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UDFA Class Grades - AFC (1 Viewer)
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Area51Inhabitant
Footballguy
Great work.
Just a minor editing note. Baltimore has a nice write up but it looks like you forgot to include their grade. Sounds like an A or A+ though?
Just a minor editing note. Baltimore has a nice write up but it looks like you forgot to include their grade. Sounds like an A or A+ though?
A - thanks!
prymetyme25
Footballguy
That would be tyght.
JoeSteeler
Footballguy
Came in here to post this. All-American wrestler for Kent State. Link to Akron beacon Journal article if anyone is interested.
-baller
Footballguy
Q: Can you talk about Jermail Porter and his situation compared to Stephen Neal’s? What does wrestling bring to the table?
BB: It’s hard to compare two guys that haven’t played football to playing football. When we brought Steve in, we started him on the defensive side of the ball and eventually moved him to the offensive side of the ball. We just have to see how it goes here with Porter. Right now he’s working on offense, but [we’ll] flip him over and just see how it goes. We’re just kind of taking it day by day and see how he does in different drills and in different situations. [We’ll] just take it one step at a time. I don’t really have any expectations other than as long as he’s improving we’ll keep working with him and see maybe where the best fit for him may be. But I don’t really know that until we’ve had a chance to see him play a little bit. But he’s certainly a good looking kid. He’s got a good frame. He’s got good balance, we know that from wrestling.
Q: Going back to Jermail Porter – how do you find a guy that’s never played football?
BB: That’s what scouts do. They turn over a lot of rocks. You’re at a lot of different schools over the course of the fall and the spring and you come across a lot of names and a lot of people. Sometimes you find some that are interesting and you want to pursue a little bit further. No set formula. You just keep digging and digging and digging, and sometimes you find one in a place where you don’t expect to find one. And I would say that’s probably what happened with Jermail.
Q: Do you think with the Stephen Neal experience it has opened you to take tips on guys that haven’t played before?
BB: No. I think it’s always been like that. We’ve always looked at that. In Cleveland, we had guys like Orlando Brown from South Ohio State. He went on to be a very good player in this league. Wally Williams, Florida A&M, went on to be drafted a real good player in this league. Guys like that - Bob Dahl was a defensive lineman in college and ended up playing on the offensive line for us. You find them in different spots: small schools, haven’t played football, offense to defense, defense to offense. That’s not anything that’s been happening recently. It’s always been there going all the way back to the kid from Dallas. He was a basketball player who ended up playing safety for the Cowboys. He played strong safety. Guys like that [and] Antonio Gates. Those guys are out there.
http://itiswhatitis.weei.com/sports/neweng...-transcript-51/
BB: It’s hard to compare two guys that haven’t played football to playing football. When we brought Steve in, we started him on the defensive side of the ball and eventually moved him to the offensive side of the ball. We just have to see how it goes here with Porter. Right now he’s working on offense, but [we’ll] flip him over and just see how it goes. We’re just kind of taking it day by day and see how he does in different drills and in different situations. [We’ll] just take it one step at a time. I don’t really have any expectations other than as long as he’s improving we’ll keep working with him and see maybe where the best fit for him may be. But I don’t really know that until we’ve had a chance to see him play a little bit. But he’s certainly a good looking kid. He’s got a good frame. He’s got good balance, we know that from wrestling.
Q: Going back to Jermail Porter – how do you find a guy that’s never played football?
BB: That’s what scouts do. They turn over a lot of rocks. You’re at a lot of different schools over the course of the fall and the spring and you come across a lot of names and a lot of people. Sometimes you find some that are interesting and you want to pursue a little bit further. No set formula. You just keep digging and digging and digging, and sometimes you find one in a place where you don’t expect to find one. And I would say that’s probably what happened with Jermail.
Q: Do you think with the Stephen Neal experience it has opened you to take tips on guys that haven’t played before?
BB: No. I think it’s always been like that. We’ve always looked at that. In Cleveland, we had guys like Orlando Brown from South Ohio State. He went on to be a very good player in this league. Wally Williams, Florida A&M, went on to be drafted a real good player in this league. Guys like that - Bob Dahl was a defensive lineman in college and ended up playing on the offensive line for us. You find them in different spots: small schools, haven’t played football, offense to defense, defense to offense. That’s not anything that’s been happening recently. It’s always been there going all the way back to the kid from Dallas. He was a basketball player who ended up playing safety for the Cowboys. He played strong safety. Guys like that [and] Antonio Gates. Those guys are out there.
http://itiswhatitis.weei.com/sports/neweng...-transcript-51/
southeastjerome
Footballguy
Great write up. I assume you'll do one for the NFC? If so, I can't wait.
-baller
Footballguy
then I guess it's lucky you don't have to.
http://draftguys.com/index.php/articles/1/udfa_grades_-_nfc/
http://draftguys.com/index.php/articles/1/udfa_grades_-_nfc/
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
Native
Footballguy
FYI, the Dolphins best Free Agent pickup may have been someone not on your list - Louis Ellis, a 6-2 320 pound NT with sub 5.0 40 speed. He was a originally recruited by LSU, Auburn and Mississippi State (where he signed) before enrolling Shaw College in North Carolina due to grades. Hes a powerful guy who dominated at a small school. If he can make the final 52, he may contribute early in the Dolphins 3-4 given that the Dolphins have noone behind Jason Ferguson, who is 35. Paul Solai, the only other NT on the roster, might not even make the team this year. Hes an intriguing guy to say the least.
http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/thedailydol...le-louis-ellis/
http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/thedailydol...le-louis-ellis/
SomeGuyNamedDavid
Footballguy
Good work, and interesting, but it's hard for me to put much stock in draft grades, or UDFA grades, or recruiting grades, or anything else that tries to anticipate at what level players who have never played at the next level are going to perform.
Too many Ryan Leafs and James Harrisons out there that completely wreck these grades.
Too many Ryan Leafs and James Harrisons out there that completely wreck these grades.
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
The funny thing though is that the UDFA grades have more instant gratification in terms of finding out how Sig's estimation stacks up since a lot of 'em will be cut during camp.
-QG
UDFAs have very little practice time to impress once the vets come into minicamp. (In general, as a group)Rookie camp is probably the most they'll get. If some rook "blew them away" in rookie camp, he'll earn himself more time. Time is either progressively more or less based on if they impress.If team A has 7 rosterred NFL WRs that catch fairly well and run fairly good routes, it's going to take a diving catch or leaping high grab for the UDFA to get attention. Just running routes and catching with (NFL)average ability won't cut it because it won't stand out from those 7. They're probably keeping 4 or 5 of that original 7, what's the UDFA doing to deserve consideration? UDFAs have a very hard road to the NFLThe funny thing though is that the UDFA grades have more instant gratification in terms of finding out how Sig's estimation stacks up since a lot of 'em will be cut during camp.-QG
