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***$uper Official Hillary Indictment watch Thread*** (1 Viewer)

SaintsInDome2006 said:
If she takes the 5th she will be screwing her election. Even Dumb Donald can handle that one. She has to go all the way.

I do predict her attorneys will object to every other syllable though.
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She will take the 5th, IMHO, and her spin to the public will be she has been advised not to comment on the pending investigation.  Unless there is a leak, we may not even know she took the 5th. 

 
jon_mx said:
She will take the 5th, IMHO, and her spin to the public will be she has been advised not to comment on the pending investigation.  Unless there is a leak, we may not even know she took the 5th. 
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You may be right.

We found out about Mills exiting the interview though. They can do it the easy way and leak it out themselves (like with Mills) or wait for the FBI to let it out the hard way a la Mark Felt/Deep Throat.

This **** is happening, and TBH just having to answer to rank and file FBI is a W as far as I'm concerned.

 
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And Saints is right. Were Hillary to take the 5th in a deposition, or refuse to answer any question put to her by the FBI, that would utterly destroy her campaign.

This has been coming for quite some time. Most experts believe that this interview will indicate the end of the investigation (which for the record I still don't believe is a criminal investigation, since I don't believe the FBI has found that anything criminal has taken place.)

 
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Makes sense it's happening over the long weekend.  Hillary was off the campaign trail today, reportedly at home, and likely hunkering down with attorneys and advisors.  

 
timschochet said:
And Saints is right. Were Hillary to take the 5th in a deposition, or refuse to answer any question put to her by the FBI, that would utterly destroy her campaign.

This has been coming for quite some time. Most experts believe that this interview will indicate the end of the investigation (which for the record I still don't believe is a criminal investigation, since I don't believe the FBI has found that anything criminal has taken place.)
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Flip flopping.  You conceded it was a criminal investigation yesterday.  

 
timschochet said:
And Saints is right. Were Hillary to take the 5th in a deposition, or refuse to answer any question put to her by the FBI, that would utterly destroy her campaign.

This has been coming for quite some time. Most experts believe that this interview will indicate the end of the investigation (which for the record I still don't believe is a criminal investigation, since I don't believe the FBI has found that anything criminal has taken place.)
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It is a criminal investigation regardless.  Their results of their findings does not change what the investigation is.  There is probable cause a crime has been committed and they are investigating.  

 
jon_mx said:
It is a criminal investigation regardless.  Their results of their findings does not change what the investigation is.  There is probable cause a crime has been committed and they are investigating.  
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Exactly.  

Remember, Tim is he same guy who has repeatedly defended a serial liar in Nixon, a rapist in Polanski for his "crime" which Tim put in quotes to indicate he didn't think it was a crime, he maligned the teenage girl Polanski raped as "promiscuous," among so many other episodes of indefensible episodes.  He does this to stand out, draw attention to himself, even if it's negative.  It's so pathological.

 
Anyway, if we wind up with no indictment, good.  She better beat Trump.  But, make no mistake the FBI doesn't **** around with stuff that isn't potentially criminal in nature.  They are investigating if crimes were committed.  As such, it is a criminal investigation.

 
jon_mx said:
It is a criminal investigation regardless.  Their results of their findings does not change what the investigation is.  There is probable cause a crime has been committed and they are investigating.  
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The FBI does not have to meet that threshold to conduct any investigation. That is not a requirement. They could just be determining whether or not a crime occurred.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/may/12/fbis-investigation-hillary-clintons-emails-recap/ 

What we know about the FBI’s investigation into Hillary Clinton’s emails [...]

The FBI is determining if criminal activity occurred in connection with the email setup.

We talked to experts in federal criminal investigations, and they told us that the FBI doesn’t look into issues just for the heck of it. They assess cases to find out whether criminal activity occurred.

"We don’t do these because we’re curious," said Ellen Glasser, a retired FBI special agent who worked on cases regarding mishandled classified information. "There’s a potential that a criminal violation took place." [...]

 
squistion said:
The FBI does not have to meet that threshold to conduct any investigation. That is not a requirement. They could just be determining whether or not a crime occurred.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/may/12/fbis-investigation-hillary-clintons-emails-recap/ 

What we know about the FBI’s investigation into Hillary Clinton’s emails [...]

The FBI is determining if criminal activity occurred in connection with the email setup.

We talked to experts in federal criminal investigations, and they told us that the FBI doesn’t look into issues just for the heck of it. They assess cases to find out whether criminal activity occurred.

"We don’t do these because we’re curious," said Ellen Glasser, a retired FBI special agent who worked on cases regarding mishandled classified information. "There’s a potential that a criminal violation took place." [...]
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I did not say a crime took place, I said there was probable cause.  The FBI could not take her server without probable cause.  Nothing you posted contradicted what I said, but reinforced it. The potential that a crime took place is why it is referred to as a criminal investigation.  That was my point. 

 
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jon_mx said:
I did not say a crime took place, I said there was probable cause.  The FBI could not take her server without probable cause.  Nothing you posted contradicted what I said, but reinforced it. The potential that a crime took place is why it is referred to as a criminal investigation.  That was my point. 
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The FBI did not seize her server, she voluntarily turned it over. So they did not establish nor have to establish probable cause in this instance.

 
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squistion said:
The FBI did not seize her server, she voluntarily turned it over. So they did not establish nor have to establish probable cause in this instance.
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That's wrong.

FBI tells you turn over something you can either DO IT or have it done to you. No choice.

 
timschochet said:
And Saints is right. Were Hillary to take the 5th in a deposition, or refuse to answer any question put to her by the FBI, that would utterly destroy her campaign.

This has been coming for quite some time. Most experts believe that this interview will indicate the end of the investigation (which for the record I still don't believe is a criminal investigation, since I don't believe the FBI has found that anything criminal has taken place.)
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You do realize the fact that they haven't found anything doesn't mean it is not a criminal investigation, don't you?

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
That's wrong.

FBI tells you turn over something you can either DO IT or have it done to you. No choice.
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The FBI asked for it, her lawyers then turned it over, and the FBI picked it up.  They were told either turn it over or they will get a warrant to take it.  Of course it can be spun as 'voluntary'.  

 
Jfc, are you idiots going to spend all day parsing out "criminal investigation"?     You'll still be arguing when we get the outcome from the FBI.  

Btw, "idiots" refers to both sides in this waste of time. 

 
squistion said:
No, it was still voluntary, even though you can try to spin it otherwise.
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Spoken in true Clintonian.   Yes there are definitions that it fits, but everyone knows the bull#### you are peddling.  Just engaging in stupid semantics.  When there is potential threat it is not really voluntary by most people's common use of the word. 

 
Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein told the Observer two weeks ago, “This is sort of typical Hillary Clinton; to do things that are not legal, to say that they are, and then try to cover them up. Hillary Clinton severely chastised other whistleblowers for using Internet channels that were not secure and yet she herself was doing that with private, high level state department information.”

 
So...if Hillary can delay this a bit longer until after she's elected...can she pardon herself?

 
jon_mx said:
The FBI asked for it, her lawyers then turned it over, and the FBI picked it up.  They were told either turn it over or they will get a warrant to take it.  Of course it can be spun as 'voluntary'.  
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A threat by the FBI is just that, a threat.  It's not the same as the FBI actually establishing probable cause deemed sufficient by a judge.  Besides, they wouldn't have bothered with probable cause - they'd have confiscated it on national security grounds.  

 
dparker713 said:
A threat by the FBI is just that, a threat.  It's not the same as the FBI actually establishing probable cause deemed sufficient by a judge.  Besides, they wouldn't have bothered with probable cause - they'd have confiscated it on national security grounds.  
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On what flippin' basis? Our US Congressman in NO had his computers and data taken out of his Congressional office and he fought that all the way to the USSC IIRC. You're nuts, there is no fighting the FBI when they show up at your door... and in a national security investigation? Get out.

 
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squistion said:
No, it was still voluntary, even though you can try to spin it otherwise.
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QUESTION: Secretary Clinton? Did you or any of your aides delete any government- related e-mails from your personal account? And what lengths are you willing to go to to prove that you didn’t?

Some people, including supporters of yours, have suggested having an independent arbiter look at your server, for instance.

CLINTON: We did not. In fact, my direction to conduct the thorough investigation was to err on the side of providing anything that could be possibly viewed as work related.

That doesn’t mean they will be by the State Department once the State Department goes through them, but out of an abundance of caution and care, you know, we wanted to send that message unequivocally.

That is the responsibility of the individual and I have fulfilled that responsibility, and I have no doubt that we have done exactly what we should have done. When the search was conducted, we were asking that any email be identified and preserved that could potentially be federal records, and that’s exactly what we did.

And we went, as I said, beyond that. And the process produced over 30,000 you know, work emails, and I think that we have more than met the requests from the State Department. The server contains personal communications from my husband and me, and I believe I have met all of my responsibilities and the server will remain private and I think that the State Department will be able, over time, to release all of the records that were provided.
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- This is so laughably a LIE x 1000.

Hillary refused to turn over the server for inspection.

Hillary lied when she said she turned over everything, something like 200 work related emails have already turned up. She said that to keep people away from teh server.

.Hillary claimed she did a "through investigation." She said that to keep people away from the server.

Then her attorney Kendall wrote Congress and said not only would they never turn the server over but they had wiped everything off the server. Also a lie, to Congress. Which he told to justify not turning over the server because hey nothing was on it.

Then the FBI took the server

The FBI took the backup servers from River Platte in CO.

The FBI took the backup to the backup in CT.

And IIRC the FBI took some more backup dedicated hardware in PA.

And the FBI took all the data remaining in Kendall's possession.

You are dreaming a fever dream if you think Hillary wanted to do any of this.

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
On what flippin' basis? Our US Congressman in NO had his computers and data taken out of his Congressional office and he fought that all the way to the USSC IIRC. You're nuts, there is no fighting the FBI when they show up at your door... and in a national security investigation? Get out.
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Simple question, was there a warrant issued for her server?  If not, then the FBI did not establish probable cause.  This is pretty simple.

 
dparker713 said:
SaintsInDome2006 said:
You know better than that, 'we can do this the easy way or we can do this the hard way.'
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This exchange started with this comment from jon_mx:

jon_mx said:
There is probable cause a crime has been committed and they are investigating.  
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That's quite simply not something you can surmise from Hillary turning over her server.
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That comment by Jon was about the investigation, not the server. The server is a separate discussion. The idea there isn't PC to investigate is laughable. I've got news forya, they're investigating.

As for the server itself, Hillary made clear at the outset she would never turn it over voluntarily.

 
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