Updated PPR Dynasty Rankings for 10/12/2011 (1 Viewer)

[laughinboy_2000]

In this week’s installment, I have included the Buy Low Candidates and Sell High Candidates. Players coded in GREEN will be players to buy low on and then players coded in RED will be players to sell high on. Enjoy and Discuss!

1. Ray Rice, RB Ravens

2. Adrian Peterson, Vikings

3. LeSean McCoy, RB Eagles

4. Calvin Johnson, WR Lions – When will they make an action figure for Mega-Tron? I’d buy one!

5. Aaron Rogers, QB Packers

6. Darren McFadden, RB Raiders

7. Arian Foster, RB Texans

8. Chris Johnson, RB Titans – Buy Low Candidate

9. Tom Brady, QB Patriots

10. Andre Johnson, WR Texans – Sell High Candidate; Age and injuries maybe creeping up? Just how many more years of being a top WR does he have left?

11. Maurice Jones- Drew, RB Jaguars

12. Hakeem Nicks, WR Giants

13. Drew Brees, QB Saints

14. Phillip Rivers, QB Chargers

15. Mike Vick, QB Eagles

16. Mike Wallace, WR Steelers –

17. Larry Fitzgerald, WR Cardinals

18. Dez Bryant, WR Cowboys: Buy Low Candidate

19. Ryan Matthews, RB Chargers:

20. Matt Forte, RB Bears

21. Rashard Mendenhall, RB Steelers

22. Greg Jennings, WR Packers

23. Miles Austin, WR Dallas

24. Cam Newton, QB Panthers

25. DeSean Jackson, WR Eagles

26. Matthew Stafford, QB Lions

27. Vincent Jackson, WR Chargers

28. Jeremy Maclin, WR Eagles

29. Roddy White, WR Falcons

30. Julio Jones, WR Falcons

31. Jamaal Charles, RB Chiefs

32. AJ Green, WR Bengals

33. Rob Gronkowski, TE Patriots

34. Jermichael Finley, TE Packers

35. Wes Welker, WR Patriots

36. Jimmy Graham, TE Saints

37. Jonathan Stewart, RB Panthers

38. Kenny Britt, WR Titans - Buy Low

39. Jahvid Best, RB Lions

40. Santonio Holmes, WR Jets – See him rebounding nicely going forward

41. Ben Roethlisberger, QB Steelers

42. Mark Ingram, RB Saints – Sell High Candidate

43. Tony Romo, QB Cowboys

44. Matt Ryan, QB Falcons

45. Percy Harvin, WR Vikings

46. Peyton Manning, QB Colts

47. Aaron Hernandez, TE Patriots

48. Felix Jones, RB Cowboys

49. Chris “Beanie” Wells, RB Cardinals – Sell High Candidate

50. Stevie Johnson, WR Bills

51. Vernon Davis, TE 49ers

52. Dwayne Bowe, WR Chiefs

53. Ahmad Bradshaw, RB Giants

54. Jason Witten, TE Dallas

55. Fred Jackson, RB Bills

56. Brandon Marshall, WR Dolphins

57. Jordy Nelson, WR Packers:

58. Brandon Lloyd, WR Broncos

59. Joe Flacco, QB Ravens

60. Mike Williams, WR Bucs

61. Josh Freeman, QB Bucs

62. Sam Bradford, QB Rams

63. Daniel Thomas, RB Dolphins

64. Frank Gore, RB 49ers

65. Steve Smith, WR Panthers

66. LeGarrette Blount, RB Bucs

67. DeAngelo Williams, RB Panthers – Buy Low Candidate; Panther passing game is starting to open holes for him.

68. James Starks, RB Packers

69. Peyton Hillis, RB Browns

70. Antonio Gates, TE Chargers: Sell High Candidate

71. Michael Turner, RB Falcons: Sell High Candidate

72. Steven Jackson, RB Rams

73. Daniel Thomas, RB Dolphins

74. Mario Manningham, WR Giants

75. Anquan Boldin, WR Ravens

76. Matt Shaub, QB Texans

77. Stefan Ridley, RB Patriots: Buy Low; See you can snag him after a poor performance last week.

78. Reggie Wayne, WR Colts

79. Sidney Rice, WR Seahawks

80. Randall Cobb, WR Packers

81. Jacoby Ford, WR Raiders

82. Kendall Hunter, RB 49ers

83. Eli Manning, QB Giants

84. Marques Colston, WR Saints

85. Michael Crabtree, WR 49ers

86. Greg Little, WR Browns – Buy Low Candidate

87. Shonne Greene, RB Jets – Sell High Candidate

88. Denarius Moore, WR Raiders

89. Tim Hightower, RB Redskins – Sell High Candidate

90. Ben Tate, RB Texans

91. Dustin Keller, TE Jets

92. Greg Olsen, TE Panthers

93. Kevin Kolb, QB Cardinals

94. Santana Moss, WR Redskins

95. Austin Collie, WR Colts – Man does he miss Peyton

96. CJ Spiller, RB Bills

97. Jay Cutler, QB Bears

98. Cedric Benson, RB Bengals

100 Owen Daniels, TE Texans

101 Delone Carter, RB Colts – Buy Low; Now is the time to pounce on him with Addai being injured!

102 Eric Decker, WR Broncos

103 Dallas Clark, TE Colts

104 Knowshon Moreno, RB Broncos:

105 Fred Davis, TE Redskins

106 Mike Thomas, WR Jaguars

107 Roy Helu, RB Redskins

108 Jermaine Gresham, TE Bengals

109 Mark Sanchez, QB Jets

110 Mike Tolbert, RB Chargers

111 Johnny Knox, WR Bears

112 Reggie Bush, RB Dolphins

113 Mercedes Lewis, TE Jaguars

114 Lance Moore, WR Saints

115 Victor Cruz, WR Giants – Buy Low Candidate

116 Robert Meachem, WR Saints

117 Jake Locker, QB Titans: Buy Low Candidate

118 Blaine Gabbart, QB Jaguars

119 Brandon Pettigrew, TE Lions

120 Torrey Smith, WR Ravens

121 Shane Vereen, RB Patriots

122 Pierre Garcon, WR Colts

123 Steve Smith, WR Eagles

124 Braylon Edwards, WR 49ers

125 Ryan Fitzpatrick, QB Bills – Sell High Candidate

126 Zach Miller, TE Seahawks

127 Lance Kendricks, TE Rams

128 Julies Thomas, TE Broncos

129 Christian Ponder, QB Vikings

130 Antonio Brown, WR Steelers – Buy Low Candidate

131 Darrius Heyward-Bey, WR Raiders

132 Mike Sims-Walker, WR Rams

133 Kellen Winslow, TE Browns

134 Colin Kaepernick, QB 49ers

135 Jared Cook, TE Titans

136 Titus Young, WR Lions

137 David Nelson, WR Bills

138 Colt McCoy, QB Browns – Buy Low Candidate

139 Ryan Grant, RB Packers

140 Darren Sproles, RB Saints

141 BenJarvis Green-Ellis, RB Patriots

142 Willis McGahee, RB Broncos

143 Ryan Torain, RB Redskins

144 Brandon Jacobs, RB Giants

145 Jerome Simpson, WR Bengals

146 Michael Bush, RB - Raiders Buy Low Candidate; Could be with new team next year?

147 Danario Alexander, WR Rams

148 Deion Branch, WR Patriots

149 Dexter McCluster, RB Chiefs

150 Vincent Brown, WR Chargers

151 Montario Hardesty, RB Browns

152 Marshawn Lynch, RB Seahawks

153 Bernard Scott, RB Bengals

154 Joe Addai, RB Colts

155 Bilal Powell, RB Jets:

156 Tim Tebow, QB Broncos

157 Andy Dalton, QB Bengals

158 Ed Dickson, TE Ravens:

159 Emmanuel Sanders, WR Steelers

160 Nate Burleson, WR Lions

161 Arrelious Benn, WR Bucs

162 Pierre Thomas, RB Saints

163 Devon Bess, WR Dolphins

164 James Jones, WR Packers

165 Rex Grossman, QB Redskins

166 Toby Gerhart, RB Vikings

167 Alex Green, RB Packers

168 Jacquizz Rodgers, RB Falcons

169 Vince Young, QB Eagles

170 Nate Washington, WR Titans

171 Michael Floyd, WR Chargers

172 Brandon LaFell, WR Panthers

173 Joe McKnight, RB Jets

174 Evan Moore, TE Browns

175 Mohamed Massaquoi, WR Browns

176 Deji Karim, RB Jaguars

177 Dane Sanzenbacher, WR Bears – Bears most consistent WR

178 Jonathan Baldwin, WR Chiefs

179 Golden Tate, WR Seahawks

180 Jason Campbell, QB Raiders

181 Kyle Orton, QB Broncos

182 Matt Hasselbeck, QB Titans

183 Danny Woodhead, RB Patriots

184 Lee Evans, WR Ravens

185 Mikel Leshoure, RB Lions

186 Jacoby Jones, WR Texans

187 Chad Ochocinco, WR Patriots

188 Plaxico Burress, WR Jets

189 Rashad Jennings, RB Jaguars

190 Tony Gonzalez, TE Chiefs

191 Ryan Mallett, QB Patriots

192 Jerome Harrison, RB Browns

193 Andre Roberts, WR Cardinals

194 Tashard Choice, RB Cowboys

195 Early Doucet, WR Cardinals

196 Dion Lewis, RB Eagles

197 Matt Moore, QB Dolphins

198 Ronnie Brown, RB Eagles

199 Javon Ringer, RB Titans

200 Jackie Battle, RB Chiefs

 

[jonboltz]

IMHO, you continue to be WAY LOW on a lot of veteran producing RBs (Willis, Sproles, Lynch, Torain). While this is a dynasty league and the future is important, it is NOT more important than winning this year. When an injury or bye week comes, I'd much rather trot out one of those 4 RBs than Carter, Helu, or Hunter.

 

[paytonsdaman]

63 and 73 both Daniel Thomas

Torain has a proven body of work and is 3 years younger than Battle. I don't see how these 2 players are remotely close in dynasty.

 

[ready5]

thanks for this, i know it's a lot of effort.

 

[thatguy]

Did I miss him, or did Gates not make the list?

 

[laughinboy_2000]

Did I miss him, or did Gates not make the list?

#70I hope this is the Gates you were talking about?

 

[thriftyrocker]

Torain has a proven body of work and is 3 years younger than Battle. I don't see how these 2 players are remotely close in dynasty.

I know, I would much rather have Battle. Torain has a long injury history. Torain has a coach that will switch to the hot hand week to week. Torain still has to compete with a rookie RB. Torain still has to compete with a vet RB.That said, Hightower is way too high in these rankings. Also Tebow needs to be about 80 spots higher. He's worth more than Gabbert and Sanchez, for sure.

 

[thatguy]

Did I miss him, or did Gates not make the list?

#70I hope this is the Gates you were talking about?

Yes, thanks. No idea how I missed him.

 

[paytonsdaman]

Torain has a proven body of work and is 3 years younger than Battle. I don't see how these 2 players are remotely close in dynasty.

I know, I would much rather have Battle. Torain has a long injury history. Torain has a coach that will switch to the hot hand week to week. Torain still has to compete with a rookie RB. Torain still has to compete with a vet RB.That said, Hightower is way too high in these rankings. Also Tebow needs to be about 80 spots higher. He's worth more than Gabbert and Sanchez, for sure.

I don't think anyone would trade Torain for Battle. Torain has proven he can be the guy (of course when healthy). I'd take Torain healthy for 8 games over Battle healthy for 16, because Torain is a must start when healthy. The Chiefs are not good which limits Battle's value, and you can't forget about Jamal Charles coming back.

 

[bonesman]

Did I miss him, or did Gates not make the list?

In red. Which should just be labeled "Sell" and "Buy" instead of "Sell High" and "Sell Low". Gates isn't high, neither is Ingram. Victor Cruz isn't low, neither really is Dez Bryant.

 

[jonboltz]

Torain has a proven body of work and is 3 years younger than Battle. I don't see how these 2 players are remotely close in dynasty.

I know, I would much rather have Battle. Torain has a long injury history. Torain has a coach that will switch to the hot hand week to week. Torain still has to compete with a rookie RB. Torain still has to compete with a vet RB.That said, Hightower is way too high in these rankings. Also Tebow needs to be about 80 spots higher. He's worth more than Gabbert and Sanchez, for sure.

I don't think anyone would trade Torain for Battle. Torain has proven he can be the guy (of course when healthy). I'd take Torain healthy for 8 games over Battle healthy for 16, because Torain is a must start when healthy. The Chiefs are not good which limits Battle's value, and you can't forget about Jamal Charles coming back.

I have Battle in my dynasty PPR and would insta-trade him to Torain.

 

[paytonsdaman]

Torain has a proven body of work and is 3 years younger than Battle. I don't see how these 2 players are remotely close in dynasty.

I know, I would much rather have Battle. Torain has a long injury history. Torain has a coach that will switch to the hot hand week to week. Torain still has to compete with a rookie RB. Torain still has to compete with a vet RB.That said, Hightower is way too high in these rankings. Also Tebow needs to be about 80 spots higher. He's worth more than Gabbert and Sanchez, for sure.

I don't think anyone would trade Torain for Battle. Torain has proven he can be the guy (of course when healthy). I'd take Torain healthy for 8 games over Battle healthy for 16, because Torain is a must start when healthy. The Chiefs are not good which limits Battle's value, and you can't forget about Jamal Charles coming back.

I have Battle in my dynasty PPR and would insta-trade him to Torain.

I have both. But will be starting Torain over Battle if healthy until Battle proves he can carry the load vs a team other than the Colts.

 

[laughinboy_2000]

I would agree, I need to move Torain up. I had him way too low and must have overlooked him. Update has been made.

 

[laughinboy_2000]

IMHO, you continue to be WAY LOW on a lot of veteran producing RBs (Willis, Sproles, Lynch, Torain). While this is a dynasty league and the future is important, it is NOT more important than winning this year. When an injury or bye week comes, I'd much rather trot out one of those 4 RBs than Carter, Helu, or Hunter.

You know what you are going to get with McGahee, Sproles, Lynch, etc. And YES you would roll out these guys as bye-week fillers. But this is a DYNASTY thread, and in my opinion, you need to roll the dice on some of the younger players. I'm a huge believer in Hunter, as Gore's days are limited. He's looked good in limited opportunity. Carter may shine as SOON as this week with Addai out. I would much rather have potential in a Dynasty team than a veteran with only a couple of years left. Just my opinion though on the rankings and the reason they may look "low" to you. Thanks for reading!

 

[jonboltz]

IMHO, you continue to be WAY LOW on a lot of veteran producing RBs (Willis, Sproles, Lynch, Torain). While this is a dynasty league and the future is important, it is NOT more important than winning this year. When an injury or bye week comes, I'd much rather trot out one of those 4 RBs than Carter, Helu, or Hunter.

You know what you are going to get with McGahee, Sproles, Lynch, etc. And YES you would roll out these guys as bye-week fillers. But this is a DYNASTY thread, and in my opinion, you need to roll the dice on some of the younger players. I'm a huge believer in Hunter, as Gore's days are limited. He's looked good in limited opportunity. Carter may shine as SOON as this week with Addai out. I would much rather have potential in a Dynasty team than a veteran with only a couple of years left. Just my opinion though on the rankings and the reason they may look "low" to you. Thanks for reading!

Again, just my opinion... But that 'potential' is what causes a lot of owners to pay their entry fee every year and continually go 6-6 and waiting on guys that, statistically, will be lucky to end up as good as McGahee, Sproles, or Lynch. Additionally, if you are planning a dynasty league more than for this and next year, you will likely find a LOT will change in that time. Just my thoughts from experience.

 

[az_prof]

IMHO, you continue to be WAY LOW on a lot of veteran producing RBs (Willis, Sproles, Lynch, Torain). While this is a dynasty league and the future is important, it is NOT more important than winning this year. When an injury or bye week comes, I'd much rather trot out one of those 4 RBs than Carter, Helu, or Hunter.

You know what you are going to get with McGahee, Sproles, Lynch, etc. And YES you would roll out these guys as bye-week fillers. But this is a DYNASTY thread, and in my opinion, you need to roll the dice on some of the younger players. I'm a huge believer in Hunter, as Gore's days are limited. He's looked good in limited opportunity. Carter may shine as SOON as this week with Addai out. I would much rather have potential in a Dynasty team than a veteran with only a couple of years left. Just my opinion though on the rankings and the reason they may look "low" to you. Thanks for reading!

Again, just my opinion... But that 'potential' is what causes a lot of owners to pay their entry fee every year and continually go 6-6 and waiting on guys that, statistically, will be lucky to end up as good as McGahee, Sproles, or Lynch. Additionally, if you are planning a dynasty league more than for this and next year, you will likely find a LOT will change in that time. Just my thoughts from experience.

The key is finding the balance. Trying to calculate value beyond three years is very uncertain. On the other hand, in comparing an unknown with upside to a known with little upside, the obvious preference is the unknown. So, I like young players on my bench. But when it comes to the players I need to count on THIS year to field my starting line up, I prefer proven players. Another way of looking at it: the top of your rankings when comparing two players give the nod to the vet, and in the bottom half of your rankings give the nod to the youthful player.

 

[jonboltz]

The key is finding the balance. Trying to calculate value beyond three years is very uncertain. On the other hand, in comparing an unknown with upside to a known with little upside, the obvious preference is the unknown. So, I like young players on my bench. But when it comes to the players I need to count on THIS year to field my starting line up, I prefer proven players. Another way of looking at it: the top of your rankings when comparing two players give the nod to the vet, and in the bottom half of your rankings give the nod to the youthful player.

I agree with much of this. My argument was that the guys that I listed, while not sexy, are going to be in some teams starting lineup this year at a premium position. Taken another way-- lets take Lynch, who is ranked #152. That would be pick 13.8 in a startup dynasty. This is insanely low for a starting RB in almost any format I can imagine.

 

[az_prof]

The key is finding the balance. Trying to calculate value beyond three years is very uncertain. On the other hand, in comparing an unknown with upside to a known with little upside, the obvious preference is the unknown. So, I like young players on my bench. But when it comes to the players I need to count on THIS year to field my starting line up, I prefer proven players. Another way of looking at it: the top of your rankings when comparing two players give the nod to the vet, and in the bottom half of your rankings give the nod to the youthful player.

I agree with much of this. My argument was that the guys that I listed, while not sexy, are going to be in some teams starting lineup this year at a premium position. Taken another way-- lets take Lynch, who is ranked #152. That would be pick 13.8 in a startup dynasty. This is insanely low for a starting RB in almost any format I can imagine.

I agree. Let's compare three guys: Delone Carter at 101, M. Bush at 146, and Lynch at 152. I would put Lynch up closer to 101 and move Carter down closer to Bush. To be honest, I think Bush has a better chance of being useful this year and in the future, but I am willing to give Carter some leeway because he still only has 48 carries or so. He might improve. But he isn't a starting back now and there is no guarantee he will be in the future. Same is true of Bush. But Lynch IS a starting RB right now and he isn't that old either. He could be starting next year as well and i wouldn't be surprised. Lynch should be much higher and Carter much lower.

 

[Patoons]

I'm struggling with Ingram as a sell high candidate. In fact, I think he's just the opposite. He was recently dealt (per the dynasty trade thread) for CJ Spiller and a future 1st. That seems pretty low to me.

He's splitting carries 3 ways right now and struggling to some extent. No one's going to buy him as a high. If anything, the time to sell high would have been in the preseason and, specifically, right before the season.

ETA: Garcon at 122??? I can't imagine dealing Garcon for either Benson or Tolbert. He should be much higher. Yeah, his numbers this year are inflated based Painter locking into him, but the 2nd half of last year --- Garcon was very solid. He belongs MUCH higher.

Fred Jackson is also a bit high. He's already 30+ and likely a one-two year rental for dynasty owners with no upside potential.

 

[strong]

boy. sticking with that low fred jackson ranking.

said in the previous post: i'd much rather have fred jackson's production as a RB2 this year and next with fear of a possible post 30 decline, than have the careers of felix/bradshaw/mendenhall/stewart. i could see preferring the other guys if you're in total rebuilding mode, but if you have designs on contending this year or next, jackson's gotta be the guy. i'd say he's a toss up with beanie and charles.

also, depending on the scoring system, i'd put cam at least in the top three QB for dynasty. any leagues that reward rushing QBs, he's tops. in a TD-heavy, 3pts/Pass TD league i'm in, his pure passing stats put him as the 9th ranked QB and his rushing stats have him as the 12th ranked RB. he's basically an average/low end QB1 with an additional high RB2 starter. i'd take him now over any other QB in dynasty.

 

[Patoons]

boy. sticking with that low fred jackson ranking. said in the previous post: i'd much rather have fred jackson's production as a RB2 this year and next with fear of a possible post 30 decline, than have the careers of felix/bradshaw/mendenhall/stewart. i could see preferring the other guys if you're in total rebuilding mode, but if you have designs on contending this year or next, jackson's gotta be the guy. i'd say he's a toss up with beanie and charles. also, depending on the scoring system, i'd put cam at least in the top three QB for dynasty. any leagues that reward rushing QBs, he's tops. in a TD-heavy, 3pts/Pass TD league i'm in, his pure passing stats put him as the 9th ranked QB and his rushing stats have him as the 12th ranked RB. he's basically an average/low end QB1 with an additional high RB2 starter. i'd take him now over any other QB in dynasty.

At his age, not sure how you can justify Jackson over Mendenhall, Bradshaw ... (even Felix). He should come at a MUCH cheaper price. If you stack it with a guy like Jackson, you're going to get burnt awfully quick at a player of his age.

 

[laughinboy_2000]

ETA: Garcon at 122??? - the 2nd half of last year --- Garcon was very solid. He belongs MUCH higher.

Wasn't some guy named Peyton Manning the QB for that stretch?

 

[Hendo]

i understand Freddy Jackson is up there in regards to RB age however is the mileage high on him? I tend to lean more on mileage then age and i just cant see Freddy all of a sudden falling off a cliff the next couple years on a nice Buffalo squad.

i do have a contending team however but even still i know his value carries WAY WAY more then the Mendy/Felix you get this year in dynasties so just saying. I'm pretty sure you could do really well trading him to a contending team for Mendy+ right now as an example

 

[Kree]

Decker a bit low IMO.

 

[Multiple Scores]

Charles is way low

 

[Patoons]

ETA: Garcon at 122??? - the 2nd half of last year --- Garcon was very solid. He belongs MUCH higher.

Wasn't some guy named Peyton Manning the QB for that stretch?

Yeah, and now it's a guy named Curtis Painter. Two guys at the opposite ends of the spectrum and with BOTH he's quite productive. He belongs much higher.

 

[eaglesfan7]

You didn't update from the original post?

Victor Cruz buy low? You meant sell high right? Can't buy low when a guy had his greatest game as a pro.

 

[mrspree15]

Thanks Laughinboy, I enjoy this every week.

Not being nitpicky, but some thoughts:

It feels like Desean Jackson is too high. I'd rather have AJ and Julio over him, in particular.

I'm kinda waiting for Harvin to put together a nice stretch so I can deal him. I have little faith in him staying healthy in the long-run. He's such a versatile talent though, I love his game.

Bowe might be too low for my taste. His situation sucks, but so far it looks like he's still a beast, which is encouraging.

 

[thatguy]

Thanks Laughinboy, I enjoy this every week.

Not being nitpicky, but some thoughts:

It feels like Desean Jackson is too high. I'd rather have AJ and Julio over him, in particular.

I'm kinda waiting for Harvin to put together a nice stretch so I can deal him. I have little faith in him staying healthy in the long-run. He's such a versatile talent though, I love his game.

Bowe might be too low for my taste. His situation sucks, but so far it looks like he's still a beast, which is encouraging.

Was thinking this as well. I'd take either of those guys over DJax without thinking twice. Also, I prefer A.J. to Julio, but it's close, and I suppose that is being nitpicky.

 

[Sultans]

Nice list, only issue is Calvin is top property in dynasty period the end.

 

[eakfootball]

Nice list, only issue is Calvin is top property in dynasty period the end.

I agree. Calvin is 1 and it's not close. Good list though.

 

[Bronx Bomber]

Curious as to why you have J Stewart that much higher than D. Williams? Do you see Stewart overtaking Williams or going to a different team where he can be the main guy?

 

[Hendo]

Curious as to why you have J Stewart that much higher than D. Williams? Do you see Stewart overtaking Williams or going to a different team where he can be the main guy?

i think everyone expects this. Stewart will not be condemned by the lunacy of Carolina for his entire career.

 

[moderated]

Curious as to why you have J Stewart that much higher than D. Williams? Do you see Stewart overtaking Williams or going to a different team where he can be the main guy?

He's way younger and just as good.

 

[Max Power]

Curious as to why you have J Stewart that much higher than D. Williams? Do you see Stewart overtaking Williams or going to a different team where he can be the main guy?

37. Jonathan Stewart, RB PanthersI was scrolling to down to point out the Stewart Ranking myself. About a year and half ago this board, as well as the majority of the fantasy community in general, blew up with the idea that Stewart was going to be the next great back. He was even in the top 3-8 players taken in start up dynasty drafts. I love the guy's talent, but expectations are too high and value/price is so inflated its crazy.

I'm really curious to hear from people who've been trying to build a team around Stewart as their RB1 or RB2. I'm firmly believe that SOOO many people are so invested in him already, they can't stand the thought of his value dropping. Don't get me wrong, its not a talent thing... But Williams, didn't move on and now Cam Newton is getting GL carries. His situation can't get a whole lot worse, but we'll still keep calling him a top Dynasty pick, even though hes currently a flex starter at best.

 

[Hendo]

Curious as to why you have J Stewart that much higher than D. Williams? Do you see Stewart overtaking Williams or going to a different team where he can be the main guy?

37. Jonathan Stewart, RB PanthersI was scrolling to down to point out the Stewart Ranking myself. About a year and half ago this board, as well as the majority of the fantasy community in general, blew up with the idea that Stewart was going to be the next great back. He was even in the top 3-8 players taken in start up dynasty drafts. I love the guy's talent, but expectations are too high and value/price is so inflated its crazy.

I'm really curious to hear from people who've been trying to build a team around Stewart as their RB1 or RB2. I'm firmly believe that SOOO many people are so invested in him already, they can't stand the thought of his value dropping. Don't get me wrong, its not a talent thing... But Williams, didn't move on and now Cam Newton is getting GL carries. His situation can't get a whole lot worse, but we'll still keep calling him a top Dynasty pick, even though hes currently a flex starter at best.

i think people imply when his contract is up in two years he will be able to test the FA waters himself. It's not the best scene there but if he ends up signing on with say ATL as turners replacement you probably have a top 5 RB there. its all second guessing however Stewart wont be a pawn for Carolina to waste for his entire career.

 

[Concept Coop]

Nice list, only issue is Calvin is top property in dynasty period the end.

I agree. Calvin is 1 and it's not close. Good list though.

It's not close, but it's not Calvin. Last year, the #1 RB provided double the VORP of the #1 WR in PPR formats. Double.Calvin is a beast. But guys like McCoy, Foster, and DMC all have more value in PPR formats that Calvin.

 

[Concept Coop]

As for the rankings:

There is ZERO value in listing your rankings in a top 200 format without a defined scoring format/starting requirement. Because we don't all play in the same system, and because even minor changes can greatly alter value, it might be better to rank within positions.

Also, Tom Brady in the top 10 is laughable, unless a league starts 2x QBs. The idea of a 34 year old QB offering more value over the span of his career than a 25 year old top 5 WR is crazy.

 

[ZWK]

Last year, the #1 RB provided double the VORP of the #1 WR in PPR formats. Double.

Just 1.5 times as much, 224 vs. 149 (setting the baseline at RB24 & WR36). In WCOFF scoring (basic PPR) last year, RB1 Arian Foster scored 395 (minus RB24=171 gives 224 VORP) and WR1 Roddy White scored 314 (minus WR36=165 gives 149 VORP). The top 10 in VORP were:RB Arian Foster 224WR Roddy White 149RB Peyton Hillis 133RB LeSean McCoy 128WR Brandon Lloyd 121WR Reggie Wayne 116RB Jamaal Charles 115WR Dwayne Bowe 113WR Greg Jennings 109RB Adrian Peterson 106RBs are more likely than WRs to have a huge season like Foster last year or CJ2K in 2009, but other than that the elite WRs keep up with the elite RBs pretty well in PPR. For instance, since he entered the league in 2007 Peterson has scored about as much as Andre Johnson or Roddy White.Adrian Peterson: 1238 pts. in 66 games (18.8 ppg)Andre Johnson: 1156 pts. in 58 games (19.9 ppg)Roddy White: 1267 pts. in 69 games (18.4 ppg)

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Nice list, only issue is Calvin is top property in dynasty period the end.

I agree. Calvin is 1 and it's not close. Good list though.

It's not close, but it's not Calvin. Last year, the #1 RB provided double the VORP of the #1 WR in PPR formats. Double.Calvin is a beast. But guys like McCoy, Foster, and DMC all have more value in PPR formats that Calvin.

Elite WR tend to be elite for several years. Calvin could easily be the #1 WR for the next decade. RBs come and go. Give me Calvin over anyone in a dynasty league too.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

42. Mark Ingram, RB Saints – Sell High Candidate

I'm shocked by this one. Not necessarily with the ranking (although I'd out him up higher), but with the "sell high" designation. Is it because he finally had a good game? I think his value can only really go higher, unless you don't beleive in his talent, which I take it you don't.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

IMHO, you continue to be WAY LOW on a lot of veteran producing RBs (Willis, Sproles, Lynch, Torain). While this is a dynasty league and the future is important, it is NOT more important than winning this year. When an injury or bye week comes, I'd much rather trot out one of those 4 RBs than Carter, Helu, or Hunter.

While that may be true, you should always have enough depth anyway. Would you seriously consider trading Carter, Hunter or Helu for one of those veterans. I can only see Sproles being worth it since those other guys are just stop gap options for their NFL teams and should only be looked at that way for your dynasty roster as well.So are a few mediocre to good games from Willis McGahee or Marshawn Lynch worth a potential long term starting RB? If you have to rely on those veterans you're probably in some trouble anyway.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

i understand Freddy Jackson is up there in regards to RB age however is the mileage high on him? I tend to lean more on mileage then age and i just cant see Freddy all of a sudden falling off a cliff the next couple years on a nice Buffalo squad.

Studies have actually shown otherwise - its age and not workload that starts the decline. In fact look at some of the RBs that still performed well in their later years (30-33). They were guys that had tons of carries over the course of their careers - Curtis Martin, Thomas Jones, Emmitt Smith...With that said its far from an exact science and generally I'd just take the approach that after 29, things are going to start going down hill quickly and you'll be right far more often than you're wrong.In the case of Jackson, he's off to an incredibly fast start - but that doesn't mean he'll keep this pace up all season and it certainly doesn't mean he will next season. I will agree that I'd put him higher on this list just because he's such an impace player right now and is a player that can be a difference maker for you team this year (unlike McGahee, Lynch or some of the other againg veterans).

 

[jonboltz]

IMHO, you continue to be WAY LOW on a lot of veteran producing RBs (Willis, Sproles, Lynch, Torain). While this is a dynasty league and the future is important, it is NOT more important than winning this year. When an injury or bye week comes, I'd much rather trot out one of those 4 RBs than Carter, Helu, or Hunter.

While that may be true, you should always have enough depth anyway. Would you seriously consider trading Carter, Hunter or Helu for one of those veterans. I can only see Sproles being worth it since those other guys are just stop gap options for their NFL teams and should only be looked at that way for your dynasty roster as well.

In most startup dynasties over the offseason, Lynch was going before all 3 of those rookies. I would without a doubt rather have Lynch currently than those three. Sproles isn't even a contest, and Willis I would also insta-accept for either of the three. I'm not sure what to make of the Redskins and Torain...but if I had to choose between Torain and Helu, I'll take the guy that has shown some ability to be a feature back and is currently starting.

So are a few mediocre to good games from Willis McGahee or Marshawn Lynch worth a potential long term starting RB? If you have to rely on those veterans you're probably in some trouble anyway.

First, I think you are being disingenuous when you say "a few mediocre to good games". In a traditional 12-team league, Willis is an every-week starter for 80% of fantasty teams. Despite having an awful schedule and few games to start the year, Lynch is a top 25 RB in scoring in my PPR league. While fantasy owner perceptions will often lie, the numbers don't -- Willis and Lynch will/should likely be in owners starting lineups fairly often, especially considering bye weeks, injuries, and matchups.I'm not willing to give up the points lossed by starting some teams backup, and risk dropping a game that could keep me out of the playoffs.

 

[Concept Coop]

Nice list, only issue is Calvin is top property in dynasty period the end.

I agree. Calvin is 1 and it's not close. Good list though.

It's not close, but it's not Calvin. Last year, the #1 RB provided double the VORP of the #1 WR in PPR formats. Double.Calvin is a beast. But guys like McCoy, Foster, and DMC all have more value in PPR formats that Calvin.

Elite WR tend to be elite for several years. Calvin could easily be the #1 WR for the next decade. RBs come and go. Give me Calvin over anyone in a dynasty league too.

It doesn't matter that Calvin could last longer than McCoy; you don't compare WRs to RBs. Calvin would have to last longer than the baseline WR than McCoy compared to the baseline RB. When you study that, you will see that McCoy has more value when it comes to staying power and duration of productivity.

 

[Hendo]

IMHO, you continue to be WAY LOW on a lot of veteran producing RBs (Willis, Sproles, Lynch, Torain). While this is a dynasty league and the future is important, it is NOT more important than winning this year. When an injury or bye week comes, I'd much rather trot out one of those 4 RBs than Carter, Helu, or Hunter.

While that may be true, you should always have enough depth anyway. Would you seriously consider trading Carter, Hunter or Helu for one of those veterans. I can only see Sproles being worth it since those other guys are just stop gap options for their NFL teams and should only be looked at that way for your dynasty roster as well.

In most startup dynasties over the offseason, Lynch was going before all 3 of those rookies. I would without a doubt rather have Lynch currently than those three. Sproles isn't even a contest, and Willis I would also insta-accept for either of the three. I'm not sure what to make of the Redskins and Torain...but if I had to choose between Torain and Helu, I'll take the guy that has shown some ability to be a feature back and is currently starting.

So are a few mediocre to good games from Willis McGahee or Marshawn Lynch worth a potential long term starting RB? If you have to rely on those veterans you're probably in some trouble anyway.

First, I think you are being disingenuous when you say "a few mediocre to good games". In a traditional 12-team league, Willis is an every-week starter for 80% of fantasty teams. Despite having an awful schedule and few games to start the year, Lynch is a top 25 RB in scoring in my PPR league. While fantasy owner perceptions will often lie, the numbers don't -- Willis and Lynch will/should likely be in owners starting lineups fairly often, especially considering bye weeks, injuries, and matchups.I'm not willing to give up the points lossed by starting some teams backup, and risk dropping a game that could keep me out of the playoffs.

No way do i take Lynch (mediocre at best) over a young guy like Hunter who is extremely talented and has a shot to make an impact the next two years.

 

[jonboltz]

Nice list, only issue is Calvin is top property in dynasty period the end.

I agree. Calvin is 1 and it's not close. Good list though.

It's not close, but it's not Calvin. Last year, the #1 RB provided double the VORP of the #1 WR in PPR formats. Double.Calvin is a beast. But guys like McCoy, Foster, and DMC all have more value in PPR formats that Calvin.

Elite WR tend to be elite for several years. Calvin could easily be the #1 WR for the next decade. RBs come and go. Give me Calvin over anyone in a dynasty league too.

It doesn't matter that Calvin could last longer than McCoy; you don't compare WRs to RBs. Calvin would have to last longer than the baseline WR than McCoy compared to the baseline RB. When you study that, you will see that McCoy has more value when it comes to staying power and duration of productivity.

This would be the case if McCoy and Calvin both had the same probability of repeating their production year after year. I don't believe this is the case at all, and give a big edge to Calvin in this category (which is also supported by the numbers).

 

[Concept Coop]

Last year, the #1 RB provided double the VORP of the #1 WR in PPR formats. Double.

Just 1.5 times as much, 224 vs. 149 (setting the baseline at RB24 & WR36). In WCOFF scoring (basic PPR) last year, RB1 Arian Foster scored 395 (minus RB24=171 gives 224 VORP) and WR1 Roddy White scored 314 (minus WR36=165 gives 149 VORP). The top 10 in VORP were:RB Arian Foster 224WR Roddy White 149RB Peyton Hillis 133RB LeSean McCoy 128WR Brandon Lloyd 121WR Reggie Wayne 116RB Jamaal Charles 115WR Dwayne Bowe 113WR Greg Jennings 109RB Adrian Peterson 106RBs are more likely than WRs to have a huge season like Foster last year or CJ2K in 2009, but other than that the elite WRs keep up with the elite RBs pretty well in PPR. For instance, since he entered the league in 2007 Peterson has scored about as much as Andre Johnson or Roddy White.Adrian Peterson: 1238 pts. in 66 games (18.8 ppg)Andre Johnson: 1156 pts. in 58 games (19.9 ppg)Roddy White: 1267 pts. in 69 games (18.4 ppg)

Valid point. I should have clarified the starting recs. Most leagues I play in require that you start 2 of each, with 2 flex spots. Even still, using your example, Peterson scores more in terms of VORP, than Andre and Roddy. You have to consider that guys like Miles and Bowe were being had in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. The RBs that were being valued in that same area (typically) can't keep up with the likes of Peterson. I would be very surprised if Peterson hasn't been the best fantasy player since he came into the league, compared to replacement. Especially when you equate his current value at the age of 26.

 

[Concept Coop]

Nice list, only issue is Calvin is top property in dynasty period the end.

I agree. Calvin is 1 and it's not close. Good list though.

It's not close, but it's not Calvin. Last year, the #1 RB provided double the VORP of the #1 WR in PPR formats. Double.Calvin is a beast. But guys like McCoy, Foster, and DMC all have more value in PPR formats that Calvin.

Elite WR tend to be elite for several years. Calvin could easily be the #1 WR for the next decade. RBs come and go. Give me Calvin over anyone in a dynasty league too.

It doesn't matter that Calvin could last longer than McCoy; you don't compare WRs to RBs. Calvin would have to last longer than the baseline WR than McCoy compared to the baseline RB. When you study that, you will see that McCoy has more value when it comes to staying power and duration of productivity.

This would be the case if McCoy and Calvin both had the same probability of repeating their production year after year. I don't believe this is the case at all, and give a big edge to Calvin in this category (which is also supported by the numbers).

You are again comparing WRs to RBs. It is about value over replacement.I won't get too much into it, there was a thread and even a league created due to this argument.Because RBs have so much turnover, the young, elite level RBs that project to start for even 5 years, get a major boost in value over a 26 WR projected to start for 8. Most 26 YO WR will produce for 8 years, so what value does it add? Not as much as a RB that gives you 5 years of an advantage at the RB1 spot.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

IMHO, you continue to be WAY LOW on a lot of veteran producing RBs (Willis, Sproles, Lynch, Torain). While this is a dynasty league and the future is important, it is NOT more important than winning this year. When an injury or bye week comes, I'd much rather trot out one of those 4 RBs than Carter, Helu, or Hunter.

While that may be true, you should always have enough depth anyway. Would you seriously consider trading Carter, Hunter or Helu for one of those veterans. I can only see Sproles being worth it since those other guys are just stop gap options for their NFL teams and should only be looked at that way for your dynasty roster as well.

In most startup dynasties over the offseason, Lynch was going before all 3 of those rookies. I would without a doubt rather have Lynch currently than those three. Sproles isn't even a contest, and Willis I would also insta-accept for either of the three. I'm not sure what to make of the Redskins and Torain...but if I had to choose between Torain and Helu, I'll take the guy that has shown some ability to be a feature back and is currently starting.

So are a few mediocre to good games from Willis McGahee or Marshawn Lynch worth a potential long term starting RB? If you have to rely on those veterans you're probably in some trouble anyway.

First, I think you are being disingenuous when you say "a few mediocre to good games". In a traditional 12-team league, Willis is an every-week starter for 80% of fantasty teams. Despite having an awful schedule and few games to start the year, Lynch is a top 25 RB in scoring in my PPR league. While fantasy owner perceptions will often lie, the numbers don't -- Willis and Lynch will/should likely be in owners starting lineups fairly often, especially considering bye weeks, injuries, and matchups.I'm not willing to give up the points lossed by starting some teams backup, and risk dropping a game that could keep me out of the playoffs.

The numbers can lie, though. Lynch is a top 25 RB right now because of blowing up during his last game where the Giants looked terrible trying to tackle him. Take a look at his game logs over the last three seasons and "mediocre" may be generous. I'm in four different dynasty leagues and I can probably count on one hand how many time he's been in a team's starting line-up this season through five weeks. As to McGahee, he is playing well right now and is producing so maybe I can give you that one. I don't think he's really been a difference maker though (although there's nothing wrong with a solid but unspectacular weekly producer) and there's always the potential of him giving away some carries to Moreno if he remains healthy and effective. If I was a contender without solid RB depth I would make a trade for him, but in most of my leagues I have enough depth at the position so I'd rather stash a Kendall Hunter type than McGahee. I think the poster above said it well when he said you should look at the top 100 as starters and rank them accordingly and the second 100 as bench players and rank them accordingly.

Don't forget that things can change quickly in this league as well. You can call Delone Carter, "Some team's backup", but right now he's "some team's starter" and it wouldn't take much for him to hold onto that job.