I believe him as well since he didn't hide his injury.Nuff said. Pure speculation. From Caddy's quote last week, I'm not as concerned. “I’m definitely excited,” he said. “We’ll find out what goes on this week, but it should be full go. I should be ready to go, back to playing some football. I’m definitely looking forward to it.”from thehuddle.com
Carnell Williams - RB, Tampa Bay Buccaneers 10/25/05
Doctors familiar with treating athlete's with foot injuries say that if ......
Regardless of the injury, I love this kids attitude. You ever see him pop back up after a run? He is ready to go immediately. He's just so excited to be playing. I think he'll have a great career.“I’m definitely excited,” he said. “We’ll find out what goes on this week, but it should be full go. I should be ready to go, back to playing some football. I’m definitely looking forward to it.”
Agreed - seems to be a big reason why Gruden has loved the guy since the Senior Bowl.Regardless of the injury, I love this kids attitude. You ever see him pop back up after a run? He is ready to go immediately. He's just so excited to be playing. I think he'll have a great career.“I’m definitely excited,” he said. “We’ll find out what goes on this week, but it should be full go. I should be ready to go, back to playing some football. I’m definitely looking forward to it.”
And it is not like they are hurting at RB .... Pittman has really stepped up and done a superb job with the starts. Let him rest ... no pressure on him to start or on the team to get him back.I agree with you on this, from how serious this Lisfranc injury sounds, I'd think the Bucs would be oh so cautious with their new franchise rb and make him do absolutely nothing but heal.Certainly not out of the question, but, three weeks later, I think we'd know about it by now if that were the case.A Lisfranc injury is actually a fracture of a foot bone that leads to displacement of other foot bones. If this is really his injury, he is going to be out for awhile (depending on severity of course). This has to heal properly or there could be long term damage.
I wonder if this is really his injury.
Especially vs. SF, where they shouldn't need him in order to win.I think if Gruden lets him hit the field, that'll mean he's close to 100%.
Yep. Gruden cares about how smart you are, so he'll shut Caddy down.why can't they just declare this putz cadillac out for the year already and then all the savvy cadillac owners who also own pittman in redraft leagues can rest easy at night and not have to follow this soap opera any longer
I think Gruden would be the first to say that no game is a gimme. With Simms in there and Gruden most likely wanting to estabish the run game, if Caddy is ready to go, he'll likely be in there.Especially vs. SF, where they shouldn't need him in order to win.I think if Gruden lets him hit the field, that'll mean he's close to 100%.
Agreed. I think the Bucs win at SF, but this is not a gimme... I can definitely picture SF rebounding after their horrid performance last week and with Simms starting, you're correct, TB needs to establish the run game. And if SF is weak, this might give Caddy the opportunity to work out some kinks - if there are anyI think Gruden would be the first to say that no game is a gimme. With Simms in there and Gruden most likely wanting to estabish the run game, if Caddy is ready to go, he'll likely be in there.Especially vs. SF, where they shouldn't need him in order to win.I think if Gruden lets him hit the field, that'll mean he's close to 100%.
Just to add per KFFL:Buccaneers | Williams Practice, a Likely Game-Time DecisionBucs
Cadillac Looks 'Good', Still Questionable
Bucs running back Cadillac Williams is still on the team's injury report, listed as questionable for Sunday's game against San Francisco.
Coach Jon Gruden said Williams was able to ``do everything`` at Wednesday's practice and when asked whether Williams would be a game- time decision, Gruden was non-committal.
``He looked good today,'' Gruden said.
Williams has missed two games with a sprained arch in his left foot.
http://www.sptimes.com/2005/10/26/Bucs/Cad...cticed_to.shtmlCadillac practiced today and 'looked okay'The Bucs running back sidelined by a foot injury is expected to play Sunday.By RICK STROUD, Times Staff WriterPublished October 26, 2005--------------------------------------------------------------------------------TAMPA - Cadillac may be back.Rookie running back Cadillac Williams participated in practice Wednesday and showed no ill-effects to the foot injury that sidelined him the past two weeks.Williams is listed as questionable for Sunday's game at San Francisco but Gruden said he expects him to play."He looked okay to me today," Bucs coach Jon Gruden said. "He's got to get back into his rhythm as a football player. He's been out for some time. We expect him to play. We'll see how he feels tomorrow. Hopefully, he feels better and can perform more and more as the week unfolds."I thought he did everything. But he's got to get his timing back, his rhythm back in terms of hearing the plays and getting comfortable getting in and out of the huddle with game-type tempo. We'll see how his condition is and how he feels physically in the morning."[Last modified October 26, 2005, 17:05:00]
This should answer all questions. "Cadillac" will be playing...if the Bucs get up 20+ points than I would expect to see a lot of pittman in garbage time and that doesn't mean Pittman is garbage."Cadillac"...17-100-1And this one, albeit sounds a bit more promising:
http://www.sptimes.com/2005/10/26/Bucs/Cad...cticed_to.shtmlCadillac practiced today and 'looked okay'
The Bucs running back sidelined by a foot injury is expected to play Sunday.
By RICK STROUD, Times Staff Writer
Published October 26, 2005
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TAMPA - Cadillac may be back.
Rookie running back Cadillac Williams participated in practice Wednesday and showed no ill-effects to the foot injury that sidelined him the past two weeks.
Williams is listed as questionable for Sunday's game at San Francisco but Gruden said he expects him to play.
"He looked okay to me today," Bucs coach Jon Gruden said. "He's got to get back into his rhythm as a football player. He's been out for some time. We expect him to play. We'll see how he feels tomorrow. Hopefully, he feels better and can perform more and more as the week unfolds.
"I thought he did everything. But he's got to get his timing back, his rhythm back in terms of hearing the plays and getting comfortable getting in and out of the huddle with game-type tempo. We'll see how his condition is and how he feels physically in the morning."
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Good point - I forgot it was a 4PM game. Looks like if there's no info by 1PM, many of us will have to go Caddy-less and drive our own carts.Game starts at 4PM so a GTD could really suck.
Where do you see "Cadillac will be playing"? If you heard the audio it sounds MUCH more like Gruden said these things with a frustrated or pessimistic tone. Cadillac won't play much if at all. Why would they risk it against the 9'ers?This should answer all questions. "Cadillac" will be playing...if the Bucs get up 20+ points than I would expect to see a lot of pittman in garbage time and that doesn't mean Pittman is garbage."Cadillac"...17-100-1And this one, albeit sounds a bit more promising:
http://www.sptimes.com/2005/10/26/Bucs/Cad...cticed_to.shtmlCadillac practiced today and 'looked okay'
The Bucs running back sidelined by a foot injury is expected to play Sunday.
By RICK STROUD, Times Staff Writer
Published October 26, 2005
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TAMPA - Cadillac may be back.
Rookie running back Cadillac Williams participated in practice Wednesday and showed no ill-effects to the foot injury that sidelined him the past two weeks.
Williams is listed as questionable for Sunday's game at San Francisco but Gruden said he expects him to play.
"He looked okay to me today," Bucs coach Jon Gruden said. "He's got to get back into his rhythm as a football player. He's been out for some time. We expect him to play. We'll see how he feels tomorrow. Hopefully, he feels better and can perform more and more as the week unfolds.
"I thought he did everything. But he's got to get his timing back, his rhythm back in terms of hearing the plays and getting comfortable getting in and out of the huddle with game-type tempo. We'll see how his condition is and how he feels physically in the morning."
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Pittman......15-70-1 + 3-30...
No one knows if he'll be playing. Maybe not even Gruden at this point. So what are you basing your factual statement that "Cadillac won't play much if at all" on????[Where do you see "Cadillac will be playing"? If you heard the audio it sounds MUCH more like Gruden said these things with a frustrated or pessimistic tone. Cadillac won't play much if at all. Why would they risk it against the 9'ers?
The line in Red sounds pretty close. But it certainly leaves wiggle room. I don't think you can get either "will be playing" or "won't play much at all" from this.Where do you see "Cadillac will be playing"? If you heard the audio it sounds MUCH more like Gruden said these things with a frustrated or pessimistic tone. Cadillac won't play much if at all. Why would they risk it against the 9'ers?This should answer all questions. "Cadillac" will be playing...if the Bucs get up 20+ points than I would expect to see a lot of pittman in garbage time and that doesn't mean Pittman is garbage."Cadillac"...17-100-1And this one, albeit sounds a bit more promising:
http://www.sptimes.com/2005/10/26/Bucs/Cad...cticed_to.shtmlCadillac practiced today and 'looked okay'
The Bucs running back sidelined by a foot injury is expected to play Sunday.
By RICK STROUD, Times Staff Writer
Published October 26, 2005
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TAMPA - Cadillac may be back.
Rookie running back Cadillac Williams participated in practice Wednesday and showed no ill-effects to the foot injury that sidelined him the past two weeks.
Williams is listed as questionable for Sunday's game at San Francisco but Gruden said he expects him to play.
"He looked okay to me today," Bucs coach Jon Gruden said. "He's got to get back into his rhythm as a football player. He's been out for some time. We expect him to play. We'll see how he feels tomorrow. Hopefully, he feels better and can perform more and more as the week unfolds.
"I thought he did everything. But he's got to get his timing back, his rhythm back in terms of hearing the plays and getting comfortable getting in and out of the huddle with game-type tempo. We'll see how his condition is and how he feels physically in the morning."
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Pittman......15-70-1 + 3-30...
He said that before.The line in Red sounds pretty close. But it certainly leaves wiggle room. I don't think you can get either "will be playing" or "won't play much at all" from this.Where do you see "Cadillac will be playing"? If you heard the audio it sounds MUCH more like Gruden said these things with a frustrated or pessimistic tone. Cadillac won't play much if at all. Why would they risk it against the 9'ers?This should answer all questions. "Cadillac" will be playing...if the Bucs get up 20+ points than I would expect to see a lot of pittman in garbage time and that doesn't mean Pittman is garbage."Cadillac"...17-100-1And this one, albeit sounds a bit more promising:
http://www.sptimes.com/2005/10/26/Bucs/Cad...cticed_to.shtmlCadillac practiced today and 'looked okay'
The Bucs running back sidelined by a foot injury is expected to play Sunday.
By RICK STROUD, Times Staff Writer
Published October 26, 2005
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TAMPA - Cadillac may be back.
Rookie running back Cadillac Williams participated in practice Wednesday and showed no ill-effects to the foot injury that sidelined him the past two weeks.
Williams is listed as questionable for Sunday's game at San Francisco but Gruden said he expects him to play.
"He looked okay to me today," Bucs coach Jon Gruden said. "He's got to get back into his rhythm as a football player. He's been out for some time. We expect him to play. We'll see how he feels tomorrow. Hopefully, he feels better and can perform more and more as the week unfolds.
"I thought he did everything. But he's got to get his timing back, his rhythm back in terms of hearing the plays and getting comfortable getting in and out of the huddle with game-type tempo. We'll see how his condition is and how he feels physically in the morning."
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Pittman......15-70-1 + 3-30...
I tried to listen to it, but it won't work. What program do you need to run it?Here's the audio with the beat writer who sounds VERY pessimistic. This is NOT Jon Gruden.
Agreed - he did.If there is any silver lining, I suppose it is the fact that Caddy did seem to fully practice on Wednesday (today). In previous weeks, IIRC he didn't do too much early on, or was very limited in practice.He said that before.
I think he practiced the whole week the week before the MIAMI game. Not sure if it was on a limited basis or not. Like I said I am VERY worried about this injury and am trying my hardest to get Pittman cuz hes a very capable fill in.Agreed - he did.If there is any silver lining, I suppose it is the fact that Caddy did seem to fully practice on Wednesday (today). In previous weeks, IIRC he didn't do too much early on, or was very limited in practice.He said that before.
He just came off a bye week and was out for 2 games before that. What makes you think another week off means he's good to go the next week? I think this is something to worry about.This week, I can do without him...next week I need him....so here's to hoping he gets plenty of rest on that foot and be good to go next week.
I don't think that a game time decision would suck. THis is probably what you need to keep him out of your lineup. In his first year, coming back from and injury where he is less then 100%. Pittman has been playing well and up against San Fran.Game starts at 4PM so a GTD could really suck.
Thanks for the update. Looks like that was after yesterday's practice, so hopefully there will be some improvement after today.Caddy Update
Excerpts:
“It’s strange,” said Williams. “I’ve never had something like this where one day it feels good and the next day it’s so-so. Right now, I’m just taking it one day at a time, continuing to get treatment. I’m doing everything they’re telling me and I’m working through this thing.
“The progress has been slow. I never thought it would be like this, where I’d be missing two or three games. I’ve been out a couple weeks now and it’s still been giving me trouble. Progress has been slow, but on Sunday I had time to rest, I rested it all last week and I feel like I should be ready to go.”
“I think that starts at practice,” said Williams. “[i need to] come out and get that comfort level back at practice. I did get off to an explosive start and now I’m just at a stand-still. I just need to get this thing running this week, and I’m looking forward to it.”
“Yeah, I think I can go,” said Williams of Sunday’s game in San Francisco. “As a pro athlete in this game, you’re never 100%, but I feel like I could go.”
I wouldnt trust Cummings (the beat writer) one bit. Hes been wrong before about Caddy and seems to speculate way too much."Cadillac" Practices Friday; Still Questionable For SundayTampa, FL -- Tampa Bay Buccaneers running back Carnell "Cadillac" Williams practiced again on Friday, but remains questionable for Sunday's game at San Francisco."Hes still questionable," said head coach Jon Gruden of Williams, who hasn't played since October 2. "Well sleep on it and see how we feel when we get to San Francisco."Gruden has said since Williams returned to practice on Wednesday that the team is optimistic about him playing this Sunday."You need to see him to see where he is," Gruden said. "Were trying to get more information from him but hes a very isolated human being. So we just go out and practice and see how he looks for ourselves. But he looked very good today."For the season, the Auburn product has 447 yards rushing and two touchdowns on 99 attempts.
The question is How much will he play?From KFFL:
Buccaneers | Williams Practices, Expected to Play Week 8
Fri, 28 Oct 2005 14:31:36 -0700
Roy Cummings, of the Tampa Tribune, reports Tampa Bay Buccaneers RB Carnell Williams (foot, hamstring) practiced Friday, Oct. 28 and is expected to play in Week 8. Williams is listed as questionable this week with foot and hamstring injuries.