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Very Early QB Rankings (FF) (1 Viewer)

Dolfan

Footballguy
1. Peyton Manning, IND2. Marc Bulger, STL3. Jake Plummer, DEN4. Eli Manning, NYG5. Trent Green, KC6. Jake Delhomme, CAR7. Tom Brady, NE8. Matt Hasselbeck, SEA9. Donovan McNabb, PHI10. Aaron Brooks, OAK11. Brett Favre, GB12. Michael Vick, ATL13. Drew Bledsoe, DAL14. David Carr, HOU15. Byron Leftwich, JAX16. Ben Roethlisberger, PIT17. Charlie Frye, CLE18. Kurt Warner, AZ19. Chris Simms, TB20. Daunte Culpepper, MIA21. Carson Palmer, CIN22. J.P. Losman, BUF23. Drew Brees, NO24. Philip Rivers, SD25. Alex Smith, SF
Culpepper and Palmer are ranked based on 12 starts each. If you expect them to play a full, healthy season, they would be ranked 4th and 8th respectively (only 4 fantasy points separate 4th and 8th on my list)...Thoughts/Comments???
 

Texasmouth

Footballguy
Vick much lower.

McNabb higher.

Aaron Brooks could be the SOTD.

Who the hell are the ones below Alex Smith?

 

Texasmouth

Footballguy
18. Kurt Warner, AZ

IF he stays healthy, this could end up much higher.
That is a big if but I agree. He will end up in the top 5 in my opinion. The division isn't strong and they have one of the most talented offenses in the NFL. Could be a big season for Warner.
 

Texasmouth

Footballguy
Just curious why Bledsoe without TO ranked 6th but with TO ranks 13th.
Feel the hate.I am getting bored trying to defend Bledsoe all the time. He was solid last season, especially before Flozell went down. Bledsoe is going to prove a lot of people wrong this season.

 

Dolfan

Footballguy
Vick much lower.

I'll have to look at this. I think I have a real high number for rushing yards for him that I'll probably end up lowering. I basically just looked at what I projected going into last year versus what they actually did last year and kind of took an average. I think I had an outrageously high rushing yards total for Vick coming into last year and he didn't end up close to it....

McNabb higher.

I don't like ANY of his receivers and I think their running game can be controlled. Not a fan of McNabb this year..

Aaron Brooks could be the SOTD.

I agree..

Who the hell are the ones below Alex Smith?

LOL... Just the teams where I'm not sure yet who the starting QB is going to be.. I do think Alex Smith will turn out to be an adequete NFL starter though -- better than Kyle Boller -- on the level with Trent Dilfer..
 

Dolfan

Footballguy
18. Kurt Warner, AZ

IF he stays healthy, this could end up much higher.
I like Warner a lot too, so he'll probably end up moving up a lot between now and August.I am worried that with Edge, the focus on offense will shift away from the passing game a bit...

 

Dolfan

Footballguy
Just curious why Bledsoe without TO ranked 6th but with TO ranks 13th.
Not sure -- I think his fantasy points I have him projected for aren't far off from what he got last year -- like I said, only 4 points seperate 4th from 8th on my list...Some things to consider:

Loss of production from Keyshawn Johnson...

Another year older...

Loss of Larry Allen...

Nobody expected him to be the 6th fantasy QB going into last year -- would be due for a little bit of a regression this year if it weren't for TO...

 
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Texasmouth

Footballguy
Vick much lower.

McNabb higher.

I don't like ANY of his receivers and I think their running game can be controlled.  Not a fan of McNabb this year..
Normally I would agree but mcNabb has only had one full year of T.O. before that he never had a decent receiver ont he team. I like Reggie Brown to be even better this year. Stinkston will be back. Mcnabb has never really relied on his receivers to make the plays, his TE will be huge and Westy is more important to the passing game than he is the ground game. I think McNabb will surprise.
 

Texasmouth

Footballguy
Just curious why Bledsoe without TO ranked 6th but with TO ranks 13th.
Not sure -- I think his fantasy points I have him projected for aren't far off from what he got last year -- like I said, only 4 points seperate 4th from 8th on my list...Some things to consider:

Loss of production from Keyshawn Johnson...

Another year older...

Loss of Larry Allen...

Nobody expected him to be the 6th fantasy QB going into last year -- would be due for a little bit of a regression this year if it weren't for TO...
No loss of production going from Key to T.O.Last season Bledsoe lost Crayton as well, Crayton has great hands and is a solid #3 receiver. T.O. opens up the whole field for the others. Terry Glenn will really benefit.

Losing larry allen means very little. He was well past his prime the last couple of years. His leadership in the locker room may be missed but he has been making the pro bowl off of name recognition alone the last few seasons. He has been replaced anyway. The tackles will be much better as well which will also free up Witten to go back to being a pass catching TE.

I know I am a huge homer but I think Bledsoe is really going to prove a lot of people wrong this year. He has the most talent around him that he has ever had and he will have a solid line protecting him. Much better than last season and he did pretty good last season. Before flozell went down, he was a top five fantasy QB and Glenn was in the top three.

 

Dolfan

Footballguy
Vick much lower.

McNabb higher.

I don't like ANY of his receivers and I think their running game can be controlled.  Not a fan of McNabb this year..
Normally I would agree but mcNabb has only had one full year of T.O. before that he never had a decent receiver ont he team. I like Reggie Brown to be even better this year. Stinkston will be back. Mcnabb has never really relied on his receivers to make the plays, his TE will be huge and Westy is more important to the passing game than he is the ground game. I think McNabb will surprise.
You are right -- I'll have to go back and look more closely at his stats prior to TO..I also think he will be healthy this year (he absolutely was not for most of last year) and will have a bit of a chip on his shoulder..

I may move him up quite a bit..

 

Texasmouth

Footballguy
A couple more things I am not sure if i agree about.......

Marc Bulger. I think this team will go to a more traditional type offense with less passing and more running and clock control. This defense will be better this year even though people are over looking them and the Rams won't have to pass 56 times a game.

David Carr interests me as well. With Eric Moulds there and Kubiak organizing the offensive line, Carr could flourish, maybe even break the top ten. I know, everyone is going to say I am crazy but I have a feeling about this team. Kubiak is a wizard at getting the most out of linemen. If the Texans do end up drafting Bush, they could have a nice cast around Carr.

Charlie Frye is no gaurantee to beat out Dilfer. even if he does....ahead of Warner? Ahead of Simms? I am going to have to go ahead and disagree with you there Bob.

 

ooofffaaa

Footballguy
CPepp at #20 is ridiculously low?

He'll have Chambers, McMichael, Ronnie Brown and possibly Ricky at his disposal. With an improving Oline coming into it's 2nd year under Houck he'll be protected.

 

JAA

Footballguy
I dont see a reason to have Plummer up that high. Otherwise it seems pretty reasonable

 

Dolfan

Footballguy
A couple more things I am not sure if i agree about.......

Marc Bulger. I think this team will go to a more traditional type offense with less passing and more running and clock control. This defense will be better this year even though people are over looking them and the Rams won't have to pass 56 times a game.

David Carr interests me as well. With Eric Moulds there and Kubiak organizing the offensive line, Carr could flourish, maybe even break the top ten. I know, everyone is going to say I am crazy but I have a feeling about this team. Kubiak is a wizard at getting the most out of linemen. If the Texans do end up drafting Bush, they could have a nice cast around Carr.

Charlie Frye is no gaurantee to beat out Dilfer. even if he does....ahead of Warner? Ahead of Simms? I am going to have to go ahead and disagree with you there Bob.
Linehan can say whatever he wants, but when game-time comes around, he likes to throw the ball. The passing game is still the strength of this offense IMO..I like the weapons Carr will have in Houston. Now if only he had some talent... Hmmm.. Carr is a younger version of Rob Johnson IMO and until he proves me otherwise, he will be ranked as such in my rankings...

As for Charlie Frye -- see my next post Steve..

 

Bri

Footballguy
CPepp at #20 is ridiculously low?

He'll have Chambers, McMichael, Ronnie Brown and possibly Ricky at his disposal. With an improving Oline coming into it's 2nd year under Houck he'll be protected.
Fins haven't had a stud FF QB since Marino was young-ish right? Run alot?Original poster is a big Fins fan so that ranking is pretty interesting

 

Dolfan

Footballguy
CPepp at #20 is ridiculously low?

He'll have Chambers, McMichael, Ronnie Brown and possibly Ricky at his disposal. With an improving Oline coming into it's 2nd year under Houck he'll be protected.
From my original post:

Culpepper and Palmer are ranked based on 12 starts each. If you expect them to play a full, healthy season, [Culpepper] would be ranked 4th....
 

ooofffaaa

Footballguy
CPepp at #20 is ridiculously low?

He'll have Chambers, McMichael, Ronnie Brown and possibly Ricky at his disposal. With an improving Oline coming into it's 2nd year under Houck he'll be protected.
From my original post:

Culpepper and Palmer are ranked based on 12 starts each. If you expect them to play a full, healthy season, [Culpepper] would be ranked 4th....
Gotcha.Missed that the first time.

 

Dolfan

Footballguy
I dont see a reason to have Plummer up that high. Otherwise it seems pretty reasonable
I'm not sure how Plummer came out so high...Maybe because he reminds me of the Mountaineer guy?

 

Bri

Footballguy
like Frye eh?
YES!!!
Why though?I see Reuben as the only guy on that O that brings some sorta solidarity or consistency. Their TEs are gone(I think) and only Winslow is left. Their young guys just seem to always get hurt to me.

I thought Shelton walked and they were looking for a T. Planning on one of the rookie Ts named Winston holding the fort?(draft) Doesn't a year or less T, TE, and QB= a bunch of "oops" sacks while they learn?

 

Slinger

Footballguy
Thanks for sharing this. I think Chris Simms and Aaron Brooks should trade places on your list. Also, Green a little lower, Bledsoe a little higher, but other than that I agree with you.

 

Gargoylez

Footballguy
2.  Marc Bulger, STL

- I disagree. The loss of pass happy Martz is HUGE. I would knock down pass attempts by about 15% IMO. Still a good #1, but I dont think he will get the gawdy stats he did in the past.

3.  Jake Plummer, DEN

-I just don't see it. You could be very well right but I can't put Plummer past #7 or #8.

4.  Eli Manning, NYG

-Never in a million years. He will be a marginal #1 FF starter if that!

5.  Trent Green, KC

-He should be higher up the scale IMO. #3 or #4.

8.  Matt Hasselbeck, SEA

-I don't see Bulger, Plummer and Manning doing better then Hasselbeck.

9.  Donovan McNabb, PHI

-Tough call here. Could go either way. I dont know if I could rate him anywhere.

10.  Aaron Brooks, OAK

-LMAO! I don't even think he wills tart this year. If they get their hands on Young (not probable) OR actually give Walter a chance... Brooks is backup material, period.

11.  Brett Favre, GB

-If he comes back, he will be higher then this. Top 8 IMO.

12.  Michael Vick, ATL

-Adding in rushing TD's, Vick seemed to mature towards the end of the year, doing better. I would put him #9 or #10.

13.  Drew Bledsoe, DAL

-I cant stand this goofy ### statue mfer. But with owens you have to respect the arm. Bledsoe is minimally a #6 right now.

18.  Kurt Warner, AZ

-With a real running game and two unbeleivable targets... Warner will be a solid #1 QB IMO. IF he stays healthy. He deserves the range of 6-9.

19.  Chris Simms, TB

-Unfortunately about right on SImms. A good NFL QB but not so much Fantasy wise.

23.  Drew Brees, NO

-Your biggest flaw. A Pro-bowler like BRees with Horn and McCalister... and you have Brooks, mind of mush, rated 13 spots higher? ummm... no.

My Prelims.

1. Peyton Manning, IND

2. Matt Hasselbeck, SEA

3. Trent Green, KC

4. Marc Bulger, STL

5. Jake Plummer, DEN

6. Daunte Culpepper, MIA

7. Drew Bledsoe, DAL

8. Brett Favre, GB

9. Kurt Warner, AZ

10. Jake Delhomme, CAR

11. Michael Vick, ATL

12. Tom Brady, NE

13. Drew Brees, NO

14. Eli Manning, NYG

15. Donovan McNabb, PHI

16. David Carr, HOU

17. Byron Leftwich, JAX

18. Ben Roethlisberger, PIT

19. Charlie Frye, CLE

20. Chris Simms, TB

21. Carson Palmer, CIN * He jets up the chart when he is healthy.

22. Aaron Brooks, OAK

23. J.P. Losman, BUF

24. Philip Rivers, SD

25. Alex Smith, SF

 
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Texasmouth

Footballguy
Interesting comments on Aaron Brooks. maybe you two guys bashing Brooks should look up his numbers from the past when he WASNT playing with Moss, Porter and Lamont Jordan...

1563/2771 19156 Yards 56.4 Comp % 120 Touchdowns 84 Int

4 Season with 3500+ yards 2 with 3800+ yards

With the exception of last year he also had 4 straight seasons with 20+ TD

 

Bri

Footballguy
Been a while for rankings? news slow? I don't know why but this was esp interesting. Thanks Dolfan

 

Dolfan

Footballguy
like Frye eh?
YES!!!
Why though?I see Reuben as the only guy on that O that brings some sorta solidarity or consistency. Their TEs are gone(I think) and only Winslow is left. Their young guys just seem to always get hurt to me.

I thought Shelton walked and they were looking for a T. Planning on one of the rookie Ts named Winston holding the fort?(draft) Doesn't a year or less T, TE, and QB= a bunch of "oops" sacks while they learn?
I don't know :shrug: I've seen him play and I think he just has that "it" factor.. I think he will turn out to be a really special QB..

I'll agree that I might be putting too much faith in Winslow and Edwards coming back healthy and playing to potential though...

 

GreedoShotFirst

Footballguy
so Mark Brunell, who was as hot as any QB in the league for half the season, and ended up as a borderline QB1, has added ARE and Brandon Lloyd and doesn't make the top 25?? :rolleyes:

 

Dolfan

Footballguy
2.  Marc Bulger, STL

- I disagree. The loss of pass happy Martz is HUGE. I would knock down pass attempts by about 15% IMO. Still a good #1, but I dont think he will get the gawdy stats he did in the past.

3.  Jake Plummer, DEN

-I just don't see it. You could be very well right but I can't put Plummer past #7 or #8.

4.  Eli Manning, NYG

-Never in a million years. He will be a marginal #1 FF starter if that!

5.  Trent Green, KC

-He should be higher up the scale IMO. #3 or #4.

8.  Matt Hasselbeck, SEA

-I don't see Bulger, Plummer and Manning doing better then Hasselbeck.

9.  Donovan McNabb, PHI

-Tough call here. Could go either way. I dont know if I could rate him anywhere.

10.  Aaron Brooks, OAK

-LMAO! I don't even think he wills tart this year. If they get their hands on Young (not probable) OR actually give Walter a chance... Brooks is backup material, period.

11.  Brett Favre, GB

-If he comes back, he will be higher then this. Top 8 IMO.

12.  Michael Vick, ATL

-Adding in rushing TD's, Vick seemed to mature towards the end of the year, doing better. I would put him #9 or #10.

13.  Drew Bledsoe, DAL

-I cant stand this goofy ### statue mfer. But with owens you have to respect the arm. Bledsoe is minimally a #6 right now.

18.  Kurt Warner, AZ

-With a real running game and two unbeleivable targets... Warner will be a solid #1 QB IMO. IF he stays healthy. He deserves the range of 6-9.

19.  Chris Simms, TB

-Unfortunately about right on SImms. A good NFL QB but not so much Fantasy wise.

23.  Drew Brees, NO

-Your biggest flaw. A Pro-bowler like BRees with Horn and McCalister... and you have Brooks, mind of mush, rated 13 spots higher? ummm... no.

My Prelims.

1. Peyton Manning, IND

2. Matt Hasselbeck, SEA

3. Trent Green, KC

4. Marc Bulger, STL

5. Jake Plummer, DEN

6. Daunte Culpepper, MIA

7. Drew Bledsoe, DAL

8. Brett Favre, GB

9. Kurt Warner, AZ

10. Jake Delhomme, CAR

11. Michael Vick, ATL

12. Tom Brady, NE

13. Drew Brees, NO

14. Eli Manning, NYG

15. Donovan McNabb, PHI

16. David Carr, HOU

17. Byron Leftwich, JAX

18. Ben Roethlisberger, PIT

19. Charlie Frye, CLE

20. Chris Simms, TB

21. Carson Palmer, CIN * He jets up the chart when he is healthy.

22. Aaron Brooks, OAK

23. J.P. Losman, BUF

24. Philip Rivers, SD

25. Alex Smith, SF
Your list looks good to. ?Some things I disagree with, but good overall..Mine was very preliminary -- it will change A LOT between now and August -- hell, it has already changed a little since I posted it this morning ;)

One thing I would like to point out, and I know I've said it a few times already -- it's just your comment on Hasselbeck kind of irked me -- there is only 4 fantasy points between 4th (Eli) and 8th (Hass) on my list. 4 POINTS!!

 

Class Dismissed

Footballguy
Considering no more Betttis.

Considering the lack of a running game in the Playoffs

Considering the Steelers and their desire to Throw first, Run Second Attack, which led to 3 successive Road Playoff wins.

I would say that Ben Rothelisberger is underrated in regards to fantasy points.

 
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Dolfan

Footballguy
Interesting comments on Aaron Brooks. maybe you two guys bashing Brooks should look up his numbers from the past when he WASNT playing with Moss, Porter and Lamont Jordan...

1563/2771 19156 Yards 56.4 Comp % 120 Touchdowns 84 Int

4 Season with 3500+ yards 2 with 3800+ yards

With the exception of last year he also had 4 straight seasons with 20+ TD
:goodposting:
 

Dolfan

Footballguy
so Mark Brunell, who was as hot as any QB in the league for half the season, and ended up as a borderline QB1, has added ARE and Brandon Lloyd and doesn't make the top 25?? :rolleyes:
THIS JUST IN:Mark Brunell will miss training camp this year due to sitting at home trying to figure out the new Medicare prescription drug plan...

 

Bri

Footballguy
Interesting comments on Aaron Brooks. maybe you two guys bashing Brooks should look up his numbers from the past when he WASNT playing with Moss, Porter and Lamont Jordan...

1563/2771 19156 Yards 56.4 Comp % 120 Touchdowns 84 Int

4 Season with 3500+ yards 2 with 3800+ yards

With the exception of last year he also had 4 straight seasons with 20+ TD
:goodposting:
Unless there's some youngster getting his feet wet, AFC West QBs are close to a lock for good #s. Fierce rivalries for high powerred Os....it just seems to work out that way in the end.
 

Bri

Footballguy
so Mark Brunell, who was as hot as any QB in the league for half the season, and ended up as a borderline QB1, has added ARE and Brandon Lloyd and doesn't make the top 25?? :rolleyes:
They're not good WRs yet. Gibbs and his boys are going to have to coach them some, fine tune their games a bit. Has either had a 1000 yard season yet? How many balls are left after Cooley and Moss? I would expect they do far better after the first few weeks and that Gibbs uses one of em' to exploit "this or that" on a D one week and the next that player's stats are relatively low. I don't see an 80s style Gibbs O with 3 solid WRs. To me their more like options for Gibbs than an integral part of their O.Saunders WR2 with the Chiefs also supports this notion IIRC

ETA they're good. I mean.....not great? not...poor word choice

 
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Slinger

Footballguy
Interesting comments on Aaron Brooks. maybe you two guys bashing Brooks should look up his numbers from the past when he WASNT playing with Moss, Porter and Lamont Jordan...
I looked up the numbers and studied them before I went to bed every night for the last 3 months. He still won't be a top 10 QB this year. How did Kerry Collins do last year with Moss and Porter (who's overrated) and Jordan?I've watched many Saints games in recent years and I just don't see Brooks being a top 10 guy this year.

I hope he's not your #1 QB.

 

Bri

Footballguy
Interesting comments on Aaron Brooks. maybe you two guys bashing Brooks should look up his numbers from the past when he WASNT playing with Moss, Porter and Lamont Jordan...
I looked up the numbers and studied them before I went to bed every night for the last 3 months. He still won't be a top 10 QB this year. How did Kerry Collins do last year with Moss and Porter (who's overrated) and Jordan?
Collins seemed to have a different starting WR set each week due to injuries. We've had the Porter debates here. I don't care for him and alot of folks here love the guy. I think they'd be better off without him and that the 2 young WRs would do real well in Moss' shadow.
 

David Yudkin

Footballguy
Interesting comments on Aaron Brooks. maybe you two guys bashing Brooks should look up his numbers from the past when he WASNT playing with Moss, Porter and Lamont Jordan...
I looked up the numbers and studied them before I went to bed every night for the last 3 months. He still won't be a top 10 QB this year. How did Kerry Collins do last year with Moss and Porter (who's overrated) and Jordan?I've watched many Saints games in recent years and I just don't see Brooks being a top 10 guy this year.

I hope he's not your #1 QB.
Collins ranked 8th in ppg last year with Moss banged up most of the year.
 

Slinger

Footballguy
Interesting comments on Aaron Brooks. maybe you two guys bashing Brooks should look up his numbers from the past when he WASNT playing with Moss, Porter and Lamont Jordan...
I looked up the numbers and studied them before I went to bed every night for the last 3 months. He still won't be a top 10 QB this year. How did Kerry Collins do last year with Moss and Porter (who's overrated) and Jordan?I've watched many Saints games in recent years and I just don't see Brooks being a top 10 guy this year.

I hope he's not your #1 QB.
Collins ranked 8th in ppg last year with Moss banged up most of the year.
:bag: Well whatever, Brooks is no Collins.

 

Scorehoard

Footballguy
1. Manning

2. Hasselback

3. Green

4. Culpepper

5. Bulger

6. McNabb

7. Plummer

8. Brooks

9. Brady

10. Bledsoe

11. Delhomme

12. Warner

13. Manning

14. Roethlisberger

15. Vick

16. Leftwich

17. Carr

18. Simms

19. Griese

20. Favre this is due to the up in the air situation

**** Palmer is in top 10 if healthy

 

Garts

Footballguy
1. Manning

2. Hasselback

3. Green

4. Culpepper

5. Bulger

6. McNabb

7. Plummer

8. Brooks

9. Brady

10. Bledsoe

11. Delhomme

12. Warner

13. Manning

14. Roethlisberger

15. Vick

16. Leftwich

17. Carr

18. Simms

19. Griese

20. Favre this is due to the up in the air situation

**** Palmer is in top 10 if healthy
No Drew Brees?
 

David Yudkin

Footballguy
Interesting comments on Aaron Brooks. maybe you two guys bashing Brooks should look up his numbers from the past when he WASNT playing with Moss, Porter and Lamont Jordan...
I looked up the numbers and studied them before I went to bed every night for the last 3 months. He still won't be a top 10 QB this year. How did Kerry Collins do last year with Moss and Porter (who's overrated) and Jordan?I've watched many Saints games in recent years and I just don't see Brooks being a top 10 guy this year.

I hope he's not your #1 QB.
Collins ranked 8th in ppg last year with Moss banged up most of the year.
:bag: Well whatever, Brooks is no Collins.
I'd be interested to hear in any statistical facet of the game how Collins has ever been better than Brooks prior to last year. I'm not a fan of either, personally, but Brooks > Collins up until last year.And it should also be pointed out that the Raiders have not once declared Brooks the starter in Oakland (at least not yet) and have only indicated that he will compete for the job. I'd say that he's a heavy favorite to win the starting gig, but it's not etched in stone.

 

Q-Bert

Footballguy
First off, I want to thank you for putting your rankings out for people to look at and give us something interesting to talk about. I think the most important thing in your post is that there is only a 4 point difference between #4 and #8. My list is very similar. I have pretty much the same guys you do in the 2-14 range just in a completely different order. But again, they are so close it almost doesn't matter what order you have them in.

A couple of your rankings did jump out though. Ben Roethlisberger and Drew Brees seem too low to me and Charlie Frye seems way to high. Plus, I really like your David Carr ranking. He seems like a perfect QBBC candidate. Not someone you want to hang your hopes on but he sure has a lot of weapons. Upgrades at TE, WR#2, RB, and Coach. I know this sounds a lot like Joey Harrington the last two years but he shouldn't cost much and could really pay off big.

1.  Peyton Manning, IND

2.  Marc Bulger, STL

3.  Jake Plummer, DEN

4.  Eli Manning, NYG

5.  Trent Green, KC

6.  Jake Delhomme, CAR

7.  Tom Brady, NE

8.  Matt Hasselbeck, SEA

9.  Donovan McNabb, PHI

10.  Aaron Brooks, OAK

11.  Brett Favre, GB

12.  Michael Vick, ATL

13.  Drew Bledsoe, DAL

14.  David Carr, HOU

15.  Byron Leftwich, JAX

16.  Ben Roethlisberger, PIT

17.  Charlie Frye, CLE

18.  Kurt Warner, AZ

19.  Chris Simms, TB

20.  Daunte Culpepper, MIA

21.  Carson Palmer, CIN

22.  J.P. Losman, BUF

23.  Drew Brees, NO

24.  Philip Rivers, SD

25.  Alex Smith, SF
Culpepper and Palmer are ranked based on 12 starts each. If you expect them to play a full, healthy season, they would be ranked 4th and 8th respectively (only 4 fantasy points separate 4th and 8th on my list)...Thoughts/Comments???
 

CA_7

Footballguy
I love that so many people are lowering Vick's ranking this year. He was top 10 in most of my leagues and in theory he should only get better with more experience. If you can handcuff him with Schuab I think he will be great value this year.

I have never liked him until this year.

 

RBM

Footballguy
1. Peyton Manning, IND

2. Marc Bulger, STL

3. Jake Plummer, DEN

4. Eli Manning, NYG

5. Trent Green, KC

6. Jake Delhomme, CAR

7. Tom Brady, NE

8. Matt Hasselbeck, SEA

9. Donovan McNabb, PHI

10. Aaron Brooks, OAK

11. Brett Favre, GB

12. Michael Vick, ATL

13. Drew Bledsoe, DAL

14. David Carr, HOU

15. Byron Leftwich, JAX

16. Ben Roethlisberger, PIT

17. Charlie Frye, CLE

18. Kurt Warner, AZ

19. Chris Simms, TB

20. Daunte Culpepper, MIA

21. Carson Palmer, CIN

22. J.P. Losman, BUF

23. Drew Brees, NO

24. Philip Rivers, SD

25. Alex Smith, SF
Switch Bulger and Brady
 

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