manufacturers are liable for defects and malfunctions - not for people using the items wronglyThe entire reason for The Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act was so gun manufacturers aren't held accountable for their actions like manufacturers of all other products are.
but you'd blame me, the gun owner, 1,000 miles away that has no connection to Florida or that school ..... yeah, that makes senseThere's a lot of blame to go around, but unlike you I would never blame the school.
I will - because doing nothing to increase school safety is a big flashing sign saying " SHOOT HERE NEXT, SHOOTERS WILL NOT FACE RESISTANCE"Not wanting schools to be like a prisons is a very accurate description of my position. Feel free to post that about me as much as possible.
I have a daughter. Her school now has locked entrances and active shooter drills several times a year. I find it ####ed up that my kid and others need to practice not getting gunned down at school every couple of months because our "leaders" are afraid of actually initiating laws to help prevent this ####.Not wanting schools to be like a prisons is a very accurate description of my position. Feel free to post that about me as much as possible.and he doesn't want to improve safety in schools at all because it would make them "prisons"
They aren't unless he's paying for it. If you want to pay for an armed guard to follow your kid around, go for it?how do you feel about Obama's girls being protected by men with guns ? all day, 24-7-365 ?
had nothing to do with what I asked but I'll playHow do you feel about the fact that if you or a loved one has been diagnosed with Mesothelioma you may to be entitled to financial compensation?
How's a stun gun going to help against an AR-15?I don't think I'm on board with teachers carrying guns at schools, but I'd absolutely be ok with non-lethal weapons like stun guns being locked up in specially trained teacher's desks or in the office.
I don't know, better than a pencil?How's a stun gun going to help against an AR-15?
Is the sharpener manual or electric?I don't know, better than a pencil?
The NRA deserves blame. If you've financially supported them, then you own the blame too.but you'd blame me, the gun owner, 1,000 miles away that has no connection to Florida or that school ..... yeah, that makes sense
I'm curious - do you think NO places in the United States should be protected with firearms?I have a daughter. Her school now has locked entrances and active shooter drills several times a year. I find it ####ed up that my kid and others need to practice not getting gunned down at school every couple of months because our "leaders" are afraid of actually initiating laws to help prevent this ####.
Manual of course. Schools don't have money for those fancy electric types.Is the sharpener manual or electric?
you think a stun gun locked in a desk stops an active shooter ?I don't think I'm on board with teachers carrying guns at schools, but I'd absolutely be ok with non-lethal weapons like stun guns being locked up in specially trained teacher's desks or in the office.
Do you genuinely believe this is significantly different than supporting an organization who does everything it possibly can to keep manufacturers and individuals from being held accountable for their actions?Please everyone, make sure you understand Politician Spock doesn't want anyone held to personal accountability for their actions
really ? why ?I wouldn't want these armed people at my children's school personally.
Yeah. Might as well throw my stapler at the shooter.How's a stun gun going to help against an AR-15?
I'm going with a stun gun over a blunt pencil then.Manual of course. Schools don't have money for those fancy electric types.
That's none of you or the Federal Government's business.you think a stun gun locked in a desk stops an active shooter ?
have you ever shot guns ?
manufacturers shoudln't be liable for people using their items wrong - that's just a factDo you genuinely believe this is significantly different than supporting an organization who does everything it possibly can to keep manufacturers and individuals from being held accountable for their actions?
You have a stapler? Damn, public school is getting fancy.Yeah. Might as well throw my stapler at the shooter.
"It's FUN!!!"So let's send 50M children to prison on a daily basis so that people can play with things that go bang. Makes sense.
As I thought....you just blindly write your check. You've been asking the positions of the NRA a LOT in this thread. I don't even know how that's possible. It's completely irresponsible IMO.the NRA ... are you saying they do't want individuals held accountable ?
its appalling to me that train of thought - his choice, he chose, he needs the death penalty next week IMO
manufacturers shoudln't be liable for people using their items wrong - that's just a fact
We understand your opinion on this, but your country, which you've stated often that you love so much, disagrees with your opinion. Manufactures get sued and lose when the plaintiff shows the misuse was reasonably foreseeable misuse.manufacturers shoudln't be liable for people using their items wrong - that's just a fact
Harley from Suicide Squad mightAnyone going to kill 17 people with a bat?
That would really hurtYeah. Might as well throw my stapler at the shooter.
Sorry, I thought we were looking for solutions.you think a stun gun locked in a desk stops an active shooter ?
have you ever shot guns ?
Yup, up for it. I addressed that part in fact. If they lie about owning a gun, and the agents come in and find one, boom, arrested.Several or maybe most of these shooters didn’t own the guns used.
Also, there are many people who possess unregistered/illegally owned guns. So, we’ll have to go door to door, regardless of whether the household legally owners a gun, to see if anyone there is crazy, and whether any guns are in the Home, legal or not.
You up for that?
All suits of this kind are treated on a case by case basis, so it's not black and white. But in that set of circumstances, the defendant is pretty much screwed. Which is why the NRA got the law passed.Is it even misuse when the device is literally designed to kill things?
It is when the justification for having expanded magazines in semi-auto rifles is "target practice" and "deer hunting."Is it even misuse when the device is literally designed to kill things?
Is this right? The background check is just a questionnaire? What happens with the questionnaire?
I didn't realize lying is a crime. Also, I'm no expert on the background checks required to purchase a gun, but if they are like any other background check that I've been subject to it goes beyond a questionnaire. If it's just a series of yes/no questions and he correctly filled out the bubbles to walk away with an assault rifle then we have a major problem with our background checks, but unfortunately you and your fellow terrorists oppose stronger background checks.
Two of them even. ballinYou have a stapler? Damn, public school is getting fancy.
"A series of specific comparisons of the death rates from property crime and assault in New York City and London show how enormous differences in death risk can be explained even while general patterns are similar," they explain. "A preference for crimes of personal force and the willingness and ability to use guns in robbery make similar levels of property crime fifty-four times as deadly in New York City as in London."
My guess is Stealthycat thinks property crimes in the U.S. would be much higher if it weren't for all the good guys with guns being a deterrent.What do the gun goons think of this? https://www.vox.com/2015/8/27/9217163/america-guns-europe
"A New Yorker is just as likely to be robbed as a Londoner, for instance, but the New Yorker is 54 times more likely to be killed in the process."
It's illegal for any state or federal agency to keep a registry of guns tied to the owner. Everyone's gun is unregistered in the broader sense.Several or maybe most of these shooters didn’t own the guns used.
Also, there are many people who possess unregistered/illegally owned guns. So, we’ll have to go door to door, regardless of whether the household legally owners a gun, to see if anyone there is crazy, and whether any guns are in the Home, legal or not.
You up for that?
I appreciate the question. Unfortunately, I am not currently aware of the specifics in the CA rules, but do believe them to be stricter than most states.It's illegal for any state or federal agency to keep a registry of guns tied to the owner. Everyone's gun is unregistered in the broader sense.
If you're in Sacramento (as your registration info in the forum suggests), are you okay with the rules California has being made federal? The version of "registration" you guys have there?
I admit a taser for all teachers IS better than nothing. I agree with the added safety measure, lets do it.Sorry, I thought we were looking for solutions.
Many people carry an unpowered .380 for self defense based on its ability to be concealed. They are more comfortable be underpowered than having no weapon at all. I can probably make a very strong argument that a taser is a better self defense weapon than the .380 and at least give someone a chance of stopping a shooter.
Deal. It would also allow time to collect data on their use, or misuse, to use to substantiate the use of more power weapons.I admit a taser for all teachers IS better than nothing. I agree with the added safety measure, lets do it.
The NRA’s world.The fact that people immediately jump in to try and say guns aren't the problem after every shooting makes me embarrassed to be an American. Its astounding that people can make those claims with a straight face. Its even worse that people immediately scoff at outlawing guns completely, but then say arming teachers is a more reasonable and realistic reaction. In what world does that make any sense?
You know what would be nice? If the federal government could actually use computers to track guns that have been used in crimes.It's illegal for any state or federal agency to keep a registry of guns tied to the owner. Everyone's gun is unregistered in the broader sense.
If you're in Sacramento (as your registration info in the forum suggests), are you okay with the rules California has being made federal? The version of "registration" you guys have there?
WORST IDEA EVERI admit a taser for all teachers IS better than nothing. I agree with the added safety measure, lets do it.
Come on man. I asked you a very simple question. You answer mine and I’ll be glad to answer yours.If it was armed guards at ever entrance, no more school shootings .... would you be willing to help get that done?