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Evilgrin 72
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Jarrett? Me either. Sad to say, but a 4.4 likely makes him a top 10-15 pick, while a 4.7 drops him at least into round 2. My guess is somewhere in the mid 4.5s, which means he ends up in a category with Ginn, Bowe, Meachem, and Rice in the "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" group.
Mr. Peterson
Footballguy
What was Boldin's 40 time comming out of college? Wasn't that one of the reasons he fell so far in the draft?
Chunky Soup
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EBF
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For every Boldin, there are a dozen guys who run slow and never amount to squat. I still like Jarrett. A lot of people compare him to Mike Williams, but I think he's a lot closer to Keyshawn. I expect him to be a pretty good player if he keeps his head on straight.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I agree yet disagree.Superfast 40 times are overrated. Slow 40 times for skill positions are generally not.
LHUCKS
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Anquan Boldin
Andy Dufresne
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There are exceptions to every rule. And he wasn't consistently slow, I don't think.Anquan Boldin
EBF
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I think it's important to recognize that 40 times don't always provide an accurate picture of game speed. Bernard Berrian plays extremely fast, but was only a 4.5 guy at the combine. Chad Johnson and Antonio Bryant were 4.6 guys. Johnnie Lee Higgins is considered one of the fastest WRs from this crop. He ran a 4.5. Running out of a track stance with track spikes and running routes with pads and football cleats on are two very different things. What's important is whether or not a guy plays fast. Jarrett doesn't play all that fast, but I think his speed is adequate.
Andy Dufresne
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pgreenfan
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Santa Fe Trail
Footballguy
First report from SC - 37" vertical...10'4" broad jump. The jump numbers are official and the first whisper on the 40 is a 4.62 but stay tuned to see if that's accurate.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
= first rounder
EBF
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Borderline. If I were advising teams, I'd say don't take him before the 9th pick in the 2nd round.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Borderline. If I were advising teams, I'd say don't take him before the 9th pick in the 2nd round.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
In other words, I'd like him to be a Viking. Just not at 1.07.Can you picture the Vikings faithful if the team selected Adrian Peterson in the 1st and Jarrett in the 2nd. I would so totally wet myself.Borderline. If I were advising teams, I'd say don't take him before the 9th pick in the 2nd round.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
That's a big broad jump too, isn't it?
LHUCKS
Footballguy
If Jarrett falls to the 2nd i'll wet myself, but for a different reason, shock.
phthalatemagic
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a) That's a 1985 4.6, not a 2007 4.6.b) Just because you cited two WRs that have overcome what could be slow 40 times doesn't dispute anyone's claim that it is more difficult that slower WRs make it in the NFL, just that it isn't impossible.Lelie = 4.3Jerry Rice = 4.6
Santa Fe Trail
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Pulled from a different site than my orginal post but the numbers are about the same.
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a) That's a 1985 4.6, not a 2007 4.6.b) Just because you cited two WRs that have overcome what could be slow 40 times doesn't dispute anyone's claim that it is more difficult that slower WRs make it in the NFL, just that it isn't impossible.Lelie = 4.3Jerry Rice = 4.6
We have come a long way in 20 years. Comparing speed from different eras is pointless. I don't think in 1985 LB's where running 4.37's. University of Mississippi LB Patrick Willis, at 6-1, 237 pounds, ran the 40-yard dash in 4.37 and 4.38. He also had a 4.37 short shuttle and 7.10 three-cone drill at Ole Miss Pro Day. He stood on his numbers from the Combine for the rest. Willis ran a 4.49 in the 40-yard dash at last month's combine.
LHUCKS
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Agreed.You get S. Rice, I get Jarret.
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Andy Dufresne
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Nope, sorry. That is NOT fast enough to keep him/move him into the first.
LHUCKS
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Then he'll be a steal in the 2nd...I still think he goes in the first.
bigreese82
Footballguy
What were Colston's other numbers in comparison to Jarrett's numbers? .06 in the short shuttle is a rather large differance
Santa Fe Trail
Footballguy
Here ya go from NFLDraftscout:Marques Colston 6'4.5" 224...4.50 forty...37' vert...10'3 broad...4.44 shuttle...6.96 3 coneMike Williams 6'5 229...4.58 forty...38.5" vert...10'3 broad...4.23 shuttle...6.95 3 cone
phthalatemagic
Footballguy
LOL.... no deal!
If you think Jarrett is going to be a good one, I 100% agree with you. I just think the method you defended him (like the kid needs defending, he's fantastic) wasn't water tight. Instead just sit back and enjoy people downtalking him becuase he may not have a great timed speed and snap him up late. Then laugh on the way to the bank at your leisure.
LHUCKS
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Never said it was...just providing some food for thought.
Mr. Peterson
Footballguy
I personally think it would be much better if the Bills were able to steal one of them in the 2nd round at 2.11.
DeCleater
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So USC's LB is faster than USC's WR. Who would have thought that?Here are times according to an NFL scout in attendancewayne Jarrett: 4.62Oscar Lua: 4.85Chris McFoy: 4.67Ryan Powdrell: 4.90Dallas Sartz: 4.58
Blackjacks
Footballguy
I don't think Jarrett makes it past KC in the 1st round.
Boldin was also recovering from an injury - he ran a 4.55 before the injury.There are exceptions to every rule. And he wasn't consistently slow, I don't think.Anquan Boldin
CJax was also pumped up last season after his freakish time - too much weight put into these things. If you want to argue that he won't be succesful due to his difficulty handling press coverage, fine - but a 40 time? I can't begin to agree unless you're running 4.75+
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Gandalf
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Exactly. Jarrett is fast enough to be productive in the NFL. Plus, he seemed to have good game speed to me. One example of this is how he consistently toasted the Michigan secondary last year. He might have trouble getting off the line of scrimmage in the pro's, but I'd be willing to bet he'll learn that.
I'm not sure if you are just trashing BMW, or comparing Colston to Jarrett.If the comparison to Jarrett - I don't know that it's justified considering that he hired a conditioning coach last year and noticeably added some "game speed" to his game (as seen in the second half of last year). Whoever gets this kid may end up getting a steal just because of the "average" 40 time.
NorrisB
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Dwayne Jarrett 6-4, 214..4.65avg..36½ vert....10'1 broad..4.20 shuttle...7.28 3 cone
Mike Williams 6'5 240...4.58 forty...38.5" vert...10'3 broad...4.23 shuttle...6.95 3 cone
Marques Colston 6'4.5" 224...4.50 forty...37' vert...10'3 broad...4.44 shuttle...6.96 3 cone
Mike Williams 6'5 240...4.58 forty...38.5" vert...10'3 broad...4.23 shuttle...6.95 3 cone
Marques Colston 6'4.5" 224...4.50 forty...37' vert...10'3 broad...4.44 shuttle...6.96 3 cone
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Holy Schneikes
Footballguy
I mentioned in the other "40 time" post, that you just don't see slow guys as elite receivers in the NFL. You just don't.
I'ts not that blazing speed guarantees anything, it's just that if you don't have enough speed, it seems like you just have trouble being a truly elite receiver these days.
Yeah, Boldin ran a slow 40 at the combine. So did Chad Johnson. And in both cases it caused them to slip (and made some teams look really silly). But that isn't really what we are talking about here. Johnson is a VERY fast guy. It is fairly obvious. In an interview before the combine, he was talking up his speed as a primary assett and many other evaluaters listed his speed as an assett. Boldin ran a 4.5 at his pro day I think, so he's not exactly a turtle either (to complement other talents that are somewhat unique).
Jarrett knew this was an issue. You can bet that he was as prepared to run this 40 under ideal conditions (USC very fast conditions) as anyone can be. And he he pulled between a 4.6 and a 4.7. He's just not that fast.
He could certainly be a complimentary receiver in the NFL, but for fantasy purposes, I will be avoiding him based on his speed.
Here are the top 20 yardage guys from last year. Find me a guy as slow as Jarrett on this list:
CJ (very fast)
Harrison (silly fast)
Roy W (yikes fast)
Wayne (fast)
Driver (very fast)
Evans (bullet)
Boldin (fast enough)
Holt (very fast)
Owens (fast enough - slow 40 time, but a fast guy)
St. Smith (another bullet)
Andre Johnson (very fast)
Bruce (fast)
Coles (fast)
Furrey (don't honestly know)
Walker (fast/very fast)
Housh (fast)
Galloway (silly fast even now)
Glenn (very fast)
Colston (decent speed)
Burress (moderately fast - not a burner, but faster than Jarrett)
Most of these guys have truly elite speed, and the ones that don't have DECENT speed and are spectacular in other areas.
I'ts not that blazing speed guarantees anything, it's just that if you don't have enough speed, it seems like you just have trouble being a truly elite receiver these days.
Yeah, Boldin ran a slow 40 at the combine. So did Chad Johnson. And in both cases it caused them to slip (and made some teams look really silly). But that isn't really what we are talking about here. Johnson is a VERY fast guy. It is fairly obvious. In an interview before the combine, he was talking up his speed as a primary assett and many other evaluaters listed his speed as an assett. Boldin ran a 4.5 at his pro day I think, so he's not exactly a turtle either (to complement other talents that are somewhat unique).
Jarrett knew this was an issue. You can bet that he was as prepared to run this 40 under ideal conditions (USC very fast conditions) as anyone can be. And he he pulled between a 4.6 and a 4.7. He's just not that fast.
He could certainly be a complimentary receiver in the NFL, but for fantasy purposes, I will be avoiding him based on his speed.
Here are the top 20 yardage guys from last year. Find me a guy as slow as Jarrett on this list:
CJ (very fast)
Harrison (silly fast)
Roy W (yikes fast)
Wayne (fast)
Driver (very fast)
Evans (bullet)
Boldin (fast enough)
Holt (very fast)
Owens (fast enough - slow 40 time, but a fast guy)
St. Smith (another bullet)
Andre Johnson (very fast)
Bruce (fast)
Coles (fast)
Furrey (don't honestly know)
Walker (fast/very fast)
Housh (fast)
Galloway (silly fast even now)
Glenn (very fast)
Colston (decent speed)
Burress (moderately fast - not a burner, but faster than Jarrett)
Most of these guys have truly elite speed, and the ones that don't have DECENT speed and are spectacular in other areas.
Titus Pullo
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Chunky Soup
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Filled in above. No link = nfl.com, ? = questionable source.
