Undervalued Dynasty WRs (1 Viewer)

[az_prof]

There are only a handful of guys at each position that are so talented that they are almost guaranteed to put up big numbers each year and they’re usually pretty easy to spot (Calvin Johnson, AJ Green, etc.). The real key in my opinion is finding guys in the next tier that have enough talent that they can put up big fantasy numbers, but only if they end up in a good situation. Here are some WRs who I think have the talent and could potentially end up in better situations next season that are worth trading for in dynasty leagues with late trade deadlines:

1. Austin Collie is a guy who has fallen off the map without Peyton. Next year, he is almost guaranteed to have either Manning or (more likely) Andrew Luck. If Luck’s the guy, you’d have to think the Colts think about going young a bit and FA Reggie Wayne isn’t likely to be in their plans (and he may want a contender not a rebuild even if the Colts do want him back). Pierre Garcon is also a FA, though more likely to come back. Basically, Collie has a very good chance to be Luck’s #1 or #2 WR (and a reception magnet) for a long time and if Luck is as good as many think, he could end up a fantasy WR1 or 2.

2. Santonio Holmes has a lot of talent. Greg Cosell has said he’s top 5 in the league at WR in talent due to the separation he is able to gain. Obviously with Sanchez and the run first game plan, he has pretty limited value right now. But both the OC and Sanchez could be playing for their futures. If a guy like Peyton Manning becomes available this offseason, I’d bet the Jets would be all over him and they’d be an attractive destination for him if he is choosing. Plus who knows what the future holds for FA Plaxico Burress? Again, another guy who if the cards fall right, could be a WR1.

3. Marques Colston is another guy who has proven that he can be a top 10 talent, but his value has really fallen due to injuries and everyone wanting the “next big thing” which leads to a somewhat boring guy like Colston falling in drafts and in perceived value. Obviously his knee injuries are worrisome, but his situation and talent make him a good gamble at his current prices. Robert Meachem is a FA and I doubt the Saints go out of their way to re-sign him which opens up even more opportunity for Colston going forward. Regardless of Meachem, if Colston is even close to fully healthy next year, he’s a fantasy WR1 in his prime years age-wise on one of the most consistent passing offenses in the league. I think a lot of owners see him as being at the end of his career and some "rebuilding" owners are shopping him for young guys that aren't nearly as talented as he is.

4. Desean Jackson looks to me like he could use a change of scenery. When you look at the contracts that guys like Sidney Rice and Santonio Holmes got a couple months ago, it becomes pretty clear that a WR-needy franchise is going to give him a very big contract (likely to be their #1 WR) this March. DJax has shown he has WR1 or high WR2 talent from the second he stepped on the field. The question to me is whether Andy Reid has helped or hurt his fantasy value. Looking at Philly’s history of really spreading the ball around and never having a consistent go-to guy at WR, I suspect he has the potential to catch a lot more balls and be much more consistent from a fantasy perspective on another team. He’s dirt cheap right now and it never hurts to add a young guy with a boatload of talent to your dynasty roster. What if he ends up with the Shanahans in Washington as the #1 WR with a guy like Barkley or Robert Griffin at QB? In my opinion, there are realistic scenarios that make him much more valuable that aren't being factored into the equation when looking at his overall trade value.

5. Brandon Lloyd is another guy who can be acquired pretty cheap who has the potential to be a fantasy WR1 if he lands in a good spot as a FA. His best bet may actually be to re-sign with the Rams. If the Rams can fix their OL this offseason (Matt Kalil at LT would be a great start) and just get some guys (Bradford, Saffold, Amendola, etc.) healthy, they are a team that could go from fantasy wasteland to very productive very quickly. And we’ve already seen that Lloyd has the talent in this offensive system (and with a worse QB) to put up gigantic fantasy numbers. Like Colston, he's not young and there is also a bit of a perception that he's a 1 year wonder. But he can be had for a song from rebuilding owners who see his age and lack of production this year and will take whatever they can get for him. He could still be a great player for 3+ seasons if he ends up on the right team with an OC/QB who believe in him.

Disclaimer: Just because I think these guys all have the potential to be top 15 WRs (or higher) in the medium term doesn't mean I'd pay that price for them. I just think they are attractive in large part because they have that potential (and decent floors as well) and can be had in most leagues at a relatively low price.

Any other guys who fit this mold? Any major disagreements with these 5?

Lloyd is 30 years old. If you could him cheap, yeah, but I wouldn't pay too much for him.Colston is good and only 28, but his injuries scare me. So far he seems to recover ok, but those injuries are of the long term type.

Collie: Who is going to be throwing him the ball?

Desean Jackson I like and Holmes I like.

But those guys are not going to come that cheap. I like Robert Meachem as a guy you can get cheap who has a high upside that could explode next year. He is in last year of his contract and if he goes somewhere where he is featured, look out.

 

[DoubleG]

i think jerome simson is a pretty good player with some decent upside who has been really kicking it up a notch bam in the last few weeks and might end up taking it to the bank for a lot of fantasy team owners but only for the cin bengals in real life where he is under contract

I agree with this. For a guy that has 3 - 100 yard games already this year, closed last season with 2 100+ yard efforts, is only 25 and has a young and developing QB throwing to him, it's amazing that he might even still be on the WW in some leagues (I just added him 2 weeks ago).The continual development of Dalton can only help Simpson. I realize AJ is the #1 - but that is exactly why Simpson can be a good contributer. If Dalton continues to develop, there is no reason the Bengals offense can't support 2 FF WRs - AJ a #1 and Simpson at least solid WR3 moving forward.

are we to assume the Feds won't eventually bring charges on the 7 lbs of pot they found in his house? Is the "I was just holding it for somebody else" defense going to work?

That's not his defense. From what I remember reading, he has other family members that live in his house (brother or brother-in-law). But yes, this is presuming he is not found guilty of crime.

 

[Max Power]

My issue with the names being tossed around here is that most of these guys aren't going to come cheap. Austin, Marshall, Holmes, Colston, DeSean are all going to cost something pretty close to their value. They are all proven players who are having down seasons. Most owners aren't going to just hand these guys over.

The value is really in the guys who have shown a flash, but haven't produced much on the field. I like the Mentions of Benn, Titus Young, Cobb, Vincent Brown, Mike Thomas. These are the guys who really have value in my eyes. I'd also add Johnny Knox, Andre Roberts, and Donald Jones.

If you really want to go bargin hunting, guys like Clyde Gates, Jeremy Kerley, and Ramses Barden all have good upside and are likely on the waiver wire.

 

[dickey moe]

My issue with the names being tossed around here is that most of these guys aren't going to come cheap. Austin, Marshall, Holmes, Colston, DeSean are all going to cost something pretty close to their value. They are all proven players who are having down seasons. Most owners aren't going to just hand these guys over.

I agree with your sentiment on these types of players in general but I disagree with the assessment that Marshall is having a down year. Maybe it's the mental issues he's had, but I consistently see people underestimating Marshall all over the place in the Shark Pool. After this week he's going to be a top 10 WR in just about every PPR league I'm in -- and that's with minimal talent at QB feeding him the ball.

 

[WFR]

Who has more upside for next year and beyond?

Steve Smith - PHI

or

Emmanuel Sanders - PIT

 

[sihaokills]

Early Doucet is really underrated. He's a boss and takes a lot of targets since Fotz is double teamed. I also like Jerome Simpson. He's a good receiver that has good separation.

 

[thatguy]

Percy Harvin. My guess is you can get him for relatively cheap right now, but I think it's only a matter of time before he blows up. Top 10 potential as early as next season.

High on Ponder? Just curious. I've been rather impressed, the little bit I've seen.

Yeah, I like Ponder a lot.

This guy (Harvin) probably could have been had for relatively cheap just a few weeks ago. I think the door has officially closed now. Stud.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I'm grabbing Gettis in any league where I have IR room..

 

[plastik]

In deep leagues i'm picking up Adrian Arrington. Colston and Meachem are both free agents, though they'll probably bring Colston back. In case they don't though, all AA will cost is a roster spot as hes certainly on most WWs and he does have some upside in the NO offense if they keep him around. If he doesn't pan out he'll be easy to cut.

 

[Kirby]

Early Doucet is really underrated. He's a boss and takes a lot of targets since Fotz is double teamed. I also like Jerome Simpson. He's a good receiver that has good separation.

Simpson has 11 inch hands and can't catch a cold.

 

[DoubleG]

I'm going to throw out a name of someone who is high reward/low risk at this point:

Demaryius Thomas

As good as Decker is, D. Thomas is better in virtually every aspect as a WR (when he is healthy). After a full offseason to get completely healthy and get on the same page with Tebow (and if Tebow can throw the ball a little more effectively), D. Thomas could become the #1 in Denver - making him a solid WR2 in 2012.

 

[Bronx Bomber]

With Denver winning games and ruining that shot at drafting one of the top QBs is Demaryius Thomas worth the hold? Seems like if they get a downfield passing QB he would be a great bargain but who knows what the situation will be next year and if they stay with Tebow he'll be useless. Would you rather have Emmanual Sanders, David Gettis, Jonathan Baldwin, DHB?

 

[DoubleG]

With Denver winning games and ruining that shot at drafting one of the top QBs is Demaryius Thomas worth the hold? Seems like if they get a downfield passing QB he would be a great bargain but who knows what the situation will be next year and if they stay with Tebow he'll be useless. Would you rather have Emmanual Sanders, David Gettis, Jonathan Baldwin, DHB?

The one thing that many have said Tebow can do is throw a decent deep ball (hence his high TD%). Jon Baldwin was drafted in every dynasty league I'm in and is not easily available in most dynasty leagues (his price is likely higher than Thomas'). The other 3 - no. D. Thomas is much more talented than any of the other 3. As such he has more upside, imho. Sanders will be the 3rd WR on the Steelers (behind Wallace and Brown) - and Gettis and DHB on equally buried in a mire of mediocre WR groups (with neither being particularly better than any of their teammates).

 

[jonboltz]

In deep leagues i'm picking up Adrian Arrington. Colston and Meachem are both free agents, though they'll probably bring Colston back. In case they don't though, all AA will cost is a roster spot as hes certainly on most WWs and he does have some upside in the NO offense if they keep him around. If he doesn't pan out he'll be easy to cut.

Is it 2009 already? Unless your in a 12x28 league, there is likely much stronger options on the wire.

 

[Bronx Bomber]

With Denver winning games and ruining that shot at drafting one of the top QBs is Demaryius Thomas worth the hold? Seems like if they get a downfield passing QB he would be a great bargain but who knows what the situation will be next year and if they stay with Tebow he'll be useless. Would you rather have Emmanual Sanders, David Gettis, Jonathan Baldwin, DHB?

The one thing that many have said Tebow can do is throw a decent deep ball (hence his high TD%). Jon Baldwin was drafted in every dynasty league I'm in and is not easily available in most dynasty leagues (his price is likely higher than Thomas'). The other 3 - no. D. Thomas is much more talented than any of the other 3. As such he has more upside, imho. Sanders will be the 3rd WR on the Steelers (behind Wallace and Brown) - and Gettis and DHB on equally buried in a mire of mediocre WR groups (with neither being particularly better than any of their teammates).

My league was started this year so we only have 16 players rostered which leaves a lot of quality options on free agency. It also makes me go crazy trying to figure out who to keep rostered

 

[DoubleG]

With Denver winning games and ruining that shot at drafting one of the top QBs is Demaryius Thomas worth the hold? Seems like if they get a downfield passing QB he would be a great bargain but who knows what the situation will be next year and if they stay with Tebow he'll be useless. Would you rather have Emmanual Sanders, David Gettis, Jonathan Baldwin, DHB?

The one thing that many have said Tebow can do is throw a decent deep ball (hence his high TD%). Jon Baldwin was drafted in every dynasty league I'm in and is not easily available in most dynasty leagues (his price is likely higher than Thomas'). The other 3 - no. D. Thomas is much more talented than any of the other 3. As such he has more upside, imho. Sanders will be the 3rd WR on the Steelers (behind Wallace and Brown) - and Gettis and DHB on equally buried in a mire of mediocre WR groups (with neither being particularly better than any of their teammates).

My league was started this year so we only have 16 players rostered which leaves a lot of quality options on free agency. It also makes me go crazy trying to figure out who to keep rostered

We do the same (no defenses). 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE & 1K (plus 1 backup for every starter slot). However, during the season we have 21 slots (but can never cut down to less than 2 QB, 4 RB, 6 WR, 2 TE and 2 K) - the 5 extra slots distributed however you want. About 2 weeks prior to our rookie draft (which is late - usually the weekend before the regular season starts) - we cut down to 16. I guess technically, we have 21 slots - with the cut to 16 only coming prior to the draft. Now don't get me wrong - D. Thomas will likely be by 6th WR and only if it looks like he's actually doing something at the end of this season and next preseason, so depending on how many WRs you start/keep, he might not be worth a hold.

But I still would hold him over the 3 mentioned above (Baldwin I would probably hang on to ahead of him).

 

[wiscstlatlmia]

I'm officially set. The guy is Andre Johnson....by far... He obviously still costs a pretty penny, but certainly not the cost of what he is actually worth.

 

[Max Power]

I'm officially set. The guy is Andre Johnson....by far... He obviously still costs a pretty penny, but certainly not the cost of what he is actually worth.

Curious to hear what you'd give up for him?Multiple first round picks? AJ is a beast and his owners know it. I can't imagine he is being discounted by any savvy owner at this point. An injury and losing your starting QB is going to hurt anyone's stat line. But those are both temporary, and there is no reason to think he wont be flirting with a top 5 WR finish next season

 

[Crazy Tony]

HERE ARE ALL OF THE NAMES LISTED SO FAR:

Goal was to get more complete list in one area.

Names are listed in order of posting.

A space = different person posting.

I generally did not list comments/reasoning.

I DID NOT tally, track duplicate names, ex "I agree with that post, I disagree with him..." This is where some of the good information will be. Go ahead and read that on your own.

I believe that Real Value in this list is targeted players that you could get for a decent price. Their value is down for whatever reason. Mainly it's a WR2 list with WR1 upside. OR WR3 with 1-3 upside. OR a WR1 producing at a WR2-3 level. OR off Radar...going to be WR2.

The *** = players I own and I generally indicated how I acquired them.

It seems that the best luck I've had in getting top WRs is by scouring lists like this and being active year round on WW. I've made more mistakes than things I've gotten right. I notice in my league the top talent tends to get drafted early and never/rarely traded. I've own and have overvalued DJAX at times but I'm at a point where I'll tolerate it if I'm using him as WR3 with upside.

LIST

1. Austin Collie

2. Santonio Holmes

3. Marques Colston

4. DeSean Jackson *** (drafted as rookie...PR vs NYG 2010 put me in Superbowl)

5. Brandon Lloyd

6. Steve Smith PHI *** (traded for 2009)

7. Eric Decker *** (drafted as rookie)

8. Miles Austin

9. Brandon Marshall

10. David Gettis (?) inquiry if worthy

11. Jerome Simpson (drafted as rookie 2008...later cut)

12. Victor Cruz

13. Danny Amendola on IR

14. Early Doucet

15. Laurent Robinson

16. Antonio Brown (Snoozed and lost)

17. Jacoby Ford (drafted in 4th round of rookie draft 2010)

18. Demaryius Thomas (was on WW earlier this year, didn't get him)

19. Greg Little *** (drafted #6 as rookie over Cam Newton)

20. Leonard Hankerson

21. Arrelius Benn,

22. Torrey Smith

23. Denarius Moore

24. Earl Bennett (has been on WW on/off this year)

25. Dezmon Briscoe

26. Preston Parker

27. Brandon LaFell

28. Percy Harvin *** (Drafted as rookie)

29. Jonathan Baldwin

30. "how about that guy from PIT...name I can't remember like Mike Wallace but not Ward or dances with stars?..."

Emmanuelle Sanders (I'm guessing is the name he's trying to think of).

31. Mike Thomas

32. Titus Young

33. Randall Cobb

34. Vincent Brown *** (drafted as rookie, cut due to roster size...was picked up by others, dropped again...not I have him back)

30b. Emmanuel Sanders (officially named) (Helped new owner draft as rookie...now he won't trade him to me...****)

15b Laurent Robinson (including new posters full list)

35. Johnny Knox

36. Andre Roberts

37. Donald Jones

38. Clyde Gates

39. Jeremy Kerley

40. Ramses Barden

41. Adrian Arrington (first I've ever heard of this name anywhere to my knowledge...prefaced with "deep league" but thanks, looked at depth chart and sure enough he's on there...is a real player on a real NFL team =) )

42. Derius Heyward-Bey

43. Andre Johnson (due to injury, age...undervalued)

Names I think I'll add:

44. Davone Bess *** 2009 pick up (Low trade value, too good to cut)

45. Lance Moore *** 2010 FA/WW pickup I think (ditto)

46. Stevie Johnson *** 2010 WW pickup week1

47. Riley Cooper next year will be 3rd year...if Djax, SSmith gone...upside.

48. Greg Salas (drafted, had to cut down roster....picked up and dropped again during bye weeks.. IR, haven't seen ceiling yet)

49. Danario Alexander another STL WR raffle ticket

50. Dexter McCluster *** (drafted #9 2010) listed as RB/WR in Yahoo. Still think we haven't seen what he can do.

There are only a handful of guys at each position that are so talented that they are almost guaranteed to put up big numbers each year and they’re usually pretty easy to spot (Calvin Johnson, AJ Green, etc.). The real key in my opinion is finding guys in the next tier that have enough talent that they can put up big fantasy numbers, but only if they end up in a good situation. Here are some WRs who I think have the talent and could potentially end up in better situations next season that are worth trading for in dynasty leagues with late trade deadlines:

1. Austin Collie is a guy who has fallen off the map without Peyton. Next year, he is almost guaranteed to have either Manning or (more likely) Andrew Luck. If Luck’s the guy, you’d have to think the Colts think about going young a bit and FA Reggie Wayne isn’t likely to be in their plans (and he may want a contender not a rebuild even if the Colts do want him back). Pierre Garcon is also a FA, though more likely to come back. Basically, Collie has a very good chance to be Luck’s #1 or #2 WR (and a reception magnet) for a long time and if Luck is as good as many think, he could end up a fantasy WR1 or 2.

2. Santonio Holmes has a lot of talent. Greg Cosell has said he’s top 5 in the league at WR in talent due to the separation he is able to gain. Obviously with Sanchez and the run first game plan, he has pretty limited value right now. But both the OC and Sanchez could be playing for their futures. If a guy like Peyton Manning becomes available this offseason, I’d bet the Jets would be all over him and they’d be an attractive destination for him if he is choosing. Plus who knows what the future holds for FA Plaxico Burress? Again, another guy who if the cards fall right, could be a WR1.

3. Marques Colston is another guy who has proven that he can be a top 10 talent, but his value has really fallen due to injuries and everyone wanting the “next big thing” which leads to a somewhat boring guy like Colston falling in drafts and in perceived value. Obviously his knee injuries are worrisome, but his situation and talent make him a good gamble at his current prices. Robert Meachem is a FA and I doubt the Saints go out of their way to re-sign him which opens up even more opportunity for Colston going forward. Regardless of Meachem, if Colston is even close to fully healthy next year, he’s a fantasy WR1 in his prime years age-wise on one of the most consistent passing offenses in the league. I think a lot of owners see him as being at the end of his career and some "rebuilding" owners are shopping him for young guys that aren't nearly as talented as he is.

4. Desean Jackson looks to me like he could use a change of scenery. When you look at the contracts that guys like Sidney Rice and Santonio Holmes got a couple months ago, it becomes pretty clear that a WR-needy franchise is going to give him a very big contract (likely to be their #1 WR) this March. DJax has shown he has WR1 or high WR2 talent from the second he stepped on the field. The question to me is whether Andy Reid has helped or hurt his fantasy value. Looking at Philly’s history of really spreading the ball around and never having a consistent go-to guy at WR, I suspect he has the potential to catch a lot more balls and be much more consistent from a fantasy perspective on another team. He’s dirt cheap right now and it never hurts to add a young guy with a boatload of talent to your dynasty roster. What if he ends up with the Shanahans in Washington as the #1 WR with a guy like Barkley or Robert Griffin at QB? In my opinion, there are realistic scenarios that make him much more valuable that aren't being factored into the equation when looking at his overall trade value.

5. Brandon Lloyd is another guy who can be acquired pretty cheap who has the potential to be a fantasy WR1 if he lands in a good spot as a FA. His best bet may actually be to re-sign with the Rams. If the Rams can fix their OL this offseason (Matt Kalil at LT would be a great start) and just get some guys (Bradford, Saffold, Amendola, etc.) healthy, they are a team that could go from fantasy wasteland to very productive very quickly. And we’ve already seen that Lloyd has the talent in this offensive system (and with a worse QB) to put up gigantic fantasy numbers. Like Colston, he's not young and there is also a bit of a perception that he's a 1 year wonder. But he can be had for a song from rebuilding owners who see his age and lack of production this year and will take whatever they can get for him. He could still be a great player for 3+ seasons if he ends up on the right team with an OC/QB who believe in him.

Disclaimer: Just because I think these guys all have the potential to be top 15 WRs (or higher) in the medium term doesn't mean I'd pay that price for them. I just think they are attractive in large part because they have that potential (and decent floors as well) and can be had in most leagues at a relatively low price.

Any other guys who fit this mold? Any major disagreements with these 5?

 

[Two Deep]

Mario Manningham: He is a free agent and I believe will be gone now that Cruz has arrived. Just hope he signs with a team with a good passing situation.

 

[Shutout]

Mario Manningham: He is a free agent and I believe will be gone now that Cruz has arrived. Just hope he signs with a team with a good passing situation.

FA? Did not know that. That is interesting.REALLY depends on where he goes.. He pulls a Sidney Rice and chases money to Somewhere like Seattle, thats sucking. But if he lands somewhere useful, it could be a nice year.

 

[wiscstlatlmia]

I'm officially set. The guy is Andre Johnson....by far... He obviously still costs a pretty penny, but certainly not the cost of what he is actually worth.

Curious to hear what you'd give up for him?Multiple first round picks? AJ is a beast and his owners know it. I can't imagine he is being discounted by any savvy owner at this point. An injury and losing your starting QB is going to hurt anyone's stat line. But those are both temporary, and there is no reason to think he wont be flirting with a top 5 WR finish next season

So you dont think theres a risk to owning him now? a 30 year old injury prone WR, I'm sure some guys would be willing to trade if you give them a sensible offer. Dynasty value for WRs over 30 is a steep, slippery slope. Personally I would give up what is looking to be 1.4 and Santonio Holmes. I'm saying buy low for Andre Johnson, not just some guy.

 

[Football Jones]

The WR with the highest upside compared to 2011 production is probably Julian Edelman. He's a lot like Welker, only bigger, stronger, faster, & quicker. The first time I saw Edelman play as a pro (in preseason as a rookie last year), I nearly fell out of my chair at his resemblance to Welker on the field. It was/is striking.

Unlike many others, I don't believe the Pats signing Welker is a given. Far from it, IMO. Even if Welker does re-sign, Edelman has enough talent to warrant stashing in deeper leagues. Remember, he was a college QB & will keep getting better as a WR. Edelman has a ton of natural ability.

 

[loose circuits]

The WR with the highest upside compared to 2011 production is probably Julian Edelman. He's a lot like Welker, only bigger, stronger, faster, & quicker. The first time I saw Edelman play as a pro (in preseason as a rookie last year), I nearly fell out of my chair at his resemblance to Welker on the field. It was/is striking.Unlike many others, I don't believe the Pats signing Welker is a given. Far from it, IMO. Even if Welker does re-sign, Edelman has enough talent to warrant stashing in deeper leagues. Remember, he was a college QB & will keep getting better as a WR. Edelman has a ton of natural ability.

if the Patriots had so much faith in him, would they be playing him as a DB?

 

[loose circuits]

Any chance at all that Jason Snelling gets a look anywhere since he's a free agent? He has put up decent rushing and receiving numbers when given the chance in the past.

he plays RB...also, nobody gave him any attention when he hit the market last year which is why he was stuck signing a 1 year deal with ATL

 

[Dr. Awesome]

The WR with the highest upside compared to 2011 production is probably Julian Edelman. He's a lot like Welker, only bigger, stronger, faster, & quicker. The first time I saw Edelman play as a pro (in preseason as a rookie last year), I nearly fell out of my chair at his resemblance to Welker on the field. It was/is striking.Unlike many others, I don't believe the Pats signing Welker is a given. Far from it, IMO. Even if Welker does re-sign, Edelman has enough talent to warrant stashing in deeper leagues. Remember, he was a college QB & will keep getting better as a WR. Edelman has a ton of natural ability.

if the Patriots had so much faith in him, would they be playing him as a DB?

The Patriots? Yes. They've played Troy Brown at cb regularly. They've done similar things with other players. There might be reasons to stay off his bandwagon but that's not one of 'em. Not with the Patriots.

 

[Football Jones]

The WR with the highest upside compared to 2011 production is probably Julian Edelman. He's a lot like Welker, only bigger, stronger, faster, & quicker. The first time I saw Edelman play as a pro (in preseason as a rookie last year), I nearly fell out of my chair at his resemblance to Welker on the field. It was/is striking.Unlike many others, I don't believe the Pats signing Welker is a given. Far from it, IMO. Even if Welker does re-sign, Edelman has enough talent to warrant stashing in deeper leagues. Remember, he was a college QB & will keep getting better as a WR. Edelman has a ton of natural ability.

if the Patriots had so much faith in him, would they be playing him as a DB?

In short, he's a great athlete. Edelman is the backup to Welker & that's very important to remember. They can run the same type of routes with Edelman & he's got a lot of "headroom" because he hasn't been playing WR very long. This kid has mad potential in that offense.Edelman is a fantastic stash that could payoff big-time.

 

[saintfool]

Any thoughts on deon butler in Seattle? kind of a lost season for him with the recovery from injury but he had some #'s and year to year improvement.

 

[Max Power]

Any thoughts on deon butler in Seattle? kind of a lost season for him with the recovery from injury but he had some #'s and year to year improvement.

Well the price is right...free. I actually think he is a very talented kid and could have a nice career. The problem is that Seattle has about 7 decent recieving options he would have to compete with to be FF relevant. To make matters worse, Their current QB is junk and even a first round draft pick at QB will take a couple years to hit stride. He just seems like an investment that will take too long to pay off.

 

[Max Power]

I'm officially set. The guy is Andre Johnson....by far... He obviously still costs a pretty penny, but certainly not the cost of what he is actually worth.

Curious to hear what you'd give up for him?Multiple first round picks? AJ is a beast and his owners know it. I can't imagine he is being discounted by any savvy owner at this point. An injury and losing your starting QB is going to hurt anyone's stat line. But those are both temporary, and there is no reason to think he wont be flirting with a top 5 WR finish next season

So you dont think theres a risk to owning him now? a 30 year old injury prone WR, I'm sure some guys would be willing to trade if you give them a sensible offer. Dynasty value for WRs over 30 is a steep, slippery slope. Personally I would give up what is looking to be 1.4 and Santonio Holmes. I'm saying buy low for Andre Johnson, not just some guy.

It does depend on the owner. Youth is VERY overrated in dynasty leagues. I think Andre still has 2-3 years as a must start fantasy WR. But where I think youth is overrated, other owners can't get enough of it. If thats the Andre owner, than Holmes and 1.04 is in the ballpark.

 

[WFR]

The regular season is winding down and it's time to focus on the playoff stretch and dynasty stashes for next year.

This thread needs some input to reflect week 13 games.

I still think that knucklehead Titus Young may have some dynasty value.

 

[Bronx Bomber]

Jon Baldwin. Still a lot of negative opinions out there after his preseason. Add in the fact that only one of his big plays has counted so far,and I think he can still be had very cheap. Baldwin has made fantastic big plays in both of the games following his week 8 breakout game, but both have been called back by penalties. IMO his talent level is elite, and once he really learns how to play the position, he'll be a force.

How long is Breaston signed for? Trying to figure out when Baldwin will be relevant. With Moeaki coming back there's a lot of play makers with not a lot of targets to go around, correct?

 

[wiscstlatlmia]

I have a really good feeling about Michael Crabtree next year guys. Especially in PPR. Hes the true #1 WR for a suddenly rock solid organization. Hes averaging around 9 targets a game since he came back from injury and seems to have turned the corner as a player.

 

[thriftyrocker]

Jon Baldwin. Still a lot of negative opinions out there after his preseason. Add in the fact that only one of his big plays has counted so far,and I think he can still be had very cheap. Baldwin has made fantastic big plays in both of the games following his week 8 breakout game, but both have been called back by penalties. IMO his talent level is elite, and once he really learns how to play the position, he'll be a force.

How long is Breaston signed for? Trying to figure out when Baldwin will be relevant. With Moeaki coming back there's a lot of play makers with not a lot of targets to go around, correct?

How long is Dwayne Bowe signed for? 4 more games?Breaston signed a 5 year deal before the year and basically only next year is guaranteed.

 

[ScottyDog]

Maybe look at Terrence Austin in Washington as the slot guy. With the rumor of Peyton Manning possibly going to Washington next year, this guy could become valuable like Austin Collie was in Indy.

 

[The Comedian]

3. Marques Colston is another guy who has proven that he can be a top 10 talent, but his value has really fallen due to injuries and everyone wanting the “next big thing” which leads to a somewhat boring guy like Colston falling in drafts and in perceived value. Obviously his knee injuries are worrisome, but his situation and talent make him a good gamble at his current prices. Robert Meachem is a FA and I doubt the Saints go out of their way to re-sign him which opens up even more opportunity for Colston going forward. Regardless of Meachem, if Colston is even close to fully healthy next year, he’s a fantasy WR1 in his prime years age-wise on one of the most consistent passing offenses in the league. I think a lot of owners see him as being at the end of his career and some "rebuilding" owners are shopping him for young guys that aren't nearly as talented as he is.

The problem with Colston is not Meachem or the other WRs. It's that he's been usurped as a TD target in favor of other targets - namely Graham. He is still a favorite target of Brees but he's not the go-to guy any longer. The offense has simply changed. I think Meachem will be retained but they are not going to overpay to keep him.

This. Colston is extremely inconsistent because of this, and I wouldn't want to rely on him as anything more than a nice upside WR3. That's not even taking into consideration his injury issues.

 

[loose circuits]

I'm officially set. The guy is Andre Johnson....by far... He obviously still costs a pretty penny, but certainly not the cost of what he is actually worth.

Curious to hear what you'd give up for him?Multiple first round picks? AJ is a beast and his owners know it. I can't imagine he is being discounted by any savvy owner at this point. An injury and losing your starting QB is going to hurt anyone's stat line. But those are both temporary, and there is no reason to think he wont be flirting with a top 5 WR finish next season

So you dont think theres a risk to owning him now? a 30 year old injury prone WR, I'm sure some guys would be willing to trade if you give them a sensible offer. Dynasty value for WRs over 30 is a steep, slippery slope. Personally I would give up what is looking to be 1.4 and Santonio Holmes. I'm saying buy low for Andre Johnson, not just some guy.

It does depend on the owner. Youth is VERY overrated in dynasty leagues. I think Andre still has 2-3 years as a must start fantasy WR. But where I think youth is overrated, other owners can't get enough of it. If thats the Andre owner, than Holmes and 1.04 is in the ballpark.

so these injuries don't worry you? 31 next year and it seems like he's having problems staying healthy...

 

[Bronx Bomber]

Jon Baldwin. Still a lot of negative opinions out there after his preseason. Add in the fact that only one of his big plays has counted so far,and I think he can still be had very cheap. Baldwin has made fantastic big plays in both of the games following his week 8 breakout game, but both have been called back by penalties. IMO his talent level is elite, and once he really learns how to play the position, he'll be a force.

How long is Breaston signed for? Trying to figure out when Baldwin will be relevant. With Moeaki coming back there's a lot of play makers with not a lot of targets to go around, correct?

How long is Dwayne Bowe signed for? 4 more games?Breaston signed a 5 year deal before the year and basically only next year is guaranteed.

KC homers: any clarity on this? Any talk of them not resigning Bowe? Or indication if he wants to go somewhere else?

 

[jonboltz]

Jon Baldwin. Still a lot of negative opinions out there after his preseason. Add in the fact that only one of his big plays has counted so far,and I think he can still be had very cheap. Baldwin has made fantastic big plays in both of the games following his week 8 breakout game, but both have been called back by penalties. IMO his talent level is elite, and once he really learns how to play the position, he'll be a force.

How long is Breaston signed for? Trying to figure out when Baldwin will be relevant. With Moeaki coming back there's a lot of play makers with not a lot of targets to go around, correct?

How long is Dwayne Bowe signed for? 4 more games?Breaston signed a 5 year deal before the year and basically only next year is guaranteed.

KC homers: any clarity on this? Any talk of them not resigning Bowe? Or indication if he wants to go somewhere else?

Likely franchise tag for Bowe.

 

[Scooby1974]

Maybe look at Terrence Austin in Washington as the slot guy. With the rumor of Peyton Manning possibly going to Washington next year, this guy could become valuable like Austin Collie was in Indy.

I know we are grasping at straws here...so when in Rome...What about Anthony Armstrong in this "major rumor: Peyton to Washington situation?"

 

[Couch Potato]

Danny Amendola: on IR right now, but should return as good as new next year, and with Lloyd taking the deep threats and the double teams, the slot in st louis may be a gold mine next season.

I'd be interested in people's thoughts on Greg Salas vs. Amendola for next year. When Salas took over for Amendola in the slot in weeks 6-9 he had 8, 2, 5, and 7 catches on 10, 2, 6, and 9 targets. That's an impressive 22 catches on 27 targets. He's bigger, stronger than Amendola and has better RAC ability. Amendola is a RFA and probably will be back, but who gets the slot job? There are probably 60-70+ catches for whoever it is, and in PPR leagues especially that's worth something.Thoughts?

 

[saintfool]

Danny Amendola: on IR right now, but should return as good as new next year, and with Lloyd taking the deep threats and the double teams, the slot in st louis may be a gold mine next season.

I'd be interested in people's thoughts on Greg Salas vs. Amendola for next year. When Salas took over for Amendola in the slot in weeks 6-9 he had 8, 2, 5, and 7 catches on 10, 2, 6, and 9 targets. That's an impressive 22 catches on 27 targets. He's bigger, stronger than Amendola and has better RAC ability. Amendola is a RFA and probably will be back, but who gets the slot job? There are probably 60-70+ catches for whoever it is, and in PPR leagues especially that's worth something.Thoughts?

hard to judge really. if lloyd stays and they pick up a legit starting WR (either in the draft or through FA) then targets for that slot should go down.

 

[LOCO]

Maclin? Djax could be on the way out. I think his price is still affordable.

 

[Max Power]

I'm officially set. The guy is Andre Johnson....by far... He obviously still costs a pretty penny, but certainly not the cost of what he is actually worth.

Curious to hear what you'd give up for him?Multiple first round picks? AJ is a beast and his owners know it. I can't imagine he is being discounted by any savvy owner at this point. An injury and losing your starting QB is going to hurt anyone's stat line. But those are both temporary, and there is no reason to think he wont be flirting with a top 5 WR finish next season

So you dont think theres a risk to owning him now? a 30 year old injury prone WR, I'm sure some guys would be willing to trade if you give them a sensible offer. Dynasty value for WRs over 30 is a steep, slippery slope. Personally I would give up what is looking to be 1.4 and Santonio Holmes. I'm saying buy low for Andre Johnson, not just some guy.

It does depend on the owner. Youth is VERY overrated in dynasty leagues. I think Andre still has 2-3 years as a must start fantasy WR. But where I think youth is overrated, other owners can't get enough of it. If thats the Andre owner, than Holmes and 1.04 is in the ballpark.

so these injuries don't worry you? 31 next year and it seems like he's having problems staying healthy...

I posted that before last weeks injury, so yes...the injuries are now sitting heavier in the back of my head. But look at the stats he just put up with a third string QB and less than a full game. The guy still has it! Would you really trade him for Santonio Holmes and mid first? I'd take Andre risk over the risk of the later... I personally wouldn't call him undervalued, but if others think so, I don't blame them

 

[Max Power]

Maclin? Djax could be on the way out. I think his price is still affordable.

I totally agree and disagree. I think Djax is on his way out and Maclin is a VERY Talented WR who is "semi-affordable". I tired to acquire him in two leagues and couldn't. One owner wanted V. Jax and a first round pick (8-12) range and the other owner wanted Tom Brady and Daniel Thomas which isn't a bad trade, but its not cheap.

 

[wiscstlatlmia]

I'm officially set. The guy is Andre Johnson....by far... He obviously still costs a pretty penny, but certainly not the cost of what he is actually worth.

Curious to hear what you'd give up for him?Multiple first round picks? AJ is a beast and his owners know it. I can't imagine he is being discounted by any savvy owner at this point. An injury and losing your starting QB is going to hurt anyone's stat line. But those are both temporary, and there is no reason to think he wont be flirting with a top 5 WR finish next season

So you dont think theres a risk to owning him now? a 30 year old injury prone WR, I'm sure some guys would be willing to trade if you give them a sensible offer. Dynasty value for WRs over 30 is a steep, slippery slope. Personally I would give up what is looking to be 1.4 and Santonio Holmes. I'm saying buy low for Andre Johnson, not just some guy.

It does depend on the owner. Youth is VERY overrated in dynasty leagues. I think Andre still has 2-3 years as a must start fantasy WR. But where I think youth is overrated, other owners can't get enough of it. If thats the Andre owner, than Holmes and 1.04 is in the ballpark.

so these injuries don't worry you? 31 next year and it seems like he's having problems staying healthy...

I posted that before last weeks injury, so yes...the injuries are now sitting heavier in the back of my head. But look at the stats he just put up with a third string QB and less than a full game. The guy still has it! Would you really trade him for Santonio Holmes and mid first? I'd take Andre risk over the risk of the later... I personally wouldn't call him undervalued, but if others think so, I don't blame them

Andre is still a stud, an injury prone stud, but a stud nonetheless... I'm liking this injury for buying low. He is officially the Frank Gore of WRs ...just plan your roster accordingly when he misses a few weeks here and there. The nice thing about him is that when hes playing, you know hes going to produce, no doubts about it.

 

[Max Power]

Danny Amendola: on IR right now, but should return as good as new next year, and with Lloyd taking the deep threats and the double teams, the slot in st louis may be a gold mine next season.

I'd be interested in people's thoughts on Greg Salas vs. Amendola for next year. When Salas took over for Amendola in the slot in weeks 6-9 he had 8, 2, 5, and 7 catches on 10, 2, 6, and 9 targets. That's an impressive 22 catches on 27 targets. He's bigger, stronger than Amendola and has better RAC ability. Amendola is a RFA and probably will be back, but who gets the slot job? There are probably 60-70+ catches for whoever it is, and in PPR leagues especially that's worth something.Thoughts?

I own Amendola and I'll admit to not even watching a STL game when Salas was in, so this will be bias... But Danny A looked like he has very good hands and was a shifty WR once getting the ball. Very Wes welker-ish. I think he comes back next year as solid as he was in 2010. I'm not sure a true WR#1 and lloyd will take much away from that underneath passing game. Its a copycat league, and we saw how NE used Wes, so I really think we will see something similar with Danny. 75-90 catch season 1000 yards 3-7 TDs.

 

[Dawg Pound 69]

Maclin? Djax could be on the way out. I think his price is still affordable.

As a Maclin owner, I hope DeSean stays in Philly. While he is a headcase, defenses give him much respect which opens things up for Maclin.

 

[Bronx Bomber]

Sidney Rice has been dropped in some dynasty leagues, which seems crazy to me. Could prob get him cheap.

 

[loose circuits]

I'm officially set. The guy is Andre Johnson....by far... He obviously still costs a pretty penny, but certainly not the cost of what he is actually worth.

Curious to hear what you'd give up for him?Multiple first round picks? AJ is a beast and his owners know it. I can't imagine he is being discounted by any savvy owner at this point. An injury and losing your starting QB is going to hurt anyone's stat line. But those are both temporary, and there is no reason to think he wont be flirting with a top 5 WR finish next season

So you dont think theres a risk to owning him now? a 30 year old injury prone WR, I'm sure some guys would be willing to trade if you give them a sensible offer. Dynasty value for WRs over 30 is a steep, slippery slope. Personally I would give up what is looking to be 1.4 and Santonio Holmes. I'm saying buy low for Andre Johnson, not just some guy.

It does depend on the owner. Youth is VERY overrated in dynasty leagues. I think Andre still has 2-3 years as a must start fantasy WR. But where I think youth is overrated, other owners can't get enough of it. If thats the Andre owner, than Holmes and 1.04 is in the ballpark.

so these injuries don't worry you? 31 next year and it seems like he's having problems staying healthy...

I posted that before last weeks injury, so yes...the injuries are now sitting heavier in the back of my head. But look at the stats he just put up with a third string QB and less than a full game. The guy still has it! Would you really trade him for Santonio Holmes and mid first? I'd take Andre risk over the risk of the later... I personally wouldn't call him undervalued, but if others think so, I don't blame them

I wouldn't call 1.04 a 'mid-1st' especially in next year's draft and Santonio Holmes has huge potential if Sanchez can get consistent. Probably depends on the make up of the rest of your team whether or not that is a good deal. Johnson's future years of production are certainly limited so he's only useful to teams in win now mode. Not many WR's can maintain production well into their 30's so I don't typically try to snag them.