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Vermont governor: state has 'full-blown heroin crisis' (1 Viewer)
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Leroy Hoard
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Great, now all the addicts know where to go.
tikigods
Footballguy
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
Didn't we know this was going to happen when Gov Jessman shut down O'Hagan and the Vermont State police?
timschochet
Footballguy
Heroin is one of the few drugs that I would not legalize.
The Ref
Footballguy
Such an obvious statement I cant give it a GP. I'm about as open minded as anyone when it comes to legalization, but this is one that needs to stay where it is.
tikigods
Footballguy
Apple Jack
Footballguy
mquinnjr
Footballguy
In the same boat. This is not smoking a joint at a party or having a 6-pack and watching football.The Ref said:
Any movies/documentaries I've seen on heroin use definitely put me in the "keep it as illegal as possible" camp. The scary part is the people that move to it because of oxy/other lesser prescription opiates addiction because it's cheaper. That just makes me sad to see/hear.
Apple Jack
Footballguy
Needle exchages? Absolutely. Legalized heroin? Hell no.
timschochet
Footballguy
It's my life and it's my wife.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
So immature!!! Why can't they be more responsible and do yayo?
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fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
In all seriousness, the fact that oxy is legally prescribed (quite recklessly nonetheless), you have to blame the government to some extent? I understand the need for pain medications, but there are docs who prescribe it to anyone. Really needs much better regulation!
cstu
Footballguy
Until someone convinces me that a large percentage of people will start using heroin if it is decriminalized then I'm in favor of doing so. It's a horrible drug and money is better spent education and rehab than on making users into criminals.
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Phil Elliott
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At what point did it go from a crisis to a full blown crisis?
timschochet
Footballguy
I think that from now on I'm going to have to refer to myself as a macro-libertarian. Just the big stuff.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Apple Jack
Footballguy
Decriminalizing isn't the same as legalizing. I'm all for nobody going to jail for drug use. But junkies who can't maintain/don't have means are going to steal. It's as certain as water running downhill. The stigma associated with heroin is important to try to keep in tact.
And people move to heroin from oxy because in most areas it's better, it's cheaper, and it's much easier to get. Not to mention when you're dopesick but not ready to clean up, you'll do anything to get relief.
Jewell
Footballguy
I wonder if Vermont's heroin problem has anything to do with this past news story...
Nude Teens Raise Eyebrows in Vermont Town
REUTERS | BRATTLEBORO, Vermont, Aug. 24, 2006 -- Some have appeared naked in a downtown parking lot. Others rode their bicycles or simply strolled the streets in the nude.
Teenagers in the quaint Vermont town of Brattleboro are raising eyebrows this summer with brazen displays of nudity.
So far they haven't been arrested or ticketed: public nudity isn't illegal in the town of 13,000 people, unless it's done to arouse sexual gratification.
Vermont has a live-and-let-live tradition, allowing skinny-dipping and nude sunbathing. Brattleboro, the first permanent English settlement in the state in 1724, is home to a community of writers, artists and musicians as well as transplanted entrepreneurs from Boston and New York.
When the weather grew hot this year, a couple of dozen teens took to holding hula hoop contests, riding bikes and parading past the shops wearing only their birthday suits.
Nude Teens Raise Eyebrows in Vermont Town
REUTERS | BRATTLEBORO, Vermont, Aug. 24, 2006 -- Some have appeared naked in a downtown parking lot. Others rode their bicycles or simply strolled the streets in the nude.
Teenagers in the quaint Vermont town of Brattleboro are raising eyebrows this summer with brazen displays of nudity.
So far they haven't been arrested or ticketed: public nudity isn't illegal in the town of 13,000 people, unless it's done to arouse sexual gratification.
Vermont has a live-and-let-live tradition, allowing skinny-dipping and nude sunbathing. Brattleboro, the first permanent English settlement in the state in 1724, is home to a community of writers, artists and musicians as well as transplanted entrepreneurs from Boston and New York.
When the weather grew hot this year, a couple of dozen teens took to holding hula hoop contests, riding bikes and parading past the shops wearing only their birthday suits.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Pretty sure most heroin addicts are not really into hula hooping while high. Of course I could be wrong on that.
Parrothead
Footballguy
Leroy Hoard said:
not heroin addicts.. just hippies
Wilfredo Ledezma
Footballguy
100% agree.Big Cat said:
If it were legal very few people would ever die from heroin directly (ie overdose). There is a well known medical antidote that when injected will immediately bring a heroin addict from the throws of an OD to conversational in seconds (nalaxone). However most addicts dont seek medical help out of fear of being arrested that is brought on by prohibition. That and the quality control that leads to many other deaths associated with heroin. Drug addiction should be a medical problem not a criminal one.
Wilfredo Ledezma
Footballguy
why not? Prohibition is ineffective, and only helps the black market/cartels. It criminalizes people who need help rather than helps them. How 'strong' or weak the drug is really has no bearing on how ineffective prohibition is in dealing with said problem. Prohibition is a dumb idea for any drug.timschochet said:
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Right, heroin addicts are in the basement sleeping, not riding around on bikes in the 90 degree sun.Leroy Hoard said:
not heroin addicts.. just hippies
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Yes. We have had a string of former students at the high school I work at die from cut heroin. It is sad, many of them had real potential in life. Heroin isn't a problem of legality, it is a problem of culture, family, values community.
Apple Jack
Footballguy
For the record, Naloxone is being made more readily available to people in many cities.
Vermont was hit real real hard by the recession in their small communities-there's only a few (relatively) urban areas in vermont so small communities are a huge part of the state. A bunch of bad stuff happened then. Excessive drug use is not surprising, except maybe how they afforded it. You get enough people down on their luck and junk like that happens.
Things seem to be better there now so I guess this is just part of the next step to getting things right again,
Things seem to be better there now so I guess this is just part of the next step to getting things right again,
msommer
Footballguy
Apple Jack
Footballguy
Yeah, I am familiar. Oxycodone is a synthetic opiate that is very tightly regulated in most states, and has been altered such that it cannot be used intraveneously. Clamping down on the Florida pill-mills has especially choked off the oxy market in the last year or so. Percs and vicodin are a tiny fraction of the potency of heroin. These are all also only available with a prescription. If you don't have a prescription, it is illegal to be in possession. That is not "legal." If you mean legal for medicinal purposes, there is already morphine, dilaudid, and fentanyl. There is no need for heroin.
tikigods
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