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[Ministry of Pain]

Washington Post

Redskins Target Broncos' Bly

Club Creates Cap Room by Restructuring Additional Contracts

By Jason La Canfora

Washington Post Staff Writer

Wednesday, March 7, 2007; Page E04

The Washington Redskins, after netting linebacker London Fletcher and cornerback Fred Smoot, their primary free agent targets, are poised to acquire cornerback Dre' Bly from the Denver Broncos.

The Redskins were $8.4 million under the cap yesterday before re-signing reserve cornerback Ade Jimoh, according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

The Redskins completed another sweeping series of contract restructurings to create the cap room, according to sources -- only two new contracts have been announced by the team thus far -- and remain interested in Bly. Washington attempted to get him from Detroit before he was traded to the Broncos.

The Redskins offered Bly a lucrative contract extension during trade talks, numerous NFL sources said, while Denver has been unwilling to compensate him beyond the $4.2 million base salary he has for 2007.

Bly has told numerous past and present teammates of his desire to play for Washington, and several NFL sources believe the Broncos are willing to part with him. Denver was scheduled to have free agent cornerback David Macklin visit yesterday.

The Broncos and Redskins have been discussing trade possibilities since before the combine last month, according to sources with knowledge of the situation, with Denver coveting Washington's sixth overall pick and the Redskins looking to trade down and reacquire a second- and third- round pick, which were dealt away (the Broncos have the Redskins' third-round selection from the T.J. Duckett trade).

Denver tried to get running back Ladell Betts in the deal, according to sources, but Coach Joe Gibbs has been intent on pairing Betts and Clinton Portis in the backfield next season.

The Redskins were offering veteran cornerback Shawn Springs for Bly, but those talks stalled when Washington asked for additional cap relief to offset Spring's $7.5 million cap charge and Denver declined, sources said. Last month, the Broncos made a proposal involving middle linebacker Al Wilson, their first-round pick (21st overall), a third-round pick and perhaps a second-round pick to land Washington's sixth-overall pick, according to a source, but the Redskins preferred Fletcher, who was their prime objective in free agency.

Should Denver be willing to essentially replace Wilson with Bly in trade talks, the potential for a deal could be high. Also, the Broncos could still make a play for Springs, whom Washington asked to take a $2 million pay cut, or the Redskins could attempt to trade Springs for draft picks if they acquired Bly.

Given Washington's cap standing, and the fact the team could create an addition $4 million in space by cutting injured place kicker John Hall and reserve defensive lineman Renaldo Wynn, absorbing Spring's cap charge would not be prohibitive.

The Redskins began creating cap room by restructuring tackle Jon Jansen's deal last month, giving him a $10 million signing bonus but slashing his 2007 base salary. Backup quarterback Mark Brunell also agreed to a very cap-friendly new contract, with no guaranteed money. Over the weekend, the club also announced the extension of guard Randy Thomas's contract, and, sources said, in the process lowered his 2007 cap charge from $5.5 million to $3.3 million. Thomas's deal is nearly identical to Jansen's, according to a source with knowledge of the contract, including a $10 million bonus. Thomas, whose previous contract was voidable after 2007, thus making him eligible for unrestricted free agency next year, is now signed through 2011, the source said.

Also, the Redskins reworked the contracts of Portis and star wide receiver Santana Moss, converting large portions of their 2007 base salaries to bonuses, which become guaranteed but can also be prorated for cap purposes. The players lose no money in the transaction, and Portis's cap figure went from $7.1 million to $4 million, according to sources, while Moss's charge was lowered from $5 million to $3.2 million.

Owner Daniel Snyder has been willing to make a strong financial commitment every year to frontload contracts and provide additional bonuses to players in order to lower cap charges, which in turn keeps the team aggressive in the trade and free agent market.

Redskins Notes: Free agent offensive lineman Luke Petitgout, who visited Washington on Monday, agreed to a three-year deal with Tampa Bay yesterday.

The Redskins have been in contact with free agent guard Adam Timmerman, his agent said, and although some in the organization believe the 35-year-old may be beyond his productive stage, he remains a possibility to replace departed Derrick Dockery.

"We've had some discussions and we're waiting to hear back from them," said Timmerman's agent, Mark Bartelstein. The Redskins have also had limited discussions with free agent lineman Sean Mahan, his agent said, but no visits were planned and the player is traveling to other clubs. Veterans Ruben Brown and Cosey Coleman are other starting guards on the market . . .

Smoot's deal is actually worth a maximum of $21 million over five years and not $25 million, as previously reported, according to sources. Smoot received $7 million to sign and the deal is essentially worth $11.5 million over three years. . . . Safety Vernon Fox received a $300,000 signing bonus as part of the three-year deal he received over the weekend, sources said, and will earn the veteran minimum in base salary.

MOP: Where I come from, when a player is acquired or traded for in FA, usually the team that gets him is where he is going to play. I'm a bit shocked that the Washington Post is still acting like they can go out and get Bly. Denver traded an OT and a RB to get him. I can't believe they would turn around and trade their 1st round pick and Bly to move up to #6. If they did move up that far, who would they be hoping to land? Also I was disturbed to see they made a run at Ladell Betts...maybe Henry will be in some sort of RBBC before its all said and done this summer.

 

[redman]

MOP: Where I come from, when a player is acquired or traded for in FA, usually the team that gets him is where he is going to play. I'm a bit shocked that the Washington Post is still acting like they can go out and get Bly. Denver traded an OT and a RB to get him. I can't believe they would turn around and trade their 1st round pick and Bly to move up to #6. If they did move up that far, who would they be hoping to land? Also I was disturbed to see they made a run at Ladell Betts...maybe Henry will be in some sort of RBBC before its all said and done this summer.

Yes . . . but Denver clearly didn't realize that Bly was going to make waves after trading for him, and I also believe that that trade was as much about simply getting some sort of value for Tatum Bell as it was in actually acquiring Bly specifically. I don't as a 'Skins fan want to see Betts traded and I don't think it will happen. I do like the trade that gives the 'Skins Bly plus the Broncos 1st, 2nd and 3rd rounders this year in exchange for the 1.06.

 

[moleculo]

MOP: Where I come from, when a player is acquired or traded for in FA, usually the team that gets him is where he is going to play. I'm a bit shocked that the Washington Post is still acting like they can go out and get Bly. Denver traded an OT and a RB to get him. I can't believe they would turn around and trade their 1st round pick and Bly to move up to #6. If they did move up that far, who would they be hoping to land? Also I was disturbed to see they made a run at Ladell Betts...maybe Henry will be in some sort of RBBC before its all said and done this summer.

well, you would have to assume they made a run at Betts prior to signing Henry, right?I wonder who Denver covets that they could get at 6? Maybe they were thinking AD - would that not also change with the Henry signing? More likely, they desparately need help on the defensive line.

 

[Bizkiteer]

MOP: Where I come from, when a player is acquired or traded for in FA, usually the team that gets him is where he is going to play. I'm a bit shocked that the Washington Post is still acting like they can go out and get Bly. Denver traded an OT and a RB to get him. I can't believe they would turn around and trade their 1st round pick and Bly to move up to #6. If they did move up that far, who would they be hoping to land? Also I was disturbed to see they made a run at Ladell Betts...maybe Henry will be in some sort of RBBC before its all said and done this summer.

well, you would have to assume they made a run at Betts prior to signing Henry, right?I wonder who Denver covets that they could get at 6? Maybe they were thinking AD - would that not also change with the Henry signing? More likely, they desparately need help on the defensive line.

Doubt it's AD because they would have to most likely go higher than #6. I think they like a DL...maybe Branch, Adams or Anderson? It's possile they like a WR, but w/ Javon and Marshall...I doubt it. They could land Lawson or Nelson, but that most likely seems a bit high to jump to get a safety.

 

[redman]

MOP: Where I come from, when a player is acquired or traded for in FA, usually the team that gets him is where he is going to play. I'm a bit shocked that the Washington Post is still acting like they can go out and get Bly. Denver traded an OT and a RB to get him. I can't believe they would turn around and trade their 1st round pick and Bly to move up to #6. If they did move up that far, who would they be hoping to land? Also I was disturbed to see they made a run at Ladell Betts...maybe Henry will be in some sort of RBBC before its all said and done this summer.

well, you would have to assume they made a run at Betts prior to signing Henry, right?I wonder who Denver covets that they could get at 6? Maybe they were thinking AD - would that not also change with the Henry signing? More likely, they desparately need help on the defensive line.

Doubt it's AD because they would have to most likely go higher than #6. I think they like a DL...maybe Branch, Adams or Anderson? It's possile they like a WR, but w/ Javon and Marshall...I doubt it. They could land Lawson or Nelson, but that most likely seems a bit high to jump to get a safety.

It may be pick value rather than a specific player they're targeting. Right now, they've got a CB they just traded for who doesn't want to play for them and is making lots of noise about it, so they've got a problem to solve. They may simply want the 1.06 from Washington as the best solution for this problem, at which point they can then trade back down with someone else or draft the BPA.

 

[Warpig]

MOP: Where I come from, when a player is acquired or traded for in FA, usually the team that gets him is where he is going to play. I'm a bit shocked that the Washington Post is still acting like they can go out and get Bly. Denver traded an OT and a RB to get him. I can't believe they would turn around and trade their 1st round pick and Bly to move up to #6. If they did move up that far, who would they be hoping to land? Also I was disturbed to see they made a run at Ladell Betts...maybe Henry will be in some sort of RBBC before its all said and done this summer.

well, you would have to assume they made a run at Betts prior to signing Henry, right?I wonder who Denver covets that they could get at 6? Maybe they were thinking AD - would that not also change with the Henry signing? More likely, they desparately need help on the defensive line.

Doubt it's AD because they would have to most likely go higher than #6. I think they like a DL...maybe Branch, Adams or Anderson? It's possile they like a WR, but w/ Javon and Marshall...I doubt it. They could land Lawson or Nelson, but that most likely seems a bit high to jump to get a safety.

It may be pick value rather than a specific player they're targeting. Right now, they've got a CB they just traded for who doesn't want to play for them and is making lots of noise about it, so they've got a problem to solve. They may simply want the 1.06 from Washington as the best solution for this problem, at which point they can then trade back down with someone else or draft the BPA.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

MOP: Where I come from, when a player is acquired or traded for in FA, usually the team that gets him is where he is going to play. I'm a bit shocked that the Washington Post is still acting like they can go out and get Bly. Denver traded an OT and a RB to get him. I can't believe they would turn around and trade their 1st round pick and Bly to move up to #6. If they did move up that far, who would they be hoping to land? Also I was disturbed to see they made a run at Ladell Betts...maybe Henry will be in some sort of RBBC before its all said and done this summer.

well, you would have to assume they made a run at Betts prior to signing Henry, right?I wonder who Denver covets that they could get at 6? Maybe they were thinking AD - would that not also change with the Henry signing? More likely, they desparately need help on the defensive line.

Correct, and they could move up in there if they like the kid at DT from Michigan enough...or either Anderson/Adams maybe...but DE I had heard was fairly deep like WR this year.

 

[#@%&$!?]

Yes . . . but Denver clearly didn't realize that Bly was going to make waves after trading for him, and I also believe that that trade was as much about simply getting some sort of value for Tatum Bell as it was in actually acquiring Bly specifically. I don't as a 'Skins fan want to see Betts traded and I don't think it will happen. I do like the trade that gives the 'Skins Bly plus the Broncos 1st, 2nd and 3rd rounders this year in exchange for the 1.06.

Denver knew Washington was after Bly as well and would have known that the skins could offer a bigger contract. Given Bly's age, his window for a big payday is narrowing... the broncos should have had some notion that bly wouldn't be happy with denver.Second thing that doesn't make sense is the rumor that denver still going after Betts for bly. Is Betts that much better than Henry that denver is willing to pay both, and give up whatever position that Bly could have been traded for? Trading for 1.06 and going after one of the top DT/DEs available would make a little more sense.

 

[fatness]

Washington Post

Owner Daniel Snyder has been willing to make a strong financial commitment every year to frontload contracts and provide additional bonuses to players in order to lower cap charges, which in turn keeps the team aggressive in the trade and free agent market.

I'll take "How The Hell Do The Redskins Keep Signing Players When I Heard They're Always Over The Salary Cap!?" for $200, Alex.

 

[Snotbubbles]

I'll take "How the Hell do the Redskins keep Signing Players and Still Stink!" for $1000 Alex.

 

[Fat Nick]

Yes . . . but Denver clearly didn't realize that Bly was going to make waves after trading for him, and I also believe that that trade was as much about simply getting some sort of value for Tatum Bell as it was in actually acquiring Bly specifically. I don't as a 'Skins fan want to see Betts traded and I don't think it will happen. I do like the trade that gives the 'Skins Bly plus the Broncos 1st, 2nd and 3rd rounders this year in exchange for the 1.06.

OR DID THEY? Perhaps they got Bly for a two-fold reason.1) They could use him, worst case scenario2) Since the Skins didn't want Al Wilson in the package deal for picks, maybe if they snatched Bly, they figured they could use him, just as the proposed trade suggests, instead of Wilson since the Skins wanted Fletcher.I'm not trying to give them too much credit, but if they had been talking about a trade with the Skins BEFORE signing Bly, and clearly the whole league knew the Skins were high in the running for Bly, maybe they figured it was a win-win situation and might just land them Betts. As a Skins fan, I also DO NOT want to see Betts traded, no matter who we get (within reason). If you thought last season was hard to watch, imagine it if Betts wasn't around. We need him for insurance. Not that CP is to be labeled "injury prone," but you just never know. I too would take the Bly/1/2/3 for the 1.06 pick in an heart beat, and I'd even do it if you threw Springs in there.

 

[redman]

I'll take "How the Hell do the Redskins keep Signing Players and Still Stink!" for $1000 Alex.

Well, they've won as many Super Bowls in the last 15 years as the Eagles have . . . but hey, at least the Eagles have all that cap room! :(

 

[redman]

Yes . . . but Denver clearly didn't realize that Bly was going to make waves after trading for him, and I also believe that that trade was as much about simply getting some sort of value for Tatum Bell as it was in actually acquiring Bly specifically. I don't as a 'Skins fan want to see Betts traded and I don't think it will happen. I do like the trade that gives the 'Skins Bly plus the Broncos 1st, 2nd and 3rd rounders this year in exchange for the 1.06.

Denver knew Washington was after Bly as well and would have known that the skins could offer a bigger contract. Given Bly's age, his window for a big payday is narrowing... the broncos should have had some notion that bly wouldn't be happy with denver.Second thing that doesn't make sense is the rumor that denver still going after Betts for bly. Is Betts that much better than Henry that denver is willing to pay both, and give up whatever position that Bly could have been traded for? Trading for 1.06 and going after one of the top DT/DEs available would make a little more sense.

I seriously doubt that Denver traded away a lineman and a good RB for a CB who they knew all along would prefer to be elsewhere, just so that they could trade him to that one team that that CB wanted to go to. To say that that would be a high risk proposition for Denver would be a big understatement. By signing Smoot and making clear that they want Betts to stay, the Redskins really don't have any sense of urgency about this deal. They have other potential trade partners with whom to trade down from 1.06, so I don't see Denver with a lot of leverage. That's what makes Denver's apparent persistence in pursuing this deal all the more interesting as it implies that Bly's got them worried about how much he's going to be a pain in the ### about this situation.

 

[cscmtp]

Broncos will have to pay out the aaaarse to get Betts IMO. Not saying it won't happen, but I think they will definitely have to overpay.

 

[rascal]

Bly not down on Denver By Bill Williamson Denver Post Staff Writer Article Last Updated: 03/07/2007 12:23:11 PM MST

In his first statement about the speculation that Dre Bly wants out of Denver, his agent Kennard McGuire made a statement in attempt to douse the speculation

"I have had nothing but positive dialogue with Mike Shanahan and Ted Sundquist about Dre. Dre understands that it is a compliment to be wanted. Neither Dre nor myself have said publicly that he is disenchanted. I understand why certain teams only allow the (...head coaches to...) speak publicly. If Dre is so miserable or unhappy it hasn't been publicly said by Dre or myself. "

The Washington Post reported Sunday that Bly was unhappy that he was traded form Detroit to Denver last week and that Bly, who is from Virginia, wants to be in Washington. The newspaper also reported that Bly had a long-term contract worked out with the Redskins prior to the deal.

There has been rampant speculation that Bly wants Denver to trade him to the Redskins. Tuesday, new Denver assistant head coach in charge of defense Jim Bates, at a press gathering to introduce the new coaches, commented that he hoped Bly would want to play for the Broncos.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_5375358

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Bly not down on Denver By Bill Williamson Denver Post Staff Writer Article Last Updated: 03/07/2007 12:23:11 PM MST

In his first statement about the speculation that Dre Bly wants out of Denver, his agent Kennard McGuire made a statement in attempt to douse the speculation

"I have had nothing but positive dialogue with Mike Shanahan and Ted Sundquist about Dre. Dre understands that it is a compliment to be wanted. Neither Dre nor myself have said publicly that he is disenchanted. I understand why certain teams only allow the (...head coaches to...) speak publicly. If Dre is so miserable or unhappy it hasn't been publicly said by Dre or myself. "

The Washington Post reported Sunday that Bly was unhappy that he was traded form Detroit to Denver last week and that Bly, who is from Virginia, wants to be in Washington. The newspaper also reported that Bly had a long-term contract worked out with the Redskins prior to the deal.

There has been rampant speculation that Bly wants Denver to trade him to the Redskins. Tuesday, new Denver assistant head coach in charge of defense Jim Bates, at a press gathering to introduce the new coaches, commented that he hoped Bly would want to play for the Broncos.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_5375358

Still doesn't say he can't wait to take the field for Denver...I think it actually throws more gasoline on the situation in a very professional way.

 

[QUEZILLA]

Skins are going to be in cap hell again in 5,4,3...

 

[lord_helmet]

Lets see you spin this one then:

"Dré is really excited about this trade," his mother Gloria Bly said from her Virginia home. "We're coming to a winning team, and that's what everybody is so happy about. Dré thinks this is going to be a great opportunity for him."

http://billszone.com/

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I would just like to take this opportunity to express my gratitude to Mike Shanahan for bringing sexy back to trading in the NFL.

Before the Champ/Portis swap, trades were extremely rare. They've been picking up steam ever since.

 

[buster c]

While I don't place as much value on Betts as my fellow Skin fans apparently do (6 fumbles in 2006, including game-killers against the Rams & TB), I would love to see the 1.06 parlayed into a 1-2-3 and Bly. But given the Skins trading history with Denver (see Portis, C and Campbell, J), it would shock me to see the Redskins make a good trade with them. Unless Pat Bowlen misplaced his pictures of Vinny Cerotten making sweet love to a farm animal.

 

[rascal]

All that Betts talk was undoubtedly before the Henry signing. There is no reason to do it know after giving him that big contract.

 

[lord_helmet]

IF there is ANY truth to these rumors (I dont know that Skins writer, for all I know he's nothing but a scumbag trying to stir the pot), Betts is just a decoy. That way the Broncos can "settle" for Springs

 

[T Man]

I just don't get this trade.

The Redskins have Rogers, Smoot and Springs as starting caliber CBs. Assuming Rogers is not going anywhere, the cap hit to trade Smoot and or Springs should be big. Even assuming they want to get rid of Springs, they do not appear to need another starting CB.

The Broncos now have M. Bell and Travis Henry. They do not appear to have a need for another RB. Although Betts number is very good.

As for a trade, and assuming the draft value chart is valid:

1. THe Redskins #6 is worth 1700

2. THe Broncos #21 is worth 875 and their 2nd rounder (#56) is worth 350.

3. The Broncos have 2 third rounders #70 (worth 245) and #86 (worth 165).

THus to upgrade to #6 and part with Bly, the Broncos would have to give up more then atheir 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks. Also, Denver would have to view Bly (who has one year left on his contract) as an equivalent value to a late second rounder (310 points if the #86 is used) or an early third rounder (if the #70) is used).

I would think that trading Bell and Foster would mean that Denver values Bly as more then that. Of course, the rumors are that Shanny does like Springs. So throwing in Springs (who IIRC has 2 years left) increases the value. Of course they are in the last (or next to last) years of their contracts and could have been considered trade fodder for anyone who wanted them.

In any event, Denver does not appear to need RBs. They need CBs given the death of their starter. They have a pretty good nickel back.

With that said, I don't see this deal going through.

As an aside, anyone hear what the Saints offered Detroit for Bly????????? Just curious.

 

[Marvelous]

Yes . . . but Denver clearly didn't realize that Bly was going to make waves after trading for him, and I also believe that that trade was as much about simply getting some sort of value for Tatum Bell as it was in actually acquiring Bly specifically. I don't as a 'Skins fan want to see Betts traded and I don't think it will happen. I do like the trade that gives the 'Skins Bly plus the Broncos 1st, 2nd and 3rd rounders this year in exchange for the 1.06.

Denver knew Washington was after Bly as well and would have known that the skins could offer a bigger contract. Given Bly's age, his window for a big payday is narrowing... the broncos should have had some notion that bly wouldn't be happy with denver.Second thing that doesn't make sense is the rumor that denver still going after Betts for bly. Is Betts that much better than Henry that denver is willing to pay both, and give up whatever position that Bly could have been traded for? Trading for 1.06 and going after one of the top DT/DEs available would make a little more sense.

Where did you hear that Denver is still going after Betts? Per the article, they have already been told no once.

 

[Marvelous]

Yes . . . but Denver clearly didn't realize that Bly was going to make waves after trading for him, and I also believe that that trade was as much about simply getting some sort of value for Tatum Bell as it was in actually acquiring Bly specifically. I don't as a 'Skins fan want to see Betts traded and I don't think it will happen. I do like the trade that gives the 'Skins Bly plus the Broncos 1st, 2nd and 3rd rounders this year in exchange for the 1.06.

OR DID THEY? Perhaps they got Bly for a two-fold reason.1) They could use him, worst case scenario2) Since the Skins didn't want Al Wilson in the package deal for picks, maybe if they snatched Bly, they figured they could use him, just as the proposed trade suggests, instead of Wilson since the Skins wanted Fletcher.I'm not trying to give them too much credit, but if they had been talking about a trade with the Skins BEFORE signing Bly, and clearly the whole league knew the Skins were high in the running for Bly, maybe they figured it was a win-win situation and might just land them Betts. As a Skins fan, I also DO NOT want to see Betts traded, no matter who we get (within reason). If you thought last season was hard to watch, imagine it if Betts wasn't around. We need him for insurance. Not that CP is to be labeled "injury prone," but you just never know. I too would take the Bly/1/2/3 for the 1.06 pick in an heart beat, and I'd even do it if you threw Springs in there.

My personal opinion: Denver got a good CB for two players that they really weren't they high on. So I think it's a no brainer to make this trade, even if you don't keep him or get him for 1 year.

 

[rascal]

Again, the Betts talk was before Denver signed Henry.

Reportedly Saints offered a fourth for Bly, but Denver said no. I heard somewhere that they were going to offer a second but I doubt that. If they had Denver would have already accepted and Bly would be celebrating down in NO.

Denver is going to want Tatum+Foster value for Bly, not just Bly value alone.

 

[massraider]

I just don't get this trade.The Redskins have Rogers, Smoot and Springs as starting caliber CBs. Assuming Rogers is not going anywhere, the cap hit to trade Smoot and or Springs should be big. Even assuming they want to get rid of Springs, they do not appear to need another starting CB. The Broncos now have M. Bell and Travis Henry. They do not appear to have a need for another RB. Although Betts number is very good.As for a trade, and assuming the draft value chart is valid:1. THe Redskins #6 is worth 17002. THe Broncos #21 is worth 875 and their 2nd rounder (#56) is worth 350.3. The Broncos have 2 third rounders #70 (worth 245) and #86 (worth 165).THus to upgrade to #6 and part with Bly, the Broncos would have to give up more then atheir 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks. Also, Denver would have to view Bly (who has one year left on his contract) as an equivalent value to a late second rounder (310 points if the #86 is used) or an early third rounder (if the #70) is used).I would think that trading Bell and Foster would mean that Denver values Bly as more then that. Of course, the rumors are that Shanny does like Springs. So throwing in Springs (who IIRC has 2 years left) increases the value. Of course they are in the last (or next to last) years of their contracts and could have been considered trade fodder for anyone who wanted them.In any event, Denver does not appear to need RBs. They need CBs given the death of their starter. They have a pretty good nickel back. With that said, I don't see this deal going through.

This makes a lot of sense.

 

[ATC1]

I just don't get this trade.

The Redskins have Rogers, Smoot and Springs as starting caliber CBs. Assuming Rogers is not going anywhere, the cap hit to trade Smoot and or Springs should be big. Even assuming they want to get rid of Springs, they do not appear to need another starting CB.

The Broncos now have M. Bell and Travis Henry. They do not appear to have a need for another RB. Although Betts number is very good.

As for a trade, and assuming the draft value chart is valid:

1. THe Redskins #6 is worth 1700

2. THe Broncos #21 is worth 875 and their 2nd rounder (#56) is worth 350.

3. The Broncos have 2 third rounders #70 (worth 245) and #86 (worth 165).

THus to upgrade to #6 and part with Bly, the Broncos would have to give up more then atheir 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks. Also, Denver would have to view Bly (who has one year left on his contract) as an equivalent value to a late second rounder (310 points if the #86 is used) or an early third rounder (if the #70) is used).

I would think that trading Bell and Foster would mean that Denver values Bly as more then that. Of course, the rumors are that Shanny does like Springs. So throwing in Springs (who IIRC has 2 years left) increases the value. Of course they are in the last (or next to last) years of their contracts and could have been considered trade fodder for anyone who wanted them.

In any event, Denver does not appear to need RBs. They need CBs given the death of their starter. They have a pretty good nickel back.

With that said, I don't see this deal going through.

As an aside, anyone hear what the Saints offered Detroit for Bly????????? Just curious.

rumor is Saints offered a 4th rounder for him that was obviously turned down. I don't know if they are looking to get a feel for what DEN wants or if they are waiting to see if Washington gets a deal.

 

[Marvelous]

With the signing of Smoot, any Bly trade would have to include Springs (unless he gets cut). The reports are that the Redskins and Springs are at an impass on his contract. Skins want a pay cut. Springs has declined.

 

[The_Man]

Skins are going to be in cap hell again in 5,4,3...

The Redskins began creating cap room by restructuring tackle Jon Jansen's deal last month, giving him a $10 million signing bonus but slashing his 2007 base salary. Backup quarterback Mark Brunell also agreed to a very cap-friendly new contract, with no guaranteed money. Over the weekend, the club also announced the extension of guard Randy Thomas's contract, and, sources said, in the process lowered his 2007 cap charge from $5.5 million to $3.3 million. Thomas's deal is nearly identical to Jansen's, according to a source with knowledge of the contract, including a $10 million bonus. Thomas, whose previous contract was voidable after 2007, thus making him eligible for unrestricted free agency next year, is now signed through 2011, the source said.

Also, the Redskins reworked the contracts of Portis and star wide receiver Santana Moss, converting large portions of their 2007 base salaries to bonuses, which become guaranteed but can also be prorated for cap purposes. The players lose no money in the transaction, and Portis's cap figure went from $7.1 million to $4 million, according to sources, while Moss's charge was lowered from $5 million to $3.2 million.

Owner Daniel Snyder has been willing to make a strong financial commitment every year to frontload contracts and provide additional bonuses to players in order to lower cap charges, which in turn keeps the team aggressive in the trade and free agent market.

I've talked about this before -- one of the things people don't talk about in the NFL is the significant advantage that teams with deep pockets have in being able to pay "cash over cap." Because Snynder had the cash on hand to shell out$30 or 40 million in signing bonuses last week, he was able to make his players happy by giving them huge guaranteed upfront money, while also realizing significant salary cap savings.A lot of teams don't have $30 or 40 million just sitting around to hand out. This is also why the Redskins probably won't really ever end up in salary cap jail. The only way they might get caught is with having to eat significant dead money if a guy, Thomas for example, gets cut or retires long before 2011.

 

[rascal]

If i'm denver I would say no to Springs. He is old and his skills are declining rapidly. I'd only want Carlos Rogers.

I doubt Springs could beat out Foxworth for the #2 CB.

 

[T Man]

Again, the Betts talk was before Denver signed Henry.Reportedly Saints offered a fourth for Bly, but Denver said no. I heard somewhere that they were going to offer a second but I doubt that. If they had Denver would have already accepted and Bly would be celebrating down in NO.Denver is going to want Tatum+Foster value for Bly, not just Bly value alone.

Of course you assume that Tatum + Foster value > Bly value alone.Some would say that the Broncos didn't think much of either player long term (especially considering where they were in their contract and what they might want for their next contract), hence a low value.The Broncos are looking for Super Bowl this year. Bly for one year would likely prove more valuable then either Bell and Foster for that same span. Thus, my guess is that the asking price for Bly got higher once he was traded to Denver.

 

[T Man]

Skins are going to be in cap hell again in 5,4,3...

The Redskins began creating cap room by restructuring tackle Jon Jansen's deal last month, giving him a $10 million signing bonus but slashing his 2007 base salary. Backup quarterback Mark Brunell also agreed to a very cap-friendly new contract, with no guaranteed money. Over the weekend, the club also announced the extension of guard Randy Thomas's contract, and, sources said, in the process lowered his 2007 cap charge from $5.5 million to $3.3 million. Thomas's deal is nearly identical to Jansen's, according to a source with knowledge of the contract, including a $10 million bonus. Thomas, whose previous contract was voidable after 2007, thus making him eligible for unrestricted free agency next year, is now signed through 2011, the source said.

Also, the Redskins reworked the contracts of Portis and star wide receiver Santana Moss, converting large portions of their 2007 base salaries to bonuses, which become guaranteed but can also be prorated for cap purposes. The players lose no money in the transaction, and Portis's cap figure went from $7.1 million to $4 million, according to sources, while Moss's charge was lowered from $5 million to $3.2 million.

Owner Daniel Snyder has been willing to make a strong financial commitment every year to frontload contracts and provide additional bonuses to players in order to lower cap charges, which in turn keeps the team aggressive in the trade and free agent market.

I've talked about this before -- one of the things people don't talk about in the NFL is the significant advantage that teams with deep pockets have in being able to pay "cash over cap." Because Snynder had the cash on hand to shell out$30 or 40 million in signing bonuses last week, he was able to make his players happy by giving them huge guaranteed upfront money, while also realizing significant salary cap savings.A lot of teams don't have $30 or 40 million just sitting around to hand out. This is also why the Redskins probably won't really ever end up in salary cap jail. The only way they might get caught is with having to eat significant dead money if a guy, Thomas for example, gets cut or retires long before 2011.

Not to hijack, but . . . The fact that the Redskins have the cash available allows them to "rob Peter to pay Paul". THey have mortgaged the future.

However, since the cap is increasing exponentially, it has never really proven to be a problem for the Skins. IF however, the cap flattens out, the problems will exist and the Skins will be in trouble. This is a BIG IF, and my guess is that Snyder does not think it will happen.

 

[rascal]

Again, the Betts talk was before Denver signed Henry.

Reportedly Saints offered a fourth for Bly, but Denver said no. I heard somewhere that they were going to offer a second but I doubt that. If they had Denver would have already accepted and Bly would be celebrating down in NO.

Denver is going to want Tatum+Foster value for Bly, not just Bly value alone.

Of course you assume that Tatum + Foster value > Bly value alone.Some would say that the Broncos didn't think much of either player long term (especially considering where they were in their contract and what they might want for their next contract), hence a low value.

The Broncos are looking for Super Bowl this year. Bly for one year would likely prove more valuable then either Bell and Foster for that same span. Thus, my guess is that the asking price for Bly got higher once he was traded to Denver.

Talk to any NFL scout or exec and they would agree.

 

[T Man]

Again, the Betts talk was before Denver signed Henry.

Reportedly Saints offered a fourth for Bly, but Denver said no. I heard somewhere that they were going to offer a second but I doubt that. If they had Denver would have already accepted and Bly would be celebrating down in NO.

Denver is going to want Tatum+Foster value for Bly, not just Bly value alone.

Of course you assume that Tatum + Foster value > Bly value alone.Some would say that the Broncos didn't think much of either player long term (especially considering where they were in their contract and what they might want for their next contract), hence a low value.

The Broncos are looking for Super Bowl this year. Bly for one year would likely prove more valuable then either Bell and Foster for that same span. Thus, my guess is that the asking price for Bly got higher once he was traded to Denver.

Talk to any NFL scout or exec and they would agree.

My thought is that Shanny thinks Bly > Tatum + Foster or he wouldn't have done the deal. Of course Millen likely thinks that Tatum + Foster > Bly. So it likely depends on the NFL scout or exec one talked to.In this case, for Denver, I think Bly > Tatum + Foster since neither played particularly prominent roles. Yes, Bell did ok, but not as well as other starting RBs in the Denver system. You could definitely tell that Shanny never had the same faith in him as he did prior starters at RB. And, my guess is that Shanny thinks Henry + Bell > Tatum + Bell. So therefore, Bly has more value to the Broncs.

Unless there is a player at 6 that Denver really wants (Branch, Adams, Anderson) then there really is no need to pull the trigger on a trade with the Skins. And, Denver would be better served to wait till the draft to make sure that the player they want is still there at 6 before pulling the trigger.

 

[#@%&$!?]

Where did you hear that Denver is still going after Betts? Per the article, they have already been told no once.

Per the article, a proposed deal for betts was shot down before denver acquired bly. The rumor pertains to the posibility of betts being a part of a deal if bly tries to force his way from denver.

 

[moleculo]

Where did you hear that Denver is still going after Betts? Per the article, they have already been told no once.

Per the article, a proposed deal for betts was shot down before denver acquired bly. The rumor pertains to the posibility of betts being a part of a deal if bly tries to force his way from denver.

do you think they still have an interest in Betts with Henry on the roster?

 

[#@%&$!?]

Where did you hear that Denver is still going after Betts? Per the article, they have already been told no once.

Per the article, a proposed deal for betts was shot down before denver acquired bly. The rumor pertains to the posibility of betts being a part of a deal if bly tries to force his way from denver.

do you think they still have an interest in Betts with Henry on the roster?

I would assume no.

 

[Assani Fisher]

I'll take "How the Hell do the Redskins keep Signing Players and Still Stink!" for $1000 Alex.

great point

 

[Boston]

Something that seems to be slipping thru the cracks here (if true)...why are the Broncos willing to trade Al Wilson? The guy's a top of the line LB who's loss would be pretty substantial to that defense.

Right now it looks like the Redskins infatuation with Bly is like a fantasy owner being in love with a player the day before the draft. The guy's a solid CB but I don't see the need to do everything possible to acquire him.

 

[redman]

Something that seems to be slipping thru the cracks here (if true)...why are the Broncos willing to trade Al Wilson? The guy's a top of the line LB who's loss would be pretty substantial to that defense.Right now it looks like the Redskins infatuation with Bly is like a fantasy owner being in love with a player the day before the draft. The guy's a solid CB but I don't see the need to do everything possible to acquire him.

What infatuation? The only reports I'm seeing now are of Bly's stated desire to play for the 'Skins and the Broncos pitching trade offers to the 'Skins. Those trade offers all would appear to have the Redskins trading down, out of the 1.06, which seems like the more important motive. The last time I saw clear interest in Bly by the Redskins was before he was traded by Detroit to Denver. Right now it seems incidental to trading down from the 1.06.

 

[Boston]

Something that seems to be slipping thru the cracks here (if true)...why are the Broncos willing to trade Al Wilson? The guy's a top of the line LB who's loss would be pretty substantial to that defense.Right now it looks like the Redskins infatuation with Bly is like a fantasy owner being in love with a player the day before the draft. The guy's a solid CB but I don't see the need to do everything possible to acquire him.

What infatuation? The only reports I'm seeing now are of Bly's stated desire to play for the 'Skins and the Broncos pitching trade offers to the 'Skins. Those trade offers all would appear to have the Redskins trading down, out of the 1.06, which seems like the more important motive. The last time I saw clear interest in Bly by the Redskins was before he was traded by Detroit to Denver. Right now it seems incidental to trading down from the 1.06.

Maybe I'm reading into it a little. They seemed to have contract talks going on with him pre-Denver deal and now are talking with Denver. Maybe it's not an infatuation but it does seem like they are pursuing him. With Smoot, Rogers and Springs already in the fold it does seem a little odd to be looking to add another big contract at that position.

 

[Fat Nick]

Maybe I'm reading into it a little. They seemed to have contract talks going on with him pre-Denver deal and now are talking with Denver. Maybe it's not an infatuation but it does seem like they are pursuing him. With Smoot, Rogers and Springs already in the fold it does seem a little odd to be looking to add another big contract at that position.

I think at this point it's been pretty much a given that the DB's will be Smoot, Rogers, and Springs OR Bly. I'd say it's almost certain that if Bly comes to DC, Springs will either be part of the deal, or he'll be traded or released. Unless of course they decide to try him at safety sooner rather than later.

 

[moleculo]

Something that seems to be slipping thru the cracks here (if true)...why are the Broncos willing to trade Al Wilson? The guy's a top of the line LB who's loss would be pretty substantial to that defense.Right now it looks like the Redskins infatuation with Bly is like a fantasy owner being in love with a player the day before the draft. The guy's a solid CB but I don't see the need to do everything possible to acquire him.

What infatuation? The only reports I'm seeing now are of Bly's stated desire to play for the 'Skins and the Broncos pitching trade offers to the 'Skins. Those trade offers all would appear to have the Redskins trading down, out of the 1.06, which seems like the more important motive. The last time I saw clear interest in Bly by the Redskins was before he was traded by Detroit to Denver. Right now it seems incidental to trading down from the 1.06.

Maybe I'm reading into it a little. They seemed to have contract talks going on with him pre-Denver deal and now are talking with Denver. Maybe it's not an infatuation but it does seem like they are pursuing him. With Smoot, Rogers and Springs already in the fold it does seem a little odd to be looking to add another big contract at that position.

actually, I'm not sure that they are talking post Bly-to-Denver deal. I'm not convinced that his isn't all a Washingotn beat writers wet dream.

 

[scoobygang]

The most interesting thing about this story is that Denver supposedly offered Wilson plus the 21 and a third rounder (and perhaps the 2nd rounder) for the #6.

Even if the Skins liked Fletcher better, I can't understand not making that deal if they could have gotten the 2nd rounder. The Skins need picks and I can't see how Fletcher is demonstrably that much better than Al Wilson.

I think that's a bigger problem with the Skins than the compulsive need to make noise every offseason. They fall in love in with guys instead of getting the best deal the market has to offer.

 

[rascal]

Something that seems to be slipping thru the cracks here (if true)...why are the Broncos willing to trade Al Wilson? The guy's a top of the line LB who's loss would be pretty substantial to that defense.Right now it looks like the Redskins infatuation with Bly is like a fantasy owner being in love with a player the day before the draft. The guy's a solid CB but I don't see the need to do everything possible to acquire him.

In case it isn't obvious I'm a Bronco homer, but IMO I can see why and I agree.Wilsons shoulders are shot, and he can't wrap up. Plus he is having surgery for the third offseason in a row I beleive on his hand that doesn't allow him to grip either (and subsequently not catch any balls).He is a great leader who plays with a lot of grit and determination, but he is past his prime.The coaches were not happy with the LB play last year, in particular Gold and Wilson. Gold has minimal trade value, whereas Wilson has trade value.

 

[Boston]

Something that seems to be slipping thru the cracks here (if true)...why are the Broncos willing to trade Al Wilson? The guy's a top of the line LB who's loss would be pretty substantial to that defense.Right now it looks like the Redskins infatuation with Bly is like a fantasy owner being in love with a player the day before the draft. The guy's a solid CB but I don't see the need to do everything possible to acquire him.

In case it isn't obvious I'm a Bronco homer, but IMO I can see why and I agree.Wilsons shoulders are shot, and he can't wrap up. Plus he is having surgery for the third offseason in a row I beleive on his hand that doesn't allow him to grip either (and subsequently not catch any balls).He is a great leader who plays with a lot of grit and determination, but he is past his prime.The coaches were not happy with the LB play last year, in particular Gold and Wilson. Gold has minimal trade value, whereas Wilson has trade value.

As a Pats fan I'll be happy to see him out of a Bronco uniform. The guy just blows them up every time they play. I don't watch him play every game so I didn't realize his shoulders were that bad.

 

[Bizkiteer]

Uhhh, why are people thinking that the 'Skins and Bly are still talking after the trade to Denver? The Redskins were talking to Bly when Detroit gave permission originally. Yes, the Redskins almost had a deal in place with Detroit when Denver came in at last minute and swept him up. So, Bly and the 'Skins haven't talked since...Bly just knows what the 'Skins were offering and he liked it. He's also from the area or at least close.

 

[lord_helmet]

Something that seems to be slipping thru the cracks here (if true)...why are the Broncos willing to trade Al Wilson? The guy's a top of the line LB who's loss would be pretty substantial to that defense.

Right now it looks like the Redskins infatuation with Bly is like a fantasy owner being in love with a player the day before the draft. The guy's a solid CB but I don't see the need to do everything possible to acquire him.

What infatuation? The only reports I'm seeing now are of Bly's stated desire to play for the 'Skins and the Broncos pitching trade offers to the 'Skins. Those trade offers all would appear to have the Redskins trading down, out of the 1.06, which seems like the more important motive.

The last time I saw clear interest in Bly by the Redskins was before he was traded by Detroit to Denver. Right now it seems incidental to trading down from the 1.06.

Maybe I'm reading into it a little. They seemed to have contract talks going on with him pre-Denver deal and now are talking with Denver. Maybe it's not an infatuation but it does seem like they are pursuing him. With Smoot, Rogers and Springs already in the fold it does seem a little odd to be looking to add another big contract at that position.

actually, I'm not sure that they are talking post Bly-to-Denver deal. I'm not convinced that his isn't all a Washingotn beat writers wet dream.

 

[rascal]

Something that seems to be slipping thru the cracks here (if true)...why are the Broncos willing to trade Al Wilson? The guy's a top of the line LB who's loss would be pretty substantial to that defense.Right now it looks like the Redskins infatuation with Bly is like a fantasy owner being in love with a player the day before the draft. The guy's a solid CB but I don't see the need to do everything possible to acquire him.

In case it isn't obvious I'm a Bronco homer, but IMO I can see why and I agree.Wilsons shoulders are shot, and he can't wrap up. Plus he is having surgery for the third offseason in a row I beleive on his hand that doesn't allow him to grip either (and subsequently not catch any balls).He is a great leader who plays with a lot of grit and determination, but he is past his prime.The coaches were not happy with the LB play last year, in particular Gold and Wilson. Gold has minimal trade value, whereas Wilson has trade value.

As a Pats fan I'll be happy to see him out of a Bronco uniform. The guy just blows them up every time they play. I don't watch him play every game so I didn't realize his shoulders were that bad.

If Denver trades him it had better be for a second rounder though.It's always a pleasure to see my Broncos woop up on the patriots I only wish we could take care of the colts with the same efficiency.If you watch him again, check out how he tackles. he never wraps up. I remember the pats game and Maroney simply bouncing off him and running for another 15 yards because he can't wrap up.He is very fast though, so fast that under Coyer's scheme they had him playing deep middle in zones. Hopefully that nonsense stops with Bates though as I hated it.