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[Hear-the-Footsteps]

Perhaps this was discussed at the end of the 06/07 season and I missed it. Or maybe it was never addressed.

But since we are currently drafting SSL leagues right now, I wanted to check out the ones from last year.

Well, as it turns out: 3 of the 4 winners (from SSL1, SSL2, SSL3, and SSL4) all had the first selection overall.

I think that speaks volumes. But perhaps others may disagree.

 

[Captain Hook]

If you tell me they all took LT, then it is not so surprising.

If you tell me one or more of the three winners took someone else, THEN I think they did a great job of drafting.

 

[Pictus Cat]

SSLs - This might help for the discussion

LJ - Wolverine

LJ - Shadowfax

Westy - BicycleSeatSniffer

LT -Construx Boy

1 - Wolverine

18 Total Players

Pos Player Team Bye

QB: Marc Bulger STL 7

Gus Frerotte STL 7

Carson Palmer CIN 5

RB: Cedric Benson CHI 7

Kevin Faulk NE 6

Larry Johnson KC 3

Thomas Jones CHI 7

WR: Arnaz Battle SF 7

Drew Bennett TEN 7

Drew Carter CAR 9

Donte' Stallworth PHI 9

Reggie Wayne IND 6

TE: Dallas Clark IND 6

Jeb Putzier HOU 5

PK: Jeff Reed PIT 4

Adam Vinatieri IND 6

Def: Baltimore BAL 7

Houston HOU 5

2 - Shadowfax

18 Total Players

Pos Player Team Bye

QB: Joey Harrington MIA 8

Carson Palmer CIN 5

Anthony Wright CIN 5

RB: Kevan Barlow NYJ 9

Larry Johnson KC 3

Jamal Lewis BAL 7

Michael Pittman TB 4

WR: Isaac Bruce STL 7

Robert Ferguson GB 6

Joey Galloway TB 4

Michael Jenkins ATL 5

Joe Jurevicius CLE 6

Randy Moss OAK 3

TE: Stephen Alexander DEN 4

L.J. Smith PHI 9

PK: Jeff Reed PIT 4

Def: Carolina CAR 9

Miami MIA 8

3 - Bicycle Seat Sniffer

18 Total Players

Pos Player Team Bye

QB: Matt Hasselbeck SEA 5

Alex Smith SF 7

RB: Ron Dayne HOU 5

Corey Dillon NE 6

Marshall Faulk STL 7

Brian Westbrook PHI 9

WR: Drew Bennett TEN 7

Marty Booker MIA 8

Reggie Brown PHI 9

Braylon Edwards CLE 6

Robert Ferguson GB 6

Eddie Kennison KC 3

Charles Rogers --- 0

TE: Antonio Gates SD 3

PK: Mike Nugent NYJ 9

Jeff Wilkins STL 7

Def: Buffalo BUF 8

Tampa Bay TB 4

4 - Construx Boy

18 Total Players

Pos Player Team Bye

QB: Marc Bulger STL 7

Gus Frerotte STL 7

Charlie Frye CLE 6

RB: Tony Fisher STL 7

Frank Gore SF 7

Laurence Maroney NE 6

Ladainian Tomlinson SD 3

WR: Mark Clayton BAL 7

Chris Henry CIN 5

Darrell Jackson SEA 5

Ashley Lelie ATL 5

Hines Ward PIT 4

TE: Ben Watson NE 6

Jason Witten DAL 3

PK: Jay Feely NYG 4

Sebastian Janikowski OAK 3

Def: Cincinnati CIN 5

Tampa Bay TB 4

 

[ConstruxBoy]

LT helped alot!

But I also won SSL5 (the IDP league) without him.

 

[Steel Dillo]

I noticed last year that the teams with middle to late 1st round picks were dropping like flies.

Link to thread.

I only went thru week 6 because thats when I got bumped.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I must say my title is the most impressive , drafted from 16.

 

[Family Matters]

I must say my title is the most impressive , drafted from 16.

You da man! Nice job.

 

[Family Matters]

If you tell me they all took LT, then it is not so surprising.If you tell me one or more of the three winners took someone else, THEN I think they did a great job of drafting.

I disagree with this statement. 1 player doesn't win a championship. In fact if you look further down you see only 1 guy chose LT. Just because he was the best player doesn't mean that guy had the best team. 18 players make the difference and that's why often the team with the best player doesn't always win.

 

[Captain Hook]

Normally I would agree with you FM, but Tomlinson's production offered such a cushion last year that it would have helped teams not drafted as well survive longer than they should have. And it may be one player, but it was a player who shattered scoring records - besides that it wasn't just LT, any team that drafted him at 1-1, 1-2 or even 1-3 had two REALLY good players with their second and third picks as well - yes assuming they chose well....

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Normally I would agree with you FM, but Tomlinson's production offered such a cushion last year that it would have helped teams not drafted as well survive longer than they should have. And it may be one player, but it was a player who shattered scoring records - besides that it wasn't just LT, any team that drafted him at 1-1, 1-2 or even 1-3 had two REALLY good players with their second and third picks as well - yes assuming they chose well....

Meh, I took Darrell Jackson and Hines Ward at 2.16/3.01. They were OK, but certainly nothing spectacular. I think my picks of Gore/Maroney at 6..16/7.01 is what won it for me. LT helped me outscore every other SSL team in all 4 leagues by 150 points however.

 

[bostonfred]

Tomlinson had 31 TDs last year. 21 of them were scored in weeks 8 through 15, during which he had eight straight multi TD games, all for over 100 yards, and 21 receptions to boot. If you didn't survive to week 8 with him, it was probably week 1 against Oakland, when he only put up 23.9 points, week 3 against Baltimore, when he only put up 11.5 points, or week 4 against PIT, when he put up 15. Otherwise, you may have lost week 16, when he put up 14.3 points, or week 17, when he put up 10. Other than that, his lowest weeks were 29.4, 29.8, 30.2. He also posted a ridiculous five games of over 40 points.

To put it another way, if you had Tomlinson and didn't draft well enough to survive the first four weeks, that's on you. If you did, but somehow didn't survive til week 15, something crazy must have happened. If you went out in weeks 16 or 17, then kidos to the guy who beat you, because he had a lot tougher road to get there than you did.

 

[Family Matters]

Normally I would agree with you FM, but Tomlinson's production offered such a cushion last year that it would have helped teams not drafted as well survive longer than they should have. And it may be one player, but it was a player who shattered scoring records - besides that it wasn't just LT, any team that drafted him at 1-1, 1-2 or even 1-3 had two REALLY good players with their second and third picks as well - yes assuming they chose well....

The reason I said that is I've seen very few LT owners win championships last year. I did not lose any of my championships to LT owners and in fact beat 1 H2H in a S.B. Out of the SSL mentioned, only 1 had LT. My point is that 1 player is not that relevant when you need 10 starters. If you happen to be a very good drafter then it pays off in dominance. But a wiley vet can also overcome the "I didn't get LT factor" and I witnessed it alot last year. Just saying.

 

[Captain Hook]

We are talking survivor teams here - not H2H

 

[EBF]

He was also on the winning team in PDSL1 last year. It's not a surprise. He was scoring as much as 2 backs and he was on fire down the stretch. If his owners had even an average draft with the rest of their picks, they were in great shape to run the table.

 

[Family Matters]

We are talking survivor teams here - not H2H

I understand but it applies to both. 1 SSL won with him, 3 without. You would've thought more that 1 out of 4 but that was my point.

 

[LHUCKS]

you can win at any draft position, but it's easier if you're picking #1 overall.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

LT helped alot!But I also won SSL5 (the IDP league) without him.

The greater the # of starters, the better chance you had to beat an LT2 team.If you're playing in a league where you start 1/2/2/1/1/1, you were likely out of luck.It could still be done, but in IDP leagues where you have 5-8 (or more) extra players putting up points each week, LT2's totals were less of a % of your team score.

 

[Fiddles]

 

[ConstruxBoy]

LT helped alot!But I also won SSL5 (the IDP league) without him.

The greater the # of starters, the better chance you had to beat an LT2 team.If you're playing in a league where you start 1/2/2/1/1/1, you were likely out of luck.It could still be done, but in IDP leagues where you have 5-8 (or more) extra players putting up points each week, LT2's totals were less of a % of your team score.

So you just want to kick me in the nuts too?

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

what I find real interesting is that two of the champion teams only took 5 WR. And I, in essesnce only had 5 all season cause Fergy tore his ACL and Rogers didnt play a down.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

what I find real interesting is that two of the champion teams only took 5 WR. And I, in essesnce only had 5 all season cause Fergy tore his ACL and Rogers didnt play a down.

You're not suggesting that WRs are overrated are you? Cause that would blow everyone's mind.

 

[LHUCKS]

what I find real interesting is that two of the champion teams only took 5 WR. And I, in essesnce only had 5 all season cause Fergy tore his ACL and Rogers didnt play a down.

WRs used to be underrated, but then every be caught on and started drafting their WR depth earlier. Now, they are drafted about the right place but people are drafting crappy WRs at WR6 and WR7 because they think that's how you win, which is of course not accurate.

 

[EBF]

what I find real interesting is that two of the champion teams only took 5 WR. And I, in essesnce only had 5 all season cause Fergy tore his ACL and Rogers didnt play a down.

WRs used to be underrated, but then every be caught on and started drafting their WR depth earlier. Now, they are drafted about the right place but people are drafting crappy WRs at WR6 and WR7 because they think that's how you win, which is of course not accurate.

My 19th/20th round double dip of Reggie Williams and Demetrius Williams helped out a lot in PDSL last year. It's more a matter of picking the right players than it is a matter of picking the right position.

 

[LHUCKS]

It's more a matter of picking the right players than it is a matter of picking the right position.

That's kind of what I was trying to say.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

what I find real interesting is that two of the champion teams only took 5 WR. And I, in essesnce only had 5 all season cause Fergy tore his ACL and Rogers didnt play a down.

You're not suggesting that WRs are overrated are you? Cause that would blow everyone's mind.

No not at all. Just pointing out an odd fact.

 

[Pictus Cat]

Yep. Talk about the right stuff.

WR: Arnaz Battle SF 7

Drew Bennett TEN 7

Drew Carter CAR 9

Donte' Stallworth PHI 9

Reggie Wayne IND 6

WR: Isaac Bruce STL 7

Robert Ferguson GB 6

Joey Galloway TB 4

Michael Jenkins ATL 5

Joe Jurevicius CLE 6

Randy Moss OAK 3

WR: Drew Bennett TEN 7

Marty Booker MIA 8

Reggie Brown PHI 9

Braylon Edwards CLE 6

Robert Ferguson GB 6

Eddie Kennison KC 3

Charles Rogers --- 0

WR: Mark Clayton BAL 7

Chris Henry CIN 5

Darrell Jackson SEA 5

Ashley Lelie ATL 5

Hines Ward PIT 4