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[KID]

I have been utilizing the VBD rules for over a decade in a certain league. Over and over another league mate has continually kicked my *** utilizing a magazine and filling out his roster based on highest point totals of players available. As always I looked forward to the 10 man perfect draft and utilized its techniques. We had our draft last week and agian as always I came out of the draft feeling real good about my team until I looked at his team. I have provided the two teams their projected points and their VBD based on our rules. We start the following: 1 QB, 2RB, 2WR, 1TE, 1FLEX (either a RB, WR or TE) 1 Def and 1 Kicker. Please discuss which team you would rather have and if you agree with the guys selected based on VBD. The hardest pick for me was the 6th round between Tatum Bell and Mason. Mason VBD is 58 and his total projected points are 1611.

My team rd taken VBD Tot Pts His team rd taken VBD Tot Pts

Bulger 7:05 49 4100 Hasselbeck 6:07 48 4104

S. Jack 1:05 5 1931 Barber 1:04 2 2309

Parker 2:06 10 1627 J Lewis 5:04 28 1370

Westy 3:05 15 1575 A Green 7:04 55 1021

T Bell 6:06 39 1170

R Moss 4:06 31 1878 Holt 2:07 23 2031

L Coles 9:05 not in top 60 1455 Driver 3:04 36 1794

Kennison 10:06 not in top 60 1497 Burress 4:07 51 1677

Heap 5:05 40 1347 V Davis 10:07 not in top 60 902

This is a 10 team league and look who fell to me in the 4th but R. Moss. This is just a portion of our rosters but all the important players. There aren't any playoffs in this league, the team with the most cummulative points at the end of week 17 wins the league.

If you add up total points playing the flex as Westy for me, my total points are 13955 and his are 14187. As you can see VBD said take the RBs and if injuries prevail I have better RB depth. All things similar why will I prevail without injuries? The only thing I can come up with is that VBD doesn't hold true for this format. Please discuss and tell me why VBD works and barring injuries I should prevail.

My team is on the left and his team is posted next to mine. Sorry it isn't very clear.

 

[GregR_2]

VBD is input for your decision. If you are taking the next player in the VBD cheatsheet you are using it for more than it should be used for. It doesn't take into account things like the rate at which players actually are depleted in a league.

 

[KID]

VBD is input for your decision. If you are taking the next player in the VBD cheatsheet you are using it for more than it should be used for. It doesn't take into account things like the rate at which players actually are depleted in a league.

Dodds says in the 10 man perfect draft "I believe the correct approach is to grab the best player available until the Top 60 are off the board. With some luck and creating the right top 60 list, you are hopeful to still be drafting from this list when you complete the 8th round (80 picks)." Well in my case that was true, with my 8th round pick I got Maroney who had a VBD of 56.

 

[Gatorman]

I guess the best answer there is that you are only doing part of the work. VBD is a nice tool, but you need to couple it with ADP and some thought as to what you want your roster to look like to be truly successful with it.

FYI his team is better because his WRs are better. This is not the end of the world, because you have depth at RB and because WR is good FA position as well as a better position to get players in later rounds.

Your bigesst mistake here was taking bell at 6 when you had to have WR screaming at you in VBD. If you were using static VBD this may be why you messed up. I am sure some dynamic VBD (the Draft Dominator perhaps) would have had WR screaming at you.

If you do not have the DOminator, load it, and run your draft and go pick by pick. If it still says to take bell there (it wont) then I apologize.

 

[sirelfman]

If I remember, VDB is somewhat predicated on a head-to-head, because you are comparing position to position. I guess this still works in the season long point total, but I'm can also see how switching over to a most points available stategy might serve better in this situation. You don't have to worry about the head-to-head matchup, so you don't need the consistency. You just need someone who will score alot points over the course of the season.

 

[The Jerk]

Adding on to GregR's post...

Consider a hypothetical draft in a 10-team league. If RBs go very slow for any reason, you could end up with 4 or more RBs drafting purely off VBD. The obvious problem is that you will be weaker than most other teams at several positions other than RB. If the league allows trading, it is still possible for you to make up for your deficiencies through a few trades. Otherwise, your RB strength is not likely to lead to a championship.

Greg put it succinctly when he said "VBD is input for your decision." VBD can take into account elements of your league scoring system, roster limits and starting lineup, but even those factors are dependent upon choosing the appropriate baeline. More significantly, draft tendencies of the league, both individually and collectively, have no impact on VBD. Your preparation (draft histories of the league and its individual owners), experience, knowledge and instinct need to be added to VBD when it becomes decision time at the draft.

 

[The Jerk]

VBD is input for your decision. If you are taking the next player in the VBD cheatsheet you are using it for more than it should be used for. It doesn't take into account things like the rate at which players actually are depleted in a league.

Dodds says in the 10 man perfect draft "I believe the correct approach is to grab the best player available until the Top 60 are off the board. With some luck and creating the right top 60 list, you are hopeful to still be drafting from this list when you complete the 8th round (80 picks)." Well in my case that was true, with my 8th round pick I got Maroney who had a VBD of 56.

I'll try to say this carefully...Some people seem to rely on systems in general and VBD in particular way too much and don't bring their own knowledge, strategies, and experiences to the table. Your first paragraph tells me that you recognize the system you are using, and you think you know the system he is using (don't underestimate what else this opponent might be doing), but you keep doing the same thing. If a given approach in just about anything keeps leading to failure, you need to change the way you are operating. The change may be small or it may be sweeping, but it needs to happen. The posts in this thread should give you a good idea of the changes you can consider in order to become more competitive.

 

[KID]

I guess the best answer there is that you are only doing part of the work. VBD is a nice tool, but you need to couple it with ADP and some thought as to what you want your roster to look like to be truly successful with it.FYI his team is better because his WRs are better. This is not the end of the world, because you have depth at RB and because WR is good FA position as well as a better position to get players in later rounds.Your bigesst mistake here was taking bell at 6 when you had to have WR screaming at you in VBD. If you were using static VBD this may be why you messed up. I am sure some dynamic VBD (the Draft Dominator perhaps) would have had WR screaming at you.If you do not have the DOminator, load it, and run your draft and go pick by pick. If it still says to take bell there (it wont) then I apologize.

I didn't utilze Dominator and will have to load info and see what it says. Thanks for the suggestionAs I said I could have taken Mason at this pick and pondered over this for a very long time. As you mentioned the static VBDs were Bell 39 to Mason 58. What I don't understand is everyone is contradicting what Dodds has said to do. Do I have a lot of trade possiblites, yes the guy that has Mason has already offered me Maosn for Maroney because he has Dillon. This is a definite possibility. I am just saying that I can just look at total points and fill our my roster based on best positional players available and not worry about VBD. I am looking for womeone to say that VBD is the way to go

 

[GregR_2]

Let me add on to GregR's post too.

Drafting is about getting the most value at each of your picks. That doesn't just include getting the highest VBD guy. That includes recognizing players who, according to YOUR beliefs, are not being taken where they should.

I have Donovan McNabb as my #2 QB. However he's being drafted in the mid 5th round on average. Now let's say Peyton, my #1 QB, shows up at my pick in late round 1, early round 2, and VBD says he's my most valuable guy.

What VBD doesn't know is that I can get a guy of just slightly less value than Peyton about 4 rounds from now. Let's say if I took Peyton now, I'd take a WR in the late 4th (maybe Ward to put a name to it). I can take Peyton plus that late 4th WR... or I can take my top WR, Holt, and have McNabb.

The decision I need to make is, does Peyton + Ward outscore McNabb + Holt? No, not by a longshot according to my beliefs.

Now VBD does make more obvious the value of a QB vs that of a RB or WR. That's why it is a good tool. But you then need to take that information and use it as input to decide what combination of players actually available to you at your picks, is going to give you the best team.

 

[KID]

VBD is input for your decision. If you are taking the next player in the VBD cheatsheet you are using it for more than it should be used for. It doesn't take into account things like the rate at which players actually are depleted in a league.

Dodds says in the 10 man perfect draft "I believe the correct approach is to grab the best player available until the Top 60 are off the board. With some luck and creating the right top 60 list, you are hopeful to still be drafting from this list when you complete the 8th round (80 picks)." Well in my case that was true, with my 8th round pick I got Maroney who had a VBD of 56.

I'll try to say this carefully...Some people seem to rely on systems in general and VBD in particular way too much and don't bring their own knowledge, strategies, and experiences to the table. Your first paragraph tells me that you recognize the system you are using, and you think you know the system he is using (don't underestimate what else this opponent might be doing), but you keep doing the same thing. If a given approach in just about anything keeps leading to failure, you need to change the way you are operating. The change may be small or it may be sweeping, but it needs to happen. The posts in this thread should give you a good idea of the changes you can consider in order to become more competitive.

Don't get me wrong, I know the draft tendencies of the guys in the league and utize that to my advantage, I vary my strategies a lot. I chart by position all of the pick so I know who has what player and how many of them. You can see I took Coles over Kennison. This guys hasn't always kicked my *** but has got the better of me over the past decade. I don't totally go by VBD do try to get RB depth because in this league there isn't any injured reserve. I just think I am better off not relying on VBD and relying on total projected points a player scores as the guidlineThis guy has been purchasing magazines for years. He still has dial up for internet.

 

[RIM]

you have his "team" outscoring yours by 232 points on the season.

just look at the first round...

Tiki outscores (by projections) SJax by 378 points.

so, your draft position cost you 378 points, yet your draft closed that gap by 156 points.

 

[Johnny Rock]

I agree with some strategy the others have offered. Use VBD as input rather than fact.

That said, I think your team is fine. Your RB's are rock solid as was said. I think your WR's are ok too, plus you have Heap over his VDavis, who hasn't shown much yet with Smith in SF. You only start 2 WR so that helps.

Something that I don't believe anyone has touched on is the fact that you can start 3 RB's. You have the depth to do that probably all the time. That's big.

I disagree that these are all the important players. Depth and sleepers are huge. You mentioned Maroney which is great. He might carry you to the Championship at the end of the year, you don't know. I'm more interested in who your backup WR's are.

You're fine IMO. Don't worry about what your buddy does, you can't control that.

 

[TinHat]

DVDB

 

[Biabreakable]

Randy Moss lasted to the 4th round?

 

[KID]

GregR I agree with what you have stated. I believe that Coles will end up putting up WR2 points in a 10 man league. I don't think VBD is the be all end all. I utilize gut feel, suff certain guys that will fall because guys are down on them etc. IMHO my team will be better than his team in the end. My other Wrs are Michael Clayton and Troy Williamson. My depth is far superior to his. I took a flyer on Morency I think he will be the starter. Didn't watch any games this weekend. I am just looking at potential starters and scratching my head.

I think everyone has provided great info on this topic. I am just wodering if I should utilize more of his strategy to fill my roster than to utilize VBD in the early rounds. I will always have depth and if some of my sleepers come through I will be in good shape.

 

[glen5839]

Randy Moss lasted to the 4th round?

I was thinking the same thing. I find that odd.

 

[KID]

Randy Moss lasted to the 4th round?

Everyone is this league is down on him and hates Brooks. Brooks lasted to the 15 round. Neither of these were surprises to me and was targeting Brooks in later rounds, but went with Favre because of his durability and the lack of Bulgers'.

 

[KID]

you have his "team" outscoring yours by 232 points on the season.just look at the first round...Tiki outscores (by projections) SJax by 378 points.so, your draft position cost you 378 points, yet your draft closed that gap by 156 points.

This is good info, I failed to look at it this way

 

[Biabreakable]

Well 1st of all projected points will not even be close to actual points. So making this comparison I think is inconclusive at best although I realise that is what your VBD assesments are based upon.

What is more important and VBD will tell you is that your baseline for Rbs (with the flex) is Rb 30 who should always outscore Wr 30 or Te 20 (the other flex options).

I don't know if you get PPR. You only told us total projected points for each player. I also don't know if you submit lineups that are scored each week or if it is based off of best score for the week. But I think it is the correct tactic to draft 3 Rb due to your starting requirements/flex options. Moss VBD numbers probobly made him an option begining in round 2. To get him in round 4 I think will really destroy the points gap of any other player taken in round 4 and probobly round 3 as well.

If your not a winner in terms of total points I dont think it is because of VBD but just because you picked the wrong players. VBD from projections is very different than from retrospect.

 

[Da Guru]

You also have to factor in pure "Chit Luck"

 

[KID]

Well 1st of all projected points will not even be close to actual points. So making this comparison I think is inconclusive at best although I realise that is what your VBD assesments are based upon.What is more important and VBD will tell you is that your baseline for Rbs (with the flex) is Rb 30 who should always outscore Wr 30 or Te 20 (the other flex options).I don't know if you get PPR. You only told us total projected points for each player. I also don't know if you submit lineups that are scored each week or if it is based off of best score for the week. But I think it is the correct tactic to draft 3 Rb due to your starting requirements/flex options. Moss VBD numbers probobly made him an option begining in round 2. To get him in round 4 I think will really destroy the points gap of any other player taken in round 4 and probobly round 3 as well.If your not a winner in terms of total points I dont think it is because of VBD but just because you picked the wrong players. VBD from projections is very different than from retrospect.

B:the scoring is very intricate. 1 point per yard passing, rushing and receiving. 5 points for all TE and WR receptions. Based on VBD for our scoring system the first 18 selections are RBs. Moss is 31 which equates to the first pick in the fourth round. If you strictly go by VBD drafting he fell to me but not really that far. Best score of the week goies 9-0, second best score goes 8-1 so in essence each week you are H2H with everyone in the league. At the end of the league the guy with the best record wins. In the 12 years in this legue there is only one time the guy with the most points didn't win and he came in second.

 

[Biabreakable]

AH I see.

5 pt/reception for Wr and Te greatly devalues TDs if they are still worth only 6.

Strange scoring system. That just sounds ugly.

Depth matters a lot more if your submiting lineups each week.

I dunno if Tatum Bell was the right call over Mason in a format that so heavily rewards PPR.

 

[mojorizin]

You also have to factor in pure "Chit Luck"

True. Just for kicks I put every draft into Draft Dominator the last 3 years. Without fail I'm drilling the league on paper, or damn close to it, before the first whistle blows. Problem is, its all based on projections that are destined to be wrong. Those dudes I nabbed in the middle rounds that were huge values dynamically drafted with ADP, VBD, AVT, STD, NASCAR, D-I-V-O-R-C-E and any other voodoo, juju, or draft day hocus pocus b.s you can shake a dead chicken at and it doesnt make much difference. Take the guys you want when you think you can get em without overpaying too much. Have a beer and some chips and enjoy the games. The only thing you have less control over than the government is the N.F.L.

 

[Shrek]

VBD is input for your decision. If you are taking the next player in the VBD cheatsheet you are using it for more than it should be used for. It doesn't take into account things like the rate at which players actually are depleted in a league.

I just started using an ADP/Top 250 chart, recent projection tweaks, and a SOS chart on draft day to go along with my old standby VBD sheet. It's not hard to cross-reference them if you need to. I have to say I am more pleased with my draft this year out of the 8 spot than past years when I have drafted 3 or 4 and only used my VBD. I have always believed in the system, but like it's been said here about a zillion times, it's just one tool. The tools I use above are more tools than most people in a draft will use, but less than many sharks will use. I like to go in with a general strategy then use these tools to make adjustments on the fly.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

This is the exact reason why drafts need to switch to the Banzai method.

you have his "team" outscoring yours by 232 points on the season.

just look at the first round...Tiki outscores (by projections) SJax by 378 points.

so, your draft position cost you 378 points, yet your draft closed that gap by 156 points.

1) Standard serpentine draft for twelve rounds

Pick #2 is 5.1% higher then pick #11. (303 points)

Banzai method.

Standard Serpentine draft. Except reverse the 3rd round. Everything else normal.

Pick #2 is 0.02% higher then pick #11. (1 point)

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...=261084&hl=

 

[The Jerk]

This is the exact reason why drafts need to switch to the Banzai method.

you have his "team" outscoring yours by 232 points on the season.

just look at the first round...Tiki outscores (by projections) SJax by 378 points.

so, your draft position cost you 378 points, yet your draft closed that gap by 156 points.

1) Standard serpentine draft for twelve rounds

Pick #2 is 5.1% higher then pick #11. (303 points)

Banzai method.

Standard Serpentine draft. Except reverse the 3rd round. Everything else normal.

Pick #2 is 0.02% higher then pick #11. (1 point)

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...=261084&hl=

Big Steel Thrill,I tried this in the other thread. I'll try it again here.

Does reversing the third round only mean:

Round 1: 1-12

Round 2: 12-1

Round 3: 12-1

Round 4: 12-1

Round 5: 1-12

Round 6: 12-1

...

And have comparisons been done for other pick slots? Great to see 2 and 11 balance out, but what about all the other picks?

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Big Steel Thrill,

I tried this in the other thread. I'll try it again here.

Does reversing the third round only mean:

Round 1: 1-12

Round 2: 12-1

Round 3: 12-1

Round 4: 12-1

Round 5: 1-12

Round 6: 12-1

...

And have comparisons been done for other pick slots? Great to see 2 and 11 balance out, but what about all the other picks?

Yes that is exactly what the Banzai method does.whoisjohngalt ran the numbers.

I have asked him to run more numbers, showing other spots, but he hasnt done it as of yet.

I know it from first hand use. This way = any pick is good.

 

[The Jerk]

Big Steel Thrill,

I tried this in the other thread. I'll try it again here.

Does reversing the third round only mean:

Round 1: 1-12

Round 2: 12-1

Round 3: 12-1

Round 4: 12-1

Round 5: 1-12

Round 6: 12-1

...

And have comparisons been done for other pick slots? Great to see 2 and 11 balance out, but what about all the other picks?

Yes that is exactly what the Banzai method does.whoisjohngalt ran the numbers.

I have asked him to run more numbers, showing other spots, but he hasnt done it as of yet.

I know it from first hand use. This way = any pick is good.

Thanks. It's fairly easy to understand how this can make the values add up in a more balanced fashion. Even though it makes mathematical sense, it won't be an easy sell to many FF leagues.

 

[inca911]

It looks like he managed selecting starters better than you did. Your bench may beat his bench, but that's not how the game is played (although depth does add comfort). For example, if you would have taken Mason (or another WR) over Bell, your WR#2 position is +100 points. You already have 3 RBs to play in a start 2RB league, and while you added a BYE week cover with Bell that doesn't help the other 13 weeks when a starting RB isn't on BYE. Additionally, his flex in Burress outscores your flex by 100 points (His Burress at 1677 vs. Westy at 1575). There's another 100 point difference. I also don't see an 8th round pick for you, which pushed your WR#2 selection down an entire round. His picks through 8th round are all starters, and include a solid flex in Burress. Your picks through 8th round include Bell (backup) and no starting 8th round pick. You've spotted him two players, and several hundred points. I guess I'd be glad it's as close as it currently is.

 

[snitwitch]

You should use VBD and dVBD to give you ideas of "tiers" of whose available. But on draft day, you should really be thinking also a lot about opportunity (as in, which guys are going to be playing a lot, especially for later picks), upside, risk/reward, etc...

It's not good to blindly go with the best value pick, but it's nice to have that info in front of you while you are thinking about these other things.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Thanks. It's fairly easy to understand how this can make the values add up in a more balanced fashion. Even though it makes mathematical sense, it won't be an easy sell to many FF leagues.

So despite being fairly easy to understand and much more fair (any draft options better?) way to draft... it wont be an easy sell?Thats crazy. I feel sorry for those that couldnt handle one single round being reversed to make a draft fair.

You would think/hope every astute drafter and fantasy football player would flock to it.

Guess it holds true... You can lead a horse to water, but you cant make him drink.

 

[The Jerk]

Thanks. It's fairly easy to understand how this can make the values add up in a more balanced fashion. Even though it makes mathematical sense, it won't be an easy sell to many FF leagues.

So despite being fairly easy to understand and the fairest way to draft... it wont be an easy sell?Thats crazy. I feel sorry for those that couldnt handle one single round being reversed to make a draft fair.

You would think/hope every astute drafter and fantasy football player would flock to it.

Guess it holds true... You can lead a horse to water, but you cant make him drink.

Your claim that this is the fairest way to draft depends upon assumptions about the relative values of draft positions in all of the rounds. Even if everyone was a FBG there might be some complaining that the pick calculator represents an average value over a period of several seasons and does not accurately apply to any one year. Truthfully, there are several places in a draft where the value falls most severely. It's not a graceful asymptotic decline unless you factor in multiple seasons.Look, I'm glad you are such a big fan of this, and I appreciate you answering my question. I still stand by my statement that this is a tough sell. I personally believe there are other ways to create balance by making several smaller changes throughout the draft rather than having an extreme change among the players ranked 25-48. I've seen it done once with a similar value calculation, and it made more sense as it poses a less severe penalty to the top 4 picks during rounds 2-4.

Again, I recognize the perspective you have on this is valid, but I think it depends on pick value assumptions which are not unanimously held. Thanks again for your communications.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Let me rephrase... a much fairer way of drafting serpentine style drafts.

Not fairest. There could be something fairer.

But very much as good as an improvement as have been offered in some 25 years.

We can just let the top drafters win a majority of the league as normal I guess. (<=== not an assumption)

 

[BigSteelThrill]

having an extreme change among the players ranked 25-48

Actually the ONLY change is to players 25-36.It does change draft strategies. Of course. But its a good thing, as instead of the teams at the end of round one with the worst RB#1 (usual outcome) options being forced to into a hard choice in round 2... the guys with the very best players in the league are now forced with that decision instead. But since they already have the very best players, its not so bad. When you are done and looking at teams, the best drafters are the best drafters. Not some guy who just happend to get an early pick and now has an overbearing advantage.And we have tried doing several smaller changes (actually that was my first thoughts and attempts) and we found through trial and error it just doesnt have enough effect for anyone to not want an early pick. As it still proves to be a very big advantage. With the Banzai method, you actually are not even concerned with were you pick, its not a worry. Anywhere is good, well as good as you are. This is without running the numbers that whoisjohngalt did. I didnt doubt his numbers would come across as they did, but I didnt realize that there was only going to be a 1 point difference between pick #2 and pick #11. Thats amazing.

 

[The Jerk]

Let me rephrase... a much fairer way of drafting serpentine style drafts.Not fairest. There could be something fairer. But very much as good as an improvement as have been offered in some 25 years.We can just let the top drafters win a majority of the league as normal I guess. (<=== not an assumption)

Well put.My point on the hard sell is that it's not just about making the "total draft slot points" be equivalent. And I think there is some merit to that. Here's a ridiculous example from using the FBG draft calculator.10 team league, 14 round draftTotal pick slot value for all 140 picks = 71751 or approximately 7175 per teamI can get to 7171 points for one team by assigning picks 1, 2, 9, 10, and all of round 14.I will give credit to the BANZAI approach as the simplest approach to make drafts more fair. However, I'd prefer a more graduated correction to draft position injustice as I believe that the players drafted in picks 25-48 give greater separation than their point equivalence suggests (as I hoped to show through my ridiculous example). Also, I'm glad you posted this, as it is very thought-provoking.

 

[Tick]

This thread makes me happy - very good responses. I had some stuff to say, but Gatorman hit just about everything, and others have mentioned stuff I didn't think of to add.

 

[The Jerk]

In case you're wondering, I'd love to be the team with 1,2,9,10 and essentially all free agents.

Give me two top RBs, then two top WRs, and I'll be happy to round out my roster with others, including literally free agents as the season wears on.

 

[The Jerk]

having an extreme change among the players ranked 25-48

Actually the ONLY change is to players 25-36.But it does change draft strategies. Of course. But its a good thing, as instead of the teams at the end of round one with the worst RB#1 (usual outcome) options being forced to into a hard choice in round 2... the guys with the very best players in the league are now forced with that decision instead. But since they already have the very best players, its not so bad. When you are done and looking at teams, the best drafters are the best drafters. Not some guy who just happend to get an early pick and now has an overbearing advantage.

I understand that the change only affects literally players 25-36. However, the serpentine divides each team into 24-pick groupings, where one player drafts ahead of its neighbor on one direction, and of course the opposite direction in the next round.If you have a sharp drafter on one side of you, picks don't fall a few slots for two consecutive rounds which can make a huge difference.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

having an extreme change among the players ranked 25-48

Actually the ONLY change is to players 25-36.But it does change draft strategies. Of course. But its a good thing, as instead of the teams at the end of round one with the worst RB#1 (usual outcome) options being forced to into a hard choice in round 2... the guys with the very best players in the league are now forced with that decision instead. But since they already have the very best players, its not so bad. When you are done and looking at teams, the best drafters are the best drafters. Not some guy who just happend to get an early pick and now has an overbearing advantage.

I understand that the change only affects literally players 25-36. However, the serpentine divides each team into 24-pick groupings, where one player drafts ahead of its neighbor on one direction, and of course the opposite direction in the next round.If you have a sharp drafter on one side of you, picks don't fall a few slots for two consecutive rounds which can make a huge difference.

So the difference becomes sharp drafters... and not draft position. I can handle that every single time. Much more so then the luck of the draw.

 

[The Jerk]

having an extreme change among the players ranked 25-48

Actually the ONLY change is to players 25-36.But it does change draft strategies. Of course. But its a good thing, as instead of the teams at the end of round one with the worst RB#1 (usual outcome) options being forced to into a hard choice in round 2... the guys with the very best players in the league are now forced with that decision instead. But since they already have the very best players, its not so bad. When you are done and looking at teams, the best drafters are the best drafters. Not some guy who just happend to get an early pick and now has an overbearing advantage.

I understand that the change only affects literally players 25-36. However, the serpentine divides each team into 24-pick groupings, where one player drafts ahead of its neighbor on one direction, and of course the opposite direction in the next round.If you have a sharp drafter on one side of you, picks don't fall a few slots for two consecutive rounds which can make a huge difference.

So the difference becomes sharp drafters... and not draft position. I can handle that every single time. Much more so then the luck of the draw.

You're significantly twisting my words. The difference may become who is drafting near you as opposed to draft position, both of which are luck of the draw.I'll say it again. I like the idea that you present, but I prefer a more graduated correction to the pick differential.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

I can fully understand.

We often times become very set in our ways.

If you look at the link, wijg shows 12 rounds done in 4 other styles.

And in each other way a significant advantage is maintained.

PS: Apologies if I twisted your words.

 

[skycriesmary]