NorvilleBarnes
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I see she's running for . . . re-election. 
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Unofficial Stacey Abrams for GA Gov thread. (1 Viewer)
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James Daulton
Footballguy
Pretty sure she pulls this one out. Dems love her and the party of Trump is angry at Kemp for not bowing to Trump's pressure to illegally change the will of the people in 2020.
Shula-holic
Footballguy
Well you know, before not conceding and saying you won when you really lost was A-OK.I see she's running for . . . re-election.
Boston
Footballguy
GordonGekko
Footballguy
Direct Headline: Trump Hasn't Conceded Georgia. Neither Did Stacey Abrams. What Changed?
A refusal to concede isn't a new concept to Georgia. The 2018 Democratic candidate for governor, Stacey Abrams, also refused to concede to her Republican opponent, Brian Kemp.
Emma Hurt November 18, 20208:00 AM ET
https://www.npr.org/2020/11/18/935734198/trump-hasnt-conceded-georgia-neither-did-stacey-abrams-what-changed
https://www.heritage.org/election-integrity/commentary/stacey-abrams-false-claims-about-election-integrity
*****
Bad future political optics when you refuse to concede the Governors race you lost, stating that election was stolen from you. Then you criticize a sitting President for doing the same thing.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Just curious - assuming you’ve read her “concession speech” - do you see her actions and Trumps as equivalent?
GordonGekko
Footballguy
Direct Headline: CNN pundit irks colleagues by pointing out hypocrisy between coverage of Stacey Abrams, Trump
By Brian Flood 11/17/20
https://www.foxnews.com/media/cnn-stacey-abrams-trump-ham-election-challenge
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Bad future political optics when the most complicit activist propaganda wing of the leftist MSM can't burn out it's previous trail of breadcrumps in a future election cycle.
Abrams will have to answer for all of the media narratives that were useful in the 2020 cycle but will backfire when the scandals start to turn in the opposite direction.
GordonGekko
Footballguy
Direct Headline: Georgia group founded by Stacey Abrams under investigation for seeking out-of-state, dead voters
Group was previously chaired by Democratic Senate candidate Raphael Warnock
By Brooke Singman 12/2/20
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/voter-group-founded-by-stacey-abrams-under-investigation-seeking-out-of-state-dead
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Bad future political optics when you barnstorm 850K new voters, then face allegations of ballot chasing/ballot harvesting/election and voter fraud and are investigated for it. When asked where you got the 12 million dollars used to fund this massive registration drive, you then refuse to answer.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
FTR - I think she should have explained her position a little further and officially conceded.
GordonGekko
Footballguy
Direct Headline: Georgia Democrat Stacey Abrams Owes Voters Answers On Her Tax Scandal
General, Georgia, RGA News August 23, 2018
https://www.rga.org/georgia-democrat-stacey-abrams-owes-voters-answers-tax-scandal/
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Bad future political optics when you don't pay your taxes. Then there are deep ugly questions about why someone swimming in debt was making large scale contributions to Democratic candidates in the 2020 cycle and where that money was actually coming from and why.
Georgia was won with dark money. That's the worst kept secret in all of professional politics in 2020. As Abrams has her profile expand, so does the deep digging into following the money.
GordonGekko
Footballguy
Direct Headline: Stacey Abrams speaks out on Columbus voter eligibility, criticizes Secretary of State
Stacey Abrams defended her sister, federal judge Leslie Abrams Gardner, after Georgia’s top election official criticized her ruling that Muscogee County couldn’t require more than 4,000 voters to prove they can legally vote in Columbus.
By Nick Wooten December 30, 2020 05:58 PM
https://www.ledger-enquirer.com/news/politics-government/election/article248169635.html
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Bad future political optics when your sister, a federal judge, refuses to recuse herself from cases where the rulings worked in Stacey Abram's political favor. How does that make Abram's view of democracy actually look?
How about a good start in Abrams explaining how her own sister started cooking partisanship from the bench to her personal advantage?
The General
Footballguy
If Kemp can’t contain Don she should be able to pull it out this time.
Enjoy your fun political ad season @AAABatteries, these things will start early next year for you!
Enjoy your fun political ad season @AAABatteries, these things will start early next year for you!
GordonGekko
Footballguy
Direct Headline: Stacey Abrams credited with boosting Democrats in Georgia
(Stacey) Abrams, the 46-year-old former Georgia state house minority leader who ran unsuccessfully for governor in 2018 and registered some 800,000 voters in the state, has played an instrumental role in building a new, Democratic coalition that helped turn red Georgia into a political battleground.
By Chris Moody 13 Nov 2020
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/11/13/stacey-abrams-credited-with-boosting-georgia-democrats-prospects
Direct Headline: Stacey Abrams: I'm running for governor and am $200,000 in debt
Turner Cowles November 6, 2018
https://www.yahoo.com/now/stacey-abrams-im-running-governor-200000-debt-191600455.html
Direct Headline: Stacey Abrams’s Record Is Not as Progressive as She Wants You to Think
By the time Abrams had ascended to leadership in 2010, the Democrats had lost the governor’s office for the third time and held just eighty-five of the state House and Senate’s 236 seats.. In such a weak position, Abrams made repeatedly clear she saw her role primarily as one of working with Republicans. “We should, first and foremost, compromise where we can,” she later said, stressing it would be the only way the Democrats could have an impact.
By Branko Marcetic 7/24/2020
https://jacobinmag.com/2020/07/stacey-abrams-democratic-party
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People will question some of these fraud numbers pushed in the 2020 cycle, but Abrams was under the gun by DNC HQ to register as many voters as possible. There were rough tabulations of 66,248 of "Under 18 Voters" who were accused of illegally voting. Some of the ballot chasing groups linked to her put her under deep investigation by the office of the Secretary Of State. Her poor individual financial record/judgement ( owing the IRS but still making large donations to politicians) has drawn her fire as to how she's generating these recruiting numbers i.e. ballot harvesting via dark money can be profitable and was a quick way out of personal self inflicted financial scandal.
A larger problem is when she was House minority leader, she was seen as a traitor by many in her own Party and kowtowing to the reality that there was a deep Red entrenchment that she didn't likely believe she could overcome. Her policy record shows she is the most brutal to the most poor and most in need of help within the greater black community in her districts. That doesn't look bi-partisan to raging woke cancel culture tribalists in her ranks, that looks like complicit surrender to move the target off her own back.
Your cheap dirty Orange Man Bad is not going to cut it here. Abrams has legitimate deep rooted problems in any future campaign that have nothing to do with Trump and much to do with self inflicted scandal she might not be able to hide on a broader national stage.
timschochet
Footballguy
I understand her novel has gotten pretty good reviews. On my list.
GordonGekko
Footballguy
Direct Headline: Georgia’s Election Mess: Many Problems, Plenty of Blame, Few Solutions for November
Fair Fight Action, the voting rights organization started by Stacey Abrams, is considering more lawsuits on top of the one it has pending against the secretary of state’s office after the disputed 2018 governor’s race that Ms. Abrams lost to Gov. Brian Kemp. And a number of Georgia Democrats and voting rights advocates have called for Mr. Raffensperger to resign......
By Richard Fausset and Reid J. Epstein June 10, 2020
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/10/us/politics/georgia-primary-election-voting.html
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Abrams can't run for Governor without answering for the sheer number of voters she registered in the 2020 cycle. She's on record saying the formalized voting process in Georgia was cooked and corrupt and the Dominion systems couldn't be trusted. This lines up with a push by Amy Klobuchar and Elizabeth Warren saying the same things before Election Day 2020. As soon as Abrams runs, all of this resurfaces.
Putting Abrams back into the national daily media cycle only bolsters Trump's ability to look like a POTUS contender in 2024. Every scandal and conflict she brings only fuels a natural counter narrative to many of the core criticisms of another Trump run.
Consider the basic math behind votes that went for Biden and Democrats down the ticket that were accused of being in dispute -
2,056 Felons Illegally Voted
66,248 Under 18 Voted
2,423 Weren’t Not Registered At All
1,043 Used A PO Box
4,926 Voted Past The Voter Registration Date
10,315 Died Before The Election (Contestable)
395 Voted In Two States
15,700 Voted Though They Had Moved Out Of State
40,279 Changed County And Didn’t Re-register
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133,070 Total Accused Invalid Votes ( Removing 10,315 Death Votes as that's contestable)
vs
12,500 - 12,670 Margin Of Victory (Recount Flux)
James Daulton
Footballguy
Why hasn't someone taken those numbers to court and filed a lawsuit?
Seems like pretty blatant cheating to me.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
She's of the mold of "The Squad" in Congress.
The Democrat Party just keeps getting further and further left.
The Democrat Party just keeps getting further and further left.
The General
Footballguy
Just to mess with Kemp, typical Trump ramblings.
I suspect he'll back off when it comes down to it as he's a flip flop machine and all Kemp has to do is say a few good things about Don...but you never know.
timschochet
Footballguy
I don’t think this is an accurate statement. Do you have anything to back it up? My understanding is that Abrams is generally more of a “Biden” Democrat, and doesn’t share the views of AOC or Omar.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
squistion
Footballguy
It is The Democratic Party, not The Democrat Party.
Democrat Party is considered pejorative as you have been told before. Please use the correct name in the future unless you are intentionally trying to antagonize people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrat_Party_(epithet)
Democrat Party is an epithet for the Democratic Party of the United States, used in a disparaging fashion by the party's opponents. While the term has been used in a non-hostile way, it has grown in its negative use since the 1940s, in particular by members of the Republican Party—in party platforms, partisan speeches, and press releases—as well as by conservative commentators and third party politicians.[1][2][3]
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Amused to Death
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I read that as Abrams saying even though AOC is different than me, it's good she's in the party because diversity is good.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
I see it as anytime someone says they want Socialists in their party, then that means they approve of that message.
timschochet
Footballguy
What? No it doesn’t. You’re really stretching IMO.
Look her views are clearly stated on her website and on Wiki. If you can find a socialist one, come back and post it.
The General
Footballguy
I don't remember too much about Abrams except being impressed with here on a few interviews.I read this quote as saying the Dem party is a big tent thing, she said she would be considered a moderate in California.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
The General
Footballguy
I am not certain of what her contention is. Typically no though.
Not sure where she is at politically, just going off the quote you put in. She may be a communist for all I know but that quote you had doesn't really present her as a socialist. I am not super familiar with her but do remember her coming across well in interviews.
timschochet
Footballguy
If you’re going to criticize her for that, then do so. But it has nothing to do with her political positions. Again, if you can find some that are similar to the Squad then point them out. I can tell you one area where she is absolutely opposed to the Squad- her strong support for Israel.
NCCommish
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NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
squistion
Footballguy
From the link I posted:
Democrat Party is an epithet for the Democratic Party of the United States, used in a disparaging fashion by the party's opponents. While the term has been used in a non-hostile way, it has grown in its negative use since the 1940s, in particular by members of the Republican Party—in party platforms, partisan speeches, and press releases—as well as by conservative commentators and third party politicians.[1][2][3]
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
Yes I read that. I guess I just don't understand why it's considered an epithet. Do you?
timschochet
Footballguy
I believe all four of them regard themselves as “democratic socialists”. I don’t think the distinction you’re making is that significant.
timschochet
Footballguy
I know that. And I suspect that she would be far too centrist for you on a host of other issues as well. Which is why I strongly challenged @BladeRunner’s assertion.
Boston
Footballguy
My guess is because there is an Ivy league Professor who has run out of words for us not to use so he/she came up with that one.
JAA
Footballguy
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Because wikipedia, which pretty much anyone can edit, says so. It's a strange hill on which to die, but I guess he gets off on badgering people left and right about the misuse of a word that is fairly harmless.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
BladeRunner
Footballguy
Yeah, seems petty. Like the type of petty you use when you can't stand upon the merits of your own argument. Also like the people who start being real concerned with grammar and spelling once their arguments are exposed.
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
I think the key to this election is for Abrams to expand her voter base by finding more out of state voters, dead people, minors, and convicted felons to close the gap from the last election.
JAA
Footballguy
JAA
Footballguy
Have you actually ever tried to edit Wikipedia? Its not how is really works (insert cluebot)
NCCommish
Footballguy
I think words have meanings. So yes it is a distinction. Democratic socialists are not Socialists. They have different philosophies on governance and policy.
NCCommish
Footballguy
I think you meant Republican lite. With that said she has done some stuff I can support so she's on my meh list. Don't hate her, not thrilled by her, won't send her money.
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
BladeRunner
Footballguy
"Democratic Socialist" is nothing more than a smoke screen to fool the lemmings on how they really feel. It's nothing more than the word "Socialist" preceded by the word "Democratic". When they realized that "Socialist" wasn't going to work, they added "Democratic" in front of it to make it appear they weren't Socialists. It certainly has fooled a few people.
Once there is enough of them and they get the power they so crave, then "Democratic" will be dropped. Don't be fooled.
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