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[David Yudkin]

Since it is something you have to purchase (and a decent read), I won't post all their fantasy rankings. But here are some of the more interesting ones.

Delhomme QB3

McNabb QB13

Palmer QB16

Rudi RB5

Edge RB6

Portis RB8

Martin RB15

D-Jax WR18

Winslow TE10

Watson not in Top 15 (currently projected at #6 by FBG)

 

[mad sweeney]

Since it is something you have to purchase (and a decent read), I won't post all their fantasy rankings. But here are some of the more interesting ones.

Delhomme QB3

McNabb QB13

Palmer QB16

Rudi RB5

Edge RB6

Portis RB8

Martin RB15

D-Jax WR18

Winslow TE10

Watson not in Top 15 (currently projected at #6 by FBG)

Where does he have Hass and Burleson to knock DJ down? I've never been high on McNabb except the first season with TO. The RBs don't look too off to me, swap Portis and Rudi. Having sick WRs and maybe some momentum could give AZ a running attack like they've never had. New unis, stadium and coach kick started the Seahawks...

KII, it's a crapshoot. Gotta put him somewhere.

 

[jurb26]

Delhomme QB3 - Way too high IMO, then again there really are not any stand outs who should be here. I think there is a mess of about 10 guys that could be here.

McNabb QB13 - Too low, but it is clear that he is reacting to the loss of TO.

Palmer QB16 - Probably isn't sold on the recovery.

Rudi RB5 - Great spot for him IMO and not too far off from where I rank him, RB6.

Edge RB6 - Risky,very risky this high.

Portis RB8 - Too low and I'd love to hear the rational behind this pick.

Martin RB15 - Yikes!

D-Jax WR18 - Way low, this guy is more than likely top 10 when healthy... top 15 for sure.

Winslow TE10 - Not a surprise. Nice to see he doesn't suffer from the chronic short term memeory loss that most FFers have. Winslow would have been ranked higher than this is rookie year had he not thrown away the season.

Watson not in Top 15 (currently projected at #6 by FBG) - I agree with USA Today on this one. NE has far too many TEs and weapons for any of their TEs to deserver a top 10 rank. Watson only ranked as TE15 last year with Graham, Fauria, Branch and Givens as other option. Now he will have to contend with Graham, Thomas, Mills, Jackson and Branch. I'll pass on the Watson koolaid even though I think he could be a great player if ever featured enough.

 

[David Yudkin]

Where does he have Hass and Burleson to knock DJ down?

I've never been high on McNabb except the first season with TO. The RBs don't look too off to me, swap Portis and Rudi. Having sick WRs and maybe some momentum could give AZ a running attack like they've never had. New unis, stadium and coach kick started the Seahawks...

KII, it's a crapshoot. Gotta put him somewhere.

Hasselbeck at QB4. they don't list their entire rankings, so only Top 20 WR (of which Buleson is not one). No Stevens in the Top 15 TE either (#7 in FBG projections). SA still #1 RB.

 

[mad sweeney]

Where does he have Hass and Burleson to knock DJ down?

I've never been high on McNabb except the first season with TO. The RBs don't look too off to me, swap Portis and Rudi. Having sick WRs and maybe some momentum could give AZ a running attack like they've never had. New unis, stadium and coach kick started the Seahawks...

KII, it's a crapshoot. Gotta put him somewhere.

Hasselbeck at QB4. they don't list their entire rankings, so only Top 20 WR (of which Buleson is not one). No Stevens in the Top 15 TE either (#7 in FBG projections). SA still #1 RB.

Makes little sense to have DJ at 18 with Hass at 4 and no Nate or Stevens in there. How's Matt make #4 that way?Stevens is too low. SB mistakes aside, he's finally pulled himself out of the bust category with his play last year and I see him a staple in the top 10.

Who's QB2, Brady? I understand giving Jake props, I've always felt he was underrated, but to put him ahead of Hass is just silly with the returning O he has. Top 5 is a stretch for the hick.

ETA: Thanks for the reply

 

[aposulli]

Delhomme QB3

 

[Snot Bubbler]

Where does he have Hass and Burleson to knock DJ down? 

I've never been high on McNabb except the first season with TO.  The RBs don't look too off to me, swap Portis and Rudi.  Having sick WRs and maybe some momentum could give AZ a running attack like they've never had.  New unis, stadium and coach kick started the Seahawks...

KII, it's a crapshoot.  Gotta put him somewhere.

Hasselbeck at QB4. they don't list their entire rankings, so only Top 20 WR (of which Buleson is not one). No Stevens in the Top 15 TE either (#7 in FBG projections). SA still #1 RB.

Makes little sense to have DJ at 18 with Hass at 4 and no Nate or Stevens in there. How's Matt make #4 that way?Stevens is too low. SB mistakes aside, he's finally pulled himself out of the bust category with his play last year and I see him a staple in the top 10.

Who's QB2, Brady? I understand giving Jake props, I've always felt he was underrated, but to put him ahead of Hass is just silly with the returning O he has. Top 5 is a stretch for the hick.

ETA: Thanks for the reply

The FBG Expert Consensus Rankings currently have Fitzgerald at #3WR, Boldin at #8WR, and Warner at #16QB. This makes no sense at all to me.

 

[Big Score]

The FBG Expert Consensus Rankings currently have Fitzgerald at #3WR, Boldin at #8WR, and Warner at #16QB. This makes no sense at all to me.

Possibly they don't project Warner to play a full 16 game schedule?

 

[LHUCKS]

The FBG Expert Consensus Rankings currently have Fitzgerald at #3WR, Boldin at #8WR, and Warner at #16QB.  This makes no sense at all to me.

Possibly they don't project Warner to play a full 16 game schedule?

Exactly.

 

[psychobillies]

The FBG Expert Consensus Rankings currently have Fitzgerald at #3WR, Boldin at #8WR, and Warner at #16QB.  This makes no sense at all to me.

Possibly they don't project Warner to play a full 16 game schedule?

Exactly.

Reminds me of a few years back when Hines Ward and Plaxico Burress ranked top ten and Tommy Maddox did not. There are several scenarios, including injury, that could make these rankings accurate.

 

[AnonymousBob]

Two years ago Delhomme finished as the #7 qb. His rb isn't exactly the most durable of guys and his wr's are far from mediocre.

 

[nygiants56]

any chance you have last year's rankings from USA Today? just to see how accurate their predictions have been in the past.

 

[diesel7982]

Damnit...who gave matt Pitzer a public forum again?

Didnt we learn our lessons from his work at TSN?

 

[diesel7982]

Delhomme QB3 - Way too high IMO, then again there really are not any stand outs who should be here. I think there is a mess of about 10 guys that could be here.

McNabb QB13 - Too low, but it is clear that he is reacting to the loss of TO.

Palmer QB16 - Probably isn't sold on the recovery.

Rudi RB5 - Great spot for him IMO and not too far off from where I rank him, RB6.

Edge RB6 - Risky,very risky this high.

Portis RB8 - Too low and I'd love to hear the rational behind this pick.

Martin RB15 - Yikes!

D-Jax WR18 - Way low, this guy is more than likely top 10 when healthy... top 15 for sure.

Winslow TE10 - Not a surprise. Nice to see he doesn't suffer from the chronic short term memeory loss that most FFers have. Winslow would have been ranked higher than this is rookie year had he not thrown away the season.

Watson not in Top 15 (currently projected at #6 by FBG) - I agree with USA Today on this one. NE has far too many TEs and weapons for any of their TEs to deserver a top 10 rank. Watson only ranked as TE15 last year with Graham, Fauria, Branch and Givens as other option. Now he will have to contend with Graham, Thomas, Mills, Jackson and Branch. I'll pass on the Watson koolaid even though I think he could be a great player if ever featured enough.

This doesnt make any sense. You are saying that Givens + Fauria < Jackson + Mills + Thomas?

Mills and Thomas will be lucky to see the field this year as the #3TE/#2H-B

 

[David Yudkin]

any chance you have last year's rankings from USA Today? just to see how accurate their predictions have been in the past.

2005 Rankings from the same publicationQB

1 PManning

2 Culpepper

3 McNabb

4 Collins

5 Green

6 Favre

7 Hasselbeck

8 Brady

9 Bulger

10 Palmer

11 Vick

12 Brees

13 Plummer

14 Delhomme

15 Warner

16 Brooks

17 Leftwich

18 McNair

19 Carr

20 Griese

RB

1 LT

2 SA

3 McGahee

4 Priest

5 Green

6 Dillon

7 Rudi

8 JJones

9 Lewis

10 Edge

11 Portis

12 Martin

13 KJones

14 Westbrook

15 Barber

16 Caddy

17 Deuce

18 Davis

19 Jordan

20 Benson

WR

1 RMoss

2 TO

3 Harrison

4 Walker

5 CJohnson

6 Holt

7 Horn

8 Wayne

9 Mason

10 Burleson

11 Muhammad

12 D-Jax

13 Bennett

14 AJohnson

15 Clayton, TB

16 SSmith

17 Williams

18 Fitzgerald

19 Ward

20 Porter

TE

1 Gates

2 Gonzo

3 Witten

4 Crumpler

5 Heap

6 Johnson

7 Shockey

8 Franks

9 McMichael

10 Clark

 

[zamboni]

RB

1 LT

2 SA

3 McGahee

4 Priest

5 Green

6 Dillon

7 Rudi

8 JJones

9 Lewis

10 Edge

11 Portis

12 Martin

13 KJones

14 Westbrook

15 Barber

16 Caddy

17 Deuce

18 Davis

19 Jordan

20 Benson

Hindsight is 20/20 and you can't account for injuries, but outside of LT, SA, Rudi and a couple of others - yikes.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

Edge RB6 - Risky,very risky this high.

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Don't mean to pick on you, as you're definately not the first to post it, but why is 6 too high for Edge? He's a proven back, plenty of weapons, decent QB (and backup QB), average line and a good pass catcher so he'll always be in the game. I think RB 6-8 is perfect for him, but what do I know.

 

[jurb26]

Edge RB6 - Risky,very risky this high.

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Don't mean to pick on you, as you're definately not the first to post it, but why is 6 too high for Edge? He's a proven back, plenty of weapons, decent QB (and backup QB), average line and a good pass catcher so he'll always be in the game. I think RB 6-8 is perfect for him, but what do I know.

Saying Arz has an average line is being nice. Very nice. That is why.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

Edge RB6 - Risky,very risky this high.

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Don't mean to pick on you, as you're definately not the first to post it, but why is 6 too high for Edge? He's a proven back, plenty of weapons, decent QB (and backup QB), average line and a good pass catcher so he'll always be in the game. I think RB 6-8 is perfect for him, but what do I know.

Saying Arz has an average line is being nice. Very nice. That is why.

No worse run blockers than the dreck in INDY. Seems like all they know is how to pass protect.

 

[jurb26]

Delhomme QB3 - Way too high IMO, then again there really are not any stand outs who should be here. I think there is a mess of about 10 guys that could be here.

McNabb QB13 - Too low, but it is clear that he is reacting to the loss of TO.

Palmer QB16 - Probably isn't sold on the recovery.

Rudi RB5 - Great spot for him IMO and not too far off from where I rank him, RB6.

Edge RB6 - Risky,very risky this high.

Portis RB8 - Too low and I'd love to hear the rational behind this pick.

Martin RB15 - Yikes!

D-Jax WR18 - Way low, this guy is more than likely top 10 when healthy... top 15 for sure.

Winslow TE10 - Not a surprise. Nice to see he doesn't suffer from the chronic short term memeory loss that most FFers have. Winslow would have been ranked higher than this is rookie year had he not thrown away the season.

Watson not in Top 15 (currently projected at #6 by FBG) - I agree with USA Today on this one. NE has far too many TEs and weapons for any of their TEs to deserver a top 10 rank. Watson only ranked as TE15 last year with Graham, Fauria, Branch and Givens as other option. Now he will have to contend with Graham, Thomas, Mills, Jackson and Branch. I'll pass on the Watson koolaid even though I think he could be a great player if ever featured enough.

This doesnt make any sense. You are saying that Givens + Fauria < Jackson + Mills + Thomas?

Mills and Thomas will be lucky to see the field this year as the #3TE/#2H-B

I see every one of those guys as an upgrade and Graham should be back healthy. If you disagree then so be it. I in no way see how his sitauation has improved though. The fact that NE spent 3 of it's 1st 4 draft picks on pass catchers is very worrysome for the guys already in place there IMO. I say this and I own Branch. With all these options and what seems to be a huge stable of good FF TE's, Watson breaking the top 10 seems extremly optimistic to me. Top 15, maybe.

 

[zamboni]

Edge RB6 - Risky,very risky this high.

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Don't mean to pick on you, as you're definately not the first to post it, but why is 6 too high for Edge? He's a proven back, plenty of weapons, decent QB (and backup QB), average line and a good pass catcher so he'll always be in the game. I think RB 6-8 is perfect for him, but what do I know.

Saying Arz has an average line is being nice. Very nice. That is why.

Edge will probably get 350+ carries, plus a fair amount of catches out of the backfield. If he stays healthy, that alone should get him in the top 5-7.

 

[jurb26]

Edge RB6 - Risky,very risky this high.

.

Don't mean to pick on you, as you're definately not the first to post it, but why is 6 too high for Edge? He's a proven back, plenty of weapons, decent QB (and backup QB), average line and a good pass catcher so he'll always be in the game. I think RB 6-8 is perfect for him, but what do I know.

Saying Arz has an average line is being nice. Very nice. That is why.

No worse run blockers than the dreck in INDY. Seems like all they know is how to pass protect.

I disagree, Indy has a much better Line IMO. Not only that, but far better QB play which helps keep 8 men out of the box far more often.

 

[David Yudkin]

Edge RB6 - Risky,very risky this high.

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Don't mean to pick on you, as you're definately not the first to post it, but why is 6 too high for Edge? He's a proven back, plenty of weapons, decent QB (and backup QB), average line and a good pass catcher so he'll always be in the game. I think RB 6-8 is perfect for him, but what do I know.

Saying Arz has an average line is being nice. Very nice. That is why.

No worse run blockers than the dreck in INDY. Seems like all they know is how to pass protect.

ARI ranked dead last in rushing yards, ypc, and rushing TD last year. IND ranked 16, 24, 7 in the same categories.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

Edge RB6 - Risky,very risky this high.

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Don't mean to pick on you, as you're definately not the first to post it, but why is 6 too high for Edge? He's a proven back, plenty of weapons, decent QB (and backup QB), average line and a good pass catcher so he'll always be in the game. I think RB 6-8 is perfect for him, but what do I know.

Saying Arz has an average line is being nice. Very nice. That is why.

No worse run blockers than the dreck in INDY. Seems like all they know is how to pass protect.

I disagree, Indy has a much better Line IMO. Not only that, but far better QB play which helps keep 8 men out of the box far more often.

If you think they can keep 8 men in the box against those two beast WR's that ARZ throws out I think you're nuts. Warner is a big step down from Manning, no arguement. But I'd argue that, at this point in their career, Fitz and Boldin are better weapons than Harrison and Wayne (who is way over-rated).

 

[Deranged Hermit]

Edge RB6 - Risky,very risky this high.

.

Don't mean to pick on you, as you're definately not the first to post it, but why is 6 too high for Edge? He's a proven back, plenty of weapons, decent QB (and backup QB), average line and a good pass catcher so he'll always be in the game. I think RB 6-8 is perfect for him, but what do I know.

Saying Arz has an average line is being nice. Very nice. That is why.

No worse run blockers than the dreck in INDY. Seems like all they know is how to pass protect.

ARI ranked dead last in rushing yards, ypc, and rushing TD last year. IND ranked 16, 24, 7 in the same categories.

Uh, refresh my memory, who was the RB's in ARI last year (rethorical question)? It damn sure wasn't Edge. We'll see how things change this year with Rhodes and Addai in the back field for Indy. He succeeded despite that line, not because of it.*note* I don't own James in any leagues. I just think the hate against him is pretty irrational.

 

[jurb26]

Edge RB6 - Risky,very risky this high.

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Don't mean to pick on you, as you're definately not the first to post it, but why is 6 too high for Edge? He's a proven back, plenty of weapons, decent QB (and backup QB), average line and a good pass catcher so he'll always be in the game. I think RB 6-8 is perfect for him, but what do I know.

Saying Arz has an average line is being nice. Very nice. That is why.

No worse run blockers than the dreck in INDY. Seems like all they know is how to pass protect.

I disagree, Indy has a much better Line IMO. Not only that, but far better QB play which helps keep 8 men out of the box far more often.

If you think they can keep 8 men in the box against those two beast WR's that ARZ throws out I think you're nuts. Warner is a big step down from Manning, no arguement. But I'd argue that, at this point in their career, Fitz and Boldin are better weapons than Harrison and Wayne (who is way over-rated).

The talent of the WRs are basically irrelivant. Are you telling me that the Arz passing attack as a whole is more dangerous than that of Indy's? What do you think DC's in the NFL would say? Indy's passing attack is better in virtually every way possible. Better QB play, better Oline protection, better chemistry and timing and a near push as far as weapons go. It really isn't even a comparison at this point in time IMO. Indy has the most effect passing game in the NFL. Arz has some very talented and yound WRs. Rather vast difference. Lets compare last years numbers:Arz:

|---------- PASSING -----------||----- RUSHING -----|  TOTAL               CMP  ATT   YD    YPA   TD INT  ATT   YD    YPA  TD     YD                 419  670  4723   7.05  21  21  360  1138  3.16   2   5861NFL rank --->   1    1    1     12   12  27   32   32    32   32      7

Indy:

|---------- PASSING -----------||----- RUSHING -----|  TOTAL               CMP  ATT   YD    YPA   TD INT  ATT   YD    YPA  TD     YD                 349  517  4191   8.11  31  11  465  1703  3.66  18   5894NFL rank --->   7   15    4      2    2   5   13   16    24    7      5

 

[David Yudkin]

Edge RB6 - Risky,very risky this high.

.

Don't mean to pick on you, as you're definately not the first to post it, but why is 6 too high for Edge? He's a proven back, plenty of weapons, decent QB (and backup QB), average line and a good pass catcher so he'll always be in the game. I think RB 6-8 is perfect for him, but what do I know.

Saying Arz has an average line is being nice. Very nice. That is why.

No worse run blockers than the dreck in INDY. Seems like all they know is how to pass protect.

I disagree, Indy has a much better Line IMO. Not only that, but far better QB play which helps keep 8 men out of the box far more often.

If you think they can keep 8 men in the box against those two beast WR's that ARZ throws out I think you're nuts. Warner is a big step down from Manning, no arguement. But I'd argue that, at this point in their career, Fitz and Boldin are better weapons than Harrison and Wayne (who is way over-rated).

IMO, the run pass ratio is going to change in ARI, as I don't see how they will throw 670 passes with Edge on the roster. Something is going to have to give, as Edge, Fitz, and Boldin will not be able to put up their 2005 numbers playing in the same lineup together. The Colts had 52 more passes than rushes. The Cardinals had 310 more passes than rushes.

 

[jurb26]

Uh, refresh my memory, who was the RB's in ARI last year (rethorical question)? It damn sure wasn't Edge. We'll see how things change this year with Rhodes and Addai in the back field for Indy. He succeeded despite that line, not because of it.

*note* I don't own James in any leagues. I just think the hate against him is pretty irrational.

Edge is a great RB and I was one of the people around here that clearly said it was a mistake for Indy to let him go. I think your man love for him is going a bit too far though. Edge was in a near perfect system for his skill set as a football player in Indy. It's rare that teams and players find situations in which the gel so well. Arz is w/o question a step down for his odds to land in the top 5-8 while other RBs have had things to improve their odds IMO.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

Edge RB6 - Risky,very risky this high.

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Don't mean to pick on you, as you're definately not the first to post it, but why is 6 too high for Edge? He's a proven back, plenty of weapons, decent QB (and backup QB), average line and a good pass catcher so he'll always be in the game. I think RB 6-8 is perfect for him, but what do I know.

Saying Arz has an average line is being nice. Very nice. That is why.

No worse run blockers than the dreck in INDY. Seems like all they know is how to pass protect.

I disagree, Indy has a much better Line IMO. Not only that, but far better QB play which helps keep 8 men out of the box far more often.

If you think they can keep 8 men in the box against those two beast WR's that ARZ throws out I think you're nuts. Warner is a big step down from Manning, no arguement. But I'd argue that, at this point in their career, Fitz and Boldin are better weapons than Harrison and Wayne (who is way over-rated).

The talent of the WRs are basically irrelivant. Are you telling me that the Arz passing attack as a whole is more dangerous than that of Indy's? What do you think DC's in the NFL would say? Indy's passing attack is better in virtually every way possible. Better QB play, better Oline protection, better chemistry and timing and a near push as far as weapons go. It really isn't even a comparison at this point in time IMO. Indy has the most effect passing game in the NFL. Arz has some very talented and yound WRs. Rather vast difference. Lets compare last years numbers:Arz:

|---------- PASSING -----------||----- RUSHING -----|  TOTAL              CMP  ATT   YD    YPA   TD INT  ATT   YD    YPA  TD     YD                419  670  4723   7.05  21  21  360  1138  3.16   2   5861NFL rank --->   1    1    1     12   12  27   32   32    32   32      7Indy:

|---------- PASSING -----------||----- RUSHING -----|  TOTAL               CMP  ATT   YD    YPA   TD INT  ATT   YD    YPA  TD     YD                 349  517  4191   8.11  31  11  465  1703  3.66  18   5894NFL rank --->   7   15    4      2    2   5   13   16    24    7      5

When did I say ARI had a better passing attack than INDY? I said they had better weapons, but a worse QB (which you essentially agreed with). I'll take Edge, Fitz and Boldin over Addai/Rhodes, Harrison and Wayne and day of the week.The issue here is how much better you think they'll run with Edge back there instead of the dreck that was playing RB last year. I think you can safely add 400 yards to ARI rushing total from last year without too much of a strech. The real question will be his TD output.

 

[jurb26]

IMO, the run pass ratio is going to change in ARI, as I don't see how they will throw 670 passes with Edge on the roster. Something is going to have to give, as Edge, Fitz, and Boldin will not be able to put up their 2005 numbers playing in the same lineup together. The Colts had 52 more passes than rushes. The Cardinals had 310 more passes than rushes.

Yup, right on David. People seem to be forgetting that Arz lead the NFL in passing attempts last year and did so by 49 attempts. Something is going to have to give in this O as not all of Fitz, Boldin and Edge can have as much "pie" as they did last year. My bet is that all see a drop off, but Edge sees the largest.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

Uh, refresh my memory, who was the RB's in ARI last year (rethorical question)? It damn sure wasn't Edge. We'll see how things change this year with Rhodes and Addai in the back field for Indy. He succeeded despite that line, not because of it.

*note* I don't own James in any leagues. I just think the hate against him is pretty irrational.

Edge is a great RB and I was one of the people around here that clearly said it was a mistake for Indy to let him go. I think your man love for him is going a bit too far though. Edge was in a near perfect system for his skill set as a football player in Indy. It's rare that teams and players find situations in which the gel so well. Arz is w/o question a step down for his odds to land in the top 5-8 while other RBs have had things to improve their odds IMO.

Not man-love, I just only see Johnson, LT, Alexander, Portis and Tiki as clearly being ahead of him. I think he's tier two, but barely.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

IMO, the run pass ratio is going to change in ARI, as I don't see how they will throw 670 passes with Edge on the roster.  Something is going to have to give, as Edge, Fitz, and Boldin will not be able to put up their 2005 numbers playing in the same lineup together.  The Colts had 52 more passes than rushes.  The Cardinals had 310 more passes than rushes.

Yup, right on David. People seem to be forgetting that Arz lead the NFL in passing attempts last year and did so by 49 attempts. Something is going to have to give in this O as not all of Fitz, Boldin and Edge can have as much "pie" as they did last year. My bet is that all see a drop off, but Edge sees the largest.

We see things differently than. I think edge sees a dropoff in rushing yards and an increase in recieving (Warner will dump off to the RB more than Manning). TD's are a mystery I'll grant you. Still though, they're hard to predict anyway.

 

[David Yudkin]

IMO, the run pass ratio is going to change in ARI, as I don't see how they will throw 670 passes with Edge on the roster.  Something is going to have to give, as Edge, Fitz, and Boldin will not be able to put up their 2005 numbers playing in the same lineup together.  The Colts had 52 more passes than rushes.  The Cardinals had 310 more passes than rushes.

Yup, right on David. People seem to be forgetting that Arz lead the NFL in passing attempts last year and did so by 49 attempts. Something is going to have to give in this O as not all of Fitz, Boldin and Edge can have as much "pie" as they did last year. My bet is that all see a drop off, but Edge sees the largest.

We see things differently than. I think edge sees a dropoff in rushing yards and an increase in recieving (Warner will dump off to the RB more than Manning). TD's are a mystery I'll grant you. Still though, they're hard to predict anyway.

I have two concerns for Edge. ITEM 1: heavy workload. Edge had over 400 touches last year. History has not been kind to RB coming off 400 touch seasons. You are welcome to read an article I wrote that will appear in several weeks on the subject, but I'll skip to the end. RB with 400+ touches in Year X had an average ranking of 3.6 in Year X but an average ranking of 15.3 in Year X + 1.ITEM 2: Fantasy production level. As I see it, Edge will see fewer touches, will be less productive per touch, and will also see fewer TD opportunities. For his sake, maybe I will be wrong on all those. As far as fantasy goes, he could slip a few spots in the rankings, but that could result in a HUGE dropoff in fantasy scoring. Using last season's final rankings, if Edge dropped from 5th to say 9th, he would have lost 60-65 fantasy points (25% of his production). That's a lot IMO.

 

[Kit Fisto]

Jake Delhomme is a vastly underrated fantasy QB. I can see him putting up Top 5 fantasy numbers, but 3 may be a little high. He is absolutely a Top 10 fantasy QB.

Given the variables in fantasy football that the NFL doesn't score... such as bonus points for rushing TDs, yardage bonuses, length of TD points, interceptions resulting in negative points, etc.... I can (and did) see Delhomme outperform many much sexier and trendier names.

Jake = value

 

[AnonymousBob]

Jake Delhomme is a vastly underrated fantasy QB. I can see him putting up Top 5 fantasy numbers, but 3 may be a little high. He is absolutely a Top 10 fantasy QB.

Given the variables in fantasy football that the NFL doesn't score... such as bonus points for rushing TDs, yardage bonuses, length of TD points, interceptions resulting in negative points, etc.... I can (and did) see Delhomme outperform many much sexier and trendier names.

Jake = value

How on earth is Jake a "lock" for the top ten? While I think it's possible, I think it's a very long ways from a "lock". He finished #12 last year with virtually no running game. You think they will run the ball more or less this season?

 

[Gopher State]

Edge has been a great RB, BUT AZ O-line has been very much less then average, I don't see a large improvement this year in the AZ line.

Edge will be inside the top 15, but not by alot.

 

[BoltBacker]

IMO, the run pass ratio is going to change in ARI, as I don't see how they will throw 670 passes with Edge on the roster. Something is going to have to give, as Edge, Fitz, and Boldin will not be able to put up their 2005 numbers playing in the same lineup together. The Colts had 52 more passes than rushes. The Cardinals had 310 more passes than rushes.

Not sure if I agree there.With all the comparisons between Indy/Arz I didn't notice anyone mention the SLIGHT difference in the quality of their defenses. That's was the reason for the unbalanced passing/running attack and I don't really see ARZ's defense as improved all that much this year. Their FA $ was spend on Edge and they didn't draft a defensive player until round #4. Sure, a healthy Berry will certainly help but he's not young and coming off a signifigant injury.

He's going from a team that played in the lead almost the entire season last year to a team that will be in the lead very little this season. Even if you believe the talent in this offense is similar to that in IND(and I certainly don't) you would have to think his rushing attempts are going to go down.

 

[David Yudkin]

IMO, the run pass ratio is going to change in ARI, as I don't see how they will throw 670 passes with Edge on the roster.  Something is going to have to give, as Edge, Fitz, and Boldin will not be able to put up their 2005 numbers playing in the same lineup together.  The Colts had 52 more passes than rushes.  The Cardinals had 310 more passes than rushes.

Not sure if I agree there.With all the comparisons between Indy/Arz I didn't notice anyone mention the SLIGHT difference in the quality of their defenses. That's was the reason for the unbalanced passing/running attack and I don't really see ARZ's defense as improved all that much this year. Their FA $ was spend on Edge and they didn't draft a defensive player until round #4. Sure, a healthy Berry will certainly help but he's not young and coming off a signifigant injury.

He's going from a team that played in the lead almost the entire season last year to a team that will be in the lead very little this season. Even if you believe the talent in this offense is similar to that in IND(and I certainly don't) you would have to think his rushing attempts are going to go down.

ARI had only 297 carries by RB last year. You don't see them getting more with James in the backfield?

 

[BoltBacker]

IMO, the run pass ratio is going to change in ARI, as I don't see how they will throw 670 passes with Edge on the roster. Something is going to have to give, as Edge, Fitz, and Boldin will not be able to put up their 2005 numbers playing in the same lineup together. The Colts had 52 more passes than rushes. The Cardinals had 310 more passes than rushes.

Not sure if I agree there.With all the comparisons between Indy/Arz I didn't notice anyone mention the SLIGHT difference in the quality of their defenses. That's was the reason for the unbalanced passing/running attack and I don't really see ARZ's defense as improved all that much this year. Their FA $ was spend on Edge and they didn't draft a defensive player until round #4. Sure, a healthy Berry will certainly help but he's not young and coming off a signifigant injury.

He's going from a team that played in the lead almost the entire season last year to a team that will be in the lead very little this season. Even if you believe the talent in this offense is similar to that in IND(and I certainly don't) you would have to think his rushing attempts are going to go down.

ARI had only 297 carries by RB last year. You don't see them getting more with James in the backfield?

Maybe some, not a lot. I think the reasons they had 297 carries is they were behind often(and will be this season) and their offense OL wasn't very good. Haven't seen much to make me think either of those sitations have changed all that much this season.Is James>Shipp/Arrinton? Yes.

Is ARZ '06 > ARZ '05? No, I'm not sold on that. I'm never going to have high expectations for a team with any combination of a terrible defense, well below average OL and spotty QB play. They have the hat-trick.

 

[higgins]

Damnit...who gave matt Pitzer a public forum again?

Didnt we learn our lessons from his work at TSN?

 

[David Yudkin]

IMO, the run pass ratio is going to change in ARI, as I don't see how they will throw 670 passes with Edge on the roster.  Something is going to have to give, as Edge, Fitz, and Boldin will not be able to put up their 2005 numbers playing in the same lineup together.  The Colts had 52 more passes than rushes.  The Cardinals had 310 more passes than rushes.

Not sure if I agree there.With all the comparisons between Indy/Arz I didn't notice anyone mention the SLIGHT difference in the quality of their defenses. That's was the reason for the unbalanced passing/running attack and I don't really see ARZ's defense as improved all that much this year. Their FA $ was spend on Edge and they didn't draft a defensive player until round #4. Sure, a healthy Berry will certainly help but he's not young and coming off a signifigant injury.

He's going from a team that played in the lead almost the entire season last year to a team that will be in the lead very little this season. Even if you believe the talent in this offense is similar to that in IND(and I certainly don't) you would have to think his rushing attempts are going to go down.

ARI had only 297 carries by RB last year. You don't see them getting more with James in the backfield?

Maybe some, not a lot. I think the reasons they had 297 carries is they were behind often(and will be this season) and their offense OL wasn't very good. Haven't seen much to make me think either of those sitations have changed all that much this season.Is James>Shipp/Arrinton? Yes.

Is ARZ '06 > ARZ '05? No, I'm not sold on that. I'm never going to have high expectations for a team with any combination of a terrible defense, well below average OL and spotty QB play. They have the hat-trick.

Maybe the 3.1 team ypc had something to do with ARI passing a lot. The 04 Cardinals had 115 more rushing attempts (and almost 140 fewer passing attempts) than the 05 version did. When you flat out cannot run the ball, you have no choice but to pass.Over the years, Green's teams have an average ranking of 18th in rushing attempts and 11th in passing attempts. I agree that the 06 team looks to be strong through the air, but I still think they will make much more of an effort to run the ball. If Edge doesn't help, then the team is in worse shape than we thought. They did get some OL help in signing Milford Brown from HOU and drafting Deuce Latui. Leonard Pope might also be more physical at TE. So they are at least making some effort to help the line, although how much better it will be is debatable.