defensive back prospect. He is fast enough and physical enough to keep up with the NFL game, and showed at times during his limited time with the Wolfpack that he can stay with his man and be a big playmaker. Davis is still relatively raw in terms of experience, however, and needs work on his ball skills (both getting to the ball and intecepting it). He has the goods to become a very effective cover guy, but it will take some time and patience.
Round 4/117 Manuel Ramirez, OG Complete Bio Page
HT WT College 2006 Stats
6-3 335 Texas Tech GP
12
Scouting Report: An outstanding run blocker, Ramirez can really plow the field. One of the most powerful players in the draft, he can reportedly bench-press 550 pounds and he uses that strength to occasionally steamroll defenders. While not as hyped as some of the other guards in the draft, Ramirez has the bulk, power, and surprising quickness to be very successful at the NFL level. He is also an underrated pass defender who gets a great lock and shows good adjustment. He could use a little work on his technique, but could be a very useful blocker soon in the right system.
Round 5/158 Johnny Baldwin, LB
HT WT College 2006 Stats
6-2 232 Alabama A&M GP Tk Ast Sacks FR-FF TD Int
12 110 56 4.5-33 3-0 0 1-13-0
Scouting Report: An intense, hard-working linebacker, Baldwin was very productive in spurts at Alabama A & M. His efforts earned him all-conference recognition in his final year, when he really piled up the tackles. Baldwin is good at picking up the action and will make a nice move toward the ball-carrier, and excels at finishing his hits. Unfortunately he doesn't have elite size, bulk, or speed, and that makes him limited as a regular position player at the next level. He will probably back up at inside linebacker if he does work his way into a rotation, but Baldwin is more of a special teams prospect at this point.
Link
Round 1/2 Calvin Johnson, WR Complete Bio Page
HT WT College 2006 Stats
6-4 237 Georgia Tech GP Rec Yds Avg TD
14 76 1202 15.8 15
Scouting Report: The Biletnikoff Award winner as the nation's top wide receiver, Johnson has done nothing but succeed since he stepped onto a college field. Before being named the NCAA's top target this season as a junior, Johnson was named an All-American as a super-soph and the ACC's Freshman of the Year. Much of his success is thanks to his superb size, length, and hands. He can simply dominate smaller defenders, and routinely makes highlight-type catches. The only question marks are his pure closing speed and possibly his overall focus. That said, he had a huge season in 2006 and seems the clear-cut top wideout in the draft.
Impact: Yet again, the Lions and embattled GM Matt Millen take a wide receiver with their top pick. The difference this time is, Johnson won't likely be a bust. He's a fantastic talent and considered the best wideout to come along in years. If Detroit keeps him (a big if) they have a dominant tandem in Johnson and Roy Williams. If they don't, he will make excellent trade bait. We'll see.
Round 2/43 Drew Stanton, QB Complete Bio Page
HT WT College 2006 Stats
6-3 235 Michigan State GP Att Comp Yds Avg TD Int
11 269 164 1807 6.7 12 10
Scouting Report: If Stanton had entered the draft last year, he might have been one of the first quarterbacks taken. That still may happen this year, but that's only because there are fewer top QB prospects this time around. Stanton had a somewhat sub-par senior campaign, throwing for almost as many picks (10) as touchdowns (12). Major health problems during college (a torn ACL, separated shoulder) etc. also hurt his stock, but at the end of the day he has all the raw goods to be an above-average NFL passer. Stanton may be one of the top sleepers in this draft class.
Impact: A young quarterback isn't exactly a top priority for the Lions, but it is certainly needed. Jon Kitna isn't really the long-term answer for this team despite his solid success as a starter in 2006, so Stanton is a nice pickup for the Lions here. The issues about his health are obvious drawbacks, but he won't be under any pressure to perform right away. The expected exit of current top backup Josh McCown might open the door for Stanton to see a few reps this season. He definitely has upside.
Round 2/58 Ikaika Alama-Francis, DE Complete Bio Page
HT WT College 2006 Stats
6-5 250 Hawaii GP Tk Ast Sacks FR-FF TD Int
13 39 18 5-34 4-2 0 0-0-0
Scouting Report: An All-WAC First-Teamer in 2006, Alama-Francis is a fantastic athlete. Somewhat of a late bloomer physically and in terms of technique, he nevertheless has the advantage of having played for a former NFL head coach (Jerry Glanville) and being the son of a former NFL QB (Joe Francis). Alama-Francis made huge strides in the past couple of years despite having never played high school football. He is still very raw in terms of technique and will be a project for a while in the NFL, but his upsdie may be better than any defensive end's in the draft. A sleeper.
Impact: This pick has head coach Rod Marinelli's fingerprints all over it. Alama-Francis has the talent to eventually be a starting defensive lineman, and Marinelli is a defensive line guru. That said, this choice may be a little early for Alama-Francis. He is sushi-raw, and despite his obvious and fast-developing talents, he is not really ready to contribute anytime soon at the NFL level. Perhaps the Lions thought they wouldn't have a chance to draft him later on, but this might be a bit of a stretch.
Round 2/61 Gerald Alexander, FS Complete Bio Page
HT WT College 2006 Stats
6-0 210 Boise State GP Tk Ast Sacks FR-FF TD Int
13 38 11 0-0 1-1 0 2-25-0
Scouting Report: A great leaper with a nose for the ball, Alexander uses his size and hops to make plays in the secondary. He played most of his career at Boise State as a cornerback, but then was moved to safety as a senior. That versatility should help him in the NFL, especially early on as he is likely to find spot-duty all over the field. While not a big hitter, Alexander is a very solid cover guy who may eventually evolve into a big-play interception threat. A big-time sleeper.
Impact: The trade of Dre Bly to the Broncos has left the Lion secondary somewhat thin. Enter Alexander, a somewhat raw prospect who has the talent to possibly be a starter sometime down the road at one of several positions. While he is still raw and coming from a small school, Alexander has all the goods to develop into an above-average defensive back at the NFL level. It is also interesting that team GM Matt Millen appears to be sticking to a commitment to defense (despite the first-overall pick of wideout Calvin Johnson).
Round 4/105 A.J. Davis, CB Complete Bio Page
HT WT College 2006 Stats
5-10 192 North Carolina State GP Tk Ast Sacks FR-FF TD Int
10 24 6 0-0 0-0 0 0-0-0
Scouting Report: A late bloomer, Davis has some intriguing overall tools for a defensive back prospect. He is fast enough and physical enough to keep up with the NFL game, and showed at times during his limited time with the Wolfpack that he can stay with his man and be a big playmaker. Davis is still relatively raw in terms of experience, however, and needs work on his ball skills (both getting to the ball and intecepting it). He has the goods to become a very effective cover guy, but it will take some time and patience.
Round 4/117 Manuel Ramirez, OG Complete Bio Page
HT WT College 2006 Stats
6-3 335 Texas Tech GP
12
Scouting Report: An outstanding run blocker, Ramirez can really plow the field. One of the most powerful players in the draft, he can reportedly bench-press 550 pounds and he uses that strength to occasionally steamroll defenders. While not as hyped as some of the other guards in the draft, Ramirez has the bulk, power, and surprising quickness to be very successful at the NFL level. He is also an underrated pass defender who gets a great lock and shows good adjustment. He could use a little work on his technique, but could be a very useful blocker soon in the right system.
Round 5/158 Johnny Baldwin, LB
HT WT College 2006 Stats
6-2 232 Alabama A&M GP Tk Ast Sacks FR-FF TD Int
12 110 56 4.5-33 3-0 0 1-13-0
Scouting Report: An intense, hard-working linebacker, Baldwin was very productive in spurts at Alabama A & M. His efforts earned him all-conference recognition in his final year, when he really piled up the tackles. Baldwin is good at picking up the action and will make a nice move toward the ball-carrier, and excels at finishing his hits. Unfortunately he doesn't have elite size, bulk, or speed, and that makes him limited as a regular position player at the next level. He will probably back up at inside linebacker if he does work his way into a rotation, but Baldwin is more of a special teams prospect at this point.
Mmen of Steel
Footballguy
Ya Kitna sucks with his 4200 plus yards and all this from throwing from his back. Furrey blows too, 98-1086-6TD. This offense will be awesome next year IF they can give Kitna any kind of protection. I hope there are many other owners that think like you and let a top 5 QB slide to me late in the draft. Kitna will run this show for 3 more years and run it well, with protection.Johnson and Stanton are great pix - there is no way that offense is going anywherein the long term with Kitna and freekin Mike Furrey. I give this draft an A and I'll be the first in line at the Sports Authority for a #5 in honolulu blue.
Thanks.Let's talk this December.
azgroover
Footballguy
Fixed
Thanks.
Mmen of Steel
Footballguy
Fixed again -- a lot can happen over a full regular season.FixedYa Kitna sucks with his 4200 plus yards and all this from throwing from his back. Furrey blows too, 98-1086-6TD. This offense will be awesome next year IF they can give Kitna any kind of protection. I hope there are many other owners that think like you and let a top 5 QB slide to me late in the draft. Kitna will run this show for 3 more years and run it well, with protection.Johnson and Stanton are great pix - there is no way that offense is going anywhere
in the long term with Kitna and freekin Mike Furrey.
I give this draft an A and I'll be the first in line at the Sports
Authority for a #5 in honolulu blue.
Thanks.
Let's talk this December October.
