Umm, is this new? They are going to race formula 1 down the las vegas strip? Thats sweet! (1 Viewer)

[KGB]

I dont watch racing at all, but this seems awesome

Formula 1 Las Vegas Grand Prix | F1 Las Vegas Official Site

Official website for Formula 1 Las Vegas Grand Prix, taking place November 2023 along The Las Vegas Strip. Information on race schedule and tickets coming soon.

www.f1lasvegasgp.com

Formula 1® will light up the sports and entertainment capital of the world on November 16-18, 2023, for an unforgettable race cutting right through the neon heart of the city on the Las Vegas Strip.
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The Las Vegas Grand Prix’s 3.8-mile track will weave past world-famous landmarks, casinos and hotels as drivers push their luck to breaking points at speeds of up to 212 mph.

 

[The Gator]

Should be pretty awesome. I'l find one way or another to be in Vegas for the race.

 

[Willy]

How did they get the insurance companies, lawyers and local officials to sign off? I figured that was one of those things they did in Europe because it was grandfathered in, not because it's awesome, which it is.

 

[CGRdrJoe]

prices are out of control, i wanted to be there but I can’t afford it

 

[Eephus]

How did they get the insurance companies, lawyers and local officials to sign off? I figured that was one of those things they did in Europe because it was grandfathered in, not because it's awesome, which it is.

Money talks especially in Vegas. It's a huge venture for F1. I'm skeptical about the long-term prospects for the event. The first couple of years will be spectacles but I think the novelty will wear off fast. There are reportedly a bunch of unsold tickets for this weekend's Miami GP and it's only year two for that race.

Insurance issues aren't that much greater than any other event of this size. The risk of spectator injuries is probably lower than at a Raiders game. Most of the grandstands are located on the lower speed back section of the circuit along Koval. The blast down the strip will mostly be for the benefit of television viewers.

 

[Pipes]

My aunt lives out there and was hyping this up. The track looks amazing and can't wait to see how they block off that area. There are always so many people in that area. Like others have said the tickets for this are unbelievable. Some year would like to catch this but should be really good TV for sure.

 

[facook]

Apparently the road construction of the course is a real headache on the Strip (picture both directions of traffic reduced to one side of the road at a time). But the construction of the paddock has rejuvenated that abandoned giant lot that "Ice" club was on, lots of jobs are being created, and tons of money will come into the city each year obviously.

 

[jvdesigns2002]

Apparently the road construction of the course is a real headache on the Strip (picture both directions of traffic reduced to one side of the road at a time). But the construction of the paddock has rejuvenated that abandoned giant lot that "Ice" club was on, lots of jobs are being created, and tons of money will come into the city each year obviously.

Yup—I agree with pretty much everything here. Setting things up is going to be (and has been) a giant headache—but I do think it will end up being a net positive for the city. F1 has already said that they plan on using the paddock building year round—so this is not just a 2-3 day event once a year. I could se e there being some sort of museum/F1 experience type of thing where fans can visit all of the time.

 

[offdee]

It's gonna be pretty crazy here in Vegas later this year...

- F1 in November
- New Years Eve
- Super Bowl in February

 

[offdee]

And the F1 race will be at night so gonna look crazy with the Strip all lit up.

 

[offdee]

prices are out of control, i wanted to be there but I can’t afford it

It's supposed to cost $500 Million to complete, which means it will ultimately end up going over budget significantly, I'm sure.

But the race is supposed to pay for itself...

- General tickets start at $2K
- They have all kinds of packages available including a $1 Million all access experience (tour of track, VIP access and a ride behind the seat of an actual F1 car)
- Ceasers Palace is selling a $5 Million package....5 nights in Nobu's sky villa, private chef, etc.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

I've been wanting this ever since I played an arcade game way back in the 80's that pretty much replicated this concept.

 

[massraider]

Formula 1's Race Strategy in America Isn't Convincing Fans to Stick Around

Jalopnik spoke to several fans who attended F1's much-hyped race in Miami. The verdict wasn't good for the growth of the sport.

jalopnik.com

Very good read on how F1 is cashing in on F1 in the US.

on one hand, you could argue that they are screwing up their new hype from Drive to Survive, and pricing the majority of fans out of the event. On the other hand, I kind of have a feeling that F1 is never going to be the people's sport, like NASCAR. My brother went to Austin for the F1 event, had a blast, but said he felt very poor when he was there.

I can tell you this, I have no interest in sitting in the sun in ANY of Miami, Austin or Vegas when the majority of the time you cannot see the track. The worst part of these weekends will be the actual races.

The shark move is to go to Vegas, go to some events, crash on @offdee couch, and watch the race from one of the many beautiful lounges in Vegas.

 

[offdee]

The shark move is to go to Vegas, go to some events, crash on @offdee couch, and watch the race from one of the many beautiful lounges in Vegas.

I can't say for certain how the "watching from Vegas lounges" will play out but I'm pretty sure if there is a lounge with a view of the actual race track they will make that lounge into some sort of an event where entry will be extravagent as well. Hotel rooms for that weekend are already over the top. Anything with an actual view will be cashing in on it, for sure.

Between November (F1) and February (Super Bowl), Vegas is going to be filled with multi-millionaires and billionaires throwing around ridiculous money. More than normal.

 

[massraider]

I can't say for certain how the "watching from Vegas lounges" will play out but I'm pretty sure if there is a lounge with a view of the actual race track they will make that lounge into some sort of an event where entry will be extravagent as well. Hotel rooms for that weekend are already over the top. Anything with an actual view will be cashing in on it, for sure.

Meh, view of the track, big deal. You cannot see the whole thing from anywhere, always better off watching on TV.

I don't get sitting in the stands for this. You see about 10 percent of the race. Where are these people the rest of the year, Times Square for New Years?

 

[Eephus]

I don't get sitting in the stands for this. You see about 10 percent of the race. Where are these people the rest of the year, Times Square for New Years?

The word gets overused these days but seeing Formula 1 cars live on track is amazing. The speed, acceleration and braking are different in-person than on TV.

That said, if I wanted to drop $5K-$10K on a Grand Prix weekend, I'd probably go to Montreal or Mexico City rather than Las Vegas.

 

[massraider]

I don't get sitting in the stands for this. You see about 10 percent of the race. Where are these people the rest of the year, Times Square for New Years?

The word gets overused these days but seeing Formula 1 cars live on track is amazing. The speed, acceleration and braking are different in-person than on TV.

That said, if I wanted to drop $5K-$10K on a Grand Prix weekend, I'd probably go to Montreal or Mexico City rather than Las Vegas.

I was hoping you would check in. Austin/Vegas/Miami, which track you think makes for best race?

 

[Eephus]

I was hoping you would check in. Austin/Vegas/Miami, which track you think makes for best race?

Austin for sure. COTA is a top five track for modern F1 cars.

Vegas is sight unseen of course but I don't think it's a particularly racy looking circuit. I'm hoping there will be passing into the right hander off of Koval and some side-by-side racing around the Sphere but the action on the Strip will likely be complete before they reach the double left hander onto Harmon.

 

[CGRdrJoe]

i’m pretty sure i have an in for the race part but not for the sleeping part. I need to reach out to my kid to see if he still has the hook up for this

 

[massraider]

i’m pretty sure i have an in for the race part but not for the sleeping part. I need to reach out to my kid to see if he still has the hook up for this

If it hotel hook up, I would assume all hookups are shut down, unless you got an executive as a hookup.

all my hookups are pretty much not available on fight weekends, let alone F1

 

[CGRdrJoe]

i’m pretty sure i have an in for the race part but not for the sleeping part. I need to reach out to my kid to see if he still has the hook up for this

If it hotel hook up, I would assume all hookups are shut down, unless you got an executive as a hookup.

all my hookups are pretty much not available on fight weekends, let alone F1

no, it’s a race watching hook up. his buddies dad is well connected in that world, the guy used to be CEO of taylormade golf. I can watch it but finding a place to stay is the hard part.

 

[massraider]

i’m pretty sure i have an in for the race part but not for the sleeping part. I need to reach out to my kid to see if he still has the hook up for this

If it hotel hook up, I would assume all hookups are shut down, unless you got an executive as a hookup.

all my hookups are pretty much not available on fight weekends, let alone F1

no, it’s a race watching hook up. his buddies dad is well connected in that world, the guy used to be CEO of taylormade golf. I can watch it but finding a place to stay is the hard part.

I checked some cheap hotels to see. Red Rocks: 800/night. outskirts of Summerlin.

Tropicana (on the strip, but gross), is currently showing $9999 per night.

 

[Zegras11]

prices are out of control, i wanted to be there but I can’t afford it

ditto

 

[CGRdrJoe]

i’m pretty sure i have an in for the race part but not for the sleeping part. I need to reach out to my kid to see if he still has the hook up for this

If it hotel hook up, I would assume all hookups are shut down, unless you got an executive as a hookup.

all my hookups are pretty much not available on fight weekends, let alone F1

no, it’s a race watching hook up. his buddies dad is well connected in that world, the guy used to be CEO of taylormade golf. I can watch it but finding a place to stay is the hard part.

I checked some cheap hotels to see. Red Rocks: 800/night. outskirts of Summerlin.

Tropicana (on the strip, but gross), is currently showing $9999 per night.

yeah, even the worst roach motel was like 100x their normal rate. I was all in and going up until a month ago when our place to stay no longer existed due to unfortunate circumstances.

 

[Eephus]

I'm swimming against the tide and trying to meet up with my son for the NASCAR race in Vegas a month before the Grand Prix.

 

[offdee]

no, it’s a race watching hook up. his buddies dad is well connected in that world, the guy used to be CEO of taylormade golf. I can watch it but finding a place to stay is the hard part.

Get me a ticket with you and I have a 2nd bedroom in my apartment.

 

[Harry Frogfish]

Sounds dope, I'm there.

 

[kevzilla]

If you were thinking about the Cosmopolitan and its balconies, don't. They're going to seal them shut, because they are terrified someone will put 200 people on one of those wraparounds and it will collapse.

 

[offdee]

Race in Miami is starting soon on ABC.

 

[offdee]

I’m new to F1 but how can one driver be so dominant for such a long stretch? It was Lewis Hamilton (Mercedes) for years and now after some rule changes it’s Max Verstappan (Red Bull). The cars are just that much better even though they have the exact same spec rules across all teams? Or is it money/sponsor funding?

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

I’m new to F1 but how can one driver be so dominant for such a long stretch? It was Lewis Hamilton (Mercedes) for years and now after some rule changes it’s Max Verstappan (Red Bull). The cars are just that much better even though they have the exact same spec rules across all teams? Or is it money/sponsor funding?

Massive Huevos.

 

[massraider]

If you were thinking about the Cosmopolitan and its balconies, don't. They're going to seal them shut, because they are terrified someone will put 200 people on one of those wraparounds and it will collapse.

Cosmo with a balcony studio facing Bellagio fountains is really the best regular hotel room I have seen in Vegas, and would have been sick for the race.

 

[Eephus]

I’m new to F1 but how can one driver be so dominant for such a long stretch? It was Lewis Hamilton (Mercedes) for years and now after some rule changes it’s Max Verstappan (Red Bull). The cars are just that much better even though they have the exact same spec rules across all teams? Or is it money/sponsor funding?

Red Bull designers nailed it when the new technical regulations came in last season. They had some reliability issues early in 2022 but have had clearly the best package since then. If anything, they've extended their advantage this season and given current restrictions on in-season development and testing, they'll likely carry that advantage through this season.

F1 is trying to implement a spending cap but it hasn't really leveled the playing field. There was controversy last year when Red Bull was fined for exceeding the limits which was either an accounting error or merely the tip of the iceberg depending on who you believe. There are a number of key exclusions in the cap including driver salaries and engine programs that preserve the status quo.

 

[offdee]

I’m new to F1 but how can one driver be so dominant for such a long stretch? It was Lewis Hamilton (Mercedes) for years and now after some rule changes it’s Max Verstappan (Red Bull). The cars are just that much better even though they have the exact same spec rules across all teams? Or is it money/sponsor funding?

Red Bull designers nailed it when the new technical regulations came in last season. They had some reliability issues early in 2022 but have had clearly the best package since then. If anything, they've extended their advantage this season and given current restrictions on in-season development and testing, they'll likely carry that advantage through this season.

F1 is trying to implement a spending cap but it hasn't really leveled the playing field. There was controversy last year when Red Bull was fined for exceeding the limits which was either an accounting error or merely the tip of the iceberg depending on who you believe. There are a number of key exclusions in the cap including driver salaries and engine programs that preserve the status quo.

Today Veratappan started in 10th spot I think it was and in about 20 laps he was basically first and drivers didn’t even bother trying to keep him back. Seems like they all just know his car is faster and it’s inevitable so just race for 3rd place

 

[The Gator]

Fun race imo, I think Max should start 10th every race. That was a ridiculous to watch him run faster laps than Checo on 40 lap old tyres

 

[Hawks64]

I’m new to F1 but how can one driver be so dominant for such a long stretch? It was Lewis Hamilton (Mercedes) for years and now after some rule changes it’s Max Verstappan (Red Bull). The cars are just that much better even though they have the exact same spec rules across all teams? Or is it money/sponsor funding?

Red Bull designers nailed it when the new technical regulations came in last season. They had some reliability issues early in 2022 but have had clearly the best package since then. If anything, they've extended their advantage this season and given current restrictions on in-season development and testing, they'll likely carry that advantage through this season.

F1 is trying to implement a spending cap but it hasn't really leveled the playing field. There was controversy last year when Red Bull was fined for exceeding the limits which was either an accounting error or merely the tip of the iceberg depending on who you believe. There are a number of key exclusions in the cap including driver salaries and engine programs that preserve the status quo.

Today Veratappan started in 10th spot I think it was and in about 20 laps he was basically first and drivers didn’t even bother trying to keep him back. Seems like they all just know his car is faster and it’s inevitable so just race for 3rd place

He's also one of the most skilled drivers in F1, starting in F1 at 17. He's just an incredible talent.

 

[offdee]

He's also one of the most skilled drivers in F1, starting in F1 at 17. He's just an incredible talent

Just for context on how much driving skill vs car matter…you put Verstappan in a Haas car does he even finish top 5 for a season?

 

[offdee]

Just for context on how much driving skill vs car matter…you put Verstappan in a Haas car does he even finish top 5 for a season?

I guess Lewis Hamilton is the perfect example of this....7 yrs of pure dominance and then with some car spec rule changes, instantly brings his car down to regular status and he has troubles finishing regularly in the top 5 every race.

Seems to me it's about 80% car and 20% driver for success. Am I off base with this take?

 

[PIK95]

Fun race imo, I think Max should start 10th every race. That was a ridiculous to watch him run faster laps than Checo on 40 lap old tyres

Don't forget DRS. Checo had no shot holding first.

 

[PIK95]

He's also one of the most skilled drivers in F1, starting in F1 at 17. He's just an incredible talent

Just for context on how much driving skill vs car matter…you put Verstappan in a Haas car does he even finish top 5 for a season?

We will never know...

 

[offdee]

We will never know...

I think we kind of do with the Lewis Hamilton example above.

 

[Eephus]

Just for context on how much driving skill vs car matter…you put Verstappan in a Haas car does he even finish top 5 for a season?

I guess Lewis Hamilton is the perfect example of this....7 yrs of pure dominance and then with some car spec rule changes, instantly brings his car down to regular status and he has troubles finishing regularly in the top 5 every race.

Seems to me it's about 80% car and 20% driver for success. Am I off base with this take?

Counterargument: Alonso and Stroll

 

[The Gator]

Fun race imo, I think Max should start 10th every race. That was a ridiculous to watch him run faster laps than Checo on 40 lap old tyres

Don't forget DRS. Checo had no shot holding first.

Absolutely. I thought it was silly for the announcers to even question what position would be more advantageous. It’s obviously the guy chasing

 

[PIK95]

We will never know...

I think we kind of do with the Lewis Hamilton example above.

I'm not a fan at all, but Lewis is a great driver. He may have lost a bit of his edge from being in front all those years. Senna was the best I ever saw. Schumacher was amazing also. Imo Alonso and Leclair are the best now occasionally, but Max is consistently on another level. Again, just my opinion.

 

[Eephus]

Fun race imo, I think Max should start 10th every race. That was a ridiculous to watch him run faster laps than Checo on 40 lap old tyres

Don't forget DRS. Checo had no shot holding first.

Absolutely. I thought it was silly for the announcers to even question what position would be more advantageous. It’s obviously the guy chasing

It was telling that drivers were intentionally holding back from passing going into turn 17 so that they wouldn't be vulnerable to the second shot at DRS on the front straight.

I guess DRS is an overall positive by producing more overtakes. The races from the early 2000s were very processional compared to today. The problem with DRS is that a lot of passes now are easy ones on the straights (e.g. Baku) rather than more legitimate ones in the turns. The current regulations were supposed to permit cars to run closer together without aero wash but the teams adjusted quickly and we're pretty much back to where we were under the previous aerodynamic rules.

I prefer Indycar's push-to-pass system because there's a strategic element about when to deploy P2P and it provides the driver in front the ability to defend. But it's much easier to equalize aero in a spec series like Indycar than in F1 where there are greater performance differences between cars.

 

[Eephus]

I'm not a fan at all, but Lewis is a great driver. He may have lost a bit of his edge from being in front all those years. Senna was the best I ever saw. Schumacher was amazing also. Imo Alonso and Leclair are the best now occasionally, but Max is consistently on another level. Again, just my opinion.

Yuki is the best

 

[The Gator]

I'm not a fan at all, but Lewis is a great driver. He may have lost a bit of his edge from being in front all those years. Senna was the best I ever saw. Schumacher was amazing also. Imo Alonso and Leclair are the best now occasionally, but Max is consistently on another level. Again, just my opinion.

Yuki is the best

Definitely the best team radio during the races lol

 

[QuizGuy66]

Linky to the official F1 thread for those interested in the sport in general

Should be an awesome spectacle though I'll need to satellite into the WSOP Main Event and make a run to be able to afford it.

Looking forward to the stories of those fortunate enough to attend

-QG

 

[Hawks64]

Just for context on how much driving skill vs car matter…you put Verstappan in a Haas car does he even finish top 5 for a season?

I guess Lewis Hamilton is the perfect example of this....7 yrs of pure dominance and then with some car spec rule changes, instantly brings his car down to regular status and he has troubles finishing regularly in the top 5 every race.

Seems to me it's about 80% car and 20% driver for success. Am I off base with this take?

I think so, at least with Verstappen. He's a prodigy, and should, barring injury or something else, go down as the best ever.