Using RB's From Same Team (1 Viewer)

[TartanLion]

I'm sure this has been covered repeatedly over the years, but I had a search and couldn't find much. With the increase in RBBC is it becoming more viable to start two RBs from the same team and hoover up the overall production of a running based team ? Are you more limiting the ceiling of what your overall points total can be, or securing and raising the floor ?

Anybody with any experience of doing this ?

I find myself being tempted to do this because of major running back troubles, and the fact that I now own all three of Crowell, Tate and West. With a heavy hitting WR/TE core in place, and no real RB1 at present, the solidity of relying on at least 2/3's of the Browns good running game is becoming appealing.

I'd imagine the same at this point could maybe be possible for.....

Jackson/Spiller

Charles/Davis

Bernard/Hill ( maybe not as Bernard has been a true feature back and Hill has been limited )

Asiata/McKinnon

Richardson/Bradshaw

This could also apply to using one in an RB slot and one in the flex spot where applicable.

 

[mquinnjr]

I have Bush and Bell in a keeper league, and would not hesitate to start them both in the event of bye weeks/injuries to my other RB's. Granted, of course, that they themselves are both healthy.

 

[zamboni]

I would also only use them if necessary due to injuries/bye weeks, and not by design.

Problem is if the team's offense stalls, that's two spots in which you're going to get minimal value. And unless you know you're always going to get a close-to-equal split in touches, you run the risk of wasting one starting spot.

 

[Juzaba]

Also depends on the defense. I'd start Gore and Hyde vs Atl, for example.

 

[zamboni]

Also depends on the defense. I'd start Gore and Hyde vs Atl, for example.

Matchups often can be fool's gold. Look at the Saints supposedly great matchup against the Cowboys on Sunday night.

 

[ldizzle]

Also depends on the defense. I'd start Gore and Hyde vs Atl, for example.

Matchups often can be fool's gold. Look at the Saints supposedly great matchup against the Cowboys on Sunday night.

i dunno the CIN vs NE matchup looks tasty to start both Gio and Hill

 

[Football Menace]

Also depends on the defense. I'd start Gore and Hyde vs Atl, for example.

Matchups often can be fool's gold. Look at the Saints supposedly great matchup against the Cowboys on Sunday night.

Commitment to the running game has to also factor in. The Saints aren't committed to the run. Last night I started both Charles and Davis because I had a lead and needed the safe points and not the explosion. The unknown of Charles coming back off injury was a risk I couldn't take. With them both in I figured I was safe no matter the injury or game situation.

 

[Dark Matter]

I started Shady/Sproles together, against Washington after they both scored double digits against Indy. Won't likely do that again unless injuries or byes force me into it.

 

[ericttspikes]

Also depends on the defense. I'd start Gore and Hyde vs Atl, for example.

Matchups often can be fool's gold. Look at the Saints supposedly great matchup against the Cowboys on Sunday night.

i dunno the CIN vs NE matchup looks tasty to start both Gio and Hill

I'm contemplating that one as well. If Cincy rolls, could be a lot of Hill in the second half. Still not sure I feel good about starting a RB who only averages 8 carries a game though, but I like the player.

 

[Adam Harstad]

I have Bush and Bell in a keeper league, and would not hesitate to start them both in the event of bye weeks/injuries to my other RB's. Granted, of course, that they themselves are both healthy.

I drafted Bush and Bell in several leagues with the intention of starting both on a weekly basis.

I even mentioned at one point this offseason that, provided it was a PPR league and the draft fell just right, I'd be completely fine drafting Reggie Bush, Joique Bell, Pierre Thomas, Khiry Robinson, Mark Ingram, and no one else. That would just be my RB corps for the season.

 

[Gvindy]

I have Bush and Bell in a keeper league, and would not hesitate to start them both in the event of bye weeks/injuries to my other RB's. Granted, of course, that they themselves are both healthy.

I drafted Bush and Bell in several leagues with the intention of starting both on a weekly basis.

I even mentioned at one point this offseason that, provided it was a PPR league and the draft fell just right, I'd be completely fine drafting Reggie Bush, Joique Bell, Pierre Thomas, Khiry Robinson, Mark Ingram, and no one else. That would just be my RB corps for the season.

Good thing you didn't

 

[Van Dyman]

I'd like to hear the math guys weigh in on this.

FBG had an article a few years back that examined how different same-team player combinations (eg. QB+RB, QB+WR, or WR+RB) affect the consistency of your fantasy team's scoring. I don't think it had RB+RB.

I would guess that RB+RB combinations create a lower ceiling and a higher floor, making it more attractive in games where you are the favorite and less attractive in games where you're the underdog.

RBBC is the new normal, so I'd like to see FBG run the numbers like they did with the other combinations. Or maybe they have already and I just can't find it.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Oakland is a wasteland.

 

[Gvindy]

I'd like to hear the math guys weigh in on this.

FBG had an article a few years back that examined how different same-team player combinations (eg. QB+RB, QB+WR, or WR+RB) affect the consistency of your fantasy team's scoring. I don't think it had RB+RB.

I would guess that RB+RB combinations create a lower ceiling and a higher floor, making it more attractive in games where you are the favorite and less attractive in games where you're the underdog.

RBBC is the new normal, so I'd like to see FBG run the numbers like they did with the other combinations. Or maybe they have already and I just can't find it.

Good mention on the favorite/underdog point. The 2 KC vs OAK matchups look juicy for JC and KD. Denver is bad against the run as well.

 

[Ever Present Lurker]

I did it back in the day with Priest and LJ

 

[Adam Harstad]

I have Bush and Bell in a keeper league, and would not hesitate to start them both in the event of bye weeks/injuries to my other RB's. Granted, of course, that they themselves are both healthy.

I drafted Bush and Bell in several leagues with the intention of starting both on a weekly basis.

I even mentioned at one point this offseason that, provided it was a PPR league and the draft fell just right, I'd be completely fine drafting Reggie Bush, Joique Bell, Pierre Thomas, Khiry Robinson, Mark Ingram, and no one else. That would just be my RB corps for the season.

Good thing you didn't

Why? Bush, Joique, Pierre, and Ingram all rank in the top 32 in PPR leagues. Dodds has Bush as RB17, Bell as RB22, and Thomas/Ingram as RB28/29 in his top 200 forward. And I'd bet on Ingram outperforming that, at the very least. Their preseason ADP was RB16, RB26, RB30, and RB44. The point was never "drafting all the Detroit and New Orleans RBs will give you the best RB corps in the league!", it was always "drafting all the Detroit and New Orleans RBs will give you a very solid RB corps at a discount".

Drafting all of the RBs wouldn't have been a home run, (although there's still time left), but it's looking like a solid line-drive single for a team that grabbed WRs/TEs in the first two rounds.

 

[TartanLion]

As a Lions fan, Bush and Bell would never have been a tandem that I would have included in the initial post, as they simply don't really run the ball enough in my mind to warrant rolling out both in the same game. I personally avoided drafting any of our backfield. Too many questions what with the new coaching, the almost even split of of Bush/Bell being general knowledge, the propensity to throw a lot and also the positive reports about Riddick.

I think the more important point about owning both of them is, that if one is injured, then you know you have an RB that is gonna get a healthy dose of carries on a good offence. I guess thats true about any of the tandems listed above though.

 

[Adam Harstad]

As a Lions fan, Bush and Bell would never have been a tandem that I would have included in the initial post, as they simply don't really run the ball enough in my mind to warrant rolling out both in the same game. I personally avoided drafting any of our backfield. Too many questions what with the new coaching, the almost even split of of Bush/Bell being general knowledge, the propensity to throw a lot and also the positive reports about Riddick.

I think the more important point about owning both of them is, that if one is injured, then you know you have an RB that is gonna get a healthy dose of carries on a good offence. I guess thats true about any of the tandems listed above though.

The key caveat for me is that it's a move I'd only try in PPR leagues. Detroit was installing that New Orleans offense, and that offense regularly funnelled 180 targets a year to the RBs. That's the same offense that had two backs top 70 receptions last year. New Orleans' fantasy production was always a bit diffused because they preferred a two-headed committee, but I never viewed Theo Riddick as a viable threat, so I figured Detroit would be splitting that production two ways instead of three. And that production is huge- I do not exaggerate when I say that New Orleans has, since Sean Payton arrived, produced more PPR points for its RBs than any other offensive system has in NFL history.

Through four games, Detroit has thrown 41 passes to its RBs, which is a 164-target pace. It's a bit below what I was expecting, but still quite high, and a rate that could easily tick up over the last 12 games. It hasn't manifested completely into fantasy points partly because Joique has been uncharacteristically unproductive with his targets- just a 56% catch rate. If he'd caught three more of those targets for, say, 24 more yards, then suddenly Joique would be the #22 RB in PPR leagues right now (along with Bush at #18).

I still think both backs are top-24 options going forward in PPR leagues, and I'll gladly continue to start both in leagues where I got them as a cheap combo.

 

[TartanLion]

Very good point about PPR and RB receptions

 

[rick6668]

I'm doing this in a 16 team league starting Spiller and Jackson.

Mainly because my other options aren't any better, Chris Johnson, Khiry Robinson and Knile Davis.

Not sure if this is optimal, but I got tired of starting trying to choose which one to start.