U.S. Ambassador to Libya Killed in Rocket Attack (1 Viewer)

[pittstownkiller]

I'm honestly confused on what you have been saying. Is your complaint that a politician is running a campaign for reelection a couple of months before the election? You expect him to suspend his campaign over this?

You don't?

Of course not. I live in reality.

You should invite the President over, it would be nice to see him spend some time there.

 

[pittstownkiller]

...and here is some more reality:

The suspected mastermind of this attack, has ties to Al Qaeda, and was a prisoner who was released from Gitmo.

Abu Sufian Ibrahim Ahmed Hamouda JTF GTMO detainee assessment

I am truly surprised that Letterman didn't ask him about this.

 

[drummer]

...and here is some more reality:

The suspected mastermind of this attack, has ties to Al Qaeda, and was a prisoner who was released from Gitmo.

My linkabu sufian ibrahim ahmed Hamouda JTF GTMO detainee assessment

I am truly surprised that Letterman didn't ask him about this.

Can you post the text instead of my browser wanting to download a pdf?

 

[mad sweeney]

He has time for this too

Just think of how much he could've accomplished in those 23 seconds.

 

[Apple Jack]

at the whole "suspend his campaign" meme.

 

[drummer]

at the whole "suspend his campaign" meme.

Obama should stop mobilizing the Military in a crisis like this.

 

[mad sweeney]

Maybe he should read a book about goats to some kids.

 

[pittstownkiller]

...and here is some more reality:

The suspected mastermind of this attack, has ties to Al Qaeda, and was a prisoner who was released from Gitmo.

My linkabu sufian ibrahim ahmed Hamouda JTF GTMO detainee assessment

I am truly surprised that Letterman didn't ask him about this.

Can you post the text instead of my browser wanting to download a pdf?

I am not sure I know how to do that; tell me how.

 

[pittstownkiller]

He has time for this too

Just think of how much he could've accomplished in those 23 seconds.

:graspsatstraws:

 

[MaxThreshold]

...and here is some more reality:

The suspected mastermind of this attack, has ties to Al Qaeda, and was a prisoner who was released from Gitmo.

My linkabu sufian ibrahim ahmed Hamouda JTF GTMO detainee assessment

I am truly surprised that Letterman didn't ask him about this.

Why would he? He hangs from Obama's nutsack too. You didn't know that?

 

[the moops]

...and here is some more reality:

The suspected mastermind of this attack, has ties to Al Qaeda, and was a prisoner who was released from Gitmo.

My linkabu sufian ibrahim ahmed Hamouda JTF GTMO detainee assessment

I am truly surprised that Letterman didn't ask him about this.

Can you post the text instead of my browser wanting to download a pdf?

I am not sure I know how to do that; tell me how.

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[pittstownkiller]

...and here is some more reality:

The suspected mastermind of this attack, has ties to Al Qaeda, and was a prisoner who was released from Gitmo.

My linkabu sufian ibrahim ahmed Hamouda JTF GTMO detainee assessment

I am truly surprised that Letterman didn't ask him about this.

Can you post the text instead of my browser wanting to download a pdf?

I am not sure I know how to do that; tell me how.

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JOINT TASK FORCE GUANTANAMO

GUANTANAMO BAY. CUBA

APO AE 09360

JTF GTMO-CG 22 Aprrl2005

MEMORANDUMF ORC ommandeUr,n itedS tatesS outhemC ommand3, 511N W 9lstA venue,

Miami .F L33172.

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ContinuedD etention(T RCD)f or GuantanamDoe taineeI,S N: US9LY-000557D(PS )

JTF GTMOD etaineeA ssessment

1. (FOUOP) ersonaIln formation:

o JDIMSAIDRC Reference Name: Abu Sufian Ibrahim Ahmed

Hamouda

o Aliases and Current/True Name: Abu Sufian Ibrahim Ahmed

Hamuda Bin Oumu. Abu Mariam. Abdul Faris Al Libi. Abu Faris Al

Libi. Marwan. Al Hassari. Abdul Razzaq Hamad. Ibn Mabrukah

Hamad

o Place of Birth: Darna. Libya (LY)

o Date of Birth: 26 }une 1959

o Citizenship: Libya

o Internment Serial Number (ISN): US9LY-000557DP

2. (FOUO) Health: Detainee has a non-specific personality disorder. He has no known drug

allergiesa nd is not on any chronic medications.D etaineeh as latentT uberculosisa nd refuses

treatment. He has no travel restrictions.

3. (S//NF) JTF GTMO Assessment:

a. (S) Recommendation: JTFG TMO recommenddse taineeb e Transferretdo the

Controlo f AnotherC ountryf or ContinuedD etention( TRCD).

b. (S//NF)S ummary: JTFG TMO previouslya ssessedde taineeR etaini n DoD (DoD)o n

23 August2 003.B asedu poni nformationo btaineds inced etainee'psr eviousa ssessmenitt ,is

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JTF GTMO-CG

SUBJECT: Update Recommendation to Transfer to the Control of Another Country for

ContinuedD etention( TRCD) for GuantanamoD etainee,I SN: US9LY-000557DP( S)

now recommended he be Transferred to the Control of Another Country for Continued

Detention (TRCD) to his country of origin (Libya) if a satisfactory agreement can be reached

that allows access to detainee and/or access to exploited intelligence. If a satisfactory

agreement cannot be reached for his continued detention in Libya, he should be retained

under DoD control.

For this updater ecommendation,d etaineei s assesseda s a former member of the Libyan

Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG), a probable member of Al Qaida, and a member of the North

African Extremist Network OIAEN). Detainee used his employment at the Wafa

Humanitarian Organization (AL-Wafa) as a front for extremist activities. It is assessedth is

detaineeis a MEDIUM to HIGH risk, as he is likely to posea threatt o the US, its interests

and allies.

4. (S//NF) Detainee Background Summary: Unlesso therwisen oted,t he following

paragraphs are based solely on the detainee's statements.

a. Prior History: Detainee served as a tank driver in the Libyan armed forces as a private.

The Libyan Govemment states he was addicted to illegal drugs/narcotics and had been

accused of a number of crimes including: murder, physical assault, armed assault, and

distributingn arcotics. He was sentencedto l0 yearsi n prison. In 1993,h e escapedfr om

prison and fled to Egypt. He traveled to Afghanistan (AF) and trained at Usama Bin Laden's

(UBL) Torkham Camp. After participating in the Soviet jihad, he moved to Sudan (SU).

Detaineew orked as a truck driver for Wadi Al-'Aqiq, one of UBL's companiesin Suba,S U.

The Libyan Govemment funher stated detainee joined LIFG and was assigned to the military

committee. Under pressuref rom the Libyan and Sudaneseg ovemments,h e left Sudan

sometime in 1997, using a false Mauritanian passport. He traveled to Pakistan (PK), where

he resided in the area near the Al-Atariyah University/mosque (variants Al Yassir Al

Khayria, Athariya and Atharia) in Peshawar.

b. Training and Activities: In 1998, he withdrew from the LIFG and joined the Taliban

movement (this is likely a reference to Al-Qaida support to the Taliban). He moved to

Peshawawr here he lived with Abu Zayd Al-Tunisi (assessetdo be US9LY-000721). In

2000,h e lived in the tribal region of PeshawarP, K (This is anareau ndert ribal control,n ot

government control. UBL was known to have spent time in this area). He communicated

with likely extremist elements in Afghanistan via radio during this period, indicating a

position of leadership. Around August to November 2001, detainee worked for Al-Wafa in

Kabul, AF. Detainee fought with the Taliban against the Northem Alliance and was

wounded in the leg. He left Kabul around mid-November 2001. Khalid Mahmound Abdul

Al Wahad, US9JO-000589, stated detainee fled to Peshawar, where he likely assisted the

Qadhafi Foundation in relocating extremists and their families. Detainee arrived in Peshawar

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SUBJECT: Update Recommendation to Transfer to the Control of Another Country for

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no later than 4 December 2001, after transiting first through Logar, AF, and then Khowst,

AF.

c. (S) Gapture lnformation: The Pakistani police were tipped off as to detainee's

location by Libyan nationals from the Libyan Humanitarian Organization aka Qadhafi

Organization. In Peshawar,P K, Pakistani Police apprehendedd etaineea t the Plaza Hotel,

where he was staying. Detainee was then turned over to US forces. (Analyst note: The

Qadhafi Organization operated out of the Libyan Embassy and worked to secure

transportation to Libya for any Arab fleeing the region, including Al-Qaida members. There

appeared to have been an agreement between the governments of Libya and Pakistan that

allowed the Pakistanis to interview the Arabs before they left. Detainee was likely detained

by the Pakistani's and turned over to US forces against the Libyan govemment's wishes due

to discrepanciesin his story.)

d. (S) Transferred to JTF GTMO: 5 May 2002

e. (S//NF)R easonsf or Transfert o JTF GTMO: Top rovidein formatioonn t he

following:

o The Al-Wafa Organization

o Al-Wafa officials

o Al-Qaida/Al Wafa relationship and financial operations

5. (S//NF) Detainee Threat:

a. (S) Assessment: It is assessetdh e detaineep osesa MEDIUM to HIGH risk, as he is

likely to posea threatt o the US, its interestsa nd allies.

b. (S//NF)R easonsf or ContinuedD etention:

. (S) Detaineeh as a long-terma ssociationw ith Islamic extremistj ihad and memberso f

Al-Qaida and other extremist groups. Detainee refuses to disclose complete information

regardingh is past,a ssociatesa, nd activities.

. (S//I{F) The Libyan Govemment considers detainee a "dangerous man with no

qualms about committing terrorist acts. He was known as one of the extremist

commanders of the Afghan Arabs." (Analyst note: "The Afghan Arabs" refers to Arab

Mujahideen that elected to stay in Afghanistan and Pakistan following the Soviet Jihad.

In this position detainee would be linked, at least indirectly, to the Taliban, Al-Qaida,

NAEN, and other extremiste lementsi n the region during the mid to late 1990's. He is

)

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SUBJECT: Update Recommendation to Transfer to the Control of Another Country for

ContinuedD etention( TRCD) for GuantanamoD etainee,I SN: US9LY-000557DP( S)

not assessedto have been a senior level commandera nd likely lost or surrenderedh is

leadership role when he left the LIFG community.)

. (S) Detaineei s an associateo f UBL's from Sudan. Al Sheikh,p ossiblya referencet o

Ibn SheikhA l Libi, recommendedd etaineet o UBL. UBL reportedlyk nows detainee's

brotherv ery well. Detaineed rove a truck for one of UBL's companiesw hile living in

Sudan.

. (S) Detaineeh ask nown or suspecteda ssociationsto the following NAEN or LIFG

members: (Analyst note: NAEN is a Tier 0 Counterterrorism Target defined as terrorist

groups which pose a clear and immediate danger to US persons or interests. The LIFG is

a Tier 1 Counterterrorism target defined as terrorist groups, especially those with state

support, that have demonstrated the intention and the capability to attack US persons or

interests.)

o Abdul Latif Al Turki, US9AF-000556

o AbuZar (variant Thar)

o Ashraf Salim Abd Al Sharif, US9LY 000263 (ISN 263)

o Umar Al Libi, US9LY 000695 (ISN 695)

o Abu Nasim Al Tunisi (NAEN Facilitator)

o Abd Al Karim Al Libi

o Abu Hazim Al Libi

o Abu Sulaiman Al Jazairi,

o Abu Tayyib

o Abd Al Latif Al Libi,

o HamzaAl Libi

o Saif Al Libi,

o Abu Za'ah, Abu Wathilh Al Libi.

o (S/AIF) Detaineeh as admitted or has alleged associationsw ith numerouse xtremist

elementsa nd personalitiest,o includet he following:

o Rida Walili, US9EG-000663(I SN 663)

o AbuZayed Al Tunisi (likely ISN 721)

o Ayyub Al Libi, Al-Qaida/LIFG facilitator

o Ansaf Sarraf

o Abu Al Munthir

o Abu Abdullah Al Sadiq

o (S/AIF) Abu Zubaydah, Al-Qaida facilitator, recognized detainee as a former member

of the LIFG. Abu Zubaydah stated he provided detainee with a false Iraqi passport at the

request of Abu Jaffar Al Iraqi in 1999. (Analyst note: Detainee has not acknowledged

these associations.)

. (S) Ibn Sheikh Al Libi, Khaldan camp director and Al-Qaida member, identified

detainee.

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o (S) Ibn Sheikh Al Libi noted detainee worked at the Wafa organization after

having financial difficulties. Abu Zubaydahmet detainee at Ibn Sheikh Al Libi's

guesthousein Kabul in 2000. (Analyst note: There is reporting detaineew as

ostracized from the Libyan community, at which time he came to Wafa seeking

employment. The financial difficulties may have arisen from detainee's falling from

favor in the Libyan community, which would result in losing the monthly stipends

noted in Al-Qaida documentsa nd a subsequennt eed for funds. There is no reporting

on the actual causeo f detainee'sd ecreasedr elations other than his links to Abu

Wathilh Al Libi's group. The need for funds may simply be an aspect of his cover

story to mislead intenogations.)

. (S) Detaineea ssociatedw ith (andw as likely a membero f) Abu Wathilh Al Libi's

group,w hich had splinteredf rom the LIFG due to disagreementsA. l Libi's group was

linked to Abu Zubaydah' s North African network of facilitators. Abu Wathilh Al Libi is

a reported alias for Abdul Latif Al Libi (variant Wathelal, possibly aka Khaled Al

Madaoui), a one-time senior member of the LIFG. Al Libi was known to attend the

Athariyah mosque at approximately the same time detainee is believed to have an

association with the mosque. The detainee introduced Al Libi to NAEN facilitator, Abu

Nasim. Al Libi, a UBL associateh, ad relocatedf rom Pakistant o Afghanistanb y August

2000.

o (S) In November 2000, Abdul Latif (Abu Wathilh Al Libi) was in Europe enroute

to the UK and appeared to have a working relationship with the North African

network in the UK. With the UK as his destination, Abdul Latif likely has

associations with the Doha group and personnel within the extremist mosques such as

Finsbury Park. (Analyst note: The Doha group was an extremist facilitation network

within the UK directedb y Abu Doha. Abu Doha is suspectedo f conspiracyt o

commit terrorist attacks against the US in association with convicted Millennium

plotter Ahmed Ressam.A bu Doha is also suspectedo f being the architect for an

Algerian terrorist network within Europe.)

o (S) Since members of the Algerian terrorist network passed through the mosque

and are known to have traveled to locations in which detainee resided, and since

detainee had a working association with Abdul Latil detainee likely has associations

with NAEN facilitators and recruits as well. The detainee likely served as a conduit

for the NAEN within Wafa.

o (S/A.{F)D etainee'sa liasi s found on a list of probableA l-Qaida personnelr eceiving

monthly stipends.H is aliasw as also found on Al-Qaida's 11 Septembera ttacksf inancier

Mustafa Al Hawsawi's laptop as an Al-Qaida member receiving family support.

Detainee's probable name was found in the pocket litter of Arab Mujahideen who entered

Croatia from Bosnra rn 1996. One of the mujahid who had his pocket litter confiscated

was Isa Muqrin, leader of the Al-Qaida Muqrin cell in Saudi Arabia responsible for the

beheading of US citizenPaul Johnson.

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SUBJECT: Update Recommendation to Transfer to the Control of Another Country for

ContinuedD etention( TRCD) for GuantanamoD etainee,I SN: US9LY-000557DP( S)

o (S/NF) LIFG facilitator Abu Nisim, identified detainee as a neighbor who ran a

Libyan guesthousein Peshawar.

. (S) Detainee uses a variety of counter-interrogation techniques to guide intenogations

and prevent disclosure of information of an incriminating nature. Detainee has willingly

admitted to criminal activity such as drug use, probably in an attempt to show

cooperation,b ut is guardedw hen discussinga ssociatesa nd his activities. There are

numerous inconsistencies and timeline gaps in detainee's story, evident when compared

with other intelligence reporting.

c. (S//NF) Detainee's Conduct: Detainee's behavior has been generally uncooperative

and aggressive. He has been cited numerous times for failure to comply, harassing guards,

and hostile/incitinga ctivity. Detaineeh ad one assaulto n27 July 2003. Detainee'sm ost

recenti ncident involved harassmenot n 7 March 2005.

6. (S//NF)D etaineeI ntelligenceV alueA ssessment:

a. (S) Assessment: JTFG TMOd eterminethdi sd etaineies of HIGHi ntelligencvea lue.

. (S) Detainee has information on Al-Qaida in Sudan and Central Asia. Additionally,

he has information on the facilities,c apabilities,p ersonnel,a nd operationso f the LIFG

and the NAEN.

b. (S/NF) Areas of Potential Exploitation:

o Al-Wafa NGO

o UBL commercial and militant activities in Sudan

o Al-Qaida in Afghanistan and Pakistan

o Training - Torkham Camp, trainers, curriculum

o Athariyah Mosque - use by and support to extremist personnel

o Senior personnel - including Abu Zubaidah, Sheikh Isa, and Isa Muqrin and

relationship to extremist elements and terrorist operations

o LIFG and NAEN

o Personnel

o Facilities and locations - guesthousesP, eshawara nd Tribal Areas of support,

training and logistical facilities, Jalalabad and Kabul support structure

o United Kingdom - Personalities and recruiting operations

o Egressa ssistance- providedt o fleeing Al-Qaida and extremistm embersb y

indigenous and foreign parties including the Qadhafi organization and likely the

Lashkar E Tayyiba based on its historical support

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7. (S) EC Status: Detainee'es nemyc ombatanstt atusw asr eassesseodn 2 Novembe2r 004,

andh e remainsa n enemyc ombatant.

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[mad sweeney]

He has time for this too

Just think of how much he could've accomplished in those 23 seconds.

:graspsatstraws:

That's what this whole "Obama has time for .... But doesn't for ..." is. Grasping and flinging anything in reach. As if he's doing nothing in the hours and minutes you see him doing something else, or his cadre of advisers, assistants, attaches and cabinet members are doing nothing but twiddling their thumbs watching him on Leterman. It's pathetic.

 

[pittstownkiller]

He has time for this too

Just think of how much he could've accomplished in those 23 seconds.

:graspsatstraws:

That's what this whole "Obama has time for .... But doesn't for ..." is. Grasping and flinging anything in reach. As if he's doing nothing in the hours and minutes you see him doing something else, or his cadre of advisers, assistants, attaches and cabinet members are doing nothing but twiddling their thumbs watching him on Leterman. It's pathetic.

Sweeney I think everyone realizes he does something at any given minute but what he does in public is pitiful and lacking; in the wake of the Ambassador's assassination it is disrespectful too.

 

[drummer]

He has time for this too

Just think of how much he could've accomplished in those 23 seconds.

:graspsatstraws:

That's what this whole "Obama has time for .... But doesn't for ..." is. Grasping and flinging anything in reach. As if he's doing nothing in the hours and minutes you see him doing something else, or his cadre of advisers, assistants, attaches and cabinet members are doing nothing but twiddling their thumbs watching him on Leterman. It's pathetic.

Sweeney I think everyone realizes he does something at any given minute but what he does in public is pitiful and lacking; in the wake of the Ambassador's assassination it is disrespectful too.

Jeebus pitts, this is full on poor form. Get real will ya?

 

[pittstownkiller]

He has time for this too

Just think of how much he could've accomplished in those 23 seconds.

:graspsatstraws:

That's what this whole "Obama has time for .... But doesn't for ..." is. Grasping and flinging anything in reach. As if he's doing nothing in the hours and minutes you see him doing something else, or his cadre of advisers, assistants, attaches and cabinet members are doing nothing but twiddling their thumbs watching him on Leterman. It's pathetic.

Sweeney I think everyone realizes he does something at any given minute but what he does in public is pitiful and lacking; in the wake of the Ambassador's assassination it is disrespectful too.

Jeebus pitts, this is full on poor form. Get real will ya?

Sorry Sweeney, I don't see it that way. This story is growing as we speak and the President hasn't skipped a beat campaigning; I think it is disgraceful. You imply that I am making some unfair political attack but I have watched the Administration try to spin this story, and speak in finite terms about it, when their statement don't have merit; they invite the criticism. Their claim of a "spontaneous uprising over a movie clip" has been disproved; the Ambassador being carried through the streets to a hospital is being challenged with reports of him being tortured (and maybe even raped) to death; the news of the suspected leader of this attack was released from gitmo (under the Bush Administration); all while he is visiting Jay-Z and Letterman, I think sends the wrong message

 

[drummer]

He has time for this too

Just think of how much he could've accomplished in those 23 seconds.

:graspsatstraws:

That's what this whole "Obama has time for .... But doesn't for ..." is. Grasping and flinging anything in reach. As if he's doing nothing in the hours and minutes you see him doing something else, or his cadre of advisers, assistants, attaches and cabinet members are doing nothing but twiddling their thumbs watching him on Leterman. It's pathetic.

Sweeney I think everyone realizes he does something at any given minute but what he does in public is pitiful and lacking; in the wake of the Ambassador's assassination it is disrespectful too.

Jeebus pitts, this is full on poor form. Get real will ya?

Sorry Sweeney, I don't see it that way. This story is growing as we speak and the President hasn't skipped a beat campaigning; I think it is disgraceful. You imply that I am making some unfair political attack but I have watched the Administration try to spin this story, and speak in finite terms about it, when their statement don't have merit; they invite the criticism. Their claim of a "spontaneous uprising over a movie clip" has been disproved; the Ambassador being carried through the streets to a hospital is being challenged with reports of him being tortured (and maybe even raped) to death; the news of the suspected leader of this attack was released from gitmo (under the Bush Administration); all while he is visiting Jay-Z and Letterman, I think sends the wrong message

You got the name mixed up here pitts. It's Sad Weeny.

 

[Fennis]

I'm honestly confused on what you have been saying. Is your complaint that a politician is running a campaign for reelection a couple of months before the election? You expect him to suspend his campaign over this?

You don't?

Of course not. I live in reality.

You should invite the President over, it would be nice to see him spend some time there.

from what I hear he is spending too much time on Letterman and seeing J-LO to come over.

 

[pittstownkiller]

I'm honestly confused on what you have been saying. Is your complaint that a politician is running a campaign for reelection a couple of months before the election? You expect him to suspend his campaign over this?

You don't?

Of course not. I live in reality.

You should invite the President over, it would be nice to see him spend some time there.

from what I hear he is spending too much time on Letterman and seeing J-LO to come over.

...and they say Romney is disconnected.

 

[jamny]

He has time for this too

Just think of how much he could've accomplished in those 23 seconds.

:graspsatstraws:

That's what this whole "Obama has time for .... But doesn't for ..." is. Grasping and flinging anything in reach. As if he's doing nothing in the hours and minutes you see him doing something else, or his cadre of advisers, assistants, attaches and cabinet members are doing nothing but twiddling their thumbs watching him on Leterman. It's pathetic.

Sweeney I think everyone realizes he does something at any given minute but what he does in public is pitiful and lacking; in the wake of the Ambassador's assassination it is disrespectful too.

Jeebus pitts, this is full on poor form. Get real will ya?

Sorry Sweeney, I don't see it that way. This story is growing as we speak and the President hasn't skipped a beat campaigning; I think it is disgraceful. You imply that I am making some unfair political attack but I have watched the Administration try to spin this story, and speak in finite terms about it, when their statement don't have merit; they invite the criticism. Their claim of a "spontaneous uprising over a movie clip" has been disproved; the Ambassador being carried through the streets to a hospital is being challenged with reports of him being tortured (and maybe even raped) to death; the news of the suspected leader of this attack was released from gitmo (under the Bush Administration); all while he is visiting Jay-Z and Letterman, I think sends the wrong message

 

[FlapJacks]

A week later and the White House still has no answers?

Still blaming the video? Let's just ignore it and hope it goes away quietly.

Have fun with Jay-Z and Beyonce tonight Mr. President.

Jammy and Sammy must've slept through the 14th I guess. It's not like he snuck them there in the middle of the night, he made a freaking formal declaration to Congress. Way to keep track of current events, or was that one of Rush's talking points today for you guys to parrot?

only took him three days to reach the decision that maybe our security might need a little help?Holy crap, that just makes it look worse for your guy.

There's plenty of unannounced #### going on. Just because Fox doesn't air it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

nobody airs it because too obsessed with attacking what Romney said at a fundraiser to broadcast the real news.Three days is a pretty bad turnaround time. I'm glad he's not my fire chief.

 

[FlapJacks]

.

The french are closing embassies in light of the derogatory cartoon flap.

It's a shame the adminstration wasn't proactive in protecting the Ambassador

Report: Ambassador Stevens Said He Was on an Al-Qaeda Hit List:

http://news.yahoo.com/report-ambassador-stevens-said-al-qaeda-hit-list-100457747.html

 

[fatness]

This story is growing as we speak

Talking Point noted.

 

[RBM]

A week later and the White House still has no answers?

Still blaming the video? Let's just ignore it and hope it goes away quietly.

Have fun with Jay-Z and Beyonce tonight Mr. President.

Jammy and Sammy must've slept through the 14th I guess. It's not like he snuck them there in the middle of the night, he made a freaking formal declaration to Congress. Way to keep track of current events, or was that one of Rush's talking points today for you guys to parrot?

only took him three days to reach the decision that maybe our security might need a little help?Holy crap, that just makes it look worse for your guy.

There's plenty of unannounced #### going on. Just because Fox doesn't air it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

nobody airs it because too obsessed with attacking what Romney said at a fundraiser to broadcast the real news.

 

[cstu]

He has time for this too

Just think of how much he could've accomplished in those 23 seconds.

:graspsatstraws:

That's what this whole "Obama has time for .... But doesn't for ..." is. Grasping and flinging anything in reach. As if he's doing nothing in the hours and minutes you see him doing something else, or his cadre of advisers, assistants, attaches and cabinet members are doing nothing but twiddling their thumbs watching him on Leterman. It's pathetic.

Sweeney I think everyone realizes he does something at any given minute but what he does in public is pitiful and lacking; in the wake of the Ambassador's assassination it is disrespectful too.

Jeebus pitts, this is full on poor form. Get real will ya?

Sorry Sweeney, I don't see it that way. This story is growing as we speak and the President hasn't skipped a beat campaigning; I think it is disgraceful. You imply that I am making some unfair political attack but I have watched the Administration try to spin this story, and speak in finite terms about it, when their statement don't have merit; they invite the criticism. Their claim of a "spontaneous uprising over a movie clip" has been disproved; the Ambassador being carried through the streets to a hospital is being challenged with reports of him being tortured (and maybe even raped) to death; the news of the suspected leader of this attack was released from gitmo (under the Bush Administration); all while he is visiting Jay-Z and Letterman, I think sends the wrong message

WTF?

 

[pittstownkiller]

He has time for this too

Just think of how much he could've accomplished in those 23 seconds.

:graspsatstraws:

That's what this whole "Obama has time for .... But doesn't for ..." is. Grasping and flinging anything in reach. As if he's doing nothing in the hours and minutes you see him doing something else, or his cadre of advisers, assistants, attaches and cabinet members are doing nothing but twiddling their thumbs watching him on Leterman. It's pathetic.

Sweeney I think everyone realizes he does something at any given minute but what he does in public is pitiful and lacking; in the wake of the Ambassador's assassination it is disrespectful too.

Jeebus pitts, this is full on poor form. Get real will ya?

Sorry Sweeney, I don't see it that way. This story is growing as we speak and the President hasn't skipped a beat campaigning; I think it is disgraceful. You imply that I am making some unfair political attack but I have watched the Administration try to spin this story, and speak in finite terms about it, when their statement don't have merit; they invite the criticism. Their claim of a "spontaneous uprising over a movie clip" has been disproved; the Ambassador being carried through the streets to a hospital is being challenged with reports of him being tortured (and maybe even raped) to death; the news of the suspected leader of this attack was released from gitmo (under the Bush Administration); all while he is visiting Jay-Z and Letterman, I think sends the wrong message

WTF?

My reaction too. I have ventured into that story and it leads off of the beaten path, to a place I would rather not go here.

 

[pittstownkiller]

This story is growing as we speak

Talking Point noted.

Really, that is what you think I'm spouting off here? If I am touching on talking points it is either inadvertent or coincidental. There was a time for the Administration to stand up and make noise, they didn't; now they have invited criticism of their actions.

 

[roadkill1292]

I like the low key approach instead of a lotta big talk.

 

[pittstownkiller]

I like the low key approach instead of a lotta big talk.

That's fair but the administration tried to downplay it; there is a difference.

 

[pittstownkiller]

With the White House walking back its comments that the attacks on our Embassy in Libya were a spontaneous demonstration gone awry and finally admitting that they were in fact a premeditated terrorist attack. Unable to quell the constant statements of the intelligence community to the contrary, the White house changed its "official" version. With the President, Hillary Clinton, Press Secretary Carney, and U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. Susan Rice (who after her appearance on Fox News Sunday can kiss her shot as the next Secretary of State goodbye), all doubling-down on the effort to explain this away as an unavoidable casualty of our way of life, the other shoe is dropping. Obama foreign policy numbers are down, which were a strength of his, and the more stringent descriptions by the Administration will now have to be looked at. If Hillary Clinton's comments of Ambassador Stevens' body being carried through the streets by sympathetic Libyans, to find him a hospital, turns out to be that he was dragged through the streets by his murderers; I think she looses all credibility.

 

[fatness]

This story is growing as we speak

Talking Point noted.

Really, that is what you think I'm spouting off here?

Yes, it is. It's election time after all. And I have yet to see what exactly the US (OBAMA!!!!) is supposed to do besides some vagaries about "making a statement".How about this --- we'll invade Iraq. That'll make a statement.

 

[fatness]

With the President, Hillary Clinton, Press Secretary Carney, and U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. Susan Rice (who after her appearance on Fox News Sunday can kiss her shot as the next Secretary of State goodbye), all doubling-down on the effort to explain this away as an unavoidable casualty of our way of life, the other shoe is dropping. Obama foreign policy numbers are down, which were a strength of his, and the more stringent descriptions by the Administration will now have to be looked at. If Hillary Clinton's comments of Ambassador Stevens' body being carried through the streets by sympathetic Libyans, to find him a hospital, turns out to be that he was dragged through the streets by his murderers; I think she looses all credibility.

Talking Points noted.

 

[fatness]

Amid the questions about Stevens’ last minutes, there is another rather vile peripheral debate occurring in the right-wing blogosphere. Michelangelo Signorile from the Huffington Post sums up the various rumors:

1) Ambassador Christopher Stevens was gay; 2) that the Obama administration is responsible for his death because it had the supposedly terrible judgment to send a gay man to an Islamic country, or even did it as an intentional provocation, and; 3) that Stevens’ corpse was dragged outside and sodomized by an angry mob because that’s what Muslims do — they have sex with the dead bodies of gay men.

The gay rumors seem to have originated on Hillbuzz.com, the website of Kevin DuJan, who also believes that President Obama is gay. DuJan uses the very, very shaky sourcing of a “Serbian consulate employee [who] identified himself to me as ‘Dino’ and wouldn’t give me any more of a name than that, but told me it was no secret that Chris Stevens was gay and that ‘it was stupid to send him to Libya as the ambassador when he was a known homosexual.’”

The story was picked up by a number of right-wing blogs, including Breitbart.com, which offers this explanation for why Stevens being gay would be at all relevant: “It just seems like one more way the Obama administration needlessly enraged the passions of protesters in that part of the world.” A blogger for the Examiner even speculates that Stevens was sent by Hillary Clinton as an “intentional provocation” to Libya.

As for the claim that Stevens was raped, that seems to have originated from a story on the Lebanese news outlet Tayyar.org that erroneously cites the AFP, and that was picked up by the Washington Times. The AFP told TWT that the “report falsely quoted our news agency and has no truth whatsover to it.”

link

 

[pittstownkiller]

This story is growing as we speak

Talking Point noted.

Really, that is what you think I'm spouting off here?

Yes, it is. It's election time after all. And I have yet to see what exactly the US (OBAMA!!!!) is supposed to do besides some vagaries about "making a statement".How about this --- we'll invade Iraq. That'll make a statement.

How about this: the Administration says it was an attack immediately - or at least that they don't know exactly what it was - and that it was in response to the killing of UBL and the more recent drone attacks on Al Qaeda leadership; instead they cover their asses by lying while at the same time they do their hand-wringing at memorials for the fallen. About the only criticism if they cite an organized attack in retaliation for our successes against Al Qaeda, is a lack of security that can be explained as that the Embassy's security was overwhelmed by the numbers and security is the responsibility of the host nation; I think that most Americans know that there are still enemies of our country out there and would be understanding of this. The State Department and The Administration really came off badly here.

 

[pittstownkiller]

Amid the questions about Stevens’ last minutes, there is another rather vile peripheral debate occurring in the right-wing blogosphere. Michelangelo Signorile from the Huffington Post sums up the various rumors:

1) Ambassador Christopher Stevens was gay; 2) that the Obama administration is responsible for his death because it had the supposedly terrible judgment to send a gay man to an Islamic country, or even did it as an intentional provocation, and; 3) that Stevens’ corpse was dragged outside and sodomized by an angry mob because that’s what Muslims do — they have sex with the dead bodies of gay men.

The gay rumors seem to have originated on Hillbuzz.com, the website of Kevin DuJan, who also believes that President Obama is gay. DuJan uses the very, very shaky sourcing of a “Serbian consulate employee [who] identified himself to me as ‘Dino’ and wouldn’t give me any more of a name than that, but told me it was no secret that Chris Stevens was gay and that ‘it was stupid to send him to Libya as the ambassador when he was a known homosexual.’”

The story was picked up by a number of right-wing blogs, including Breitbart.com, which offers this explanation for why Stevens being gay would be at all relevant: “It just seems like one more way the Obama administration needlessly enraged the passions of protesters in that part of the world.” A blogger for the Examiner even speculates that Stevens was sent by Hillary Clinton as an “intentional provocation” to Libya.

As for the claim that Stevens was raped, that seems to have originated from a story on the Lebanese news outlet Tayyar.org that erroneously cites the AFP, and that was picked up by the Washington Times. The AFP told TWT that the “report falsely quoted our news agency and has no truth whatsover to it.”

link

These stories seemed so salacious that I ignored them, even though the raping piece has seen some main-stream media play and I referenced it. There is also more casual reporting by the main-stream press that his body was dragged through the streets; juxtapose that with Hillary's comments and you have a Secretary of State (and Administration) that looks clueless.

 

[Sam Quentin]

I've never heard of hillbuzz before, but,clearly, that's despicable and stupid.

Brietbart's site is no stranger to the internet sewer either.

 

[Apple Jack]

Amid the questions about Stevens’ last minutes, there is another rather vile peripheral debate occurring in the right-wing blogosphere. Michelangelo Signorile from the Huffington Post sums up the various rumors:

1) Ambassador Christopher Stevens was gay; 2) that the Obama administration is responsible for his death because it had the supposedly terrible judgment to send a gay man to an Islamic country, or even did it as an intentional provocation, and; 3) that Stevens’ corpse was dragged outside and sodomized by an angry mob because that’s what Muslims do — they have sex with the dead bodies of gay men.

The gay rumors seem to have originated on Hillbuzz.com, the website of Kevin DuJan, who also believes that President Obama is gay. DuJan uses the very, very shaky sourcing of a “Serbian consulate employee [who] identified himself to me as ‘Dino’ and wouldn’t give me any more of a name than that, but told me it was no secret that Chris Stevens was gay and that ‘it was stupid to send him to Libya as the ambassador when he was a known homosexual.’”

The story was picked up by a number of right-wing blogs, including Breitbart.com, which offers this explanation for why Stevens being gay would be at all relevant: “It just seems like one more way the Obama administration needlessly enraged the passions of protesters in that part of the world.” A blogger for the Examiner even speculates that Stevens was sent by Hillary Clinton as an “intentional provocation” to Libya.

As for the claim that Stevens was raped, that seems to have originated from a story on the Lebanese news outlet Tayyar.org that erroneously cites the AFP, and that was picked up by the Washington Times. The AFP told TWT that the “report falsely quoted our news agency and has no truth whatsover to it.”

link

These stories seemed so salacious that I ignored them, even though the raping piece has seen some main-stream media play and I referenced it. There is also more casual reporting by the main-stream press that his body was dragged through the streets; juxtapose that with Hillary's comments and you have a Secretary of State (and Administration) that looks clueless.

"Dragged through the streets", huh?

 

[fatness]

These stories seemed so salacious that I ignored them, even though the raping piece has seen some main-stream media play and I referenced it. There is also more casual reporting by the main-stream press that his body was dragged through the streets; juxtapose that with Hillary's comments and you have a Secretary of State (and Administration) that looks clueless.

Well no, you didn't ignore them. You posted about them to score your political points, depending on people not to check you.

Sorry Sweeney, I don't see it that way. This story is growing as we speak and the President hasn't skipped a beat campaigning; I think it is disgraceful. You imply that I am making some unfair political attack but I have watched the Administration try to spin this story, and speak in finite terms about it, when their statement don't have merit; they invite the criticism. Their claim of a "spontaneous uprising over a movie clip" has been disproved; the Ambassador being carried through the streets to a hospital is being challenged with reports of him being tortured (and maybe even raped) to death; the news of the suspected leader of this attack was released from gitmo (under the Bush Administration); all while he is visiting Jay-Z and Letterman, I think sends the wrong message

Sorry, you don't get to walk away from this. Anyone following the story knows that the completely unsubstantiated "rape" report was circulated earlier, by right wing repeaters, and that the video (and translation) of the ambassador being taken to the hospital became public after that. You reverse the order in your version, depending on people not to check. You also mention the "rape" thing likes it's new and suddenly is part of a growing problem, when in fact it's been known that there was no basis for the "rape" thing for some time now.

Basically you're lying and depending on people not to check you.

 

[fatness]

I've never heard of hillbuzz before, but,clearly, that's despicable and stupid. Brietbart's site is no stranger to the internet sewer either.

It's not surprising that the Washington Times ran with the story either. They're the only paper that ran with the bogus "Nuclear Weapons Found In Iraq" story years ago. They've scrubbed their site of it but that story story and link is still quoted on other sites.On the other hand they do good coverage of the Redskins.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

I've never heard of hillbuzz before, but,clearly, that's despicable and stupid.

Yes she will!

 

[Jackstraw]

Man the crazy meter is going to Defcon Five through the election.

My email inbox is practically foaming at the mouth.

Everybody take a deep breath.

 

[GroveDiesel]

So the Malaysian protestors gave a letter to the US embassy demanding that the makers of the movie be given "maximum sentences."



On a not as funny note, a protestor in that group had a sign warning Obama that Americans were going to die and that they shouldn't be blamed because Obama started it.

Nice rational people there.

 

[Sinn Fein]

So the Malaysian protestors gave a letter to the US embassy demanding that the makers of the movie be given "maximum sentences."



On a not as funny note, a protestor in that group had a sign warning Obama that Americans were going to die and that they shouldn't be blamed because Obama started it.

Nice rational people there.

Republicans?

 

[pittstownkiller]

These stories seemed so salacious that I ignored them, even though the raping piece has seen some main-stream media play and I referenced it. There is also more casual reporting by the main-stream press that his body was dragged through the streets; juxtapose that with Hillary's comments and you have a Secretary of State (and Administration) that looks clueless.

Well no, you didn't ignore them. You posted about them to score your political points, depending on people not to check you.

Sorry Sweeney, I don't see it that way. This story is growing as we speak and the President hasn't skipped a beat campaigning; I think it is disgraceful. You imply that I am making some unfair political attack but I have watched the Administration try to spin this story, and speak in finite terms about it, when their statement don't have merit; they invite the criticism. Their claim of a "spontaneous uprising over a movie clip" has been disproved; the Ambassador being carried through the streets to a hospital is being challenged with reports of him being tortured (and maybe even raped) to death; the news of the suspected leader of this attack was released from gitmo (under the Bush Administration); all while he is visiting Jay-Z and Letterman, I think sends the wrong message

Sorry, you don't get to walk away from this. Anyone following the story knows that the completely unsubstantiated "rape" report was circulated earlier, by right wing repeaters, and that the video (and translation) of the ambassador being taken to the hospital became public after that. You reverse the order in your version, depending on people not to check. You also mention the "rape" thing likes it's new and suddenly is part of a growing problem, when in fact it's been known that there was no basis for the "rape" thing for some time now.

Basically you're lying and depending on people not to check you.

Why the hell would I care if someone checks what I post out, I do not have a vested interest in this; you on the other hand seem to be wound up too tight. I don't have to walk away from anything since I didn't create these reports, nor said they were true, just that if they were the Administration would have to answer for it.

 

[pittstownkiller]

I've never heard of hillbuzz before, but,clearly, that's despicable and stupid.

Brietbart's site is no stranger to the internet sewer either.

It's not surprising that the Washington Times ran with the story either. They're the only paper that ran with the bogus "Nuclear Weapons Found In Iraq" story years ago. They've scrubbed their site of it but that story story and link is still quoted on other sites.On the other hand they do good coverage of the Redskins.

Maybe they aren't as good as billed, either.

 

[17seconds]

Fox News showing Obama on an "Apology Tour"

Probably been discussed (haven't read this whole thread) but I really don't get where the US has made any apology.

If your wife accuses you of cheating on her and your response is "That is a horrible thing and I've got nothing to do with it" is that an apology?

 

[pittstownkiller]

Fox News showing Obama on an "Apology Tour"Probably been discussed (haven't read this whole thread) but I really don't get where the US has made any apology.If your wife accuses you of cheating on her and your response is "That is a horrible thing and I've got nothing to do with it" is that an apology?

I think the analogy you should try is: would you understand the crime of a man who raped your wife because she is so attractive?

 

[Rohn Jambo]

You would rather us invade Sudan and Tunisia then withdraw our non essential personnel?

The critics of Obama in this thread have no idea what they want, other than to criticize Obama. I have yet to read a single one of them explain: this is specifically what Obama did wrong, and this is specifically what I would have done instead, and here's how the situation would have improved.

We have a Marine Corps Embassy Security Group who protects our embassies oversea. Sudan basically told our Command In Chief that he could not send the marines in to do their job. Anyone with half a brain can see that something is very wrong with this picture when Sudan can have this kind of veto power over our President.

1. Do you believe that it is the proper job of the POTUS to decide how many Marines should be placed at each of our embassies? 2. I'll ask my question again: what would YOU have specifically done as CIC, and what would have resulted differently? Please explain in detail.

As CIC I would make sure that our diplomats are adequately protected at all times, especially in countries with hostile elements. I would make sure the State Dept. has good plans in place in case of a uprising. I'd put up pictures of Mohammed the prophet on all the embassy walls immediately.

I would coorporate with the local government but not fully trust their BS after an incident that is clearly an inside job. In fact, I expect to get reliable intel from the CIA. I would have a clear idea on who was the mastermind, how to tell if the usual suspects that the local government arrested were really involved in the attack, and what to do to with them to bring justice to Americans who were killed.

But all of that is moot because if I were POTUS, this whole incident would not have happened in the first place.

I already texted Obama on how to be POTUS but he is too proud and stubborn to follow my step-by-step instructions. He basically has one strategy when it comes to foreign policy. Wait for someone o give him another undeserving Nobel Peace Prize or, if the #### hits the fan, throw Hillary under the bus.

 

[Fennis]

You would rather us invade Sudan and Tunisia then withdraw our non essential personnel?

The critics of Obama in this thread have no idea what they want, other than to criticize Obama. I have yet to read a single one of them explain: this is specifically what Obama did wrong, and this is specifically what I would have done instead, and here's how the situation would have improved.

We have a Marine Corps Embassy Security Group who protects our embassies oversea. Sudan basically told our Command In Chief that he could not send the marines in to do their job. Anyone with half a brain can see that something is very wrong with this picture when Sudan can have this kind of veto power over our President.

1. Do you believe that it is the proper job of the POTUS to decide how many Marines should be placed at each of our embassies? 2. I'll ask my question again: what would YOU have specifically done as CIC, and what would have resulted differently? Please explain in detail.

As CIC I would make sure that our diplomats are adequately protected at all times, especially in countries with hostile elements. I would make sure the State Dept. has good plans in place in case of a uprising. I'd put up pictures of Mohammed the prophet on all the embassy walls immediately.

I would coorporate with the local government but not fully trust their BS after an incident that is clearly an inside job. In fact, I expect to get reliable intel from the CIA. I would have a clear idea on who was the mastermind, how to tell if the usual suspects that the local government arrested were really involved in the attack, and what to do to with them to bring justice to Americans who were killed.

But all of that is moot because if I were POTUS, this whole incident would not have happened in the first place.

Maybe try posting on his facebook.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

You would rather us invade Sudan and Tunisia then withdraw our non essential personnel?

The critics of Obama in this thread have no idea what they want, other than to criticize Obama. I have yet to read a single one of them explain: this is specifically what Obama did wrong, and this is specifically what I would have done instead, and here's how the situation would have improved.

We have a Marine Corps Embassy Security Group who protects our embassies oversea. Sudan basically told our Command In Chief that he could not send the marines in to do their job. Anyone with half a brain can see that something is very wrong with this picture when Sudan can have this kind of veto power over our President.

1. Do you believe that it is the proper job of the POTUS to decide how many Marines should be placed at each of our embassies? 2. I'll ask my question again: what would YOU have specifically done as CIC, and what would have resulted differently? Please explain in detail.

As CIC I would make sure that our diplomats are adequately protected at all times, especially in countries with hostile elements. I would make sure the State Dept. has good plans in place in case of a uprising. I'd put up pictures of Mohammed the prophet on all the embassy walls immediately.

I would coorporate with the local government but not fully trust their BS after an incident that is clearly an inside job. In fact, I expect to get reliable intel from the CIA. I would have a clear idea on who was the mastermind, how to tell if the usual suspects that the local government arrested were really involved in the attack, and what to do to with them to bring justice to Americans who were killed.

But all of that is moot because if I were POTUS, this whole incident would not have happened in the first place.

Oh, he got my text alright because he was too dumb to understand the instructions and had to send me a bat signal through the media. Link"What kind of inside job is he talking about?"