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As long as Eli never even breathes in Nicks direction. Eli never even looks at Nicks, I put the credit on how pathetic a defense has to be to not take out the only effective weapon on this team. I understand the Giants are losing, but maybe thats because all he is doing is looking at Cruz. Eli is one of the worst QBs in the league, he eyes down Cruz and yet they still cant stop Cruz.
Eli's not great, but he's not one of the worst QBs in the league. He has one of the worst O-lines in the league and they just can't protect him.
Eli has 9 picks and 11 turnovers, his line is bad, but he is throwing the ball and in charge of protecting it. After all, he is a Championship caliber QB right, he should not be turning it over at this rate.
You sound like an angry Nicks owner who's hasn't actually watched many Giants games, and always rely on stat sheets to tell the story. Interceptions always look worse on paper for a QB. But when Eli has about 1 second to throw the ball on every snap, and absolutely no threat of a run game, Drew Brees wouldn't fare much better in this offense.
And you sound like a crazed Giants fan defending Eli.
Yeah... you're right, clearly. I guess we should ignore the fact that Drew Brees from Week 11-13 totaled 962 yards, 4 TDs and 9 INTs... or would that be unfair because we can NEVER compare Drew Brees to a 2 time Super Bowl Champion because that'd be ridiculous.
Yes people like me who disagree with you and back it up with stats are what ruin this board and not people who fail to see the truth.
I'm not bashing stats so much as throwing useless specific stats back in your face. Looking at Eli's first four games of this season and assuming he'll remain:
No they're not useless facts, but cherry picking a small stint of games out of his stats to say he's a "teflon" QB is ridiculous. I tried to prove this to you by showing you the stats of Drew Brees 3 game stint last season that had him on pace for 5130 yards, 21.3 TDs and 48 Interceptions... which is funny considering Eli is at this moment "on pace for" 4592 yards, 24 TDs and 36 interceptions. But obviously you want to ignore the fact that you're judging Eli on a small sample size and just assume that Drew Brees is above being judges across a similar sample size. People have slumps it's what they do... but you clearly don't watch or haven't watched a single Giants game this season. Or you'd understand that very few of the issues on the team are related in any way to Eli.
So you are circling the wagon, do stats matter or don't they? You keep quoting Drew Brees stats who is clearly a better QB from all the records he holds to Eli. I'm laughing as you grasp for straws desperately.
You're a special kind of poster... tell me some other 2 time Super Bowl winning QBs that suck. To help you, here's some tips:
A lot of journeyman QBs have won a single Super Bowl... but the list of those who won two or more is small and they're ALL Hall of Fame QBs.
Again, everyone knows you love Eli. As I said now for the third time, nothing you say post or do will convince me he is good in any way shape or form. I think he is the worst QB in the league bar none, see how nothing you said changed that. Feel free to try some more though.
Worst fishing trip ever. I dislike Eli as much as the next guy and think he's completely overrated but come on.
Do you own Nicks in any leagues? Just curious because you seem to be blaming Eli entirely when the fault may lie with Nicks.
Own Nicks in two of my 13 leagues, just like I have Eli as a back up in 2. Point? I have almost every players in all my leagues in some fashion.
Same reason people feel the need to come in threads and randomly post troll like comments in an attempt to be the next stand up comedian.
The point is that you are blaming Eli for Nicks sucking when it is just as possible that Nicks is sucking all by himself. Although the truth lies somewhere in between, something you also do not seem to be willing to acknowledge. And you have entirely dismissed the fact that Manning's o-line has been one of the worst in the league (14 sacks, if you check the list of most sacked QBs you are going to find a lot of turnovers among them) and the running game is virtually non-existent. There is also the fact that the Giants went all-in on David Wilson and that appears to have been a terrible mistake. When your best running back cannot be relied on in passing or short yardage situations it makes your offense much more predictable (Da'rel Scot in the game? It's a pass. David Wilson in the game? It's a run).
The problem wasn't the fact that you shared an opinion it is that your opinion came off as an ill-considered statement presented as an absolute fact. One you have been trying to defend by becoming further entrenched and entirely dismissive of alternate viewpoints. Taking a martyrs stance when people challenge you on your opinion doesn't help much either.
LOL. Evidenced by what? Seriously, it is not in the results. The Giants opponents have had the players to contain Cruz but they aren't. Great players make great plays. I ;m not saying he gets shutout or anything but when you watch the games and you see a lack of over the top help or bracket help in the slot, then you can see clearly that teams are not putting their resources into stopping cruz. They are still playing the outside deep game vs. Nicks and the last two weeks they are putting pressure on the o-line, bringing more blitzers.
You're absolutely right that whatever they are doing isn't working but that doesn't mean that they aren't game planning for Cruz. I assure you that defensive coordinators know that he is Manning's go to guy but clearly his rapport with Manning is strong enough that they can beat most defenses regardless of the game plan. Opposing teams could also be daring the Giants to try and beat them with just Manning to Cruz, and to date that strategy is working for the opposing teams.
With assuming that his receivers never ran the wrong routes and always giving them the benefit of the doubt over him? I come to the following count:
I don't see any reason to think he'll stop producing them. But there will be games that aren't as good from a fantasy standpoint because he doesn't get the long TD. Just look at week 3 against Carolina: 3 catches for 25 yards. Just like other WRs, Victor will have his ups and downs.
I always assumed it was a typo'd penixSquintz82 said:
Ok mediator and why is he a troll stating the facts... To many moody overanalyzing, liking to argue fools in these forums..... Their are a few good ff sharks and I appreciate their wisdom,advice,etc but people who come in here to argue, bicker, and talk BS is nonsense and needs to stop. This site should be for informative analysis, discussion on the TOPIC at hand which is CRUZ and his long tds...... TO MUCH BS that's why im not a subscriber anymore!....Phenix said:
