Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
This is why we need to get Joe to buy us a ProZone subscription or something. A simple little on-ball, off-ball position map that I could just direct post in the thread... Oh, wait.
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El Floppo
Footballguy
I guess I'd need to watch again with eyes more trained on this, particularly Wood staying wide. I totally agree about Zusi linking up with Bradley and Beckerman... which goes towards your point.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
gianmarco said:
El Floppo said:
I'm thinking of a famous blonde haired striker at Stuttgart who might be a better example.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
Cunningham, Fraser, Wolff and Frankie are on the hall of fame ballot this year.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
Frankie is not as much of a stretch as you might first think.
Played in 2 Olympics and 2 World Cups (only player to do that during that time period)
85 caps and was a key member of the 2002 run to the quarter finals. He started 4 of the 5 games and only missed the 5th because of yellow card accumulation and he started at a position he rarely played before at LB (gee what a shock, a hole at LB).
He is a 2 time MLS Cup winner for Columbus(important player) and LA(limited role player) and also played in Europe for a spell in Germany starting 10 games to end the 98-99 season to help Leverkusen reach the Champions League of which he played 5 games in the following season.
I don't know if it is enough to get in but no one is more liked in the soccer community than Frankie is who is the absolute epitome of a guy who got every last ounce of out what little talent he had.
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NewlyRetired
Footballguy
All hail Frankie! He combined Zardoz touch with Landon's fitness to create a rather unique player in US history
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfMYYWe88v0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfMYYWe88v0
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
good memory. This article just came out today
The Fittest Major League Soccer Players of All Time
And yes, good old Frankie is the first player listed
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Sebowski
Footballguy
I got some new chants from last night.
ZusiZusiZusi! Oi! Oi! Oi! ZusiZusiZusi! Oi! Oi! Oi! Zusi! Oi! Zusi! Oi! ZusiZusiZusi! Oi! Oi! Oi!
You know that one that goes like: USAAAAAAAAAAAAA, USAAAAAAAA USA!USA!blahblahUSA!
So tha melody with: Garbage Goooooooooal, Garbage Goooooooooal Altidore! Altidore! JozyAltidore!!!!
Also every time Zardes didn't get to the ball I had fun yelling: Come on man, you gotta work zardes than that! That one cracked me up every time.
I tried to sing Sister Christian when Pullisic came on, but turns out no one knows the words.
ZusiZusiZusi! Oi! Oi! Oi! ZusiZusiZusi! Oi! Oi! Oi! Zusi! Oi! Zusi! Oi! ZusiZusiZusi! Oi! Oi! Oi!
You know that one that goes like: USAAAAAAAAAAAAA, USAAAAAAAA USA!USA!blahblahUSA!
So tha melody with: Garbage Goooooooooal, Garbage Goooooooooal Altidore! Altidore! JozyAltidore!!!!
Also every time Zardes didn't get to the ball I had fun yelling: Come on man, you gotta work zardes than that! That one cracked me up every time.
I tried to sing Sister Christian when Pullisic came on, but turns out no one knows the words.
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
Trying not to read too much into the U-23s performance, but ### #### this country struggles to produce defenders.
Sebowski
Footballguy
Come on! That Zusi one is good! The whole bar caught on right away. I didn't even tell you my Zardes song. He works Zardes for the money! So Zardes for it honeeeeeeey. He works Zardes for the money and you know he'll treat you right!
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Clint Mathis must have been #11.good memory. This article just came out today
The Fittest Major League Soccer Players of All Time
And yes, good old Frankie is the first player listed
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
I'd have gone with some classic Eddie Murphy. "My girl wants to Zardes all the time, Zardes all the time, Zardes all the time."
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
I'm still fighting a losing battle to get "Whole Lotta Jozy" off the ground.
Rustoleum
Footballguy
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
Other songs that will never catch on.
"I love it when we're Guzan together."
"You turned me on then you turned me out. You dropped Birnbaum on me."
"Mix, don't go away mad. Mix, just go away."
"I love it when we're Guzan together."
"You turned me on then you turned me out. You dropped Birnbaum on me."
"Mix, don't go away mad. Mix, just go away."
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
Oh Mikey, you're so bald.
You're so bald you'll blind us all
Hey, Mikey!
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
"I saw Lee Nguyen, on a jet plane!"
El Floppo
Footballguy
Dum dee duh dat duh do, dee do duh dat duh do, dum dee duh dat duh do.... Caillou
Oh Mikey, you're so bald.
You're so bald you'll blind us all
Hey, Mikey!
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
It's been posted in a separate thread, but worth mentioning that the USWNT has filed an EEOC lawsuit against US Soccer alleging unfair compensation. Should be interesting to see what comes of it. I think the attorney involved is the same guy who was involved in one of the NCAA cases, either the Northwestern case or the O'Bannon case...not sure.
Sammy3469
Footballguy
Kessler is THE sports labor attorney. Brought FA to the NFL and is just generally suing the NCAA as a cartel saying players should be paid (I'm not sure where that case stands).
Hausfeld is the other guy you are thinking of. He did O'Bannon and is suing UNC, etc. Kessler is more a pure labor relations, union guy while Hausfeld is a plaintiff layer.
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
Kessler did the Northwestern case, I looked it up. Maybe that's different from the NCAA as a cartel thing you've referenced?
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Sammy3469
Footballguy
Northwestern is/was different (at least initially...maybe they got rolled up), but he also sued the NCAA and the 5 power conferences in 2014. Like I said I don't know where that stands.
roadkill1292
Footballguy
Kessler's case is working its way through the system. Because the NCAA is throwing everything in its arsenal at preventing this one from getting heard, it probably won't get to a courtroom until 2018 or 2019.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
Is Kessler the same guy who was the lead for Brady in deflategate?
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Is this true? The women's team generates more $$?
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
It is true over a single year since it was a WC cup year for the women which is their peak. Over the most recent 4 year cycle the men still draw more (60m vs 50m).
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
The Northwestern case was before the NLRB. The Northwestern football players tried to form a union. The local NLRB accepted them as "employees." The national board overturned that ruling.
Kessler has a great resume although its interesting to see him claim he "successfully represented the NFLPA" in ending the 2011 lockout. Kessler lost (the first) Brady v. NFL at the 8th Circuit. In addition to sports/labor law, Kessler is a very successful antitrust litigator. Along with McNeil v. NFL (the ruling establishing free agency) his most important win was probably Zenith v. Matu####a, which set a pretty high bar for proving a horizontal conspiracy to fix prices and pretty much destroyed the "predatory pricing" theory.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
But still... that's effectively even. If that includes sponsorships and etc it's ridiculous they aren't being paid more.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
Agreed. They have a good case. Check the thread dedicated to this topic, I listed some observations you might find interesting.
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
They have compelling facts, but I don't think its a good case. As you mention in the other thread, this is effectively leverage for their next turn at the bargaining table for a CBA. But I don't see how they have a wage discrimination case for compensation that was collectively bargained for in the first place.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
Agreed, I worded that poorly.
Hopefully this really is about leverage and not a full blown suit that might do irreparable harm to all parties in US Soccer. I would like to see them get a fair CBA and drop this case but things are never smooth in US Soccer worlds.
It is a shame that JK's salary is likely guaranteed. They could just fire him and spread his money around
The Z Machine
Footballguy
The USWNT might still be more profitable than the USMNT simply due to remuneration of employees even if their revenues are lower.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
The massive difference in pay between the two head coaches probably makes this true.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
From Soccer America
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Olympic debacle proves Klinsmann shouldn't be in charge
Coach Andi Herzog failed to qualify the U.S. U-23 men’s national team for the 2016 Olympic Games.
It’s not the first time the Austrian has failed to qualify a team for a major tournament.
His first head-coaching job came in 2009 with Austria’s U-21s, who didn’t make it to the 2011 U-21 European Championship.
Herzog, Austria’s most capped player, started his coaching career as Austria’s assistant coach, a position he held for two years before taking over the U-21s. Their campaign to qualify for the 2013 U-21 European Championship under Herzog started with five points from five games – dooming them again in qualification.
So how did a man with such a meager coaching resume from a soccer minnow nation end up coaching the U.S. team that desperately needed to qualify for the 2016 Olympics after having failed four years earlier?
That, of course, is a ridiculously rhetorical question because you already know the answer: Jurgen Klinsmann.
Herzog was hired in 2011 by his former Bayern Munich teammate as assistant coach for the national team.
“I’ve been connected with Klinsmann for years with a close friendship and enter my new role with great confidence,” said Herzog upon his 2011 hiring.
Klinsmann has made no secret of the fact that he turned down the U.S. coaching job in 2006 and 2010 because the U.S. Soccer Federation didn’t meet his demands of control far beyond coaching the national team. In 2011, Klinsmann was finally satisfied with the USSF’s offer. And in December 2013, he got a four-year contract extension at some $3 million a year and the added role of Technical Director -- even more power over American soccer.
In July 2014, Herzog got a four-year contract renewal, and Klinsmann put him in charge of the Olympic campaign.
On Tuesday, we saw how that turned out. Herzog’s team melted down in a 2-1 loss to Colombia in Texas, with two players red-carded – and it could have easily been four.
A disgraceful performance from the players, but how can one expect disciplined players from an undisciplined coach? Herzog himself was ejected during the USA’s loss to Honduras last October in Utah in the game the USA should have won to clinch an Olympic berth on its own turf in its own region.
But Herzog failed. And failed again against Colombia.
The Federation has allowed Klinsmann to hire whomever he wants, which has included minor league German coach Matthias Hamann and Klinsmann’s former Germany coach Berti Vogts, an admirable man in many respects, but unsuccessful with all four of the national teams he coached outside of Germany.
In the Herzog case, the German press reported it as Klinsmann hiring his “kumpel” -- his buddy.
If you’re paid a hell of a lot of money to be in charge of a major organization, and you hire a buddy for a very important job at a high salary, and it doesn’t work out, you’ve lost a whole lot of credibility.
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Olympic debacle proves Klinsmann shouldn't be in charge
Coach Andi Herzog failed to qualify the U.S. U-23 men’s national team for the 2016 Olympic Games.
It’s not the first time the Austrian has failed to qualify a team for a major tournament.
His first head-coaching job came in 2009 with Austria’s U-21s, who didn’t make it to the 2011 U-21 European Championship.
Herzog, Austria’s most capped player, started his coaching career as Austria’s assistant coach, a position he held for two years before taking over the U-21s. Their campaign to qualify for the 2013 U-21 European Championship under Herzog started with five points from five games – dooming them again in qualification.
So how did a man with such a meager coaching resume from a soccer minnow nation end up coaching the U.S. team that desperately needed to qualify for the 2016 Olympics after having failed four years earlier?
That, of course, is a ridiculously rhetorical question because you already know the answer: Jurgen Klinsmann.
Herzog was hired in 2011 by his former Bayern Munich teammate as assistant coach for the national team.
“I’ve been connected with Klinsmann for years with a close friendship and enter my new role with great confidence,” said Herzog upon his 2011 hiring.
Klinsmann has made no secret of the fact that he turned down the U.S. coaching job in 2006 and 2010 because the U.S. Soccer Federation didn’t meet his demands of control far beyond coaching the national team. In 2011, Klinsmann was finally satisfied with the USSF’s offer. And in December 2013, he got a four-year contract extension at some $3 million a year and the added role of Technical Director -- even more power over American soccer.
In July 2014, Herzog got a four-year contract renewal, and Klinsmann put him in charge of the Olympic campaign.
On Tuesday, we saw how that turned out. Herzog’s team melted down in a 2-1 loss to Colombia in Texas, with two players red-carded – and it could have easily been four.
A disgraceful performance from the players, but how can one expect disciplined players from an undisciplined coach? Herzog himself was ejected during the USA’s loss to Honduras last October in Utah in the game the USA should have won to clinch an Olympic berth on its own turf in its own region.
But Herzog failed. And failed again against Colombia.
The Federation has allowed Klinsmann to hire whomever he wants, which has included minor league German coach Matthias Hamann and Klinsmann’s former Germany coach Berti Vogts, an admirable man in many respects, but unsuccessful with all four of the national teams he coached outside of Germany.
In the Herzog case, the German press reported it as Klinsmann hiring his “kumpel” -- his buddy.
If you’re paid a hell of a lot of money to be in charge of a major organization, and you hire a buddy for a very important job at a high salary, and it doesn’t work out, you’ve lost a whole lot of credibility.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
This Kessler guy has been involved with soccer before.
He was part of the legal team that sued MLS over single entity way back when and I believe he has recently representated the NASL in their suit to become a 1st division league.
Basically it sounds like if it sports related this guy is some how involved.
He was part of the legal team that sued MLS over single entity way back when and I believe he has recently representated the NASL in their suit to become a 1st division league.
Basically it sounds like if it sports related this guy is some how involved.
roadkill1292
Footballguy
If you're in sports ownership or administration (as opposed to talent), he is the guy you have nightmares about. Big fan.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
Here is the upcoming schedule including some newly added pre Copa friendlies
May 25th: Ecuador in Frisco, TX (Friendly)
May 28th: Bolivia in Kansas City, KS (Friendly)
June 3rd: Colombia in Santa Clara, CA (Copa America)
June 7th: Costa Rica in Chicago, IL (Copa America)
June 11th: Paraguay in Philadelphia, PA (Copa America)
September 2nd: St. Vincent and the Grenadines in St Vincent (World Cup Qualifying)
September 6th: Trinidad and Tobago in Jacksonville, FL (World Cup Qualifying)
October 3rd - 11th: Window for friendlies
November 7th - 15th: Opening 2 hex matches.
May 25th: Ecuador in Frisco, TX (Friendly)
May 28th: Bolivia in Kansas City, KS (Friendly)
June 3rd: Colombia in Santa Clara, CA (Copa America)
June 7th: Costa Rica in Chicago, IL (Copa America)
June 11th: Paraguay in Philadelphia, PA (Copa America)
September 2nd: St. Vincent and the Grenadines in St Vincent (World Cup Qualifying)
September 6th: Trinidad and Tobago in Jacksonville, FL (World Cup Qualifying)
October 3rd - 11th: Window for friendlies
November 7th - 15th: Opening 2 hex matches.
TripItUp
Footballguy
berndog
Footballguy
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
might not be a good sign. When I laid out the high level schedule for the full cycle a while back, I included a trip to the Confederations Cup ( oops )
