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Very Early QB Rankings (FF) (1 Viewer)
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fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Plummer at #3 makes me cry.
Texasmouth
Footballguy
Vick much lower.
McNabb higher.
Aaron Brooks could be the SOTD.
Who the hell are the ones below Alex Smith?
McNabb higher.
Aaron Brooks could be the SOTD.
Who the hell are the ones below Alex Smith?
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
18. Kurt Warner, AZ
IF he stays healthy, this could end up much higher.
IF he stays healthy, this could end up much higher.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Just curious why Bledsoe without TO ranked 6th but with TO ranks 13th.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
Where's Craig Nall???
Texasmouth
Footballguy
That is a big if but I agree. He will end up in the top 5 in my opinion. The division isn't strong and they have one of the most talented offenses in the NFL. Could be a big season for Warner.
Texasmouth
Footballguy
Feel the hate.I am getting bored trying to defend Bledsoe all the time. He was solid last season, especially before Flozell went down. Bledsoe is going to prove a lot of people wrong this season.
Dolfan
Footballguy
Not sure -- I think his fantasy points I have him projected for aren't far off from what he got last year -- like I said, only 4 points seperate 4th from 8th on my list...Some things to consider:
Loss of production from Keyshawn Johnson...
Another year older...
Loss of Larry Allen...
Nobody expected him to be the 6th fantasy QB going into last year -- would be due for a little bit of a regression this year if it weren't for TO...
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Texasmouth
Footballguy
Normally I would agree but mcNabb has only had one full year of T.O. before that he never had a decent receiver ont he team. I like Reggie Brown to be even better this year. Stinkston will be back. Mcnabb has never really relied on his receivers to make the plays, his TE will be huge and Westy is more important to the passing game than he is the ground game. I think McNabb will surprise.
Texasmouth
Footballguy
No loss of production going from Key to T.O.Last season Bledsoe lost Crayton as well, Crayton has great hands and is a solid #3 receiver. T.O. opens up the whole field for the others. Terry Glenn will really benefit.
Losing larry allen means very little. He was well past his prime the last couple of years. His leadership in the locker room may be missed but he has been making the pro bowl off of name recognition alone the last few seasons. He has been replaced anyway. The tackles will be much better as well which will also free up Witten to go back to being a pass catching TE.
I know I am a huge homer but I think Bledsoe is really going to prove a lot of people wrong this year. He has the most talent around him that he has ever had and he will have a solid line protecting him. Much better than last season and he did pretty good last season. Before flozell went down, he was a top five fantasy QB and Glenn was in the top three.
Texasmouth
Footballguy
A couple more things I am not sure if i agree about.......
Marc Bulger. I think this team will go to a more traditional type offense with less passing and more running and clock control. This defense will be better this year even though people are over looking them and the Rams won't have to pass 56 times a game.
David Carr interests me as well. With Eric Moulds there and Kubiak organizing the offensive line, Carr could flourish, maybe even break the top ten. I know, everyone is going to say I am crazy but I have a feeling about this team. Kubiak is a wizard at getting the most out of linemen. If the Texans do end up drafting Bush, they could have a nice cast around Carr.
Charlie Frye is no gaurantee to beat out Dilfer. even if he does....ahead of Warner? Ahead of Simms? I am going to have to go ahead and disagree with you there Bob.
Marc Bulger. I think this team will go to a more traditional type offense with less passing and more running and clock control. This defense will be better this year even though people are over looking them and the Rams won't have to pass 56 times a game.
David Carr interests me as well. With Eric Moulds there and Kubiak organizing the offensive line, Carr could flourish, maybe even break the top ten. I know, everyone is going to say I am crazy but I have a feeling about this team. Kubiak is a wizard at getting the most out of linemen. If the Texans do end up drafting Bush, they could have a nice cast around Carr.
Charlie Frye is no gaurantee to beat out Dilfer. even if he does....ahead of Warner? Ahead of Simms? I am going to have to go ahead and disagree with you there Bob.
Dolfan
Footballguy
Linehan can say whatever he wants, but when game-time comes around, he likes to throw the ball. The passing game is still the strength of this offense IMO..I like the weapons Carr will have in Houston. Now if only he had some talent... Hmmm.. Carr is a younger version of Rob Johnson IMO and until he proves me otherwise, he will be ranked as such in my rankings...
As for Charlie Frye -- see my next post Steve..
Why though?I see Reuben as the only guy on that O that brings some sorta solidarity or consistency. Their TEs are gone(I think) and only Winslow is left. Their young guys just seem to always get hurt to me.
I thought Shelton walked and they were looking for a T. Planning on one of the rookie Ts named Winston holding the fort?(draft) Doesn't a year or less T, TE, and QB= a bunch of "oops" sacks while they learn?
Gargoylez
Footballguy
2. Marc Bulger, STL
- I disagree. The loss of pass happy Martz is HUGE. I would knock down pass attempts by about 15% IMO. Still a good #1, but I dont think he will get the gawdy stats he did in the past.
3. Jake Plummer, DEN
-I just don't see it. You could be very well right but I can't put Plummer past #7 or #8.
4. Eli Manning, NYG
-Never in a million years. He will be a marginal #1 FF starter if that!
5. Trent Green, KC
-He should be higher up the scale IMO. #3 or #4.
8. Matt Hasselbeck, SEA
-I don't see Bulger, Plummer and Manning doing better then Hasselbeck.
9. Donovan McNabb, PHI
-Tough call here. Could go either way. I dont know if I could rate him anywhere.
10. Aaron Brooks, OAK
-LMAO! I don't even think he wills tart this year. If they get their hands on Young (not probable) OR actually give Walter a chance... Brooks is backup material, period.
11. Brett Favre, GB
-If he comes back, he will be higher then this. Top 8 IMO.
12. Michael Vick, ATL
-Adding in rushing TD's, Vick seemed to mature towards the end of the year, doing better. I would put him #9 or #10.
13. Drew Bledsoe, DAL
-I cant stand this goofy ### statue mfer. But with owens you have to respect the arm. Bledsoe is minimally a #6 right now.
18. Kurt Warner, AZ
-With a real running game and two unbeleivable targets... Warner will be a solid #1 QB IMO. IF he stays healthy. He deserves the range of 6-9.
19. Chris Simms, TB
-Unfortunately about right on SImms. A good NFL QB but not so much Fantasy wise.
23. Drew Brees, NO
-Your biggest flaw. A Pro-bowler like BRees with Horn and McCalister... and you have Brooks, mind of mush, rated 13 spots higher? ummm... no.
My Prelims.
1. Peyton Manning, IND
2. Matt Hasselbeck, SEA
3. Trent Green, KC
4. Marc Bulger, STL
5. Jake Plummer, DEN
6. Daunte Culpepper, MIA
7. Drew Bledsoe, DAL
8. Brett Favre, GB
9. Kurt Warner, AZ
10. Jake Delhomme, CAR
11. Michael Vick, ATL
12. Tom Brady, NE
13. Drew Brees, NO
14. Eli Manning, NYG
15. Donovan McNabb, PHI
16. David Carr, HOU
17. Byron Leftwich, JAX
18. Ben Roethlisberger, PIT
19. Charlie Frye, CLE
20. Chris Simms, TB
21. Carson Palmer, CIN * He jets up the chart when he is healthy.
22. Aaron Brooks, OAK
23. J.P. Losman, BUF
24. Philip Rivers, SD
25. Alex Smith, SF
- I disagree. The loss of pass happy Martz is HUGE. I would knock down pass attempts by about 15% IMO. Still a good #1, but I dont think he will get the gawdy stats he did in the past.
3. Jake Plummer, DEN
-I just don't see it. You could be very well right but I can't put Plummer past #7 or #8.
4. Eli Manning, NYG
-Never in a million years. He will be a marginal #1 FF starter if that!
5. Trent Green, KC
-He should be higher up the scale IMO. #3 or #4.
8. Matt Hasselbeck, SEA
-I don't see Bulger, Plummer and Manning doing better then Hasselbeck.
9. Donovan McNabb, PHI
-Tough call here. Could go either way. I dont know if I could rate him anywhere.
10. Aaron Brooks, OAK
-LMAO! I don't even think he wills tart this year. If they get their hands on Young (not probable) OR actually give Walter a chance... Brooks is backup material, period.
11. Brett Favre, GB
-If he comes back, he will be higher then this. Top 8 IMO.
12. Michael Vick, ATL
-Adding in rushing TD's, Vick seemed to mature towards the end of the year, doing better. I would put him #9 or #10.
13. Drew Bledsoe, DAL
-I cant stand this goofy ### statue mfer. But with owens you have to respect the arm. Bledsoe is minimally a #6 right now.
18. Kurt Warner, AZ
-With a real running game and two unbeleivable targets... Warner will be a solid #1 QB IMO. IF he stays healthy. He deserves the range of 6-9.
19. Chris Simms, TB
-Unfortunately about right on SImms. A good NFL QB but not so much Fantasy wise.
23. Drew Brees, NO
-Your biggest flaw. A Pro-bowler like BRees with Horn and McCalister... and you have Brooks, mind of mush, rated 13 spots higher? ummm... no.
My Prelims.
1. Peyton Manning, IND
2. Matt Hasselbeck, SEA
3. Trent Green, KC
4. Marc Bulger, STL
5. Jake Plummer, DEN
6. Daunte Culpepper, MIA
7. Drew Bledsoe, DAL
8. Brett Favre, GB
9. Kurt Warner, AZ
10. Jake Delhomme, CAR
11. Michael Vick, ATL
12. Tom Brady, NE
13. Drew Brees, NO
14. Eli Manning, NYG
15. Donovan McNabb, PHI
16. David Carr, HOU
17. Byron Leftwich, JAX
18. Ben Roethlisberger, PIT
19. Charlie Frye, CLE
20. Chris Simms, TB
21. Carson Palmer, CIN * He jets up the chart when he is healthy.
22. Aaron Brooks, OAK
23. J.P. Losman, BUF
24. Philip Rivers, SD
25. Alex Smith, SF
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I hope you are right because I have him on 2 of my dynasty teams, but I just don't see this.
Texasmouth
Footballguy
Interesting comments on Aaron Brooks. maybe you two guys bashing Brooks should look up his numbers from the past when he WASNT playing with Moss, Porter and Lamont Jordan...
1563/2771 19156 Yards 56.4 Comp % 120 Touchdowns 84 Int
4 Season with 3500+ yards 2 with 3800+ yards
With the exception of last year he also had 4 straight seasons with 20+ TD
1563/2771 19156 Yards 56.4 Comp % 120 Touchdowns 84 Int
4 Season with 3500+ yards 2 with 3800+ yards
With the exception of last year he also had 4 straight seasons with 20+ TD
I've seen him play and I think he just has that "it" factor.. I think he will turn out to be a really special QB..
GreedoShotFirst
Footballguy
so Mark Brunell, who was as hot as any QB in the league for half the season, and ended up as a borderline QB1, has added ARE and Brandon Lloyd and doesn't make the top 25?? 
Dolfan
Footballguy
Your list looks good to. ?Some things I disagree with, but good overall..Mine was very preliminary -- it will change A LOT between now and August -- hell, it has already changed a little since I posted it this morning
One thing I would like to point out, and I know I've said it a few times already -- it's just your comment on Hasselbeck kind of irked me -- there is only 4 fantasy points between 4th (Eli) and 8th (Hass) on my list. 4 POINTS!!
Class Dismissed
Footballguy
Considering no more Betttis.
Considering the lack of a running game in the Playoffs
Considering the Steelers and their desire to Throw first, Run Second Attack, which led to 3 successive Road Playoff wins.
I would say that Ben Rothelisberger is underrated in regards to fantasy points.
Considering the lack of a running game in the Playoffs
Considering the Steelers and their desire to Throw first, Run Second Attack, which led to 3 successive Road Playoff wins.
I would say that Ben Rothelisberger is underrated in regards to fantasy points.
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Dolfan
Footballguy
THIS JUST IN:Mark Brunell will miss training camp this year due to sitting at home trying to figure out the new Medicare prescription drug plan...so Mark Brunell, who was as hot as any QB in the league for half the season, and ended up as a borderline QB1, has added ARE and Brandon Lloyd and doesn't make the top 25??
They're not good WRs yet. Gibbs and his boys are going to have to coach them some, fine tune their games a bit. Has either had a 1000 yard season yet? How many balls are left after Cooley and Moss? I would expect they do far better after the first few weeks and that Gibbs uses one of em' to exploit "this or that" on a D one week and the next that player's stats are relatively low. I don't see an 80s style Gibbs O with 3 solid WRs. To me their more like options for Gibbs than an integral part of their O.Saunders WR2 with the Chiefs also supports this notion IIRCso Mark Brunell, who was as hot as any QB in the league for half the season, and ended up as a borderline QB1, has added ARE and Brandon Lloyd and doesn't make the top 25??
ETA they're good. I mean.....not great? not...poor word choice
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Slinger
Footballguy
I looked up the numbers and studied them before I went to bed every night for the last 3 months. He still won't be a top 10 QB this year. How did Kerry Collins do last year with Moss and Porter (who's overrated) and Jordan?I've watched many Saints games in recent years and I just don't see Brooks being a top 10 guy this year.
I hope he's not your #1 QB.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Collins ranked 8th in ppg last year with Moss banged up most of the year.
Scorehoard
Footballguy
1. Manning
2. Hasselback
3. Green
4. Culpepper
5. Bulger
6. McNabb
7. Plummer
8. Brooks
9. Brady
10. Bledsoe
11. Delhomme
12. Warner
13. Manning
14. Roethlisberger
15. Vick
16. Leftwich
17. Carr
18. Simms
19. Griese
20. Favre this is due to the up in the air situation
**** Palmer is in top 10 if healthy
2. Hasselback
3. Green
4. Culpepper
5. Bulger
6. McNabb
7. Plummer
8. Brooks
9. Brady
10. Bledsoe
11. Delhomme
12. Warner
13. Manning
14. Roethlisberger
15. Vick
16. Leftwich
17. Carr
18. Simms
19. Griese
20. Favre this is due to the up in the air situation
**** Palmer is in top 10 if healthy
David Yudkin
Footballguy
I'd be interested to hear in any statistical facet of the game how Collins has ever been better than Brooks prior to last year. I'm not a fan of either, personally, but Brooks > Collins up until last year.And it should also be pointed out that the Raiders have not once declared Brooks the starter in Oakland (at least not yet) and have only indicated that he will compete for the job. I'd say that he's a heavy favorite to win the starting gig, but it's not etched in stone.Well whatever, Brooks is no Collins.
First off, I want to thank you for putting your rankings out for people to look at and give us something interesting to talk about. I think the most important thing in your post is that there is only a 4 point difference between #4 and #8. My list is very similar. I have pretty much the same guys you do in the 2-14 range just in a completely different order. But again, they are so close it almost doesn't matter what order you have them in.
A couple of your rankings did jump out though. Ben Roethlisberger and Drew Brees seem too low to me and Charlie Frye seems way to high. Plus, I really like your David Carr ranking. He seems like a perfect QBBC candidate. Not someone you want to hang your hopes on but he sure has a lot of weapons. Upgrades at TE, WR#2, RB, and Coach. I know this sounds a lot like Joey Harrington the last two years but he shouldn't cost much and could really pay off big.
A couple of your rankings did jump out though. Ben Roethlisberger and Drew Brees seem too low to me and Charlie Frye seems way to high. Plus, I really like your David Carr ranking. He seems like a perfect QBBC candidate. Not someone you want to hang your hopes on but he sure has a lot of weapons. Upgrades at TE, WR#2, RB, and Coach. I know this sounds a lot like Joey Harrington the last two years but he shouldn't cost much and could really pay off big.
CA_7
Footballguy
I love that so many people are lowering Vick's ranking this year. He was top 10 in most of my leagues and in theory he should only get better with more experience. If you can handcuff him with Schuab I think he will be great value this year.
I have never liked him until this year.
I have never liked him until this year.
