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Vernon Davis sat by Nolan for last 6 mins-NOgame "celebrating&quo (2 Viewers)

The Sports Xchange notes, San Francisco TE Vernon Davis was benched late in the 49ers' loss to the Saints after catching a 19-yard pass. It was Davis' first and only catch of the game and Davis made a demonstrative gesture toward the 49ers' sideline. Coach Mike Nolan said he asked Davis to take a seat for the final six minutes of the game.(Updated 10/01/2008).
I'd like to see how this unfolds. BUt any homer news would be nice.Funny thing is no one on FBG even mentioned him sitting. Prolly didn't even know he was out.
 
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He's been cut in our league and nobody has tried to pick him up. He is not getting targets and he's not catching the few he does receive. If you want a Niners TE you should grab Walker.

 
If LJ Smith looks like he will play I'm dropping this guy. Is there really any chance he turns it around at this point? Seems like worst case possible...

 
Vernon Davis came up screaming at his own sideline after his only catch Sunday. The 49ers tight end gestured wildly and, in so many words, said he wanted more passes thrown his direction.

"It was just me being me,'' Davis said Monday.

Vernon being Vernon, however, had its consequences. Coach Mike Nolan yanked Davis off the field and told him to calm down. Davis never returned to the action over the final 6:20 of a 31-17 loss to New Orleans.

Davis and his coach met again Monday. Nolan told him that overly emotional players are prone to mistakes. "Any player that's in that kind of mode, I don't think it's best to stay on the field,'' Nolan said.
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Vernon Davis came up screaming at his own sideline after his only catch Sunday. The 49ers tight end gestured wildly and, in so many words, said he wanted more passes thrown his direction.

"It was just me being me,'' Davis said Monday.

Vernon being Vernon, however, had its consequences. Coach Mike Nolan yanked Davis off the field and told him to calm down. Davis never returned to the action over the final 6:20 of a 31-17 loss to New Orleans.

Davis and his coach met again Monday. Nolan told him that overly emotional players are prone to mistakes. "Any player that's in that kind of mode, I don't think it's best to stay on the field,'' Nolan said.
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:thumbup: Coach doesn't want his players fired up and wanting to play and be involved on offense?

 
Interview with Mike Nolan (I think it was on Monday)

Q: When you had that confrontation with Vernon Davis, can you talk a little bit about what that was?

Nolan: "I have not spoken with Vernon since yesterday and I'd look for him to-"

Q: Did you talk to him on the sideline?

Nolan: "I did not talk to him on the sideline with the game going on. He's very emotional. He was excited at the time. I really don't know what transpired at the time, but he was right there in front of me and was really excited about whatever was going on so I pulled him aside. Because any player that's in that kind of mode, I don't think is best to stay on the field. At that time, I just called him off. Obviously I grabbed him. I said, 'Look, sit down. Sit down and calm down.' I turned my attention back to the game because we were on the field. But I have not had words with him since. But I will."

Q: Do you plan to?

Nolan: "Oh yeah. But I haven't gotten-I just want to see what-To be honest with you, I don't understand why he was so excited at the time. He just caught the ball. He had gotten up. I don't know if it was a play prior to that one, but I just know that he had a lot of emotion going on. He is an emotional player. I know that Pete Hoener has always spoken with him. Mike Martz spoke with him on the sideline. Like I said, it was more emotion than anything else."

Q: Did he get back in the game?

Nolan: "Yeah, he got back in the game. He did, but he didn't do anything. At the time I pulled him, it was about emotion, it wasn't about, he had said something or done something. Why I grabbed him, he was emotional."

Q: Do you sense a growing level of frustration with him?

Nolan: "I don't know if I'd call it frustration. He's a very emotional player. When he gets the ball, obviously every time he gets up, whether it's the first quarter or the fourth quarter, he's very excited and shows himself, but when you are losing I think anybody gets frustrated. When the game is like it was, I don't care what position you play. It was a little bit of frustration because you want to have leverage in a game. We didn't have leverage."

Q: How was his blocking, Vernon's blocking?

Nolan: "His pass protection was good. His run blocking a couple times, they slipped him. So is the case."

Q: Did you have to keep him in at some point because of the protection problems

Nolan: "Like I said, we mix up our protections quite a bit. So whether it's a six man protection or seven man protection without getting real technical with that, he's stays in on some of those and some of those he's out. It's just a matter of mixing up protections for the play. If you have a play-action pass, a lot of times you don't have a lot of receivers out on a play-action pass. Again, it's just a matter of mixing."

Q: So you're not contemplating any changes?

Nolan: "We've talked about some different things, but kind of what you said, we're kind of limited in what you can."
 
Martz thinks TE means Tackle, Extra.
Exactly. VD is the 2nd best OT on the team, behind Joe Staley. Probably should have put him on Charles Grant more last week. :goodposting:I'm officially wrong. This preseason, I thought VD would be a monster this year. No way would Martz keep him in to block...no sir, Martz was a genius, he'd take his most athletically gifted player and make him a focal point of the offense.I was wrong.Martz is a TE killer. ;)
 
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Davis is a guy who looks all-world in OTAs & such. He's also one of those guys when the pads come on, he disappears. The reason? In short, he's just not a very good football player, IMO. He doesn't have the instincts to excel & he has questionable hands. Not a good combination.

Can he get better? I really don't know. I know I'd likely be selling if I could get anything of value. I haven't looked at his contract to see when he'll be a FA, but that's probably his only hope. That said, if he doesn't improve, it won't matter where he goes.

 
Davis is a guy who looks all-world in OTAs & such. He's also one of those guys when the pads come on, he disappears. The reason? In short, he's just not a very good football player, IMO. He doesn't have the instincts to excel & he has questionable hands. Not a good combination. Can he get better? I really don't know. I know I'd likely be selling if I could get anything of value. I haven't looked at his contract to see when he'll be a FA, but that's probably his only hope. That said, if he doesn't improve, it won't matter where he goes.
This is a matter of big ego by the coaches and mass immaturity on the part of VD. Quite frankly VD did very well to close last season, but 49ers insiders have been suggesting he is a disaster. A very odd situation indeed and for fantasy purposes, VD is off hte radar. I wouldnt be surprised if a different coach could turn him into a player though.
 
He just isn't that good. If he got his head screwed on straight and could catch the ball when it was thrown his way then he'd be a fantasy force. But...he's just not that good.

It breaks my heart to say that as a Niners fan.

 
Interview with Mike Nolan (I think it was on Monday)

Q: When you had that confrontation with Vernon Davis, can you talk a little bit about what that was?

Nolan: "I have not spoken with Vernon since yesterday and I'd look for him to-"

Q: Did you talk to him on the sideline?

Nolan: "I did not talk to him on the sideline with the game going on. He's very emotional. He was excited at the time. I really don't know what transpired at the time, but he was right there in front of me and was really excited about whatever was going on so I pulled him aside. Because any player that's in that kind of mode, I don't think is best to stay on the field. At that time, I just called him off. Obviously I grabbed him. I said, 'Look, sit down. Sit down and calm down.' I turned my attention back to the game because we were on the field. But I have not had words with him since. But I will."

Q: Do you plan to?

Nolan: "Oh yeah. But I haven't gotten-I just want to see what-To be honest with you, I don't understand why he was so excited at the time. He just caught the ball. He had gotten up. I don't know if it was a play prior to that one, but I just know that he had a lot of emotion going on. He is an emotional player. I know that Pete Hoener has always spoken with him. Mike Martz spoke with him on the sideline. Like I said, it was more emotion than anything else."

Q: Did he get back in the game?

Nolan: "Yeah, he got back in the game. He did, but he didn't do anything. At the time I pulled him, it was about emotion, it wasn't about, he had said something or done something. Why I grabbed him, he was emotional."

Q: Do you sense a growing level of frustration with him?

Nolan: "I don't know if I'd call it frustration. He's a very emotional player. When he gets the ball, obviously every time he gets up, whether it's the first quarter or the fourth quarter, he's very excited and shows himself, but when you are losing I think anybody gets frustrated. When the game is like it was, I don't care what position you play. It was a little bit of frustration because you want to have leverage in a game. We didn't have leverage."

Q: How was his blocking, Vernon's blocking?

Nolan: "His pass protection was good. His run blocking a couple times, they slipped him. So is the case."

Q: Did you have to keep him in at some point because of the protection problems

Nolan: "Like I said, we mix up our protections quite a bit. So whether it's a six man protection or seven man protection without getting real technical with that, he's stays in on some of those and some of those he's out. It's just a matter of mixing up protections for the play. If you have a play-action pass, a lot of times you don't have a lot of receivers out on a play-action pass. Again, it's just a matter of mixing."

Q: So you're not contemplating any changes?

Nolan: "We've talked about some different things, but kind of what you said, we're kind of limited in what you can."
:banned: Sounds like he talked to him to me.

 
It's guys like this that make me wonder how many picks were wasted because of the Combine. There is no stopwatch, or other device that measures heart.
:banned: It cracks me up how far scouting goes. I was reading something on here just last week about a player's butt size. No joke, they were saying he had good "bubble". Are you ####### kidding me? :lmao:Anyway, Vernon Davis is a specimen!
 
The 49ers' pass protection is probably the hottest issue facing the team through four games. The role of tight end Vernon Davis also ranks high on the list. These issues are related.

I just re-watched the 49ers' first 58 offensive plays against New Orleans to chart Davis' role in the offense.

Quarterback J.T. O'Sullivan completed 6 of 8 passes for 91 yards with two sacks on 10 plays with Davis helping in pass protection. O'Sullivan's passer rating was 112.0 on those eight passes. Davis blocked Saints defensive end Will Smith effectively enough on one of those sacks, but O'Sullivan held the ball too long and Smith chased him down across the field.

When Davis was not helping in pass protection, O'Sullivan completed 11 of 26 passes for 159 yards with one touchdown, two interceptions and four sacks. His rating on these plays was 43.6. [Note: Those stats do not count the final desperation drive, which was excluded from the 58-play sample.]

Watching this game made me think Davis was one of the best pass protectors on the team. He regularly blocked Smith and fellow defensive end Charles Grant, tough duty for any tight end. Davis was effective as a run blocker. During the third quarter, he blocked Smith twice and Grant twice on runs that gained 9, 9, 6 and 7 yards.

The broadcast video doesn't allow for analysis of route running, but Davis hasn't been known for polished routes or the surest hands. I think it's also fair to point out that offensive coordinator Mike Martz traditionally hasn't featured tight ends as receivers. And so Davis finished the game with one catch for 19 yards, on a screen, no less.
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The 49ers' pass protection is probably the hottest issue facing the team through four games. The role of tight end Vernon Davis also ranks high on the list. These issues are related.

I just re-watched the 49ers' first 58 offensive plays against New Orleans to chart Davis' role in the offense.

Quarterback J.T. O'Sullivan completed 6 of 8 passes for 91 yards with two sacks on 10 plays with Davis helping in pass protection. O'Sullivan's passer rating was 112.0 on those eight passes. Davis blocked Saints defensive end Will Smith effectively enough on one of those sacks, but O'Sullivan held the ball too long and Smith chased him down across the field.

When Davis was not helping in pass protection, O'Sullivan completed 11 of 26 passes for 159 yards with one touchdown, two interceptions and four sacks. His rating on these plays was 43.6. [Note: Those stats do not count the final desperation drive, which was excluded from the 58-play sample.]

Watching this game made me think Davis was one of the best pass protectors on the team. He regularly blocked Smith and fellow defensive end Charles Grant, tough duty for any tight end. Davis was effective as a run blocker. During the third quarter, he blocked Smith twice and Grant twice on runs that gained 9, 9, 6 and 7 yards.

The broadcast video doesn't allow for analysis of route running, but Davis hasn't been known for polished routes or the surest hands. I think it's also fair to point out that offensive coordinator Mike Martz traditionally hasn't featured tight ends as receivers. And so Davis finished the game with one catch for 19 yards, on a screen, no less.
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Was hoping after his gimme the ball fit maybe they listen but this isn't promising.
 
Maybe I'm just being devil's advocate here, but I don't think the fault lies entirely with Davis...

I watched the game about 7 rows behind the niners bench, and it's becoming more and more apparent that Nolan is just simply NOT A GOOD COACH. Yea sure, he wants "Nolan-type" lunchpail guys to play for him, but who doesn't? IMO part of the job of a head coach is to be able to relate to all types of players and knowing how to use them in the best situations. Nolan's my-way-or-the-highway approach was acceptable when he first started, but now after 3 straight losing seasons it's starting to wear thin on not only on the fans but apparently on the players as well.

The game was already out of hand by the time Nolan effectively benched Davis, after he had caught a short pass and ran over a couple of defenders. So what does he get in return? The bench. Every niners fan in my immediate vicinity was like WTF?!?!? Sorry but it's immediately obvious to me that blueballing Davis when he's fired up in that situation is only going to add to his frustration. Yea Nolan was probably sending a message, but at what cost? So we have a team full of upstanding guys... who cares if we're losing? The cowboys are almost universally regarded as the best team in the NFL right now... yet no one really makes a hoot about how they've brought in alot of headcase character issue guys.

The guy just doesn't know how to adapt. He can't adapt his philosophy towards the game to personalities outside of his comfort zone, and he sure as hell can't adapt in game time situations, and it gets all the more obvious as the team increases in talent and yet continues to mire in mediocrity.

 

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