Vick's influence on McNabb draft position (1 Viewer)

[gagull]

It may be a little early, but what if any impact is Vick having on McNabb's draft position?

I'm hoping people will be scared off and be able to draft him a round or 2 later.

Any info. / thoughts?

 

[two_dollars]

I wouldn't count on it. Most knowledgable people know that McNabb is the QB of Philadelphia. Vick is 2 years removed from the NFL, not in football shape, doesn't know the playbook, and most importantly isn't as good as McNabb to begin with. there is no threat for Vick to take over and it won't hurt McNabb to the point of dropping him 2 rounds.

 

[moderated]

I wouldn't count on it. Most knowledgable people know that McNabb is the QB of Philadelphia. Vick is 2 years removed from the NFL, not in football shape, doesn't know the playbook, and most importantly isn't as good as McNabb to begin with. there is no threat for Vick to take over and it won't hurt McNabb to the point of dropping him 2 rounds.

You put Vick on some of those Phili teams and he's got more then one finger covered in SB bling.

 

[two_dollars]

I wouldn't count on it. Most knowledgable people know that McNabb is the QB of Philadelphia. Vick is 2 years removed from the NFL, not in football shape, doesn't know the playbook, and most importantly isn't as good as McNabb to begin with. there is no threat for Vick to take over and it won't hurt McNabb to the point of dropping him 2 rounds.

You put Vick on some of those Phili teams and he's got more then one finger covered in SB bling.

Not a chance. Don't kid yourself.

 

[moderated]

I wouldn't count on it. Most knowledgable people know that McNabb is the QB of Philadelphia. Vick is 2 years removed from the NFL, not in football shape, doesn't know the playbook, and most importantly isn't as good as McNabb to begin with. there is no threat for Vick to take over and it won't hurt McNabb to the point of dropping him 2 rounds.

You put Vick on some of those Phili teams and he's got more then one finger covered in SB bling.

Not a chance. Don't kid yourself.

Your allowed an opinion, but Vick took a horrendous Atlanta team to the NFC championship. If he was on Phili's team that year he's got a Superbowl ring.

 

[two_dollars]

Even Phili isn't dumb enough to make this a QB competition, so the point is moot. Vick doesn't effect McNabb this year. Vick is a gimmick.

 

[southeastjerome]

Good thread. I can't wait until the first 2 INT game from McNabb, "the Link" will be clamoring for Vick.

 

[captbly]

McNabb is always getting hammered by the fans. Maybe Philly did it to keep the fans off of McNabb and give them something else to ##### about?

 

[urbanhack]

None.

 

[baconisgood]

I think it actually bumps up Mcnabb a little bit. One of my concerns is McNabbs inability to stay healthy and Vick has always been a valuable fantasy player. The ability to pick up a starter of Vicks FF scoring ability if McNabb goes down makes him a little safer of a pick imo.

 

[Aaronl5]

zero. McNabb = great qb Vick Average to below average. Don't even think Vick would be #2 qb on the team. He will do other stuff.

 

[travdogg]

McNabb is always getting hammered by the fans. Maybe Philly did it to keep the fans off of McNabb and give them something else to ##### about?

That's an interesting theory.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

I wouldn't count on it. Most knowledgable people know that McNabb is the QB of Philadelphia. Vick is 2 years removed from the NFL, not in football shape, doesn't know the playbook, and most importantly isn't as good as McNabb to begin with. there is no threat for Vick to take over and it won't hurt McNabb to the point of dropping him 2 rounds.

You put Vick on some of those Phili teams and he's got more then one finger covered in SB bling.

 

[Keith R]

He went at 3.06 in my draft Sat. If anything, it may be bumping his perceived value up (I personally am not buying THAT, but some must).

 

[burd]

well, Vick isn't going to surpass McNabb on the QB depth chart. Vick may throw a couple of passes in the Wildcat but for the most part, Vick gives McNabb another target. I think this improves McNabb's draft status as well as Westbrook

 

[Jewell]

I wouldn't count on it. Most knowledgable people know that McNabb is the QB of Philadelphia. Vick is 2 years removed from the NFL, not in football shape, doesn't know the playbook, and most importantly isn't as good as McNabb to begin with. there is no threat for Vick to take over and it won't hurt McNabb to the point of dropping him 2 rounds.

I couldn't agree more with this posting. I never understood why McNabb is so maligned and so underappreciated. Other than his injury issues, McNabb's very good when he takes the field. He keeps plays alive as well as any starting QB not named Roethlisberger, he keeps interceptions down, and he's been in five Conference Championship games in ten seasons. I've seen someone here suggest that Vick would have converted more of those Championship game appearances to Superbowl wins, but I don't believe it. It's possible -- just not likely.

In Vick's interview with James Brown he admits that he didn't work very hard before. He said that he was, "the last one in the facilty in the morning, and the first one to leave in the evening." That's not a recipe for Superbowl success, no matter how physically gifted you may be.

To answer the thread question, though -- Vick's appearance does nothing to affect McNabb's draft position.

 

[Zoomanji]

Zero

and keep in mind that he is suspended for at least 6 games.

 

[TommyGilmore]

I think Vick's presence makes McNabb more valuable. I had McNabb as the #9 QB before Vick signed, and now I've got him at #6.

Why? Because in the past I always took McNabb's injury risk into consideration -- if McNabb only plays 12 games (his average over the past 4 seasons), I knew I could not count on his backup to start in his absence. But now I can grab McNabb early and Vick late and feel pretty secure that I'm going to get top-5 points out of Philly's QB no matter who starts.

 

[baconisgood]

Zeroand keep in mind that he is suspended for at least 6 games.

I believe the suspension is for at MOST 6 games, not at least. The commish has said he will decide to allow Vick back in by week six, so any time before that is acceptable.

 

[Jewell]

I think Vick's presence makes McNabb more valuable. I had McNabb as the #9 QB before Vick signed, and now I've got him at #6.Why? Because in the past I always took McNabb's injury risk into consideration -- if McNabb only plays 12 games (his average over the past 4 seasons), I knew I could not count on his backup to start in his absence. But now I can grab McNabb early and Vick late and feel pretty secure that I'm going to get top-5 points out of Philly's QB no matter who starts.

And what if McNabb goes down early and Vick is either still suspended or is nowhere ready to start in terms of knowing the playbook? You might want to work on that strategy.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

It's hard for me to figure how Vick doesn't hurt McNabb in FF. If Vick takes 6 snaps a game in a wildcat type role, that's 10% fewer snaps for McNabb.

 

[dirty_martini]

I think Vick's presence makes McNabb more valuable. I had McNabb as the #9 QB before Vick signed, and now I've got him at #6.

Why? Because in the past I always took McNabb's injury risk into consideration -- if McNabb only plays 12 games (his average over the past 4 seasons), I knew I could not count on his backup to start in his absence. But now I can grab McNabb early and Vick late and feel pretty secure that I'm going to get top-5 points out of Philly's QB no matter who starts.

Why not McNabb into the top 5?

 

[travdogg]

It's hard for me to figure how Vick doesn't hurt McNabb in FF. If Vick takes 6 snaps a game in a wildcat type role, that's 10% fewer snaps for McNabb.

I'd be surprised if Vick took 6 snaps per game.DeSean Jackson took about a dozen snaps last year. I'd put Vick's over/under at 25 snaps at QB for the year. Or around 2 per game. On the field wise, this Vick signing is being overblown. He'll be practically irrelevant unless McNabb gets hurt, which isn't anywhere near the sure thing some believe. Its no coincidence that McNabb's decline in rushing numbers has led to an increase in durability. He's started 33 of his last 35 games.

 

[TommyGilmore]

I think Vick's presence makes McNabb more valuable. I had McNabb as the #9 QB before Vick signed, and now I've got him at #6.Why? Because in the past I always took McNabb's injury risk into consideration -- if McNabb only plays 12 games (his average over the past 4 seasons), I knew I could not count on his backup to start in his absence. But now I can grab McNabb early and Vick late and feel pretty secure that I'm going to get top-5 points out of Philly's QB no matter who starts.

And what if McNabb goes down early and Vick is either still suspended or is nowhere ready to start in terms of knowing the playbook? You might want to work on that strategy.

Vick is conditionally suspended until Week 6, which amounts to 4 games (Philly has a BYE in Week 4). It's certainly possible that Vick wouldn't be ready if McNabb got injured early, but I factored that risk into my evaluation. It's also possible that Vick doesn't even make the final cut.Either way, I think McNabb has more value with Vick as his handcuff than Feely or Kolb.

 

[burd]

not to hijack the topic, but should fantasy websites take into account Vick's ability to play multiple positions? I know some sites like Yahoo have certain players listed as WR/TE because of their versatility. Shouldn't Vick also have this versatility? Maybe, QB/RB/WR. It sounds like he's rarely going lineup under center and rather lineup as a RB or WR.

 

[TommyGilmore]

not to hijack the topic, but should fantasy websites take into account Vick's ability to play multiple positions? I know some sites like Yahoo have certain players listed as WR/TE because of their versatility. Shouldn't Vick also have this versatility? Maybe, QB/RB/WR. It sounds like he's rarely going lineup under center and rather lineup as a RB or WR.

Where did you hear that? So far Vick has only lined up at quarterback, and Andy Reid didn't say anything about having Vick line up at another position. McNabb did mention the possibility of having Vick and himself on the field at the same time, but that doesn't necessarily mean that Vick would be the one at RB/WR.Vick never lined up at RB or WR while with Atlanta.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I think it actually bumps up Mcnabb a little bit. One of my concerns is McNabbs inability to stay healthy and Vick has always been a valuable fantasy player. The ability to pick up a starter of Vicks FF scoring ability if McNabb goes down makes him a little safer of a pick imo.

This makes no sense, Bacon. So I'm to think Mcnabb is a safer pick and bump him up because of Vicks back up ability which at this point we know nothing?I think it does absolutely nothing to McNabb's draft position. He's the QB unless he gets hurt or call 1 or 2 plays in a game where they do a Wildcat.I see Philly trying to show Vick what it takes to be the backup in Philly, let him learn it in case McNabb goes down and then as the seasons goes on, they start to focus in on implementing Vick and their version of the Wildcat.

 

[burd]

not to hijack the topic, but should fantasy websites take into account Vick's ability to play multiple positions? I know some sites like Yahoo have certain players listed as WR/TE because of their versatility. Shouldn't Vick also have this versatility? Maybe, QB/RB/WR. It sounds like he's rarely going lineup under center and rather lineup as a RB or WR.

Where did you hear that? So far Vick has only lined up at quarterback, and Andy Reid didn't say anything about having Vick line up at another position. McNabb did mention the possibility of having Vick and himself on the field at the same time, but that doesn't necessarily mean that Vick would be the one at RB/WR.Vick never lined up at RB or WR while with Atlanta.

Ofcourse Vick never lined up at RB or WR while in Atlanta ... he was the starting QB. Now he's an x-factor type of game changer, but NOT the starting QB. You think they're going to bench McNabb many times a game to give Vick QB reps? Maybe, but i doubt it. I also doubt that defenses are going to be fooled into fearing McNabb as a legit RB or WR threat. I'd expect the Eagles to use an INJURY PRONE McNabb as more of a decoy under these circumstances. What does seem logical is for McNabb to lineup under center w/ Vick as a RB or WR. This would give the Eagles 2 legit QBs plus Vick as a legit threat to rush out of the backfield or catch a pass up the middle. Obviously we're all speculating here but I don't think the Eagles want to take McNabb out of the game too often and I don't think they'd put him in harms way as a RB or WR. That leaves Vick more often than not, lining up as a RB or WR.

 

[baconisgood]

Vicks back up ability which at this point we know nothing?

We don't know nothing about Vick, this is ridiculous. Hes finished as the #2, #3 and #6 QB in his career, as a running QB he is involved in such a massively high % of his teams plays that he is bound to put up points. Is he a lock to repeat and be extremely effective? No. But his potential- and average production- in my mind is multiple steps ahead of Kolb's projection should McNabb go out for an extended period. Its a small bump to be sure, but if it goes in any direction for me Mcnabbs stock goes up.

 

[TommyGilmore]

not to hijack the topic, but should fantasy websites take into account Vick's ability to play multiple positions? I know some sites like Yahoo have certain players listed as WR/TE because of their versatility. Shouldn't Vick also have this versatility? Maybe, QB/RB/WR. It sounds like he's rarely going lineup under center and rather lineup as a RB or WR.

Where did you hear that? So far Vick has only lined up at quarterback, and Andy Reid didn't say anything about having Vick line up at another position. McNabb did mention the possibility of having Vick and himself on the field at the same time, but that doesn't necessarily mean that Vick would be the one at RB/WR.Vick never lined up at RB or WR while with Atlanta.

Ofcourse Vick never lined up at RB or WR while in Atlanta ... he was the starting QB. Now he's an x-factor type of game changer, but NOT the starting QB. You think they're going to bench McNabb many times a game to give Vick QB reps? Maybe, but i doubt it. I also doubt that defenses are going to be fooled into fearing McNabb as a legit RB or WR threat. I'd expect the Eagles to use an INJURY PRONE McNabb as more of a decoy under these circumstances. What does seem logical is for McNabb to lineup under center w/ Vick as a RB or WR. This would give the Eagles 2 legit QBs plus Vick as a legit threat to rush out of the backfield or catch a pass up the middle. Obviously we're all speculating here but I don't think the Eagles want to take McNabb out of the game too often and I don't think they'd put him in harms way as a RB or WR. That leaves Vick more often than not, lining up as a RB or WR.

I was just asking where you heard that "It sounds like he's rarely going [to] lineup under center and rather lineup as a RB or WR".I'd also like to know what you mean by Vick's "ability to play multiple positions". I've never seen or heard of this ability before.

 

[Rod]

not to hijack the topic, but should fantasy websites take into account Vick's ability to play multiple positions? I know some sites like Yahoo have certain players listed as WR/TE because of their versatility. Shouldn't Vick also have this versatility? Maybe, QB/RB/WR. It sounds like he's rarely going lineup under center and rather lineup as a RB or WR.

Where did you hear that? So far Vick has only lined up at quarterback, and Andy Reid didn't say anything about having Vick line up at another position. McNabb did mention the possibility of having Vick and himself on the field at the same time, but that doesn't necessarily mean that Vick would be the one at RB/WR.Vick never lined up at RB or WR while with Atlanta.

Ofcourse Vick never lined up at RB or WR while in Atlanta ... he was the starting QB. Now he's an x-factor type of game changer, but NOT the starting QB. You think they're going to bench McNabb many times a game to give Vick QB reps? Maybe, but i doubt it. I also doubt that defenses are going to be fooled into fearing McNabb as a legit RB or WR threat. I'd expect the Eagles to use an INJURY PRONE McNabb as more of a decoy under these circumstances. What does seem logical is for McNabb to lineup under center w/ Vick as a RB or WR. This would give the Eagles 2 legit QBs plus Vick as a legit threat to rush out of the backfield or catch a pass up the middle. Obviously we're all speculating here but I don't think the Eagles want to take McNabb out of the game too often and I don't think they'd put him in harms way as a RB or WR. That leaves Vick more often than not, lining up as a RB or WR.

I was just asking where you heard that "It sounds like he's rarely going [to] lineup under center and rather lineup as a RB or WR".I'd also like to know what you mean by Vick's "ability to play multiple positions". I've never seen or heard of this ability before.

Our league is very excited/nervous about this situation. We use the Team QB concept. With Vick potentially receiving passes from McNabb the possibility of double points for the QB position is there. On top of that, bonus points are awarded for TDs over 40 yards. Several owners are talking about taking Philly QB very early in the draft. With our scoring system, McNabb/Vick could potentially be the number one QB in the league.

 

[Raider Nation]

For those who have had a draft in the past few days...

Where is VICK getting drafted (if at all)?