The real question seems to be what charges the FBI will recommend filing and how many close Hillary aids will be included. There are really so many options. Many potential perjury traps with the upcoming interviews. Maybe bribery/selling influence. Obstruction of justice is in play. Let's not forget mishandling of classified data.
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***$uper Official Hillary Indictment watch Thread*** (1 Viewer)
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timschochet
Footballguy
You're going to be on watch a long time. Kind of like the early Christians who celebrated Easter on every Sunday, expecting Jesus to return any moment now...
http://mediamatters.org/research/2016/03/28/media-hype-la-times-report-on-clinton-emails-ev/209574
http://mediamatters.org/research/2016/03/28/media-hype-la-times-report-on-clinton-emails-ev/209574
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
Great, another thread on Game of Thrones.
I thought we were in dire need of one which would keep an appropriate thread title. Tim will be in denial even after Hillary is fitted for her orange jump suit.
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NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
Works for me. But ever since we learned she deleted 30,000 emails, I sort of thought the Hillary 2016 thread WAS the "Indictment Watch" thread.
Good to see you resorting to high quality sources like Media Matters! i was a bit concerned I may have jinxed the whole indictment thing by starting this thread, but your double-dog reverse jinx posting has me more confident than ever.
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avoiding injuries
Footballguy
I heard on the news yesterday that the state dept was dropping their investigation. It took some research on my end to find out it was because they were letting the fbi take control of the case. It's amazing how things get spun.
Yeah. At this point the FBI does not really care what the state department thinks. I kind of doubt the FBI major focus is the classification of the material. There are lots angles the FBI maybe taking. If I were an aid to Hillary, I would be more than nervous.
It would be incredible if she did being not only a Democrat, but a former Clinton appointee. But Lynch has some integrity compared to Holder, which I know is not saying much. But if the FBI does recommend charges, it will be enough to derail her nomination, IMHO.
apalmer
Footballguy
And if the FBI says "Nothing to see here" Republicans and other wackos will scream "coverup" for the next 8 years.
Insein
Footballguy
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
I'm not sure what all happened with these emails but I trust that you guys will get it all figured out and come to a consensus by page 8. I'll check back.
I was kind of also thinking that the Hillary supporters may require a safe-space for when the indictments comes. Tim thread would be that space and this thread we could openly discuss the reality of events without the fear of offending the faithful.
Boston
Footballguy
John Bender
Footballguy
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
Can we bet here on whether she'll be indicted? Considering how certain the OP is, I'm thinking I could get good odds on betting that she won't.
Or as long as the doomsday, global warming touters are going to have to wait for the demise of our planet.
squistion
Footballguy
By looking at the facts as we now know them.
Of course having a former Clinton appointee indict Hillary would be an amazing hurdle to jump, but based on the seriousness and the level of effort the FBI is putting into this, there probably will be indictments recommended.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I'll just throw this out here. It seems like a pretty neutral recitation of the facts. It is from Reddit - however it comes from a poster named "NebraskaGunOnwer", nonetheless it seems dry and tidy enough that it's worth posting.
- I'm not going to argue one way or the other, I just thought this might be useful albeit I'm guessing from what is a likely conservative, anti-Hillary Reddit poster.
However the links there seem verifiable enough if anyone wants to tackle them. The only part I have highlighted is the part about the non-disclosure agreement because it seems to me that is the element which gets to the crux for most legitimate arguments, the "knowingly" part and "gross" part in secs. 1924 & 793.
https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/4d3r8e/the_known_facts_of_hillary_clintons_server_is/
- I'm not going to argue one way or the other, I just thought this might be useful albeit I'm guessing from what is a likely conservative, anti-Hillary Reddit poster.
However the links there seem verifiable enough if anyone wants to tackle them. The only part I have highlighted is the part about the non-disclosure agreement because it seems to me that is the element which gets to the crux for most legitimate arguments, the "knowingly" part and "gross" part in secs. 1924 & 793.
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Mister CIA
Footballguy
Are we there yet?
No, we have to wait until the interviews are conducted to see what other felonies can be piled on to the list of recommended indictments.
This story sites Newmax, so it must be good! 
Breaking: FBI Will Make A HUGE Move Against Hillary Rodham Clinton
Kosar
This is bombshell announcement! Former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-TX) just shared damning news for Hillary Clinton on The Steve Malzberg Show just now:
The FBI is ready to indict Hillary Clinton and if its recommendation isn’t followed by the U.S. attorney general, the agency’s investigators plan to blow the whistle and go public with their findings, former U.S. House Majority Leader Tom DeLay tells Newsmax TV.
“I have friends that are in the FBI and they tell me they’re ready to indict,” DeLay said Monday on “The Steve Malzberg Show.”
“They’re ready to recommend an indictment and they also say that if the attorney general does not indict, they’re going public.”
Clinton is under FBI investigation for her use of a private server to conduct confidential government business while she was secretary of state. But some Republicans fear any FBI recommendation that hurts Clinton will be squashed by the Obama administration.
DeLay, a Texas Republican and Washington Times radio host, said:
“One way or another either she’s going to be indicted and that process begins, or we try her in the public eye with her campaign. One way or another she’s going to have to face these charges.”
Team Hillary is already admitting this will likely happen. Amazingly, the Clinton campaign has been busy accusing Obama’s intelligence Inspector General, Charles McCullough, of coordinating releases of information to help Republicans. (!) McCullough’s investigations found Clinton was sharing documents which were “beyond top secret”… a crime that should not only disqualify Hillary Clinton from the White House, but should carry a lengthy prison sentence!Read more: http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/breaking-fbi-is-ready-to-indict-hillary-rodham-clinton/#ixzz45KWHOOmI
Breaking: FBI Will Make A HUGE Move Against Hillary Rodham Clinton
Kosar
This is bombshell announcement! Former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-TX) just shared damning news for Hillary Clinton on The Steve Malzberg Show just now:
The FBI is ready to indict Hillary Clinton and if its recommendation isn’t followed by the U.S. attorney general, the agency’s investigators plan to blow the whistle and go public with their findings, former U.S. House Majority Leader Tom DeLay tells Newsmax TV.
“I have friends that are in the FBI and they tell me they’re ready to indict,” DeLay said Monday on “The Steve Malzberg Show.”
“They’re ready to recommend an indictment and they also say that if the attorney general does not indict, they’re going public.”
Clinton is under FBI investigation for her use of a private server to conduct confidential government business while she was secretary of state. But some Republicans fear any FBI recommendation that hurts Clinton will be squashed by the Obama administration.
DeLay, a Texas Republican and Washington Times radio host, said:
“One way or another either she’s going to be indicted and that process begins, or we try her in the public eye with her campaign. One way or another she’s going to have to face these charges.”
Team Hillary is already admitting this will likely happen. Amazingly, the Clinton campaign has been busy accusing Obama’s intelligence Inspector General, Charles McCullough, of coordinating releases of information to help Republicans. (!) McCullough’s investigations found Clinton was sharing documents which were “beyond top secret”… a crime that should not only disqualify Hillary Clinton from the White House, but should carry a lengthy prison sentence!Read more: http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/breaking-fbi-is-ready-to-indict-hillary-rodham-clinton/#ixzz45KWHOOmI
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apalmer
Footballguy
Tom DeLay? Seriously? He has friends at the FBI? I won't believe this until Dennis Hastert confirms it.This story sites Newmax, so it must be good!
Breaking: FBI Will Make A HUGE Move Against Hillary Rodham Clinton
Kosar
This is bombshell announcement! Former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-TX) just shared damning news for Hillary Clinton on The Steve Malzberg Show just now:
The FBI is ready to indict Hillary Clinton and if its recommendation isn’t followed by the U.S. attorney general, the agency’s investigators plan to blow the whistle and go public with their findings, former U.S. House Majority Leader Tom DeLay tells Newsmax TV.
“I have friends that are in the FBI and they tell me they’re ready to indict,” DeLay said Monday on “The Steve Malzberg Show.”
“They’re ready to recommend an indictment and they also say that if the attorney general does not indict, they’re going public.”
Clinton is under FBI investigation for her use of a private server to conduct confidential government business while she was secretary of state. But some Republicans fear any FBI recommendation that hurts Clinton will be squashed by the Obama administration.
DeLay, a Texas Republican and Washington Times radio host, said:
“One way or another either she’s going to be indicted and that process begins, or we try her in the public eye with her campaign. One way or another she’s going to have to face these charges.”
Team Hillary is already admitting this will likely happen. Amazingly, the Clinton campaign has been busy accusing Obama’s intelligence Inspector General, Charles McCullough, of coordinating releases of information to help Republicans. (!) McCullough’s investigations found Clinton was sharing documents which were “beyond top secret”… a crime that should not only disqualify Hillary Clinton from the White House, but should carry a lengthy prison sentence!Read more: http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/breaking-fbi-is-ready-to-indict-hillary-rodham-clinton/#ixzz45KWHOOmI
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Yesterday on Today Hillary told Matt Lauer that it's just a "security review" and that these happen all the time. I have a question: when Hillary says "security review" what is she talking about?
Can someone provide a link explaining what a security review normally is, outside any connection to this situation?
Can someone provide a link explaining what a security review normally is, outside any connection to this situation?
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McGarnicle
Footballguy
I was yelling at the TV when she said that and Lauer didn't nail her on it. A security review with how many FBI agents assigned to the case, really?
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
Wasn't the "147 FBI agents working on the case" recently debunked? It's really something like 12?
McGarnicle
Footballguy
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
apalmer
Footballguy
On a Clinton? Sure. Otherwise the right-wing conspiracy wackos would be screaming that the FBI was tanking it.
I hate to bore Tim with a topic he finds so non-interesting so I will post it here. Hillary is lawyering up for the "security review" with longtime associate David Kendall.
Longtime Clinton Attorney Now Representing Hillary in FBI’s Criminal Probe
by Rachel Stockman | 9:04 am, April 15th, 2016
From Whitewater to the Lewinsky affair, David Kendall has been there for the Clintons. And now LawNewz.com has learned that the longtime Clinton attorney is also representing Hillary Clinton in the FBI’s probe into her private email server. He will likely not be far when she is interviewed by the FBI, which is expected to happen soon. Kendall knows a thing or two about classified information: He helped former CIA director David Patreaus avoid felony charges when Patreaus allegedly gave “black books” to a mistress who was writing his book.
Several reports indicate that the FBI investigation has entered its final stages. So it is no surprise that Clinton would need a lawyer by her side, and who better than the man who has been loyal to the Clinton family for more than twenty years. The choice of Kendall is not shocking as he’s also been handling the State Department and Senate’s inquiry into her private emails for months now. There was some speculation that as the investigation reportedly intensified, she may hire another attorney to deal with the FBI’s probe specifically, but Clinton is staying with a friend she knows well.
Kendall is known to be somewhat media shy and usually avoids the spotlight (he turned down an interview for this profile piece). He first got to know Bill and Hillary Clinton as their classmate at Yale Law School in the 1970s.
Kendall joined the white shoe Washington D.C. law firm Williams & Connolly in 1978. On his own website’s bio, it says “David Kendall has had a checkered legal career. His acquaintance with the legal process began when he was arrested several times (but convicted only once) in Mississippi during the summer of 1964 while attempting to register voters.” He started off his career defending civil rights cases at the NAACP Legal Defense & Education Fund. He won the famous Supreme Court case, Coker v. Georgia which declared it unconstitutional to execute someone who committed the crime of rape.
But unequivocally, what thrust him most into the (unwanted?) spotlight was his defense of the Clintons over the last two decades. According to a 1998 Washington Post article that detailed the key players in President Clinton’s Lewinsky scandal, Kendall certainly has his critics:
Second-guessing Kendall has become a bloodsport in Washington where some of his fellow lawyers fault Kendall for not having Clinton come forward earlier with the truth about Lewinsky, for letting him testify … They also blame Kendall for pursuing a legalistic argument — that receiving oral sex did not constitute a sexual relationship — that has proved widely unpalatable.
Last year, he ran into media scrutiny again when he kept a thumb drive that contained potentially classified emails from Clinton’s private server at his law firm.
“In most situations like this you’d expect that a warrant would be issued and the Marshals and the feds, FBI, somebody would go and get the thumb rive and take it somewhere where it would be considered safe by the government,” national security attorney Edward MacMahnon Jr. told Fox News back in August.
Despite his forays with controversy, Kendall has a reputation as a dogged attorney with a great deal of integrity. He’s represented a wide range of white collar, and corporate defendants including Arthur Andersen in the University Savings Case in Houston.
Washington D.C. insiders suspect that Kendall is working closely with a team of attorneys as the FBI probe reportedly wraps ups. FBI director James Comey has kept the details of what their probe entails — and if Clinton is even a target — under close wraps. In fact, agents working the case have reportedly been told they will be polygraphed from time to time to avoid leaks. If charges are even recommended by the FBI, U.S. Attorney General Loretta Lynch would also need to sign off on them. Kendall clearly is well aware this case has implications far beyond the legal matter at hand. He is certainly no novice at waging legal warfare for the Clintons, and this case will prove no exception.
Longtime Clinton Attorney Now Representing Hillary in FBI’s Criminal Probe
by Rachel Stockman | 9:04 am, April 15th, 2016
From Whitewater to the Lewinsky affair, David Kendall has been there for the Clintons. And now LawNewz.com has learned that the longtime Clinton attorney is also representing Hillary Clinton in the FBI’s probe into her private email server. He will likely not be far when she is interviewed by the FBI, which is expected to happen soon. Kendall knows a thing or two about classified information: He helped former CIA director David Patreaus avoid felony charges when Patreaus allegedly gave “black books” to a mistress who was writing his book.
Several reports indicate that the FBI investigation has entered its final stages. So it is no surprise that Clinton would need a lawyer by her side, and who better than the man who has been loyal to the Clinton family for more than twenty years. The choice of Kendall is not shocking as he’s also been handling the State Department and Senate’s inquiry into her private emails for months now. There was some speculation that as the investigation reportedly intensified, she may hire another attorney to deal with the FBI’s probe specifically, but Clinton is staying with a friend she knows well.
Kendall is known to be somewhat media shy and usually avoids the spotlight (he turned down an interview for this profile piece). He first got to know Bill and Hillary Clinton as their classmate at Yale Law School in the 1970s.
Kendall joined the white shoe Washington D.C. law firm Williams & Connolly in 1978. On his own website’s bio, it says “David Kendall has had a checkered legal career. His acquaintance with the legal process began when he was arrested several times (but convicted only once) in Mississippi during the summer of 1964 while attempting to register voters.” He started off his career defending civil rights cases at the NAACP Legal Defense & Education Fund. He won the famous Supreme Court case, Coker v. Georgia which declared it unconstitutional to execute someone who committed the crime of rape.
But unequivocally, what thrust him most into the (unwanted?) spotlight was his defense of the Clintons over the last two decades. According to a 1998 Washington Post article that detailed the key players in President Clinton’s Lewinsky scandal, Kendall certainly has his critics:
Second-guessing Kendall has become a bloodsport in Washington where some of his fellow lawyers fault Kendall for not having Clinton come forward earlier with the truth about Lewinsky, for letting him testify … They also blame Kendall for pursuing a legalistic argument — that receiving oral sex did not constitute a sexual relationship — that has proved widely unpalatable.
Last year, he ran into media scrutiny again when he kept a thumb drive that contained potentially classified emails from Clinton’s private server at his law firm.
“In most situations like this you’d expect that a warrant would be issued and the Marshals and the feds, FBI, somebody would go and get the thumb rive and take it somewhere where it would be considered safe by the government,” national security attorney Edward MacMahnon Jr. told Fox News back in August.
Despite his forays with controversy, Kendall has a reputation as a dogged attorney with a great deal of integrity. He’s represented a wide range of white collar, and corporate defendants including Arthur Andersen in the University Savings Case in Houston.
Washington D.C. insiders suspect that Kendall is working closely with a team of attorneys as the FBI probe reportedly wraps ups. FBI director James Comey has kept the details of what their probe entails — and if Clinton is even a target — under close wraps. In fact, agents working the case have reportedly been told they will be polygraphed from time to time to avoid leaks. If charges are even recommended by the FBI, U.S. Attorney General Loretta Lynch would also need to sign off on them. Kendall clearly is well aware this case has implications far beyond the legal matter at hand. He is certainly no novice at waging legal warfare for the Clintons, and this case will prove no exception.
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
TBH I was thinking Kendall might actually have to get his own counsel and would be conflicted out because he too would be under the microscope for mishandling classified data. If he is actually representing Hillary himself I'm thinking there is no such concern. Otoh I guess there isn't anything he could be asked a witness which he could also be asked as an attorney, but then I'm sure he will be objecting and claiming that questions cannot be answered on the basis of privilege for just that reason. Almost everything Hillary did was with attorneys, Kendall and Mills especially. - eta - Samuelson's an attorney too. They can all try to say they're just not answering questions because everything's privileged.
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That is how she constantly skirts the law. Hillary knows what it takes not to get caught.
Team Hillary’s final e-mail defense: mass amnesia
It was another week of news poking fresh holes in Hillary Clinton’s tattered e-mail defense. At this point, the only cover she has left are all the ongoing stonewalls.
One landmark event came Wednesday, when presidential spokesman Josh Earnest for the first time referred to the FBI’s probe of the e-mails as a “criminal investigation.”
http://nypost.com/2016/06/11/team-hillarys-final-e-mail-defense-mass-amnesia/
It was another week of news poking fresh holes in Hillary Clinton’s tattered e-mail defense. At this point, the only cover she has left are all the ongoing stonewalls.
One landmark event came Wednesday, when presidential spokesman Josh Earnest for the first time referred to the FBI’s probe of the e-mails as a “criminal investigation.”
http://nypost.com/2016/06/11/team-hillarys-final-e-mail-defense-mass-amnesia/
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
If she takes the 5th she will be screwing her election. Even Dumb Donald can handle that one. She has to go all the way.
I do predict her attorneys will object to every other syllable though.
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