U.S. Ambassador to Libya Killed in Rocket Attack (1 Viewer)

[Todd Andrews]

I do feel some sympathy for the right-wingers out there.

Every single "hero" they find turns out to be some sort of black-helicopter racist nutjob or just laughably stupid. And every single story they cling to, fingertips-on-the-edge-of-a-cliff-style, crumbles to sand in their hands.

But you can't exactly let go since you'd have to admit that the Cliffs of Tyranny that you've been hanging from for six years are actually three feet off the ground.

It's a true cognitive dilemma.

DONT LOOK DOWN!!!!!!!!1

 

[Rove!]

So the guy who led the attack participated in the violence told people the attack the spontaneous protest was in part a response reflexive reaction to the video, and Saints and Co. are STILL arguing?

Claud have mercy....

fyp

 

[Rove!]

That article is ugly. Really ugly hate going on here.

And its also false.

http://m.politico.com/iphone/blog/0614/190551.html

Also doesn't excuse Obama, Hillary and co from contriving an equally racist narrative for the events in Benghazi

 

[Hang 10]

It takes 2 years to find one single suspect and you guys are doing a victory lap? This president has truly set the bar low.

 

[Chaka]

So the guy who led the attack participated in the violence told people the attack the spontaneous protest was in part a response reflexive reaction to the video, and Saints and Co. are STILL arguing?

Claud have mercy....

fyp

Wow, man. Just...wow.

 

[Chaka]

It takes 2 years to find one single suspect and you guys are doing a victory lap? This president has truly set the bar low.

The desperation is strong with this one.

 

[Rove!]

Apparently this guy wasn't hard to find. When CNN interviewed him, he said that nobody from the FBI or investigative team had tried to find him or ask him questions, but he was willing to talk if asked.....

 

[matuski]

I do feel some sympathy for the right-wingers out there.

Every single "hero" they find turns out to be some sort of black-helicopter racist nutjob or just laughably stupid. And every single story they cling to, fingertips-on-the-edge-of-a-cliff-style, crumbles to sand in their hands.

But you can't exactly let go since you'd have to admit that the Cliffs of Tyranny that you've been hanging from for six years are actually three feet off the ground.

It's a true cognitive dilemma.

The solution? Find a reasonable, moderate, center-right leader.

There are so many of us who would probably be voting Republican if they could get away from the nutjobs on the extreme end of the spectrum. Give up your conspiracy theories and lighten up on your social politics and you have a HUGE swing in your direction with the voters (including me).

Instead you guys keep digging a deeper hole by allowing people like Rush, Hannity, Beck, Coulter, Palin, Oreilly, etc. to be your compass. At this point I'm not sure how much worse it can get for you.

 

[Rove!]

So the guy who led the attack participated in the violence told people the attack the spontaneous protest was in part a response reflexive reaction to the video, and Saints and Co. are STILL arguing?

Claud have mercy....

fyp

Wow, man. Just...wow.

I know, right? It's simply amazing the disparity in the narrative and yet Gunz still thinks this is some kind of gotcha....it's simply deliusional

 

[Rove!]

I do feel some sympathy for the right-wingers out there.

Every single "hero" they find turns out to be some sort of black-helicopter racist nutjob or just laughably stupid. And every single story they cling to, fingertips-on-the-edge-of-a-cliff-style, crumbles to sand in their hands.

But you can't exactly let go since you'd have to admit that the Cliffs of Tyranny that you've been hanging from for six years are actually three feet off the ground.

It's a true cognitive dilemma.

The solution? Find a reasonable, moderate, center-right leader.

Like Romney? Like McCain?

 

[matuski]

I do feel some sympathy for the right-wingers out there.

Every single "hero" they find turns out to be some sort of black-helicopter racist nutjob or just laughably stupid. And every single story they cling to, fingertips-on-the-edge-of-a-cliff-style, crumbles to sand in their hands.

But you can't exactly let go since you'd have to admit that the Cliffs of Tyranny that you've been hanging from for six years are actually three feet off the ground.

It's a true cognitive dilemma.

The solution? Find a reasonable, moderate, center-right leader.

Like Romney? Like McCain?

Like I said.. I'm not sure how much worse it can get for you. Sorry buddy.

 

[pantagrapher]

Final take. This is just another lie.

If this dude says he participated in the attack in part because of the video, then we're going to face a tinfoil shortage.

 

[Rove!]

I do feel some sympathy for the right-wingers out there.

Every single "hero" they find turns out to be some sort of black-helicopter racist nutjob or just laughably stupid. And every single story they cling to, fingertips-on-the-edge-of-a-cliff-style, crumbles to sand in their hands.

But you can't exactly let go since you'd have to admit that the Cliffs of Tyranny that you've been hanging from for six years are actually three feet off the ground.

It's a true cognitive dilemma.

The solution? Find a reasonable, moderate, center-right leader.

Like Romney? Like McCain?

Like I said.. I'm not sure how much worse it can get for you. Sorry buddy.

Romney and McCain were not center right?

Do you see Christie as center-right?

 

[Rove!]

Here's the CNN interview with the "suspect"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdtAcanVUu4

 

[Rove!]

Final take. This is just another lie.

If this dude says he participated in the attack in part because of the video, then we're going to face a tinfoil shortage.

It still differs vastly with the racist narrative the administration tried to sell us for two weeks and the facts the the administration already knew...

 

[dozer]

It takes 2 years to find one single suspect and you guys are doing a victory lap? This president has truly set the bar low.

Plus he wasn't even born here.

 

[Rove!]

more from CNN:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQhfCBRmFK8

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Saints you're reaching here. THEY WERE CONFUSED. They has contradictory information. There was no deliberate lying and no deliberate coverup. There is no scandal. Why are we still going over this?

Tim I've never said there was a coverup.

(and btw there is no such thing as a non-deliberate coverup).

I'm saying this is the same krewe that didn't realize their healthcare website had glitches. Totally disconnected from reality.

(Wasn't saying that about Tim btw).

 

[Henry Ford]

I do feel some sympathy for the right-wingers out there.

Every single "hero" they find turns out to be some sort of black-helicopter racist nutjob or just laughably stupid. And every single story they cling to, fingertips-on-the-edge-of-a-cliff-style, crumbles to sand in their hands.

But you can't exactly let go since you'd have to admit that the Cliffs of Tyranny that you've been hanging from for six years are actually three feet off the ground.

It's a true cognitive dilemma.

The solution? Find a reasonable, moderate, center-right leader.

There are so many of us who would probably be voting Republican if they could get away from the nutjobs on the extreme end of the spectrum. Give up your conspiracy theories and lighten up on your social politics and you have a HUGE swing in your direction with the voters (including me).

Instead you guys keep digging a deeper hole by allowing people like Rush, Hannity, Beck, Coulter, Palin, Oreilly, etc. to be your compass. At this point I'm not sure how much worse it can get for you.

Seriously. If the Republican party stopped caring about what happens in people's bedrooms, or who they marry, or what they're smoking and became true actual fiscal conservatives again, not just "fiscal conservatives when it comes to Democrat ideas" I'd be very easily swayed to vote Republican. I think lots of people would. Hell, if Chris Christie changed his views on medical marijuana and gay marriage, he'd be a lock for my vote against any Democratic candidate I hear bandied about right now.

Unfortunately, the "leadership" of the Republican party came up through the ranks with a base of nutjobs. They're not going to commit political suicide by getting back to basics.

 

[msommer]

Apparently this guy wasn't hard to find. When CNN interviewed him, he said that nobody from the FBI or investigative team had tried to find him or ask him questions, but he was willing to talk if asked.....

I guess he is being asked right around now. With a towel and a bucket of water

 

[Sand]

http://www.dailykos....ha-just-kidding

With suspect under arrest, GOP finally decides to praise Obama on Benghazi. Ha ha, just kidding

By Jed Lewiston for Daily Kos

Ayotte is no better, releasing a statement in which she suggested the administration was more concerned with legal process than protecting the nation:

Ayotte has absolutely zero evidence to suggest that the Obama administration is doing anything that would make future attacks more likely, but that didn't stop her from raising the possibility that the president is effectively on the terrorists' side. And both Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell and House Speaker John Boehner are saying the same thing.

Rather than rushing to read him his Miranda rights and telling him he has the right to remain silent, I hope the administration will focus on collecting the intelligence necessary to prevent future attacks and to find other terrorists responsible for the Benghazi attacks.

Unreal. First of all they have no idea if we are doing everything we can to extract information from the guy, and I would be willing to bet all the money in Otis' wallet that we are. Considering how wrong they have been about so many of their horrible accusations they should probably shut up about that one. But to be critical of upholding due process goes beyond pathetic and enters the realm of terrifying.

I don't think it would take much more than a sneeze for these guys to start clamoring for torture of American citizens.

Huzzah. We captured a guy who had been out in the open for two years and had given interviews to CNN, Fox, and the NYT. Quite a coup for the admin here.

Nice timing, too. As if the plan was to counterbalance the release of five terrorists with this one capture. Nah, couldn't be that obvious, could it?

 

[Sand]

Saints you're reaching here. THEY WERE CONFUSED. They has contradictory information. There was no deliberate lying and no deliberate coverup. There is no scandal. Why are we still going over this?

Tim I've never said there was a coverup.

(and btw there is no such thing as a non-deliberate coverup).

I'm saying this is the same krewe that didn't realize their healthcare website had glitches. Totally disconnected from reality.

krewe?

New Orleans expression:

"krewe" - a band of jesters and fools who must be joking.

http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/k945.com/files/2014/02/Jester-Float-472x630.jpg

Why consort with these heathens who don't know what krewe means?

 

[timschochet]

I do feel some sympathy for the right-wingers out there.

Every single "hero" they find turns out to be some sort of black-helicopter racist nutjob or just laughably stupid. And every single story they cling to, fingertips-on-the-edge-of-a-cliff-style, crumbles to sand in their hands.

But you can't exactly let go since you'd have to admit that the Cliffs of Tyranny that you've been hanging from for six years are actually three feet off the ground.

It's a true cognitive dilemma.

The solution? Find a reasonable, moderate, center-right leader.

Like Romney? Like McCain?

Like I said.. I'm not sure how much worse it can get for you. Sorry buddy.

Romney and McCain were not center right?

Do you see Christie as center-right?

Both of those fine gentlemen were forced to campaign far to the right of where they should have been. By the time the Republican nomination process was over, the "center" part of center-right had vanished. It will be the same for Christie if he runs and intends to win the nomination.

 

[tommyboy]

I do feel some sympathy for the right-wingers out there.

Every single "hero" they find turns out to be some sort of black-helicopter racist nutjob or just laughably stupid. And every single story they cling to, fingertips-on-the-edge-of-a-cliff-style, crumbles to sand in their hands.

But you can't exactly let go since you'd have to admit that the Cliffs of Tyranny that you've been hanging from for six years are actually three feet off the ground.

It's a true cognitive dilemma.

The solution? Find a reasonable, moderate, center-right leader.

There are so many of us who would probably be voting Republican if they could get away from the nutjobs on the extreme end of the spectrum. Give up your conspiracy theories and lighten up on your social politics and you have a HUGE swing in your direction with the voters (including me).

Instead you guys keep digging a deeper hole by allowing people like Rush, Hannity, Beck, Coulter, Palin, Oreilly, etc. to be your compass. At this point I'm not sure how much worse it can get for you.

it always amuses me when a liberal gives advice to how the conservatives should operate.

 

[matuski]

I do feel some sympathy for the right-wingers out there.

Every single "hero" they find turns out to be some sort of black-helicopter racist nutjob or just laughably stupid. And every single story they cling to, fingertips-on-the-edge-of-a-cliff-style, crumbles to sand in their hands.

But you can't exactly let go since you'd have to admit that the Cliffs of Tyranny that you've been hanging from for six years are actually three feet off the ground.

It's a true cognitive dilemma.

The solution? Find a reasonable, moderate, center-right leader.

There are so many of us who would probably be voting Republican if they could get away from the nutjobs on the extreme end of the spectrum. Give up your conspiracy theories and lighten up on your social politics and you have a HUGE swing in your direction with the voters (including me).

Instead you guys keep digging a deeper hole by allowing people like Rush, Hannity, Beck, Coulter, Palin, Oreilly, etc. to be your compass. At this point I'm not sure how much worse it can get for you.

it always amuses me when a liberal gives advice to how the conservatives should operate.

More amusing to label someone something you know they are not in order to dodge the issue.And predictable to ignore the message when it slaps you upside the head.

 

[tommyboy]

I do feel some sympathy for the right-wingers out there.

Every single "hero" they find turns out to be some sort of black-helicopter racist nutjob or just laughably stupid. And every single story they cling to, fingertips-on-the-edge-of-a-cliff-style, crumbles to sand in their hands.

But you can't exactly let go since you'd have to admit that the Cliffs of Tyranny that you've been hanging from for six years are actually three feet off the ground.

It's a true cognitive dilemma.

The solution? Find a reasonable, moderate, center-right leader.

There are so many of us who would probably be voting Republican if they could get away from the nutjobs on the extreme end of the spectrum. Give up your conspiracy theories and lighten up on your social politics and you have a HUGE swing in your direction with the voters (including me).

Instead you guys keep digging a deeper hole by allowing people like Rush, Hannity, Beck, Coulter, Palin, Oreilly, etc. to be your compass. At this point I'm not sure how much worse it can get for you.

it always amuses me when a liberal gives advice to how the conservatives should operate.

More amusing to knowingly label someone something you know they are not in order to dodge the issue.

And predictable to ignore the message when it slaps you upside the head.

nothing you say slaps me upside the head.

 

[matuski]

I do feel some sympathy for the right-wingers out there.

Every single "hero" they find turns out to be some sort of black-helicopter racist nutjob or just laughably stupid. And every single story they cling to, fingertips-on-the-edge-of-a-cliff-style, crumbles to sand in their hands.

But you can't exactly let go since you'd have to admit that the Cliffs of Tyranny that you've been hanging from for six years are actually three feet off the ground.

It's a true cognitive dilemma.

The solution? Find a reasonable, moderate, center-right leader.

There are so many of us who would probably be voting Republican if they could get away from the nutjobs on the extreme end of the spectrum. Give up your conspiracy theories and lighten up on your social politics and you have a HUGE swing in your direction with the voters (including me).

Instead you guys keep digging a deeper hole by allowing people like Rush, Hannity, Beck, Coulter, Palin, Oreilly, etc. to be your compass. At this point I'm not sure how much worse it can get for you.

it always amuses me when a liberal gives advice to how the conservatives should operate.

More amusing to knowingly label someone something you know they are not in order to dodge the issue.

And predictable to ignore the message when it slaps you upside the head.

nothing you say slaps me upside the head.

True, that hole you are standing in is pretty deep.

 

[timschochet]

Anyhow, can we move on to more important stuff, or is the House still going to waste everyone's time with more hearings on this?

 

[Rove!]

So, why was an alleged mastermind never questioned by officials for nearly two years? It seems he was more than willing to give interviews.

Another question that I hope the committee can find a satisfactory answer for...

 

[pantagrapher]

So, why was an alleged mastermind never questioned by officials for nearly two years? It seems he was more than willing to give interviews.

Another question that I hope the committee can find a satisfactory answer for...

Dude.

 

[Chaka]

I do feel some sympathy for the right-wingers out there.

Every single "hero" they find turns out to be some sort of black-helicopter racist nutjob or just laughably stupid. And every single story they cling to, fingertips-on-the-edge-of-a-cliff-style, crumbles to sand in their hands.

But you can't exactly let go since you'd have to admit that the Cliffs of Tyranny that you've been hanging from for six years are actually three feet off the ground.

It's a true cognitive dilemma.

The solution? Find a reasonable, moderate, center-right leader.

Like Romney? Like McCain?

Like I said.. I'm not sure how much worse it can get for you. Sorry buddy.

Romney and McCain were not center right?

Do you see Christie as center-right?

Both of those fine gentlemen were forced to campaign far to the right of where they should have been. By the time the Republican nomination process was over, the "center" part of center-right had vanished. It will be the same for Christie if he runs and intends to win the nomination.

So sad but so very true. It's a shame really.

 

[Chaka]

http://www.dailykos....ha-just-kidding

With suspect under arrest, GOP finally decides to praise Obama on Benghazi. Ha ha, just kidding

By Jed Lewiston for Daily Kos

Ayotte is no better, releasing a statement in which she suggested the administration was more concerned with legal process than protecting the nation:

Ayotte has absolutely zero evidence to suggest that the Obama administration is doing anything that would make future attacks more likely, but that didn't stop her from raising the possibility that the president is effectively on the terrorists' side. And both Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell and House Speaker John Boehner are saying the same thing.

Rather than rushing to read him his Miranda rights and telling him he has the right to remain silent, I hope the administration will focus on collecting the intelligence necessary to prevent future attacks and to find other terrorists responsible for the Benghazi attacks.

Unreal. First of all they have no idea if we are doing everything we can to extract information from the guy, and I would be willing to bet all the money in Otis' wallet that we are. Considering how wrong they have been about so many of their horrible accusations they should probably shut up about that one. But to be critical of upholding due process goes beyond pathetic and enters the realm of terrifying.

I don't think it would take much more than a sneeze for these guys to start clamoring for torture of American citizens.

Huzzah. We captured a guy who had been out in the open for two years and had given interviews to CNN, Fox, and the NYT. Quite a coup for the admin here.

Nice timing, too. As if the plan was to counterbalance the release of five terrorists with this one capture. Nah, couldn't be that obvious, could it?

 

[Chaka]

Anyhow, can we move on to more important stuff, or is the House still going to waste everyone's time with more hearings on this?

Of course not you fool, they have to save time to try and repeal the ACA for the 5 millionth time.

 

[tommyGunZ]

When do the apologies to Susan Rice start?

 

[BigSteelThrill]

When do the apologies to Susan Rice start?

We shall see if they have an honorable bone in their bodies regarding that. Including this forum.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Rice, 9/16/12:

But our current best assessment, based on the information that we have at present, is that, in fact, what this began as, it was a spontaneous -- not a premeditated -- response to what had transpired in Cairo. In Cairo, as you know, a few hours earlier, there was a violent protest that was undertaken in reaction to this very offensive video that was disseminated.

We believe that folks in Benghazi, a small number of people came to the embassy to -- or to the consulate, rather, to replicate the sort of challenge that was posed in Cairo. And then as that unfolded, it seems to have been hijacked, let us say, by some individual clusters of extremists who came with heavier weapons, weapons that as you know in -- in the wake of the revolution in Libya are -- are quite common and accessible. And it then evolved from there.

That is still inaccurate, and it was at the time based on WH intelligence, per the emails, per the Senate report, per Hillary's own book. Nothing has changed there.

Obama 2 weeks after the incident at the UN:

And that is what we saw play out in the last two weeks, where a crude and disgusting video sparked outrage throughout the Muslim world. Now, I have made it clear that the United States government had nothing to do with this video, and I believe its message must be rejected by all who respect our common humanity. It is an insult not only to Muslims, but to America as well.

We understand why people take offense to this video because millions of our citizens are among them. I know there are some who ask why don't we just ban such a video.

I don't think Rice looks any better after the arrest or after the NYT reporting, it really just confirms more and more that there was no spontaneous protest to this at all.

And the NYT report posted here recently is a rehash of the same, singular report that has been posted here weeks before when it first came out. Tim and I and maybe a couple others discussed it. What is newly discussed here is that when asked himself Khuttala personally (and by the way several journalists were able to talk to him personally out in the open, while our government was doing what about him?) said he did not necessarily think the video was offensive, per the NYT.

In an interview days after the attack, he pointedly declined to say whether he believed an offense such as the anti-Islamic video might indeed warrant the destruction of the diplomatic mission or the killing of the ambassador. “From a religious point of view, it is hard to say whether it is good or bad,” he said.

As for Obama (and somewhere in this thread someone posted a summary of all the times Obama referred to the video & spontaneous protest element of this) repeatedly talking about the video leading right up to his speech two weeks later at the UN, those descriptions are completely ridiculous.

So anyway take your shots, but that's what the record shows.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Just one more point about the video to my liberal, progressive and agnostic or aetheist friends:

- in that movie Sam Basile talked about the absurdity, the ridiculousness of the stories about Mohammed and the koran.

People here talk all the time about the absurdity of religion and the "stories" and "fairy tales" supposedly told in its holy books.

That was the world class crime that Obama spoke of, the (as Obama described it) "very offensive," "disgusting," obscene movie that Basile made. It is committed on these boards all the time.

This is a post from the Iraq thread:

Nothing worse than a bunch of people who think their interpretation of a 1500 year-old magic book of fairy tales is better than another group's interpretation of a 1500 year-old magic book of fairy tales, except when one group's interpretation includes the requirement to kill members of the other group.

That was essentially Basile's point, because as we all know muslim extremists have been attempting to ethnically cleanse Coptic Christians from Egypt for some time now. That is why Basile and many other Coptic Christians are in this country today, for refuge.

I find it remarkable that this justification, laid out by our own president, condemning this man Basile to the world, and to muslim peoples, saying essentially just 'hey we think you're right you just went about it the wrong way' is really appalling, and then jailing the man? It is just un-American and it's really terrible from a liberal point of view, which - in comparison to most of the rest of the world - we all share as a relative matter.

 

[Apple Jack]

I feel more comfortable poking a bag of clothes than poking a hornets nest. I'm an irrational hypocrite like that.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Huzzah. We captured a guy who had been out in the open for two years and had given interviews to CNN, Fox, and the NYT. Quite a coup for the admin here.

Nice timing, too. As if the plan was to counterbalance the release of five terrorists with this one capture. Nah, couldn't be that obvious, could it?

Strike up the wingnut noise machine. From the look of things Sand got the memo.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

That article is ugly. Really ugly hate going on here.

And its also false.

http://m.politico.com/iphone/blog/0614/190551.html

Dana Milbank slaps the ever living #### out of Politico.

 

[timschochet]

Saints, I don't understand either of your last two posts. It's being reported everywhere now that the guy we just captured says the video was a motivation for the attack. In your first post you seem intent on denying that. But apparently the guy said it!

In your second post you seem to want to defend the content of the video. But how is that relevant to the discussion?

 

[Rove!]

Thanks for doing the lifting, but I'm convinced that Gunz and Thrill have to just be trolling.

 

[Rove!]

Saints, I don't understand either of your last two posts. It's being reported everywhere now that the guy we just captured says the video was a motivation for the attack. In your first post you seem intent on denying that. But apparently the guy said it!

In your second post you seem to want to defend the content of the video. But how is that relevant to the discussion?

It was a planned attack, not a spontaneous protest gone awry which is the racist stereotype that Susan Rice invoked

did you expect him to watch the video and have a smile on his face?

 

[Chaka]

Love how Ham Rove is desperately trying to deploy the race card. Good shtick.

Keep on trucking Ham Rove!

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Saints, I don't understand either of your last two posts. It's being reported everywhere now that the guy we just captured says the video was a motivation for the attack. In your first post you seem intent on denying that. But apparently the guy said it!

In your second post you seem to want to defend the content of the video. But how is that relevant to the discussion?

It's two different posts.

The first one: how about this, post a link that mentions the point you mention. If it's sourced my guess is it sources to the NYT report, which is the same guy who did the prior NYT report, which you and I discussed. The NYT reporter mentions two or so second hand people who says Khatallah was motivated by the video. You and I and maybe 1-2 others actually discussed this a few weeks ago. The same reporter in the same report quotes Khatallah himself as saying it was not a factor.

On the second: No one liberal here - and I say this is in the best, most complimentary way of the word, considering myself (and nearly all Americans, contrary to what the president says) a liberal on this point - wants to address the nature of the video and the president's (and Rice's) characterizations of it. It's relevant to the discussion because it shows the president's hyper-obssession with it and his complete mishandling and misinterpretation of the events.

 

[matuski]

It's relevant to the discussion because it shows the president's hyper-obssession with it and his complete mishandling of the events.

Does the pattern look familiar? Nutjobs work themselves into a frenzy on some issue that only they ever cared about in the first place, Obama pulls the rug out from under them, nutjobs look ridiculous because they double down on their losing position that nobody ever cared about anyway.

Broken record. Obama has it down to an art.

 

[Apple Jack]

It's relevant to the discussion because it shows the president's hyper-obssession with it and his complete mishandling of the events.

Does the pattern look familiar? Nutjobs work themselves into a frenzy on some issue that only they ever cared about in the first place, Obama pulls the rug out from under them, nutjobs look ridiculous because they double down on their losing position that nobody ever cared about anyway.

Broken record. Obama has it down to an art.

Yep. It's beginning to take on an almost Charlie brown/football thing, if not for the fact that it's the jackasses ending up on their butts rather than taking away the football.

 

[pantagrapher]

It was a planned attack, not a spontaneous protest gone awry which is the racist stereotype that Susan Rice invoked

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

It's relevant to the discussion because it shows the president's hyper-obssession with it and his complete mishandling of the events.

Does the pattern look familiar? Nutjobs work themselves into a frenzy on some issue that only they ever cared about in the first place, Obama pulls the rug out from under them, nutjobs look ridiculous because they double down on their losing position that nobody ever cared about anyway.

Broken record. Obama has it down to an art.

Mat, when I wrote that, I thought that may be the response, but that's ok. Yeah I think Obama defenders are as hyper-obssessed about making this a "conspiracy" discussion as his opponents.

What do you think of the president's comments about the movie? Would you not describe these comments as "obsessive" and completely off base from a liberal viewpoint?

a crude and disgusting video

Do you personally think it's disgusting? Why?

I believe its message must be rejected by all who respect our common humanity

Really.

It is an insult not only to Muslims, but to America as well

Why is this movie an insult to America?

We understand why people take offense to this video because millions of our citizens are among them.

Where does he get this?

I know there are some who ask why we don’t just ban such a video

Who in America, again?

Like me, the majority of Americans are Christian, and yet we do not ban blasphemy against our most sacred beliefs.

(The movie was "blasphemy"? To whom? Which sacred beliefs?)

Americans have fought and died around the globe to protect the right of all people to express their views, even views that we profoundly disagree with.

(Who in America profoundly disagrees with the movie?)

hateful speech

(Is it?)

• "There are no words that excuse the killing of innocents."

(The name of the movie is "Innocence of Muslims". What's funny is that Egyptian muslims have been killing Egyptian Christians.)

• "In this modern world with modern technologies, for us to respond in that way to hateful speech empowers any individual who engages in such speech to create chaos around the world."

(Basile created "chaos"? You agree with that?)

• "We do not expect other nations to agree with us on every issue, nor do we assume that the violence of the past weeks or the hateful speech by some individuals represent the views of the overwhelming majority of Muslims, any more than the views of the people who produced this video represents those of Americans."

I don't think most Americans think the koran is "real". Neither does Basile.

• "The future must not belong to those who target Coptic Christians in Egypt -- it must be claimed by those in Tahrir Square who chanted, “Muslims, Christians, we are one.”

Did this actually happen?

• "The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam."

Who "slandered" whom? Basile slandered Mohammed? And we're saying Mohammed is an actual "prophet"? Most Americans don't believe any of that.

>>> Obsession begets obsession.

 

[Rove!]

No use having a discussion with folks who seem to have no ability for critical thinking

I remember on the old RSFF board when somebody posted a thread about how mediocre Fred Taylor was and how James Stewart was going to steal half his carries because he was the better back. He never made any Indication the FT might get hurt (this was before FT got labeled fragile). FT opens the year as the starter and takes the lion's share of the carries. Then FT, gets hurt and Stewart gets some carries. OP is like "see, I told you so" No matter how much you explained to him that what actually happened is not what he actually wrote, he clung to Stewart getting carries due to injury as some kind of vindication.

Matuski, Pants (expected better from him) and Hack and the trolls are just being willfully foolish here. It's getting to be like a Monty Python skit.