need2know
Footballguy
Apparently Meyer doesn't understand what no contact practices means.Biabreakable said:
https://www.bigcatcountry.com/2021/7/1/22559871/jaguars-urban-meyer-fined-for-ota-violations
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https://www.bigcatcountry.com/2021/7/1/22559871/jaguars-urban-meyer-fined-for-ota-violations
JaxBill
Footballguy
While Meyer will undoubtedly sell tickets to fill empty seats , the tarps have been gone since 2018.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Thanks.
I figured it was something like this.
The rules are in place to keep the players safe. Of course coaches will push the limit on this as much as they can, and Meyer new to this so more ignorant about it.
Those fines are about as annoying as a fly at a picnic to these coaches, maybe less.
CravenM
Footballguy
I don't think Tebow would make a classic TE (nor perhaps even a good TE) but I definitely think Meyer sees him as a jack-of-all-trades for his team and isn't worried about conventions:
1) Simple TE catches
2) 3rd string backup QB
3) Short-yardage bull over the left guard to get a 1st down
4) Kicker sucks? Let Tebow run in the extra points
5) Jump pass over the goal line
6) Half back pass downfield
And don't forget his epic game against the Steelers
1) Simple TE catches
2) 3rd string backup QB
3) Short-yardage bull over the left guard to get a 1st down
4) Kicker sucks? Let Tebow run in the extra points
5) Jump pass over the goal line
6) Half back pass downfield
And don't forget his epic game against the Steelers
massraider
Footballguy
When I consider the state of that franchise, the history of the ownership there, Meyer's own colorful past, AND adding the #1 overall pick at QB, I think adding a Tebow sideshow is a pretty terrible idea.
nittanylion
Footballguy
If it serves to draw attention away from the 4 things you mentioned above, so that the Jaguars who matter remain focused on preparing for the 2021 NFL Season, it might be considered a pretty shrewd move.
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Snorkelson
Footballguy
I think you’re premise is sound, but that list makes me laugh imagining him trying to do all that and how badly it could make Meyer look when it doesn’t work. I could see him as some sort of poor mans taysom hill though.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
If he was capable of doing any of those things, he wouldn't have been out of the NFL for the last 9 years.
CravenM
Footballguy
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
His name has come up again and attached to a lawsuit that I actually don't think he had much of a hand in EXCEPT that he decided to hire this turkey knowing full well his track record and the circumstances surrounding his departure from Iowa, just ridiculous.
-In other news there seems to be rumors he will try emulate what Hill is used for in New Orleans and the Jags will lose every game in October so the hot seat will be hotter and hotter as the season moves along, Trevor is going to look like Tua some weeks I hate to say it with this type of coaching he is expected to receive from Meyer.
-In other news there seems to be rumors he will try emulate what Hill is used for in New Orleans and the Jags will lose every game in October so the hot seat will be hotter and hotter as the season moves along, Trevor is going to look like Tua some weeks I hate to say it with this type of coaching he is expected to receive from Meyer.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Some of the early returns on Urban Meyers include
-The Jags were penalized by the NFL earlier this month for violating contact rules during offseason practices.
The club was fined $200,000, Meyer incurred a $100K fine, and the Jags will forfeit 2022 OTA practices.
He's racking up the accolades quick, oh yeah and he was subpoenaed to boot.
-The Jags were penalized by the NFL earlier this month for violating contact rules during offseason practices.
The club was fined $200,000, Meyer incurred a $100K fine, and the Jags will forfeit 2022 OTA practices.
He's racking up the accolades quick, oh yeah and he was subpoenaed to boot.
The Kerminator
Footballguy
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Let's check in with a "Camp Report"
-Tim Tebow was released and the entire experiment was a waste of time for those around him.
-Travis Etienne who was largely seen as a reach by Meyer who also commented that he didn't plan on Travis being an every down type back...that's good because he now won't see Travis for pretty much the entire season. Could have maybe tried to draft a solid OL prospect to help Lawrence get some time to operate in the pocket, these days you can sign RBs walking the street but he burns a valuable 1st round pick after taking a franchise QB at No 1.
Trevor Lawrence hasn't looked All World at all and it would seem his surrounding cast isn't very good either including perhaps the coaches.
-Tim Tebow was released and the entire experiment was a waste of time for those around him.
-Travis Etienne who was largely seen as a reach by Meyer who also commented that he didn't plan on Travis being an every down type back...that's good because he now won't see Travis for pretty much the entire season. Could have maybe tried to draft a solid OL prospect to help Lawrence get some time to operate in the pocket, these days you can sign RBs walking the street but he burns a valuable 1st round pick after taking a franchise QB at No 1.
Trevor Lawrence hasn't looked All World at all and it would seem his surrounding cast isn't very good either including perhaps the coaches.
Player discontent bubbling up to the surface:
Some Jaguars players 'aren't thrilled' with Urban Meyer, NFL analyst says
Some Jaguars players 'aren't thrilled' with Urban Meyer, NFL analyst says
Dizzy
Footballguy
That didn't take long.
Not a fan of Urban Meyer, but as an outsider/fan of the NFL, I have to give this rookie coach, with his rookie QB, and trash team at least half a season before jumping on ^this^ bandwagon.
The guys in that locker room however? Different story. They see/hear things we do not. Winning or losing will dictate whether their beef is legit.
I don't know if ALL the blame goes onto Meyers, but I am not fond of... the unnecessary addition of Tebow drama... drafting a RB in round 1 after the season J-Rob had (maybe O-line? there?), and the "gloom 'n' doom" body language on the sidelines Monday night. At least look like you're excited/interested in coaching and fixing things.
Other than that? "Do not panic... all is well"
Maggot Brain
Footballguy
Maggot Brain
Footballguy
Hopefully Trevor Lawrence's talent will shine above all the 
McBokonon
Footballguy
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Faust said:
Apparently the job that Jax started last year of ferreting out the locker room cancers is not yet finished.
Players on 1-15 teams should keep their traps shut, but they can't because entitlement. Do your job.
wgoldsph
Footballguy
Imagine being one of less than a thousand people who are capable of doing what you do and then some ##### comes into your job and starts to treat you like you're in college. How would you feel about that?
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Haven’t they been splitting all of the starter reps between Trevor and Gardner this off-season? Now they ship Gardner away, seems odd.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
I'd take my issues to him face to face, like an adult, and I wouldn't cry like a ##### to talking heads or social media.
trader jake
Footballguy
Desert_Power
Footballguy
wgoldsph
Footballguy
Read the article. "Some players aren't thrilled with him" isn't "crying like a ##### to talking heads or social media." Having an opinion on your workplace is a normal human thing.
Bad take.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
FROM the article. "CBS Sports NFL Analyst Pete Prisco revealed on "The Da Show" Tuesday that he’s heard that some players aren’t fans of the tactics."
Pete Prisco was the talking had I alluded to.
Not a bad take. Not a take at all. Fact.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
Your charactarization of it is a bad take:
- "some players aren't fan of the tactics" is nowhere near crying, let alone "like a #####".
- "He's heard" is and hardly "to talking heads" - he could have "heard" it third hand, he could have overheard someone talking to someone else not even intended for him.
And lastly, there's nothing to even suggest that they didn't talk to Meyer directly.
That's a trifecta bad take right there.
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
If I’m a Jags fan, I like this move. It signals that Lawrence is as advertised, and this clears the way for him to start moving forward with no whispers about the backup when he inevitably struggles.
I’m (sort of) a Charger fan, and as much as I love Herbert, I’d think hard about swapping him for Lawrence if it was on the table. I’m 100% all in on Lawrence.
I’m (sort of) a Charger fan, and as much as I love Herbert, I’d think hard about swapping him for Lawrence if it was on the table. I’m 100% all in on Lawrence.
wgoldsph
Footballguy
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
How you feel about the value they got for Minshew isn’t even the operative issue here, that’s separate—what is really crazy here is that they fully stole half of the key (first NFL offseason) reps Lawrence was every going to get before seeing live action this year, in the name of a fake position battle. Everyone knew Lawrence was going to be the starter unless something catastrophic happened. He needed those reps badly and he’ll never get them back before he has to play with elite NFL defenders bearing down on him. Because that starts immediately now, and he’s only half as prepared by starter’s reps as he could have been. That’s just stupidity…give your damn #1 overall prodigy every single starting snap. Especially when after you showcase the other guy as being in a “real” competition with him all offseason and still only manage to get back a conditional 5th/6th.
If you are an owner, you wouldn’t invest for one year. This is clearly a four year type plan.
Capella
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
This was a disaster from the jump. Somebody needs to have a sort of cool head intervention with this guy. He's going to ruin Trevor Lawrence.
Guys are already mailing it in. I can see it. They just got absolutely bounced by Houston, who may not be as bad as people thought.
Or they played the Jags.
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wgoldsph
Footballguy
Capella
Footballguy
He is just out of his depth. He should be in college beating up on Toledo and some 3 downs and a cloud of dust big 10 school. To me he is the perfect example of a college coach who should just be a college coach. Some of those guys can move up but some should stay at their level where they can be the kings of their kingdom and yell at 19 year olds who don’t have the power to yell back.
rockaction
Footballguy
When I think of that, I think of Spencer Hall, probably the best journalist working the sports beat today.
"6.
After a weekend of college football spread out over no fewer than four major cable networks, consider the economics of what you just watched. The Power 5 conferences average a total of $1.1 billion in revenue annually, earned because live sports is literally the only thing people have cable television for any more. That total of $1.1 billion equals what is, by huge national measures, a relatively small industry, but it's still $1.1 billion. Take in the refusal to pay actual market value for players, and that small industry has the unique privilege of raking in gigantic marginal profits in some places.
Dismiss every single lie about amateurism. If they come cloaked in this kind of horse####, throw them into orbit and hope they die the painful, bloodboiling death they deserve. You are under no duty to respect an argument because it comes in with the faux-innocent naivete of those who have the luxury of arguing from the repose of Platonic principle. Oh, but what if we removed the money from amateur athletics? Close a brothel. Just try it, and see how far that gets you. If someone would like to start a policy argument about a contraband economy with the words, "If we just did what we were supposed to," toss them in the nearest well and seal it. They understand nothing about humanity and will get someone killed sooner rather than later.
The materialist argument here is to point to the giant pile of money on one side, and to the people who earn it on the other. There is no surrender via disengagement, since you quitting the sport as a fan, alum, or even as a booster or donor won't do anything but prolong the artificially extended lifespan of amateurism. There isn't a retreat to a past that never existed, or to an incremental series of slightly less miserable payouts in the form of "cost of attendance" raises.
There is money someone earned over here, visibly earned through labor and special talent. There are people over here who have it. Something stands between them.
To extend that point to its logical conclusion: either what is going on is a vast confusion of what constitutes capital or it is theft from every single football player that plays this stupid game to enrich a coach, athletic director, and the university. This is a system that willfully commits one of the greatest insults possible: making someone poorer, then claiming that poverty as a necessary, virtuous, and good thing.
That's a lie, and anyone who's even been broke for a short time knows it. Pay them. Pay them what you owe them. Pay them because the worst American tradition is taking things that aren't yours and calling it destiny or virtue or principle. Pay them because there is no nobility in keeping someone a dollar poorer than they have to be in exchange for honest work. Pay them because any system that deliberately makes people poorer is one of designed cruelty, even at this relatively small scale. Pay them their ####### money."
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