Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums
This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!
Value wide recievers (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter section 8
- Start date
Musesboy
Footballguy
There are plenty of candidates and it depends what you mean by undervalued.
Ignoring guys like Harrison and Holt who I feel will outproduce their ADP, here are some cheaper possibilities:
Eric Parker - finished well last year
Amani Toomer - Manning still has room to improve
Michael Clayton - played hurt last year and has performed well in the past
Jenkins/White - whichever gets the lions share if Vick learns how to pass
Eric Moulds - could see a lot of targets as teams cover Johnson
Engram/Burleson - especially if Jackson misses any time
Joe Jurevicius - especially if Edwards isn't ready
Ferguson - Favre can't throw every pass to Driver
Brandon Stokley - maybe more emphasis on the passing game with Edge gone
Wilford/Jones/Williams - whoever emerges as the main target
K Robinson/Williamson - Burleson has gone and someone will step up
Derrick Mason - TD numbers stopped him being top 15 last year
Mark Clayton - strong finish
Muhsin Muhammad - better QB situation
Antonio Bryant - if Smith starts to improve
Isaac Bruce - always undervalued because of his age
Givens/Bennett - as long as Young isn't starting
Laveranues Coles - they might not use a 4th string QB this year
Reggie Brown - the Eagles love to pass
Rod Smith - will go later and produce better than Walker
Ignoring guys like Harrison and Holt who I feel will outproduce their ADP, here are some cheaper possibilities:
Eric Parker - finished well last year
Amani Toomer - Manning still has room to improve
Michael Clayton - played hurt last year and has performed well in the past
Jenkins/White - whichever gets the lions share if Vick learns how to pass
Eric Moulds - could see a lot of targets as teams cover Johnson
Engram/Burleson - especially if Jackson misses any time
Joe Jurevicius - especially if Edwards isn't ready
Ferguson - Favre can't throw every pass to Driver
Brandon Stokley - maybe more emphasis on the passing game with Edge gone
Wilford/Jones/Williams - whoever emerges as the main target
K Robinson/Williamson - Burleson has gone and someone will step up
Derrick Mason - TD numbers stopped him being top 15 last year
Mark Clayton - strong finish
Muhsin Muhammad - better QB situation
Antonio Bryant - if Smith starts to improve
Isaac Bruce - always undervalued because of his age
Givens/Bennett - as long as Young isn't starting
Laveranues Coles - they might not use a 4th string QB this year
Reggie Brown - the Eagles love to pass
Rod Smith - will go later and produce better than Walker
Last edited by a moderator:
houndirish
Footballguy
I think you can add Andre Johnson to the Texans list. Moulds presence has gotta help his chances. I simply can't see Johnson playing as poorly as he did a year ago.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Here are my three:
Koren Robinson
Mark Clayton
Braylon Edwards
Braylon Edwards obviously has the injury concern so he's further down on my list, but I think that Clayton and Robinson both could put up nice numbers. If McNair ends up with the Ravens as expected, that should definitely help Clayton's numbers, even though McNair and Mason obviously would have a connection. And Robinson has always had great talent. If he continues to lay off the sauce I think he could conceivably reach his elite potential.
Edited to add Reggie Brown. Good one Musesboy. He picked up the Eagles offense really quickly and showed some pretty decent flashes. And we all know the Eagles will throw the ball 5000 times this season as always. With a healthy McNabb he could do alright.
Koren Robinson
Mark Clayton
Braylon Edwards
Braylon Edwards obviously has the injury concern so he's further down on my list, but I think that Clayton and Robinson both could put up nice numbers. If McNair ends up with the Ravens as expected, that should definitely help Clayton's numbers, even though McNair and Mason obviously would have a connection. And Robinson has always had great talent. If he continues to lay off the sauce I think he could conceivably reach his elite potential.
Edited to add Reggie Brown. Good one Musesboy. He picked up the Eagles offense really quickly and showed some pretty decent flashes. And we all know the Eagles will throw the ball 5000 times this season as always. With a healthy McNabb he could do alright.
Last edited by a moderator:
el-gato-grande
Footballguy
I posted this in another thread. I think all of these guys will be solid values:
Joe Jurevicius - had a career year with Seattle and is going into a situation with the Browns where he may be the defacto WR1 until Edwards is healthy.
David Givens - Again, fell into a great situation with the Titans. Will form a great tandem with Drew Bennett (who is better and more comfortable as a WR2). Was undervalued in New England where he never put up quality fantasy stats because he was never featured in their offense.
Derrick Mason - Has been hampered with sub-quality QBs during his time with the Ravens. But, if he is reunited with Steve McNair, then his numbers should improve significantly.
Joe Jurevicius - had a career year with Seattle and is going into a situation with the Browns where he may be the defacto WR1 until Edwards is healthy.
David Givens - Again, fell into a great situation with the Titans. Will form a great tandem with Drew Bennett (who is better and more comfortable as a WR2). Was undervalued in New England where he never put up quality fantasy stats because he was never featured in their offense.
Derrick Mason - Has been hampered with sub-quality QBs during his time with the Ravens. But, if he is reunited with Steve McNair, then his numbers should improve significantly.
Musesboy
Footballguy
What I like about Mason is that despite changing teams and with Boller/Wright at QB, he still had 86/1073.McNair would improve the situation, but TD numbers are quite volatile things to predict and I like how involved he was in the offense. A year in the system should help him too.
Bankerguy
Footballguy
I like a couple.
Terry Glenn - Again!! The new 2 TE set opens him up 1 on 1 all the time, he is almost uncoverable on deep routes. People think I'm crazy, but I say Glenn equals TO's TD output. (I predict 10)
Kevin Curtis - Emerging WR, good hands and could challlenge Bruce for more playing time.
Terry Glenn - Again!! The new 2 TE set opens him up 1 on 1 all the time, he is almost uncoverable on deep routes. People think I'm crazy, but I say Glenn equals TO's TD output. (I predict 10)
Kevin Curtis - Emerging WR, good hands and could challlenge Bruce for more playing time.
Last edited by a moderator:
wannabee
Footballguy
One guy I really like that seems to slip in initial Dynasty drafts is Donal Driver. The guy is only 31 and seems to be set for a good year. I know all bets are off when Favre retires.
Another guy that goes real late is Justin McCareins. Have to think that some sort of QB stability will help. He did have a ton of targets last year. Other than Coles, I do not see many viable receiving options for the Jets.
Another guy that goes real late is Justin McCareins. Have to think that some sort of QB stability will help. He did have a ton of targets last year. Other than Coles, I do not see many viable receiving options for the Jets.
here is a guy way under the radar...
Dennis Northcutt he should start the season as a starter due to braylons rehab...then he should move back into the slot...his upside is limited but if he puts up a couple nice games early you might be able to deal him for something else before he moves back to being a number 3
Dennis Northcutt he should start the season as a starter due to braylons rehab...then he should move back into the slot...his upside is limited but if he puts up a couple nice games early you might be able to deal him for something else before he moves back to being a number 3
If you're tracking Northcutt, keep an eye on rookie Travis Wilson. In post draft talk, the Browns mentioned that they prefer Northcutt in the slot and Wilson would be considered to start opposite Joe J if Edwards is not ready to start the year (which sounds likely). It may just be GM/coach speak after the draft, but something to monitor.
LINK
Last edited by a moderator:
Banger
Footballguy
I really like Horn, perenial top 10 guy that will fall down probably to the 20's due to a hammy problem last year. Offense will probably improve and I'll be targetting him in my drafts this year.
Bryant
Moose
Mason
McCardell
K. Robinson
Djax (may fall a little in some leagues due to him being injured last year but he'll be top 10 this year)
Bryant
Moose
Mason
McCardell
K. Robinson
Djax (may fall a little in some leagues due to him being injured last year but he'll be top 10 this year)
1. Keenan McCardell
2. Derrick Mason
3. Kevin Curtis
4. Joey Galloway
(These are not waiver wire guys; just guys I see as undervalued.)
2. Derrick Mason
3. Kevin Curtis
4. Joey Galloway
(These are not waiver wire guys; just guys I see as undervalued.)
Last edited by a moderator:
Banger
Footballguy
I'm not sure what the Rams offense will be this year but I know they won't be a passing machine like they were under Martz. Therefore, the #3 wr won't have the value that it once did. I might take one of them real real late but don't really see a lot of upside with either of them.
Ozymandias
Footballguy
I think there will be an injury concern with Edwards, which will cause him to be undervalued. He is a good pickup because he'll start the season with some concern, but will probably get better and better as the season goes on. Great to have him in case one of your main men goes down with injury.I forgot about Braylon Edwards. He definitely deserves to be on that list unless we hear negative injury news on by draft day.
BroadwayG
Footballguy
When hasn't this guy played poorly? Him and DAvid Carr have apparently brainwashed everyone on the planet except for me into thinking they'll put up solid numbers every year.On topic, I will 3rd, 4th or 5th the nomination for Antonio Bryant. I also high on Joe Horn right now, not sure what his ADP is. I'm keeping my eye on the starters for Minnesota as well.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
I would avoid Edwards this year. He will be rushed back and won't be 100% this year pretty much no matter what. He is bound to put up average numbers once he gets in the lineup. Add in that he plays on Cleveland and I'm betting he will disappoint those that try to grab him late hoping for a half season of big numbers. He'll be fine in 2007, but not so much in 2006.
As for Antonio Bryant, from what I've seen it looks like Arnaz Battle will start the year as the WR1 and Bryant as the WR2 in SF. Whether that plays out in their production is another thing entirely.
I'm also not sold on Koren Robinson either. He might be worth it depending upon when he gets drafted, but from what I've ssen there's also someone that really wants him and will take him a lot sooner than I would. I'm a bit squimish on pinning high hopes on a big year from a WR that had only 22 receptions the year before.
I also see very little to suggest that Bruce will sit behind Curtis unless Bruce gets hurt.
As for Antonio Bryant, from what I've seen it looks like Arnaz Battle will start the year as the WR1 and Bryant as the WR2 in SF. Whether that plays out in their production is another thing entirely.
I'm also not sold on Koren Robinson either. He might be worth it depending upon when he gets drafted, but from what I've ssen there's also someone that really wants him and will take him a lot sooner than I would. I'm a bit squimish on pinning high hopes on a big year from a WR that had only 22 receptions the year before.
I also see very little to suggest that Bruce will sit behind Curtis unless Bruce gets hurt.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
A) Somebody has to catch the balls and he's already been annointed the #1.B) Brad Johnson, the coaching and the O-line are solid.
C) He's done it before so his reception total from last year doesn't concern me.
D) I think his consensus ranking is about right.
Last edited by a moderator:
David Yudkin
Footballguy
I'm curious if Minnesota becomes a 4-way free for all between the Robinsons, Taylor, and Williamson. A team can annoit a WR whatever they want, but the QB still has to concentrate on hitting that one guy and ignoring the other receivers.I'm not saying the K-Rob will be a bust, I'm just wondering how well he will do vs where he is drafted. I suspect his ranking will climb as we approach the season.
As for line item ©, he's has one Top 25 season. That is the same total as Marcus Robinson and Travis Taylor.
I'm all in favor of getting K-Rob cheap. The question is how cheap is cheap. IIRC, he's ranked 35 in the consensus ranking. But I've seen him grabbed already in the early to mid 20s. IMO, that's too early. I'd guess he ranks in the 25-30 range at this point.
Bizkiteer
Footballguy
I was wondering when someone was going to mention T. Taylor in the Minny situation. People sure are quick to put Williamson on there when he has done a thing. BJ seemed to like Taylor and was hitting KRob too...I'd imagine that Taylor is the possesion guy while krob stretches the field.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
I personally don't see him doing as well as in SEA, where he maxed out at 78 receptions. He maxhad a single game high of 4 receptions last year and pretty much only had one noteworty game. Maybe Burleson's departure will give him a lot more looks, but M-Rob and Taylor are capable and I'm sure they want Williamson to start paying dividends. I think K-Rob 2006 could approach Burleson 2004, but that's about it in my book.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
More on Koren, not too many WRs can say they averaged over 70 receptions in years 2&3 of their careers.
Code:
+--------------------------+-------------------------+ | Rushing | Receiving |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| 2001 sea | 16 | 4 13 3.2 0 | 39 536 13.7 1 || 2002 sea | 16 | 8 56 7.0 0 | 78 1240 15.9 5 || 2003 sea | 15 | 4 15 3.8 0 | 65 896 13.8 4 || 2004 sea | 10 | 1 3 3.0 0 | 31 495 16.0 2 || 2005 min | 14 | 4 27 6.8 1 | 22 347 15.8 1 |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| TOTAL | 71 | 21 114 5.4 1 | 235 3514 15.0 13 |David Yudkin
Footballguy
The Burleson comparison was only to show the type of production I thought K-Rob might see this year. Leave Burlseon out of it altogether. I see K-Rob around 60/1000/8 witht he team spreading it around more than some may project.
Couch Potato
Footballguy
I know that Joe Jurevicius has never been a featured WR and has had a lot of injuries keep him off the field over the years, but I'm beginning to wonder if he's the next "old" WR to surprise everyone and put up some really eye-popping numbers. With both Edwards and Winslow inexperienced, with possible health concerns, and not fully integrated into the offense yet; rookie Wilson possibly on the other side if Edwards isn't ready (Browns want to keep Northcutt as #3); and QB Frye with some experience now but still young; 6'5" Jurevicus may be focused on as a security blanket much like Muhammad in 2004 and Galloway in 2005.
On the other hand he has an excellent shot at being undervalued in '07.
Jurevicius was 55-694-10 last year in a complementary role. He could get 70 or 80 receptions in 2006 if none of the other WRs are ready / able / healthy enough to contribute heavily.
It seems crazy to talk about big Joe in these terms, but it was just as crazy to talk that way about Muhammad or Galloway before the last two seasons, and both came through in large part due to injuries to the other WRs.
ETA: I'm talking primarily about reception and TD totals here. His YPC has always been pretty meager, and even with 75-80 catches I would only expect to see 1,000 yards or so.
Last edited by a moderator:
Fullback Fro
yesno
interested to see this documented
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
DY, what you predict puts KRob at about 10th; How can you say he should be about 25-30 and then say being picked around 20th is too early then
Last edited by a moderator:
mad sweeney
Footballguy
He'll bite you, I'm telling you. He'll get you chunk of points in games when you win handily and don't need them. And when you need production from him, HE'LL DROP THE ####### BALL!!! I saw it from him in their last game, he tipped a ball to e defender's hands. The man is unreliable! His punt returns are coloring his rep a nice rosy shade, but as a WR he's still a bust.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I'll say Rod Gardner. He's had the full offseason to absorb the playbook and he's one of the guys that Thompson wanted back. He perfectly fits the description of what McCarthy wanted in his wideouts.
Plus his only competition for the WR2 spot in Green Bay is Robert Ferguson and Marc Boerigter. Greg Jennings may come on a bit, but I doubt he gets meaningful time if Gardner shows anything at all.
Plus his only competition for the WR2 spot in Green Bay is Robert Ferguson and Marc Boerigter. Greg Jennings may come on a bit, but I doubt he gets meaningful time if Gardner shows anything at all.
T
trader jake
Guest
sabertoothall packer homers will be drafting this guy late or trading for him on the cheap. gardner has little/no value right now and he'll send up starting for quite a few teams in need of WR play this year
David Yudkin
Footballguy
There are a lot of WR that get over 1000 yards and 8 TD. I should have said 6-8 TD, as that's what I see with 8 being the high side. That gives K-Rob a projected total of 136 to 148 fantasy points.136 points is usually in the low 20s as far as year end rankings. However, it should be noted that most preseason projections are normally on the high side, so relatively speaking projections for other WR will be too high too.DY, what you predict puts KRob at about 10th; How can you say he should be about 25-30 and then say being picked around 20th is too early then
However, as I already outlined, I think MIN is a tough situation to gauge, as they have 3 guys that have been #1 WR befiore and Williamson who they are trying to groom as a legit WR stud for years to come. So I think whoever the #3 and #4 guys turn out to be will get more production than most team's WR3/4, taking away from the top 2 guys on the team.
Even though I may project K-Rob in the 20s, I think he is a risky pick at the same spot in drafts as he is a pretty risky pick. FBG has him in the mid 30s, which I think is good value at that point. I'd probably buy once it hit WR30, maybe as early as WR25 depending on how my squad was looking.
But I generally let other owners load up on risky picks and then take older proven commodoties , so K-Rob still might not make it on one of my teams if there were still a ton of guys hanging around undrafted.
