Uproar at my kids school this week... (1 Viewer)

[James Daulton]

Does no one remember Tom and Jerry? How about Roadrunner?

Freaking nancy-a** parents.

 

[Banger]

Does no one remember Tom and Jerry? How about Roadrunner?

Freaking nancy-a** parents.

I grew up on Tom and Jerry and road runner and my kids watch them as well. This is not that...

 

[NCCommish]

Does no one remember Tom and Jerry? How about Roadrunner?

I remember the originals. But they largely cleaned those up long ago. Took out the fun to make them safe for the kids. There are a lot of Bugs Bunny shorts that will probably never be shown on TV again.

 

[El Floppo]

Does no one remember Tom and Jerry? How about Roadrunner?

Freaking nancy-a** parents.

I grew up on Tom and Jerry and road runner and my kids watch them as well. This is not that...

Not a lot of pooling blood in Tom and Jerry.

 

[Disco Stu]

Does no one remember Tom and Jerry? How about Roadrunner?

Freaking nancy-a** parents.

I grew up on Tom and Jerry and road runner and my kids watch them as well. This is not that...

This is more like Itchy and Scratchy.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Does no one remember Tom and Jerry? How about Roadrunner?

Freaking nancy-a** parents.

I grew up on Tom and Jerry and road runner and my kids watch them as well. This is not that...

Not a lot of pooling blood in Tom and Jerry.

Or humans.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Does no one remember Tom and Jerry? How about Roadrunner?

Freaking nancy-a** parents.

Not that I agree with you but I'd be willing to bet that all of these kids read/sang "Little Bunny Foo-Foo" in pre-K or Kindergarten. If you don't know the song/story it's about a psychotic rabbit that beats the ever-loving #### out of a bunch of mice.

 

[El Floppo]

Does no one remember Tom and Jerry? How about Roadrunner?

Freaking nancy-a** parents.

Not that I agree with you but I'd be willing to bet that all of these kids read/sang "Little Bunny Foo-Foo" in pre-K or Kindergarten. If you don't know the song/story it's about a psychotic rabbit that beats the ever-loving #### out of a bunch of mice.

and don't get me started on Ba-Ba Black Sheep.

 

[James Daulton]

Does no one remember Tom and Jerry? How about Roadrunner?

Freaking nancy-a** parents.

Not that I agree with you but I'd be willing to bet that all of these kids read/sang "Little Bunny Foo-Foo" in pre-K or Kindergarten. If you don't know the song/story it's about a psychotic rabbit that beats the ever-loving #### out of a bunch of mice.

I'm not arguing that the cartoon was appropriate, just that it caused such an uproar is crazy. The teacher should certainly be disciplined for poor judgement but to take the next step and worry about poor johnny or sally's nightmares is just dumb. A lot of parents try way to hard to remove every bit of stress from their kid's lives.

 

[GOB]

Has Tim weighed in yet?

I'd like to wait and see if this is the biggest outrage or greatest overreaction of all time.

 

[Warpig]

I've watched it twice and still can't figure out why parents would be upset

no sure if you're kidding but I would guess you aren't a parent. We don't hide our kids from the world and show them/talk about difficult topics. We've shown our kids shows about apartheid, Nazi Germany, etc but I understand that may not be suitable for other kids and I would never just show someone elses kid a movie/show on a graphic/difficult subject at this age without letting their parents know/getting their permission. That video was just senseless and disturbing for kids with no value and I'm pretty easy going on these things.

I agree.

I found the graphicness of it a bit much for 3rd graders. And I love gory horror flicks. There is no place for that kind of stuff in a 3rd grade classroom. No wonder our kids are shooting up schools and stabbing people.

And for a parent not to have an issue with it...they are part of the problem.

 

[T Bell]

There are things to get undies in a bunch over. Then there's things to just take a breath and move on.

This is the former not the latter.

Do people have no discretion anymore? What the hell?

WTF was she thinking?

I mean, I don't think we've got any newly minted serial killers out of this, but what did she think was going to come of this?

 

[fantasycurse42]

Need a physical description of this woman...

 

[Banger]

Need a physical description of this woman...

unfortunately I couldn't pick her out of a lineup since she's the art teacher that my kids have once a week. I'll ask my buddy though.

 

[T Bell]

There are things to get undies in a bunch over. Then there's things to just take a breath and move on.

This is the former not the latter.

Do people have no discretion anymore? What the hell?

My buddy was telling me yesterday that I have to see what she had the kids watch and I was thinking like is the case most of the time that these parents are way too sensitive and politically correct and that it was probably nothing. Then I watched it and for the life of me though I can't understand how she thought that was ok for 7-8 year olds and apparently she was laughing while it was playing in the class. an excerpt of the email chain I was sent...

[SIZE=13.5pt]...She has since sent the parents an apology, in which she said she didn't look at the video before she showed it to them and didn't watch it when they were watching it (which is NOT true). A lot of the kids have told their parents she did watch it with them and was laughing the whole time. Many of the parents have complained to the principal and I spoke to her today. She wasn't able to give me an answer, just that there was an investigation underway. Ms. XXXXX called me and gave a convoluted story, she said she thought it was more like "Tom and Jerry" violence. The worst part isn't that showed the kids this, but that she lied about it. She told the principal she only showed one class (and later admitted to showing it to another class) as well as saying she had no idea what the video was about. My son and several other classmates said she was LAUGHING with them watching it. Many of the children in their class complained of having nightmares because of this.....[/SIZE]

I like how "LAUGHING" is so dramatically in ALL CAPS!

 

[T Bell]

WTF is a "highly competitive town"?

That is one weird tune, and definitely weird to play for kids

Lots of food-warrior factions.

Wow this place has basically just become one big circle of dickdom hasn't it?

You really need to grow thicker skin if you're going to make as many stupid posts as you do.

 

[T Bell]

As someone who can't watch the video, can we get a brief synopsis as to what takes place in the video?

TIA

Think South Park acting out the lyrics to the song.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Need a physical description of this woman...

unfortunately I couldn't pick her out of a lineup since she's the art teacher that my kids have once a week. I'll ask my buddy though.

She sounds insane... If she is attractive I'd imagine easy and fun in the bedroom.

 

[Clifford]

WTF is a "highly competitive town"?

That is one weird tune, and definitely weird to play for kids

Lots of food-warrior factions.

Wow this place has basically just become one big circle of dickdom hasn't it?

You really need to grow thicker skin if you're going to make as many stupid posts as you do.

Big man.

 

[TheIronSheik]

As someone who can't watch the video, can we get a brief synopsis as to what takes place in the video?

TIA

Think South Park acting out the lyrics to the song.

I watched the first 30 or so seconds because I was intrigued. What's funny is at first I thought, "Wow. Inappropriate." And when someone said, "What about Tom and Jerry?", my first thought was, "I don't remember them showing blood."

Then someone said the same thing and said it's more like Itchy and Scratchy. And that's very accurate. But what's odd is my 10 year old watches The Simpsons and sees that. And I never thought, "Ooooo. That's not good." I'm divided on where I stand on this. I think it was wrong for the teacher to show it, because it's not her kids. But with that said, I don't think it's that big of a deal.

 

[Henry Ford]

I guess these parents are really...

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bringing down the hammer
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YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

WTF is a "highly competitive town"?

That is one weird tune, and definitely weird to play for kids

Lots of food-warrior factions.

Wow this place has basically just become one big circle of dickdom hasn't it?

You really need to grow thicker skin if you're going to make as many stupid posts as you do.

Big man.

Grow some hard bark, bro.

 

[top dog]

Now granted... I'm 40 and didn't grow up with the Beatles. I'm still trying to figure out what was the value of that song? It's artistic? I don't see they symbolism in that song. Just that it is dumb IMO.

On 9 August 1967 Kenneth Halliwell killed his lover Joe Orton with nine hammer blows to the head, and then overdosed on sleeping pills.[9] Their bodies were discovered late the following morning, when a chauffeur arrived at the door of their Noel Road flat in Islington to collect Orton for a meeting with The Beatles regarding a screenplay he had written for them.

Or

In 1994, McCartney said that the song merely epitomizes the downfalls of life, being "my analogy for when something goes wrong out of the blue, as it so often does, as I was beginning to find out at that time in my life. I wanted something symbolic of that, so to me it was some fictitious character called Maxwell with a silver hammer. I don't know why it was silver, it just sounded better than Maxwell's hammer. It was needed for scanning. We still use that expression now when something unexpected happens.

Pffft... Either way I agree the video is inappropriate for 3rd graders but i believe the song is inappropriate for any graders because it blows.

 

[Clifford]

WTF is a "highly competitive town"?

That is one weird tune, and definitely weird to play for kids

Lots of food-warrior factions.

Wow this place has basically just become one big circle of dickdom hasn't it?

You really need to grow thicker skin if you're going to make as many stupid posts as you do.

Big man.

Grow some hard bark, bro.

This is specific to this one poster. Fighting words over the Internet are just stupid. And I am not referring to this post.

 

[James Daulton]

As someone who can't watch the video, can we get a brief synopsis as to what takes place in the video?

TIA

Think South Park acting out the lyrics to the song.

I watched the first 30 or so seconds because I was intrigued. What's funny is at first I thought, "Wow. Inappropriate." And when someone said, "What about Tom and Jerry?", my first thought was, "I don't remember them showing blood."

Then someone said the same thing and said it's more like Itchy and Scratchy. And that's very accurate. But what's odd is my 10 year old watches The Simpsons and sees that. And I never thought, "Ooooo. That's not good." I'm divided on where I stand on this. I think it was wrong for the teacher to show it, because it's not her kids. But with that said, I don't think it's that big of a deal.

Prepare yourself for a slew of "the Simpsons aren't appropriate for a 10 year old" posts. And maybe it was I&S that I was thinking of, but a quick Wiki of Tom and Jerry gives us "The cartoons are infamous for some of the most violent cartoon gags ever devised in theatrical animation such as Tom using everything from axes, hammers, firearms, firecrackers, explosives, traps and poison to kill Jerry. On the other hand, Jerry's methods of retaliation are far more violent due to their frequent success, including slicing Tom in half, shutting his head in a window or a door, stuffing Tom's tail in a waffle iron or a mangle, kicking him into arefrigerator, getting him electrocuted, pounding him with a mace, club or mallet, causing a tree or an electric pole to drive him into the ground, sticking matches into his feet and lighting them, tying him to a firework and setting it off, and so on.[1] Because of this, Tom and Jerry has often been criticized as excessively violent. Despite the frequent violence, there is no blood or gore in any scene."

So while there may not have been any blood, there was certainly tons of violence.

 

[Mr. Cross]

Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ was tortured and murdered on the cross. Killing is part of life and these kids need to understand that. They should have started with Cain and Able though.

 

[TheIronSheik]

As someone who can't watch the video, can we get a brief synopsis as to what takes place in the video?

TIA

Think South Park acting out the lyrics to the song.

I watched the first 30 or so seconds because I was intrigued. What's funny is at first I thought, "Wow. Inappropriate." And when someone said, "What about Tom and Jerry?", my first thought was, "I don't remember them showing blood."

Then someone said the same thing and said it's more like Itchy and Scratchy. And that's very accurate. But what's odd is my 10 year old watches The Simpsons and sees that. And I never thought, "Ooooo. That's not good." I'm divided on where I stand on this. I think it was wrong for the teacher to show it, because it's not her kids. But with that said, I don't think it's that big of a deal.

Prepare yourself for a slew of "the Simpsons aren't appropriate for a 10 year old" posts. And maybe it was I&S that I was thinking of, but a quick Wiki of Tom and Jerry gives us "The cartoons are infamous for some of the most violent cartoon gags ever devised in theatrical animation such as Tom using everything from axes, hammers, firearms, firecrackers, explosives, traps and poison to kill Jerry. On the other hand, Jerry's methods of retaliation are far more violent due to their frequent success, including slicing Tom in half, shutting his head in a window or a door, stuffing Tom's tail in a waffle iron or a mangle, kicking him into arefrigerator, getting him electrocuted, pounding him with a mace, club or mallet, causing a tree or an electric pole to drive him into the ground, sticking matches into his feet and lighting them, tying him to a firework and setting it off, and so on.[1] Because of this, Tom and Jerry has often been criticized as excessively violent. Despite the frequent violence, there is no blood or gore in any scene."

So while there may not have been any blood, there was certainly tons of violence.

I never said there wasn't violence. I think everyone knows that T&J are extremely violent.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ was tortured and murdered on the cross.

Allegedly.

 

[fantasycurse42]

I'm a bit confused how an art teacher fit this video into curriculum? I remember art class as a room where I had my assigned seat, with my drawing/painting/coloring equipment and outside of some basic instruction it was fairly hands off by the teacher.

What was the context behind showing this video?

 

[James Daulton]

As someone who can't watch the video, can we get a brief synopsis as to what takes place in the video?

TIA

Think South Park acting out the lyrics to the song.

I watched the first 30 or so seconds because I was intrigued. What's funny is at first I thought, "Wow. Inappropriate." And when someone said, "What about Tom and Jerry?", my first thought was, "I don't remember them showing blood."

Then someone said the same thing and said it's more like Itchy and Scratchy. And that's very accurate. But what's odd is my 10 year old watches The Simpsons and sees that. And I never thought, "Ooooo. That's not good." I'm divided on where I stand on this. I think it was wrong for the teacher to show it, because it's not her kids. But with that said, I don't think it's that big of a deal.

Prepare yourself for a slew of "the Simpsons aren't appropriate for a 10 year old" posts. And maybe it was I&S that I was thinking of, but a quick Wiki of Tom and Jerry gives us "The cartoons are infamous for some of the most violent cartoon gags ever devised in theatrical animation such as Tom using everything from axes, hammers, firearms, firecrackers, explosives, traps and poison to kill Jerry. On the other hand, Jerry's methods of retaliation are far more violent due to their frequent success, including slicing Tom in half, shutting his head in a window or a door, stuffing Tom's tail in a waffle iron or a mangle, kicking him into arefrigerator, getting him electrocuted, pounding him with a mace, club or mallet, causing a tree or an electric pole to drive him into the ground, sticking matches into his feet and lighting them, tying him to a firework and setting it off, and so on.[1] Because of this, Tom and Jerry has often been criticized as excessively violent. Despite the frequent violence, there is no blood or gore in any scene."

So while there may not have been any blood, there was certainly tons of violence.

I never said there wasn't violence. I think everyone knows that T&J are extremely violent.

Ya, that wasn't directed at you. Just saying that despite T&J not showing blood it was violent and I'd bet most of us grew up watching a ton of it.

My kids used to love watching the Simpsons with me too. Now they're older teens and don't seem to find it as enjoyable anymore...

 

[NCCommish]

Now granted... I'm 40 and didn't grow up with the Beatles. I'm still trying to figure out what was the value of that song? It's artistic? I don't see they symbolism in that song. Just that it is dumb IMO.

On 9 August 1967 Kenneth Halliwell killed his lover Joe Orton with nine hammer blows to the head, and then overdosed on sleeping pills.[9] Their bodies were discovered late the following morning, when a chauffeur arrived at the door of their Noel Road flat in Islington to collect Orton for a meeting with The Beatles regarding a screenplay he had written for them.

Or

In 1994, McCartney said that the song merely epitomizes the downfalls of life, being "my analogy for when something goes wrong out of the blue, as it so often does, as I was beginning to find out at that time in my life. I wanted something symbolic of that, so to me it was some fictitious character called Maxwell with a silver hammer. I don't know why it was silver, it just sounded better than Maxwell's hammer. It was needed for scanning. We still use that expression now when something unexpected happens.

Pffft... Either way I agree the video is inappropriate for 3rd graders but i believe the song is inappropriate for any graders because it blows.

It's a catchy little ditty.

 

[T Bell]

WTF is a "highly competitive town"?

That is one weird tune, and definitely weird to play for kids

Lots of food-warrior factions.

Wow this place has basically just become one big circle of dickdom hasn't it?

You really need to grow thicker skin if you're going to make as many stupid posts as you do.

Big man.

Grow some hard bark, bro.

This is specific to this one poster. Fighting words over the Internet are just stupid. And I am not referring to this post.

Like I said.

 

[Banger]

I'm a bit confused how an art teacher fit this video into curriculum? I remember art class as a room where I had my assigned seat, with my drawing/painting/coloring equipment and outside of some basic instruction it was fairly hands off by the teacher.

What was the context behind showing this video?

my buddy just forwarded me her apology letter....I have to say, although it was a stupid thing to do, I'm not quite as upset as I was...

[SIZE=medium]To the parents of third grade art students,[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium] On Friday, in art we were learning about artistic styles or “movements of art”. We brainstormed a list of styles that the students have touched upon in their Jefferson art careers and some art movements that we will be studying in the future. Friday, we started the “Realism” style and I brought live Japanese fighting fish into the classroom (one fish per table) so that the students could have an introduction to “Life Drawing”. The children were very excited during the demonstration, and ready to get to work after deciding which fish they would draw. The fish were all named after Beatles songs, Jude, Eleanor Rigby, Michelle my belle, etc.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium] As the children were working on their preliminary sketches, I thought that it would be nice to listen to the songs that their fish were named after. For the “Lucy” fish, I played Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds, and as they were working, I told them about the images in the video, which were based on the art of Peter Max, and described that art style. The video for “Hey Jude” was just a still life of The Beatles in their “Sergeant Pepper” regalia. I thought that this was a nice tie- in to “Music In Our Schools” month, which just ended in March.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium] The video for Maxwell was in cartoon style. I did not preview the video and that was my first mistake. I didn’t think a video from a Beatles song, especially a cartoon video, would be inappropriate. I lacked judgment on several fronts and I apologize for this. The video showed, what I thought was, Tom and Jerry style violence, and the children were laughing. At the time, I just thought that they were being entertained as they worked, and I continued helping children with their sketches. The video was about 3 minutes long and I realize now, that I should have previewed the video; I should have turned the video off as soon as it showed any kind of violence, and I should’ve talked to the children about my mistake and how violence should never be portrayed in school.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium] I sincerely apologize for my lack of judgment in this matter. To say it will never happen again is an understatement. I acted irresponsibly, it is inexcusable for a teacher, and I’m sorry if this had a negative impact on your child.[/SIZE]

 

[El Floppo]

pretty much what I wrote earlier.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Teacher messed up. Teacher apologizes.

Good enough for me.

 

[fantasycurse42]

That letter works for me & I would move on as a parent... Although she is now sitting on 2 strikes with little margin for error.

 

[T Bell]

Teacher messed up. Teacher apologizes.

Good enough for me.

Sounds like a pretty involved art class too, actually.

 

[Kal El]

The song itself probably isn't much worse than some of the songs out on top 40 radio, but that teacher is nuts if they think playing this video won't cause a commotion. There are easier ways to show different types of art and animation.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Awesome. She played them songs about murder and LSD.

Way to go!

Spoiler

Sounds like just a rookie mistake. I'd say it's best to forget it and move on.

 

[zamboni]

The apology was fine, except she shouldn't get off that easy given her use of “Sergeant Pepper”. <_<

 

[NCCommish]

The apology was fine, except she shouldn't get off that easy given her use of “Sergeant Pepper”. <_<

True

 

[cstu]

I've watched it twice and still can't figure out why parents would be upset

 

[cstu]

[SIZE=13.5pt] Many of the children in their class complained of having nightmares because of this.....[/SIZE]

Bunch of Nancies imo

If this is not a fishing trip, and there are 3rd graders who had nightmares after watching the video once, then those are simply emotionally disturbed children, and they would have had nightmares anyways. Keep them away from their shadow.

Clueless.

 

[Banger]

That letter works for me & I would move on as a parent... Although she is now sitting on 2 strikes with little margin for error.

agreed. my buddy said to me ...she's gotta go. I disagreed after reading that and said if she's been a good teacher otherwise I'd give her a warning but let her stay.

 

[NCCommish]

I've watched it twice and still can't figure out why parents would be upset

The average child witnesses about 8000 murders on TV before they finish elementary school IIRC.

 

[cstu]

Does no one remember Tom and Jerry? How about Roadrunner?

Freaking nancy-a** parents.

Not that I agree with you but I'd be willing to bet that all of these kids read/sang "Little Bunny Foo-Foo" in pre-K or Kindergarten. If you don't know the song/story it's about a psychotic rabbit that beats the ever-loving #### out of a bunch of mice.

'Bopping them on the head' can be taken various ways. Plus she gets turned into a goon.

 

[Henry Ford]

Does no one remember Tom and Jerry? How about Roadrunner?

Freaking nancy-a** parents.

Not that I agree with you but I'd be willing to bet that all of these kids read/sang "Little Bunny Foo-Foo" in pre-K or Kindergarten. If you don't know the song/story it's about a psychotic rabbit that beats the ever-loving #### out of a bunch of mice.

and don't get me started on Ba-Ba Black Sheep.

I don't understand why commentary on a wool tax is scary.

 

[cstu]

I've watched it twice and still can't figure out why parents would be upset

The average child witnesses about 8000 murders on TV before they finish elementary school IIRC.

I know it happens but I'm trying to keep my daughter away from violence as much as possible.

The most disturbing thing about this story is the teacher laughing along with the video. That's extremely creepy.

 

[cstu]

I'm a bit confused how an art teacher fit this video into curriculum? I remember art class as a room where I had my assigned seat, with my drawing/painting/coloring equipment and outside of some basic instruction it was fairly hands off by the teacher.

What was the context behind showing this video?

my buddy just forwarded me her apology letter....I have to say, although it was a stupid thing to do, I'm not quite as upset as I was...

[SIZE=medium]To the parents of third grade art students,[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium] On Friday, in art we were learning about artistic styles or “movements of art”. We brainstormed a list of styles that the students have touched upon in their Jefferson art careers and some art movements that we will be studying in the future. Friday, we started the “Realism” style and I brought live Japanese fighting fish into the classroom (one fish per table) so that the students could have an introduction to “Life Drawing”. The children were very excited during the demonstration, and ready to get to work after deciding which fish they would draw. The fish were all named after Beatles songs, Jude, Eleanor Rigby, Michelle my belle, etc.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium] As the children were working on their preliminary sketches, I thought that it would be nice to listen to the songs that their fish were named after. For the “Lucy” fish, I played Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds, and as they were working, I told them about the images in the video, which were based on the art of Peter Max, and described that art style. The video for “Hey Jude” was just a still life of The Beatles in their “Sergeant Pepper” regalia. I thought that this was a nice tie- in to “Music In Our Schools” month, which just ended in March.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium] The video for Maxwell was in cartoon style. I did not preview the video and that was my first mistake. I didn’t think a video from a Beatles song, especially a cartoon video, would be inappropriate. I lacked judgment on several fronts and I apologize for this. The video showed, what I thought was, Tom and Jerry style violence, and the children were laughing. At the time, I just thought that they were being entertained as they worked, and I continued helping children with their sketches. The video was about 3 minutes long and I realize now, that I should have previewed the video; I should have turned the video off as soon as it showed any kind of violence, and I should’ve talked to the children about my mistake and how violence should never be portrayed in school.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium] I sincerely apologize for my lack of judgment in this matter. To say it will never happen again is an understatement. I acted irresponsibly, it is inexcusable for a teacher, and I’m sorry if this had a negative impact on your child.[/SIZE]

This woman is so full of ####.

 

[Mr. Cross]

Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ was tortured and murdered on the cross.

Allegedly.

Historical fact.