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University: Frats Must Admit Women (1 Viewer)

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Wesleyan Orders Fraternities to Become Coed

ABC, 9/22/2014

Wesleyan University in Connecticut on Monday ordered its fraternities with houses on campus to become coeducational within three years, a move it says is not just about bad behavior but also equality.

Wesleyan follows Trinity College in Hartford, which began the transition starting in 2012, citing problems with drinking and drug use in Greek organizations. It also comes less than a month after Wesleyan closed the Beta Theta Pi fraternity house after a woman attending a party there was seriously injured after falling from a third-floor window.

But school spokeswoman Kate Carlisle said the changes are not a response to any one incident.

"This has been the subject of ongoing concern and discussion among the people in the administration, the school community, the alumni community and so forth for a number of years," she said.

The decision was announced in a letter to the university community from President Michael Roth and trustees Chairman Joshua Boger. It requires Greek organizations with houses on campus to have both male and female members and to have each gender "well represented" in their organizational leadership to qualify for housing on campus and the use of university spaces.

"Our residential Greek organizations inspire loyalty, community and independence. That's why all our students should be eligible to join them," Roth and Boger wrote. "Although this change does not affect nonresidential organizations, we are hopeful that groups across the University will continue to work together to create a more inclusive, equitable and safer campus."

Peter Smithhisler, the chief executive of the North-American Interfraternity Conference, said any school that dictates what type of organizations students can join is "inhibiting fundamental principles of freedom of expression and freedom of association upon which our country is premised and upon which it functions."

"It is essential that fraternities be allowed to decide for themselves if they wish to offer co-ed membership," said Smithhisler, whose trade association represents 74 male fraternities.

Smithhisler said Trinity and Wesleyan are the only two schools he knows of that have mandated fraternities be coed.

Wesleyan, a private liberal arts school in Middletown, has about 2,900 undergraduate, and 200 graduate students. It is well known for its progressive student body and faculty, satirized under a pseudonym in the 1994 movie "P.C.U.," which was written by two former Wesleyan students.

The school has no residential sororities and just two active all-male residential fraternities — Delta Kappa Epsilon and Psi Upsilon. Neither immediately responded to requests for comment.

Wesleyan has several non-residential fraternities and one non-residential sorority, Rho Epsilon that are not affected by the policy change. Another fraternity, Alpha Delta Phi, has been coeducational for several decades, Carlisle said. Roth was the president of that organization when he was a student at Wesleyan in the 1970s, Carlisle said.

Trinity's move also followed several high-profile incidents involving fraternities and a report that found increased drug and alcohol use among members of single-sex Greek organizations. That report also found those students had lower grades than the average Trinity student.

Trinity's response also requires students to have at least a 3.0 grade-point average to join a Greek organization and for the organizations to maintain a 3.0 average or higher as a group. The organizations also must contribute to the college through programming, service, philanthropy or some other social effort. The groups have until the fall of 2016 to comply.

"Progress to date has been focused on activities and programs that foster a co-educational environment," Trinity spokeswoman Kathy Andrews said in an email to The Associated Press. She said the college hopes its efforts "result in quantifiable progress."

 
Wesleyan! Firebombing! This is no surprise. I live close to Wesleyan and have -- had -- friends that live a literal five steps from campus. I've been to those frats. They're pretty kind. It's so weird that the most progressive policies are enacted at places that need them the least.

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

eta* Also, Connecticut. :lmao: And people can't figure out why I think I had a sort of radical environment to be brought up in. Forty minutes from Wesleyan. Thirty from Trinity, Mt. Holyoke, Smith, etc.

This #### makes me laugh.

eta* Just so people don't think I'm being hyperbolic, for anybody that cares (which I wouldn't unless I lived there.) http://wesleying.org/2010/04/20/activism-or-terrorism-the-chace-firebombing-twenty-years-on/

 
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Lambda Lambda Lambda is on board with this plan.
One good thing about frats and sororities is that it helped me learn Greek. For instance, I am pretty certain that delta delta delta means fat chick in Greek.

 
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eta* Just so people don't think I'm being hyperbolic, for anybody that cares (which I wouldn't unless I lived there.) http://wesleying.org/2010/04/20/activism-or-terrorism-the-chace-firebombing-twenty-years-on/
"And so it’s out of this spirit of general social unrest that certain students viewed the bombing as an understandable if not legitimate response to administrative disregard of widespread student concerns"

That line pretty much sums up these student activists.

Reminds me a bit of this.

 
eta* Just so people don't think I'm being hyperbolic, for anybody that cares (which I wouldn't unless I lived there.) http://wesleying.org/2010/04/20/activism-or-terrorism-the-chace-firebombing-twenty-years-on/
"And so it’s out of this spirit of general social unrest that certain students viewed the bombing as an understandable if not legitimate response to administrative disregard of widespread student concerns"

That line pretty much sums up these student activists.

Reminds me a bit of this.
"We're not gonna protest! We're not gonna protest! We're not gonna protest!"

 
Don't they have sororities?
http://www.wesleyan.edu/orientation/faq.html

  • Is there Greek life at Wesleyan?Greek life is small at Wes, but it is there for those who seek it. There are a few fraternities on campus, some with fraternity houses and some without. There is also one sorority at Wes, but they do not have a sorority house. We also have coed societies. The fraternities and coed societies with houses host social events on the weekends or rent their space out to other organizations to do so.
 
So by exposing women to more drugs and alcohol they are going to help this "problem"?

Ok...man, it must be great being an academic admin. You just throw #### at a wall for a career and regardless if any of it sticks or not you get lauded for being progressive and forward thinking. Data, logic, and common sense never even enter into the equation. No wonder they all have no semblance of a vertically mobile structure at Universities: what the hell would your promote people on?

 
So by exposing women to more drugs and alcohol they are going to help this "problem"?

Ok...man, it must be great being an academic admin. You just throw #### at a wall for a career and regardless if any of it sticks or not you get lauded for being progressive and forward thinking. Data, logic, and common sense never even enter into the equation. No wonder they all have no semblance of a vertically mobile structure at Universities: what the hell would your promote people on?
You think there are currently women on campus that are not exposed to drugs and alcohol, who would be exposed to it if frats go co-ed?

 
Not exposed at all to exposed? No, that's stupid.

I think if women join frats they will be around drugs and alcohol consumed in greater quantities with more frequency than they were previously.

 
Not exposed at all to exposed? No, that's stupid.

I think if women join frats they will be around drugs and alcohol consumed in greater quantities with more frequency than they were previously.
Sure, that's possible. It's also possible that the presence of women may change the behavior of the fraternities, at least to some degree.

 
Not exposed at all to exposed? No, that's stupid.

I think if women join frats they will be around drugs and alcohol consumed in greater quantities with more frequency than they were previously.
Sure, that's possible. It's also possible that the presence of women may change the behavior of the fraternities, at least to some degree.
So we're pretending that fraternities have never been exposed to women?

 
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fatguyinalittlecoat said:
Clifford said:
Not exposed at all to exposed? No, that's stupid.

I think if women join frats they will be around drugs and alcohol consumed in greater quantities with more frequency than they were previously.
Sure, that's possible. It's also possible that the presence of women may change the behavior of the fraternities, at least to some degree.
So we're pretending that fraternities have never been exposed to women?
Very few fraternity houses have women living in them, as far as I know.

 
I like this idea.

Someone needs to cook, clean and iron shirts for all of those guys.

 
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Do you honestly think that will make a difference or you just playing devil's advocate?
Well, yeah, I think it will make a difference, either by frats going co-ed or by them moving off-campus. My views are colored very much by what I know about Wesleyan and the little bit I read today about their Greek life. Wesleyan already has co-ed "societies" with houses on campus that are apparently somewhat akin to frats. There are only a handful of actual fraternities. They don't appear to be the major driver of social life on campus. I suspect the objective of this is to further marginalize fraternities, which are already pretty marginalized.

I would probably feel differently if this was done at some big state school where there are dozens of fraternities and they are the major hub of campus life.

 
There are two residential fraternities at Wesleyan according to the article. They are the only ones impacted by this. Find something better to complain about.

 
There are two residential fraternities at Wesleyan according to the article. They are the only ones impacted by this. Find something better to complain about.
So it's not the principle but the number of fraternity members affected that matters? Based on that rationale, you would be opposed to this action at a university with a strong fraternity presence like, say, the University of Georgia?

And if we're concentrating on the number of people adversely affected, do you think there are more guys in those two Wesleyan fraternities who would prefer to remain a men's club or more Wesleyan women clamoring to become members of those two fraternities but who have been excluded against their wishes?

Regarding principle vs. number affected, from the article:


Peter Smithhisler, the chief executive of the North-American Interfraternity Conference, said any school that dictates what type of organizations students can join is "inhibiting fundamental principles of freedom of expression and freedom of association upon which our country is premised and upon which it functions. It is essential that fraternities be allowed to decide for themselves if they wish to offer co-ed membership."

 
Peter Smithhisler, the chief executive of the North-American Interfraternity Conference, said any school that dictates what type of organizations students can join is "inhibiting fundamental principles of freedom of expression and freedom of association upon which our country is premised and upon which it functions. It is essential that fraternities be allowed to decide for themselves if they wish to offer co-ed membership."
What about Wesleyan's freedoms of association? It doesn't want single-sex fraternities on its campus. Why should it be forced to have them?

 
Peter Smithhisler, the chief executive of the North-American Interfraternity Conference, said any school that dictates what type of organizations students can join is "inhibiting fundamental principles of freedom of expression and freedom of association upon which our country is premised and upon which it functions. It is essential that fraternities be allowed to decide for themselves if they wish to offer co-ed membership."
What about Wesleyan's freedoms of association? It doesn't want single-sex fraternities on its campus. Why should it be forced to have them?
Wesleyan University has plenty of other groups which appear to allow discrimination base on gender, sexuality, race, and/or ethnicity (See below). It would be easier to respect the administration's expressed goal for inclusiveness and equality within campus groups if the administration applied their rule equally across all campus groups.

https://wesep.wesleyan.edu/cgi-perl/students/wsanew/wsa_groups.cgi

Identity Group: Ethnicity

African Students Association

Ajua Campos

Asian American Student Collective (AASC)

Caribbean Students Association

Chinese Board Game

WesQuisqueya

Hong Kong Student Association

Indonesyan Invisible Men

Japan Society

Korean Students Association

MIX

PADThai

PANGEA

Para La Familia

PINOY

Shakti

SUYA

Taiwanese Cultural Society

Ujamaa

Vietnamese Student Association (VSA)

Women of Color Collective

Identity Group: Religion

Wesleyan Association of Christian Thinkers

Multi-Cultural Campus Ministries (MCM)

Catholic Student Organization

Wesleyan Christian Fellowship

Interfaith Justice League

Muslim Student Association (MSA)

Unitarian Universalist Campus Ministry

Wesleyan Veritas Forum

WesChristian Connect

Identity Group: Sexuality

Wesleyan Peers for Queers

Queer Organizing Commitee

Queer/Trans Collective

QueerWes

SPECTRUM

Womanist House


 
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Wesleyan University has plenty of other groups which appear to allow discrimination base on gender, sexuality, race, and/or ethnicity (See below).
I suspect most of those groups do not discriminate. If you're some white dude that wants to join the Taiwanese Cultural Society, nobody will stop you.

I guess "Womanist House" is probably an exception and maybe a few others, I don't know. I think there the interest in "inclusion" is overriden by other interests.

 

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